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: '''MisterShafXen:''' Very bland, not worth using. | : '''MisterShafXen:''' Very bland, not worth using. | ||
: '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Lends itself to meditative, minimalist music: music where rhythm and timbre are the source of most of the interest, while melody and harmony are repetitive and change by small increments, forcing the listener to pay close attention to the most subtle changes. | : '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Lends itself to meditative, minimalist music: music where rhythm and timbre are the source of most of the interest, while melody and harmony are repetitive and change by small increments, forcing the listener to pay close attention to the most subtle changes. | ||
: '''Zhenlige:''' Equivalent to [[2-limit]] JI (unless you want to temper some higher-rank JI subgroups into octaves, which I think nobody will do). Not much about harmony. Possibly useful for a transition between different tunings. | |||
== [[2edo]] == | == [[2edo]] == | ||
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: '''MisterShafXen:''' Nowhere near enough notes. | : '''MisterShafXen:''' Nowhere near enough notes. | ||
: '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Lends itself to meditative, minimalist music: music where rhythm and timbre are the source of most of the interest, while melody and harmony are repetitive and change by small increments, forcing the listener to pay close attention to the most subtle changes. | : '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Lends itself to meditative, minimalist music: music where rhythm and timbre are the source of most of the interest, while melody and harmony are repetitive and change by small increments, forcing the listener to pay close attention to the most subtle changes. | ||
: '''Zhenlige:''' Half octaves aka symmetric tritones. The key to tritone substitution, although sometimes asymmetric tritones or even non-tritone intervals can also be used. | |||
== [[3edo]] == | == [[3edo]] == | ||
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: '''Glitchydarkness:''' You can make chords with this one! I'll name a few: Augmented ... ...Augmented... Yeah you can't really do much, but it's neat! It's still the first EDO to actually have chords, and it's better than whatever 2edo was! | : '''Glitchydarkness:''' You can make chords with this one! I'll name a few: Augmented ... ...Augmented... Yeah you can't really do much, but it's neat! It's still the first EDO to actually have chords, and it's better than whatever 2edo was! | ||
: '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Lends itself to meditative, minimalist music: music where rhythm and timbre are the source of most of the interest, while melody and harmony are repetitive and change by small increments, forcing the listener to pay close attention to the most subtle changes. | : '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Lends itself to meditative, minimalist music: music where rhythm and timbre are the source of most of the interest, while melody and harmony are repetitive and change by small increments, forcing the listener to pay close attention to the most subtle changes. | ||
: '''Zhenlige:''' 12edo augmented chords. Treating its steps as [[63/50]] gives [[landscape]]. 3n-edos within 1000 that do not support landscape are probably bad in 7-limit. | |||
== [[4edo]] == | == [[4edo]] == | ||
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: '''Glitchydarkness:''' Has some good melodic movement for its size, and can play the diminished chord! Who cares if it's contained within 12edo, you could name any EDO and it's contained in another higher one too, it's a property of numbers! | : '''Glitchydarkness:''' Has some good melodic movement for its size, and can play the diminished chord! Who cares if it's contained within 12edo, you could name any EDO and it's contained in another higher one too, it's a property of numbers! | ||
: '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Lends itself to meditative, minimalist music: music where rhythm and timbre are the source of most of the interest, while melody and harmony are repetitive and change by small increments, forcing the listener to pay close attention to the most subtle changes. | : '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Lends itself to meditative, minimalist music: music where rhythm and timbre are the source of most of the interest, while melody and harmony are repetitive and change by small increments, forcing the listener to pay close attention to the most subtle changes. | ||
: '''Zhenlige:''' 12edo diminished seventh chords. | |||
== [[5edo]] == | == [[5edo]] == | ||
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: '''Vector:''' This is the best 2.3.7 edo by far for its size. Other than that, it's equipentatonic, and so you get the first hint of [[diatonic]]-style melody in this edo. It's a subset of 15edo. | : '''Vector:''' This is the best 2.3.7 edo by far for its size. Other than that, it's equipentatonic, and so you get the first hint of [[diatonic]]-style melody in this edo. It's a subset of 15edo. | ||
