Bird's eye view of temperaments by accuracy: Difference between revisions

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Partial reversal on garibaldi: let's not beat around the bush it IS the simplest good 7-limit schismic extension; gracecordial is more complex and schism is not good; reduced bloat and acknowledged interseptimals of 53edo, relationship between primes 5,13 and 7,11 I consider to be very important in cassandra
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m Garibaldi: address a bunch of things discussed on my user page where it was brought up. i'll do a diff again to see if i missed anything, also cuz theres some repeat info i want to address
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[[#Generator tunings|Generator tunings]]: 24\31, 31\53, 55\94
[[#Generator tunings|Generator tunings]]: 24\31, 31\53, 55\94


Garibaldi is arguably the simplest way to bestow prime 7 upon [[#Schismic]] effectively, at the cost of some accuracy. It uses a slightly sharper fifth that tunes the 5-limit worse, making it no longer a microtemperament. This is done by interpreting (9/8)<sup>3</sup> as [[~]][[10/7]] by tempering out [[5120/5103]] so that 8/7 and 10/9 are equidistant from 9/8. The distance is a tempered [[Pythagorean comma]] that also represents [[64/63]] and [[81/80]], which necessarily results in [[225/224]] tempered out as 5120/5103 * 32805/32768 = 225/224.
Garibaldi is arguably the best way to bestow prime 7 upon [[#Schismic]] effectively, at the cost of some accuracy. It uses a slightly sharper fifth that tunes the 5-limit worse, making it no longer a microtemperament. This is done by interpreting (9/8)<sup>3</sup> as [[~]][[10/7]] by tempering out S8/S9 = [[5120/5103]] so that 8/7 and 10/9 are equidistant from 9/8, corresponding to equating S8 = [[64/63]] and S9 = [[81/80]] respectively. This results in a conveniently general tempered comma-sized interval that also represents the [[Pythagorean comma]], which is equal to (9/8)<sup>6</sup> / (2/1).


[[41edo]] and [[53edo]] are slightly overtempered and undertempered for it respectively, so that [[94edo]] is pretty close to optimal, though it has a barely inconsistently flat [[~]][[25/16]] which is unbefitting of schismic. 94 + 41 = [[135edo]] and 94 + 53 = [[147edo]] also support it but with yet more inconsistencies due to the finer gamut, so it's worth checking the "Prime harmonics" tables to see if you're okay with the errors.  
[[41edo]] and [[53edo]] are slightly overtempered and undertempered for it respectively, so that [[94edo]] is pretty close to optimal, though it has a (barely) inconsistently flat [[~]][[25/16]] which is unbefitting of schismic. 94 + 41 = [[135edo]] and 94 + 53 = [[147edo]] also support it but with yet more inconsistencies due to the finer gamut, so it's worth checking the "Prime harmonics" tables to see if you're okay with the errors.  


The choice of 41edo and 53edo for the 7-limit is hard to determine, so a better way of choosing is choosing between primes 7,11 and primes 5,13. Both support [[cassandra]], a 13-limit extension which tempers out [[352/351]] and [[325/324]], so that [[~]][[16/13]] is a comma below [[~]][[5/4]] and [[39/32]] is equated with [[11/9]].
The choice of 41edo and 53edo for the 7-limit is hard to determine, so a better way of choosing is choosing between primes 7, 11 and primes 5, 13.
* For prime 11, [[41edo]] is better, as it finds [[~]][[11/9]] as a hemififth and as a comma above [[~]][[6/5]] (as in [[cassandra]]) or a comma below [[~]][[5/4]] (as in [[andromeda]]). Primes 5 and 13 are worse. This is reflected in the [[tetracot comma]] also being tempered out, which necessarily tunes 16/13 and 5/4 flatter, and [[~]][[16/13]] also being a hemififth.
* For prime 11, [[41edo]] is better, as it finds [[~]][[11/9]] as half of the fifth and as a comma above [[~]][[6/5]] (as in [[cassandra]]) or a comma below [[~]][[5/4]] (as in [[andromeda]]). However, there is significant damage to 15/13 and 13/10.
* For primes 5 and 13, [[53edo]] is better, as it finds [[interseptimal interval]]s distinctly from adjacent [[septimal]] intervals so that [[~]][[15/13]] is half of a practically-just [[4/3]] (tempering out [[676/675|S13/S15]]) and is (resultantly) found as a comma above [[~]][[8/7]] or a comma below [[~]][[7/6]], which reflects to (3/2)/(15/13) = [[~]][[13/10]] being made the midpoint of [[~]][[21/16]] and [[~]][[9/7]] respectively. It also makes [[~]][[16/13]] a comma below [[~]][[5/4]] (by tempering out ((5/4)/(16/13))/(81/80) = 325/324). This corresponds to a number of temperaments; the most relevant of which for [[#Schismic]] is the very accurate extension to prime 13 called [[Schismatic family#Tridecaschismic (2.3.5.13)|tridecaschismic]], corresponding to reaching 13/4 through (9/8)<sup>10</sup> (tempering out the [[tridecapyth comma]]) and also corresponding to tempering out [[325/324]] = S25*S26 = S10/S12 as mentioned. However, there is significant damage to 14/11.


* For primes 5 and 13, [[53edo]] is better, as it has a close to just fifth that benefits [[Schismatic family#Tridecaschismic (2.3.5.13)|tridecaschismic]], finding very well tuned ~5/4 and ~16/13. It also has half-fourths corresponding to [[15/13]], tempering out [[676/675]], telling apart [[Interseptimal interval|Interseptimal intervals]] from adjacent [[septimal]] intervals; 15/13 is here the midpoint between 8/7 and 7/6, making it part of [[The Archipelago]]. Primes 7 and 11 are worse. This is reflected in 14/11 being equated with 9/7, and 11/9 being equated with a flat 39/32, inflating the [[rastma]] to a whole step.
Both support [[cassandra]], a 13-limit extension which finds [[~]][[16/13]] as a comma below [[~]][[5/4]] and equates (3/2)/(16/13) = [[39/32]] with [[11/9]]. (This means that in 41edo, we have a single neutral third at the cost of damage to prime 13, while in 53edo we have two neutral thirds at the cost of damage to prime 11, hence 41 + 53 = [[94edo]] is a lot more characteristic of cassandra's tuning.)


=== 11-limit focus ===
=== 11-limit focus ===