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Subgroup: 3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 3.5.7.11.13 | ||
Comma list: 245/243, 275/273, | Comma list: 245/243, 275/273, 1331/1323 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 5 0 1 10 | 0 -6 3 2 -13 }} | {{Mapping|legend=2| 1 5 0 1 10 | 0 -6 3 2 -13 }} | ||
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{{Main| Dubhe }} | {{Main| Dubhe }} | ||
This temperament is a simple 3.5.7.17 weak extension of BPS that splits the generator of 9/7 into two intervals of [[17/15]]. The name was suggested by [[MidnightBlue]] after Dubhe, a bright double star (the ninth brightest) and similarities to the word ''double''. | This temperament is a simple 3.5.7.17 weak extension of BPS that splits the generator of 9/7 into two intervals of [[17/15]], tempering out [[2025/2023]]. The name was suggested by [[MidnightBlue]] after Dubhe, a bright double star (the ninth brightest) and similarities to the word ''double''. | ||
Subgroup: 3.5.7.17 | Subgroup: 3.5.7.17 | ||
Comma list: 245/243, | Comma list: 245/243, 875/867 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 1 2 2 | 0 4 -2 5 }} | {{Mapping|legend=2| 1 1 2 2 | 0 4 -2 5 }} | ||
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Badness (Sintel): 0.177 | Badness (Sintel): 0.177 | ||
== | == Sirius == | ||
{{Main| | {{Main| Sirius }} | ||
This tempers out the [[Don Page comma]] between [[5/3]] and [[7/5]], allowing an accurate representation of the 3:5:7 chord, similar to the 5:7:9 in [[#Procyon|procyon]]. | |||
For extensions to this temperament that include | For an overview of extensions to this temperament that include prime 2, see [[Gariboh clan #Overview to extensions]]. | ||
[[Subgroup]]: 3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 3.5.7 | ||
[[Comma list]]: | [[Comma list]]: 3125/3087 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 | {{Mapping|legend=3| 1 1 1 | 0 3 5 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~3, ~ | : mapping generators: ~3, ~25/21 | ||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~3 = | * [[WE]]: ~3 = 1902.4455{{c}}, ~25/21 = 293.7393{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| + | : [[error map]]: {{val| +0.490 -2.650 +2.316 }} | ||
* [[CWE]]: ~3 = 1901.9550{{c}}, ~ | * [[CWE]]: ~3 = 1901.9550{{c}}, ~25/21 = 293.7594{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 - | : error map: {{val| 0.000 -3.080 +1.926 }} | ||
[[Optimal ET sequence]]: [[6edt|b6]], [[7edt|b7]], [[13edt|b13]], [[71edt|b71]], [[84edt|b84]], [[97edt|b97]], [[110edt|b110]], [[123edt|b123]], [[136edt|b136]] | |||
[[ | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.213 | ||
[[ | === Mizar === | ||
Mizar exploits the sirius tuning of the 25/21 generator being close to [[13/11]] (in order to split 7/5 evenly); additionally this tempers out [[459/455]], equating [[17/13]] to [[35/27]]. | |||
The mapping for prime 17 is similar to what [[dubhe]] does: tempering out [[2025/2023]] to split the 7-limit generator in half; in this case, 25/7 is split into two intervals of [[17/9]], which turns out to occupy the position of a [[macrodiatonic]] fifth, specifically a macro-[[flattone]] fifth. | |||
Subgroup: 3.5.7.11 | Subgroup: 3.5.7.11 | ||
Comma list: | Comma list: 3125/3087, 295245/290521 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=2| | {{Mapping|legend=2| 1 -2 -4 12 | 0 6 10 -17 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~ | : mapping generators: ~3, ~729/385 | ||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~ | * WE: ~3 = 1901.0672{{c}}, ~729/385 = 1097.6627{{c}} | ||
* CWE: ~ | * CWE: ~3 = 1901.9550{{c}}, ~729/385 = 1098.1722{{c}} | ||
Optimal ET sequence: [[ | Optimal ET sequence: [[19edt|b19]], [[26edt|b26]], [[45edt|b45]], [[71edt|b71]], [[168edt|b168]] | ||
