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Interval information
Ratio 256/255
Factorization 28 × 3-1 × 5-1 × 17-1
Monzo [8 -1 -1 0 0 0 -1
Size in cents 6.7758758¢
Names septendecimal kleisma,
char comma,
255th subharmonic
Color name 17ug1, sugu 1sn,
Sugu comma
FJS name [math]\text{P1}_{5,17}[/math]
Special properties square superparticular,
reduced subharmonic
Tenney height (log2 nd) 15.9944
Weil height (log2 max(n, d)) 16
Wilson height (sopfr (nd)) 41
Harmonic entropy
(Shannon, [math]\sqrt{n\cdot d}[/math])
~2.59221 bits
Comma size small
S-expression S16
open this interval in xen-calc
"Charisma" redirects here. Not to be confused with Horcrux.

256/255, the septendecimal kleisma, charisma, char comma or 255th subharmonic is a small 17-limit superparticular comma about 6.8 cents in size. It is the difference between 16/15 (the classical diatonic semitone) and 17/16 (the large septendecimal semitone) and forms the amount by which a stack consisting of 15/8 and 17/16 falls short of an octave.


By tempering it out is defined the charismic temperament (full 17-limit rank-6) or charic temperament ( subgroup rank-3), which enables the charismic chords.



Mapping[1 1 2 5], 0 1 0 -1], 0 0 1 -1]]

Patent EDO tunings with relative error < 1/3 for all generators: 3, 9, 10, 12, 15, 21, 22, 24, 31, 32, 34, 43, 44, 46, 55, 56, 58, 65, 68, 77, 80, 111, 114, 145

CTE generators: (2/1,) 3/2 = 702.647, 5/4 = 387.798


Subgroup: full 17-limit

Mapping: same as charic plus trivial pure extra primes

Patent EDO tunings with relative error < 1/3 for all generators: 9, 31, 43, 46, 56

CTE generators: same as charic plus trivial pure extra primes

Srutal archagall

By also tempering the semitonisma (289/288), an efficient temperament known as Srutal archagall is achieved, which is equivalently described as charic semitonic.

This is because of a general fact of S-expressions; in this case it manifests as that: {S162 × S17 , S16/S17} = {S16, S17}

Etymology and history

Before 2023, this interval was known as septendecimal kleisma or 255th subharmonic.

The "char" in the name charisma (or char comma) refers to the char data type in C-derived programming languages, where the char represents a byte of at least or exactly 8 bits. Thereby, the maximum unsigned value for an 8-bit char is 255 and the number of values an 8-bit char can take is 256, hence 256/255.

The former name diasemisma was proposed by Xenllium in May 2023. It is a contraction of diatonic semitone into a single word. In some contexts, both 16/15 and 17/16 are considered minor second (ie. diatonic semitone), namely classical diatonic semitone and minor diatonic semitone respectively. However, a rename to charisma was proposed as part of an effort to make naming more standardised and for a number of reasons including potential confusion with diasem and the former nonconforming naming of horcrux in the 11- and 13-limit (which were formerly named "charisma" and "charismic", creating a potential false impression that the former was a comma, not a temperament, and that the latter was the temperament defined by tempering that comma in the corresponding prime limit); specifically, see the talk page and Temperament naming #Contemporary rules for details.

The rename took place as Starshine (from the XA Discord server) suggested (half-jokingly) that a chance had been missed to name it the charisma in December 2023, a name which Godtone took favor to and championed which then caused awareness of nonconforming names of two horcrux temeraments. A revision to charsma (no-i spelling) was proposed by Xenllium in January 2024 for disambiguation but this would cause inconsistency with the -ic/-ismic/-isma rule which is a reason that those same temperaments were already being proposed to be renamed.

See also