: '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Lends itself to meditative, minimalist music: music where rhythm and timbre are the source of most of the interest, while melody and harmony are repetitive and change by small increments, forcing the listener to pay close attention to the most subtle changes. | : '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Lends itself to meditative, minimalist music: music where rhythm and timbre are the source of most of the interest, while melody and harmony are repetitive and change by small increments, forcing the listener to pay close attention to the most subtle changes. | ||
: '''Zhenlige:''' Equalized [[2L 3s|pentatonic]] scale. 3-limit [[blackwood]]. Kinda familiar but everything is warped. To me as a Chinese, it sounds like out-of-tone traditional Chinese music. The smallest EDO containing an interval that roughly resembles [[3/2]]. Not very noticeable harmonically. | |||
== [[6edo]] == | == [[6edo]] == | ||
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: '''MisterShafXen:''' Augmented in whole tones. So much missing. | : '''MisterShafXen:''' Augmented in whole tones. So much missing. | ||
: '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Lends itself to meditative, minimalist music: music where rhythm and timbre are the source of most of the interest, while melody and harmony are repetitive and change by small increments, forcing the listener to pay close attention to the most subtle changes. | : '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Lends itself to meditative, minimalist music: music where rhythm and timbre are the source of most of the interest, while melody and harmony are repetitive and change by small increments, forcing the listener to pay close attention to the most subtle changes. | ||
: '''Zhenlige:''' Incomplete [[12edo]]. Also a heavily stretched [[didacus]] chain. | |||
== [[7edo]] == | == [[7edo]] == | ||
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: '''Vector:''' This... could honestly fit in as a diatonic tuning. It's the first kind of tuning where we have functional harmony, although all the chords are neutral. | : '''Vector:''' This... could honestly fit in as a diatonic tuning. It's the first kind of tuning where we have functional harmony, although all the chords are neutral. | ||
: '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Offers exciting melodic shapes, but requires careful attention to [[timbre]] to prevent it sounding "out of tune". | : '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Offers exciting melodic shapes, but requires careful attention to [[timbre]] to prevent it sounding "out of tune". | ||
: '''Zhenlige:''' Equalized [[5L 2s|diatonic]] scale. 3-limit [[whitewood]]. Similar to 5edo. It sounds like out-of-tone [[3L 4s|neutral scale]] music. The smallest EDO that roughly represents [[5-limit]]. | |||
== [[8edo]] == | == [[8edo]] == | ||
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: '''Fumica:''' The first nontrivial nondiatonic edo. Since neither the fifth nor the major second passes as consonance, quintal harmony isn't available, not to mention tertian harmony. From here the more complex ratios it approximates on paper generally lack the context to make them ring, so with the very sparse harmonic resource, it forces an approach that focuses on rhythm, texture – anything but harmony. Of course, some resource is there if you try hard enough, but suspending the idea of treating it as more than two diminished chords will spare you a demoralizing fight. Ultimately, I just believe music that sounds good in it sounds good despite it, not because of it; this isn't different from any of the previous edos. | : '''Fumica:''' The first nontrivial nondiatonic edo. Since neither the fifth nor the major second passes as consonance, quintal harmony isn't available, not to mention tertian harmony. From here the more complex ratios it approximates on paper generally lack the context to make them ring, so with the very sparse harmonic resource, it forces an approach that focuses on rhythm, texture – anything but harmony. Of course, some resource is there if you try hard enough, but suspending the idea of treating it as more than two diminished chords will spare you a demoralizing fight. Ultimately, I just believe music that sounds good in it sounds good despite it, not because of it; this isn't different from any of the previous edos. | ||
: '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Offers exciting melodic shapes, but requires careful attention to [[timbre]] to prevent it sounding "out of tune". | : '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Offers exciting melodic shapes, but requires careful attention to [[timbre]] to prevent it sounding "out of tune". | ||
: '''Zhenlige:''' Incomplete [[24edo]]. | |||
== [[9edo]] == | == [[9edo]] == | ||
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: '''Vector:''' Our first [[mavila]] edo! I'm not a huge fan of this tuning, because of all the enharmonic notes it gives in mavila. It's the first time we have a distinction between normal major and minor chords, though. | : '''Vector:''' Our first [[mavila]] edo! I'm not a huge fan of this tuning, because of all the enharmonic notes it gives in mavila. It's the first time we have a distinction between normal major and minor chords, though. | ||