Badness (Sintel): | Badness (Sintel): 1.82 | ||
==== 3.5.7.11.13 subgroup ==== | ==== 3.5.7.11.13 subgroup ==== | ||
Subgroup: 3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 3.5.7.11.13 | ||
Comma list: | Comma list: 275/273, 847/845, 59049/57967 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 -2 -4 12 11 | 0 6 10 -17 -15 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~3 = 1900.6176{{c}}, ~729/385 = 1097.5046{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~3 = 1901.9550{{c}}, ~729/385 = 1098.2837{{c}} | |||
Optimal ET sequence: [[19edt|b19]], [[26edt|b26]], [[45edt|b45]], [[71edt|b71]] | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.12 | |||
==== 3.5.7.11.13.17 subgroup ==== | |||
Subgroup: 3.5.7.11.13.17 | |||
Comma list: 275/273, 459/455, 847/845, 2025/2023 | |||
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 -2 -4 12 11 2 | 0 6 10 -17 -15 1 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~3 = 1901.0269{{c}}, ~17/9 = 1097.7583{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~3 = 1901.9550{{c}}, ~17/9 = 1098.2979{{c}} | |||
Optimal ET sequence: [[19edt|b19]], [[26edt|b26]], [[45edt|b45]], [[71edt|b71]] | |||
Badness (Sintel): 0.841 | |||
=== Remus === | |||
By splitting the generator of sirius into three, remus efficiently represents the no-2's 13-limit with [[mos scale]]s of 18, 25, 32, or 39 steps. | |||
This is essentially [[electra]] but with prime 7, or more accurately, electra is the no-7's [[restriction]] of this temperament. | |||
Subgroup: 3.5.7.11 | |||
Comma list: 1331/1323, 3125/3087 | |||
{{Mapping|legend=2| | {{Mapping|legend=2| 1 -5 -9 -5 | 0 9 15 10 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~3, ~11/5 | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~ | * WE: ~3 = 1902.6279{{c}}, ~11/5 = 1366.3374{{c}} | ||
* CWE: ~ | * CWE: ~3 = 1901.9550{{c}}, ~11/5 = 1365.8996{{c}} | ||
Optimal ET sequence: [[7edt|b7]], [[25edt|b25d]], [[32edt|b32]], [[39edt|b39]], [[71edt|b71]], [[110edt|b110]], [[149edt|b149]] | |||
Badness (Sintel): 0.538 | |||
==== 3.5.7.11.13 subgroup ==== | |||
Subgroup: 3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 275/273, 847/845, 1331/1323 | |||
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 -5 -9 -5 -7 | 0 9 15 10 13 }} | |||
{{ | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~3 = 1902.4456{{c}}, ~11/5 = 1366.1830{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~3 = 1901.9550{{c}}, ~11/5 = 1365.8649{{c}} | |||
[[ | Optimal ET sequence: [[7edt|b7]], [[25edt|b25df]], [[32edt|b32]], [[39edt|b39]], [[110edt|b110]], [[149edt|b149]] | ||
Badness (Sintel): 0.286 | |||
== Canopus == | |||
{{Main| Canopus }} | |||
For extensions to this temperament that include the prime 2, see [[Canopic clan]]. No-2's extensions will be documented below. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 3.5.7 | ||
[[Comma list]]: | [[Comma list]]: 16875/16807 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 - | {{Mapping|legend=3| 1 -2 -1 | 0 5 4 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~3, ~ | : mapping generators: ~3, ~15/7 | ||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~3 = | * [[WE]]: ~3 = 1901.7826{{c}}, ~15/7 = 1317.8771{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| | : [[error map]]: {{val| +1.785 -0.771 -2.248 }} | ||
* [[CWE]]: ~3 = 1901.9550{{c}}, ~ | * [[CWE]]: ~3 = 1901.9550{{c}}, ~15/7 = 1317.9686{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +1. | : error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.381 +1.093 }} | ||
[[Optimal ET sequence]]: [[13edt|b13]], [[62edt|b62]], [[75edt|b75]], [[88edt|b88]], [[101edt|b101]], [[114edt|b114]], [[355edt|b355]], [[469edt|b469]], [[583edt|b583]], [[697edt|b697]] | |||
[[ | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.0996 | ||
[[ | === Suhail === | ||
Tempering out the 3.13-subgroup [[threedie]] splits the tritave into three, meeting 11/1 at seven generators after tempering out the [[sopreisma]]. | |||
Subgroup: 3.5.7.11 | Subgroup: 3.5.7.11 | ||
Comma list: | Comma list: 9375/9317, 12005/11979 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=2| | {{Mapping|legend=2| 3 4 5 6 | 0 5 4 7 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~539/375, ~77/75 | |||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~ | * WE: ~539/375 = 634.9453{{c}}, ~77/75 = 49.8753{{c}} | ||
* CWE: ~ | * CWE: ~539/375 = 633.9850{{c}}, ~77/75 = 49.8596{{c}} | ||
Optimal ET sequence: [[ | Optimal ET sequence: [[36edt|b36]], [[39edt|b39]], [[75edt|b75]], [[114edt|b114]], [[153edt|b153]], [[267edt|b267]] | ||
Badness (Sintel): | Badness (Sintel): 0.421 | ||
=== 3.5.7.11.13 subgroup === | ==== 3.5.7.11.13 subgroup ==== | ||
Subgroup: 3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 3.5.7.11.13 | ||
Comma list: | Comma list: 1575/1573, 1625/1617, 4459/4455 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=2| | {{Mapping|legend=2| 3 4 5 6 7 | 0 5 4 7 0 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~ | * WE: ~13/9 = 634.1444{{c}}, ~65/63 = 49.6946{{c}} | ||
* CWE: ~ | * CWE: ~13/9 = 633.9850{{c}}, ~65/63 = 49.7330{{c}} | ||
Optimal ET sequence: [[ | Optimal ET sequence: [[36edt|b36]], [[39edt|b39]], [[114edt|b114]], [[153edt|b153]], [[498edt|b498cf]], [[651edt|b651cf]] | ||
Badness (Sintel): | Badness (Sintel): 0.330 | ||
== Procyon == | == Procyon == | ||
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Badness (Sintel): 0.542 | Badness (Sintel): 0.542 | ||
== | == Izar == | ||
[[Subgroup]]: 3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 3.5.7 | ||
[[Comma list]]: | [[Comma list]]: 13841287201/13839609375 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 | {{Mapping|legend=3| 1 -5 -2 | 0 12 7 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~3, ~ | : mapping generators: ~3, ~30375/16807 | ||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~3 = | * [[WE]]: ~3 = 1901.9584{{c}}, ~30375/16807 = 1024.6759{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0. | : [[error map]]: {{val| +0.003 +0.005 -0.012 }} | ||
* [[CWE]]: ~3 = 1901.9550{{c}}, ~ | * [[CWE]]: ~3 = 1901.9550{{c}}, ~30375/16807 = 1024.6743{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 - | : error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.002 -0.016 }} | ||
[[Optimal ET sequence]]: [[ | [[Optimal ET sequence]]: [[13edt|b13]], [[141edt|b141]], [[154edt|b154]], …, [[258edt|b258]], [[271edt|b271]], [[800edt|b800]], [[1071edt|b1071]], [[1342edt|b1342]], [[1613edt|b1613]], [[4568edt|b4568]], [[6181edt|b6181]] | ||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0. | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.0166 | ||
== | == Nekkar == | ||
This temperament is the no-2's [[restriction]] of [[squares]], and as such is named after a star that belonged to the obsolete constellation of Quadrans Muralis, whose name has to do with squares. However, seeing the sheer complexity and size of the commas, nekkar is much more naturally thought of as a temperament of 3.5.7.11 than 3.5.7, whereupon it is a restriction of undecimal squares, and a strong extension of [[#Mintaka|mintaka]]. However, the 13-limit extension restricts to [[#Minalzidar|minalzidar]] rather than tridecimal mintaka. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 3.5.7 | |||
[[Comma list]]: {{monzo| -24 -3 16 }} | |||
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 -8 0 | 0 16 3 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~3, ~32805/16807 | |||
{{ | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~3 = 1900.1550{{c}}, ~32805/16807 = 1124.1916{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| -1.800 -0.488 +3.749 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~3 = 1901.9550{{c}}, ~32805/16807 = 1125.1876{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +1.047 +6.737 }} | |||