: '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Offers exciting melodic shapes, but requires careful attention to timbre to prevent it sounding "out of tune". | : '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Offers exciting melodic shapes, but requires careful attention to timbre to prevent it sounding "out of tune". | ||
: '''Zhenlige:''' A subset of [[ennealimmal]]. | |||
== [[10edo]] == | == [[10edo]] == | ||
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: '''Vector''': This EDO is a decent [[7-limit|2.3.5.7]] system, somehow, despite only having [[neutral]] thirds. It tunes its fifth exactly sharp enough that the neutral third just peeks into the [[major third]] range, and as [[5/4]] is on the flatter end of major thirds, it's just enough to latch on. | : '''Vector''': This EDO is a decent [[7-limit|2.3.5.7]] system, somehow, despite only having [[neutral]] thirds. It tunes its fifth exactly sharp enough that the neutral third just peeks into the [[major third]] range, and as [[5/4]] is on the flatter end of major thirds, it's just enough to latch on. | ||
: '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Offers exciting melodic shapes, but requires careful attention to [[timbre]] to prevent it sounding "out of tune". | : '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Offers exciting melodic shapes, but requires careful attention to [[timbre]] to prevent it sounding "out of tune". | ||
: '''Zhenlige:''' A stack of [[13/8]]. A subset of [[130edo]] and [[270edo]]. | |||
== [[11edo]] == | == [[11edo]] == | ||
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: '''Fumica:''' Every other step of 22edo. It hits [[harmonic]]s 7, 9, 11, and 15, and that's quite something. The 9 allows a form of quintal harmony. The 15 has good voice-leading utility. Of course, those properties are but implications of it being next to 10- and 12edo, both of which have those and can do much more. It just happens they're enough to make 11edo my favorite strictly nondiatonic edo. B-tier. | : '''Fumica:''' Every other step of 22edo. It hits [[harmonic]]s 7, 9, 11, and 15, and that's quite something. The 9 allows a form of quintal harmony. The 15 has good voice-leading utility. Of course, those properties are but implications of it being next to 10- and 12edo, both of which have those and can do much more. It just happens they're enough to make 11edo my favorite strictly nondiatonic edo. B-tier. | ||
: '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Offers exciting melodic shapes, but requires careful attention to [[timbre]] to prevent it sounding "out of tune". | : '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' Offers exciting melodic shapes, but requires careful attention to [[timbre]] to prevent it sounding "out of tune". | ||
: '''Zhenlige:''' Incomplete [[22edo]]. | |||
== [[12edo]] == | == [[12edo]] == | ||
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: '''Vector:''' The tuning I write most of my music in. It's good enough for writing the kind of music I want to write, as long as that kind of music isn't "[[xenharmonic]]". 12edo theory is my inspiration for my [[15edo]] theory system, and my general approach to [[xenharmonic|xenharmony]]. (It also brought with it a fair share of misconceptions: for a while, I assumed "sharp" just meant "1 edostep", and after I was corrected wtih [[17edo]] I assumed it meant "between whatever intervals are (true) minor and major".) | : '''Vector:''' The tuning I write most of my music in. It's good enough for writing the kind of music I want to write, as long as that kind of music isn't "[[xenharmonic]]". 12edo theory is my inspiration for my [[15edo]] theory system, and my general approach to [[xenharmonic|xenharmony]]. (It also brought with it a fair share of misconceptions: for a while, I assumed "sharp" just meant "1 edostep", and after I was corrected wtih [[17edo]] I assumed it meant "between whatever intervals are (true) minor and major".) | ||
: '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' An excellent [[5-limit]] tuning. It is simple and stays out of the composer's way for two reasons: it works with an impressively wide variety of timbres, and it avoids [[wolf interval]]s better than any larger tuning. I believe this elegant simplicity is the reason for its popularity. | : '''Budjarn Lambeth:''' An excellent [[5-limit]] tuning. It is simple and stays out of the composer's way for two reasons: it works with an impressively wide variety of timbres, and it avoids [[wolf interval]]s better than any larger tuning. I believe this elegant simplicity is the reason for its popularity. | ||
: '''Zhenlige:''' Equalized [[chromatic]] scale. Both [[augmented]] and [[diminished]]. The only reasonable tuning for [[dominant (temperament)|dominant]]. The boundary between [[meantone]] and [[schismatic]]. The smallest [[5L 2s|diatonic]] EDO. It deserves its position. A good tuning for almost all types of music, tho sometimes not perfect. Very excellent [[3/1|3]] as well as prime [[17/1|17]] and [[19/1|19]] for its size, but inaccurate [[5/1|5]] and worse [[7/1|7]]. Suitable for symmetric scales. Easy to make [[User:Zhenlige/12neji|accurate NEJIs]]. Its 2.3.17.19 subgroup really deserves more exploration (something “xenharmonic” but not “microtonal”). Its thirds do not accurately approximate common JI intervals, but you can make a [[well temperament]] to make some of them do. | |||
== [[13edo]] == | == [[13edo]] == | ||