Optimal | [[Optimal ET sequence]]: [[22edt|b22]], [[49edt|b49]], [[71edt|b71]], [[120edt|b120]], [[191edt|b191d]], [[311edt|b311dd]] | ||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 17.1 | |||
Badness | |||
=== 3.5.7.11 subgroup === | |||
Subgroup: 3.5.7.11 | Subgroup: 3.5.7.11 | ||
Comma list: 1331/1323, | Comma list: 1331/1323, 120285/117649 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 - | {{Mapping|legend=2| 1 -8 0 1 | 0 16 3 2 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~3 = | * WE: ~3 = 1900.6084{{c}}, ~21/11 = 1124.4193{{c}} | ||
* CWE: ~3 = 1901.9550{{c}}, ~11 | * CWE: ~3 = 1901.9550{{c}}, ~21/11 = 1125.1738{{c}} | ||
Optimal ET sequence: [[ | Optimal ET sequence: [[22edt|b22]], [[49edt|b49]], [[71edt|b71]], [[120edt|b120]], [[191edt|b191d]], [[262edt|b262d]] | ||
Badness (Sintel): | Badness (Sintel): 1.37 | ||
=== 3.5.7.11.13 subgroup === | |||
Subgroup: 3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 3.5.7.11.13 | ||
Comma list: | Comma list: 169/165, 351/343, 11011/10935 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 - | {{Mapping|legend=2| 1 -8 0 1 -3 | 0 16 3 2 9 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~3 = 1902. | * WE: ~3 = 1902.3248{{c}}, ~21/11 = 1125.4837{{c}} | ||
* CWE: ~3 = 1901.9550{{c}}, ~11 | * CWE: ~3 = 1901.9550{{c}}, ~21/11 = 1125.2772{{c}} | ||
Optimal ET sequence: [[ | Optimal ET sequence: [[22edt|b22]], [[49edt|b49]], [[71edt|b71f]] | ||
Badness (Sintel): | Badness (Sintel): 1.72 | ||
== Bohlenic == | == Bohlenic == | ||
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[[Comma list]]: 245/243, 3125/3087 | [[Comma list]]: 245/243, 3125/3087 | ||
{{Mapping|legend= | {{Mapping|legend=3| 13 19 23 0 | 0 0 0 1 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~27/25, ~11 | : mapping generators: ~27/25, ~11 | ||
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=== Adhara === | === Adhara === | ||
Adhara cleaves the step of mebsuta in three to produce a remarkable Don Page temperament for the chord 7:9:11:13:17 (that is, setting [[13/11]] to two-thirds of 9/7, and [[17/13]] to four-thirds of 11/9). It can be extended to even higher subgroups fairly naturally, and encompasses several prominent tunings within its structure (such as [[65edt]], [[131edt]], and [[197edt]]). | Adhara cleaves the step of mebsuta in three to produce a remarkable Don Page temperament for the chord 7:9:11:13:17 (that is, setting [[13/11]] to two-thirds of 9/7, and [[17/13]] to four-thirds of 11/9). It can be extended to even higher subgroups fairly naturally, and encompasses several prominent tunings within its structure (such as [[65edt]], [[131edt]], and [[197edt]]). | ||
It is also possible to set two-thirds of 11/9 to [[8/7]], giving rise to an add-8 extension. | It is also possible to set two-thirds of 11/9 to [[8/7]], giving rise to an add-8 extension. | ||
Subgroup: 3.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 107811/107653, 387420489/386683451 | |||
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 2 2 2 | 0 -15 12 22 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~3, ~121/119 | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~3 = 1901.5487{{c}}, ~121/119 = 29.0313{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~3 = 1901.9550{{c}}, ~121/119 = 29.0392{{c}} | |||
Optimal ET sequence: [[65edt|b65]], [[66edt|b66]], [[131edt|b131]] | |||
Badness (Sintel): 1.26 | |||
==== 3.7.11.13.17 subgroup ==== | ==== 3.7.11.13.17 subgroup ==== | ||
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{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 2 2 2 2 | 0 -15 12 22 38 }} | {{Mapping|legend=2| 1 2 2 2 2 | 0 -15 12 22 38 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||