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=== Overview to extensions === | === Overview to extensions === | ||
==== Full 7-limit extensions ==== | ==== Full 7-limit extensions ==== | ||
To the gamelisma itself we need to add the comma which appears next on the modified [[Normal lists #Normal interval list|normal comma list]] for the full 7-limit. The second comma on the list for mothra is [[81/80]], for rodan [[245/243]], for guiron [[32805/32768]], for gorgo [[36/35]], and for gidorah [[256/245]]. These all use ~8/7 as a generator, though in the case of gidorah that is the same as ~6/5. | To the gamelisma itself we need to add the comma which appears next on the modified [[Normal lists #Normal interval list|normal comma list]] for the full 7-limit. The second comma on the list for mothra is [[81/80]], for rodan [[245/243]], for guiron [[32805/32768]], for gorgo [[36/35]], and for gidorah [[256/245]]. These all use ~8/7 as a generator, though in the case of gidorah that is the same as ~[[6/5]]. | ||
Miracle adds [[33075/32768]] and uses the [[secor]], half an ~8/7, as generator. Lemba adds [[525/512]] to the list, and has a half-octave [[period]]. Valentine adds [[6144/6125]] with a generator of ~21/20 and superkleismic adds [[875/864]] with a generator of ~6/5. Unidec adds [[4375/4374]], and has a generator of ~10/9 with a half-octave period. Hemithirds adds [[65625/65536]] with a generator half of a classical major third. Finally, tritikleismic adds [[15625/15552]] and has a generator of 6/5 with a 1/3-octave period. | Miracle adds [[33075/32768]] and uses the [[secor]], half an ~8/7, as generator. Lemba adds [[525/512]] to the list, and has a half-octave [[period]]. Valentine adds [[6144/6125]] with a generator of ~[[21/20]] and superkleismic adds [[875/864]] with a generator of ~6/5. Unidec adds [[4375/4374]], and has a generator of ~[[10/9]] with a half-octave period. Hemithirds adds [[65625/65536]] with a generator half of a classical major third. Finally, tritikleismic adds [[15625/15552]] and has a generator of 6/5 with a 1/3-octave period. | ||
Full 7-limit temperaments discussed elsewhere are: | Full 7-limit temperaments discussed elsewhere are: | ||
* [[Blackwood]] (+28/27) → [[ | * [[Blackwood]] (+28/27) → [[Blackwood family #Blackwood|Blackwood family]] | ||
* [[Lemba]] (+50/49) → [[Jubilismic clan #Lemba|Jubilismic clan]] | * [[Lemba]] (+50/49) → [[Jubilismic clan #Lemba|Jubilismic clan]] | ||
* [[Trisected]] (+128/125) → [[Augmented family #Trisected|Augmented family]] | * [[Trisected]] (+128/125) → [[Augmented family #Trisected|Augmented family]] | ||
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==== Subgroup extensions ==== | ==== Subgroup extensions ==== | ||
No-five subgroup extensions of slendric include radon, a 2.3.7.11-subgroup extension that may be viewed as no-five rodan, considered below, euslendric, a 2.3.7.13-subgroup extension, | No-five subgroup extensions of slendric include radon, a 2.3.7.11-subgroup extension that may be viewed as no-five rodan, considered below, euslendric, a 2.3.7.13-subgroup extension, baladic, a weak 2.3.7.13.17-subgroup extension, and gigapyth, a 2.3.7.85-subgroup extension, considered in [[#Other subgroup extensions]]. Dicussed elsewhere is [[Subgroup temperaments #Trisect|trisect]] in the 2.3.7.11/5 subgroup. | ||
=== Radon === | === Radon === | ||
{{See also|Chromatic pairs #Radon}} | |||
Radon is the no-fives version of [[rodan]], equating the diatonic major third to [[14/11]]. | Radon is the no-fives version of [[rodan]], equating the diatonic major third to [[14/11]]. | ||
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== Mothra == | == Mothra == | ||
{{Main| Mothra }} | {{Main| Mothra }} | ||
Mothra tempers out [[81/80]] and finds the prime 5 at a stack of four fifths as does any temperament in the [[meantone family]]. It also tempers out [[1728/1715]], the orwellisma. It can be described as the {{nowrap| 26 & 31 }}. Using [[31edo]] with a generator of 6 | Mothra tempers out [[81/80]] and finds the prime 5 at a stack of four fifths as does any temperament in the [[meantone family]]. It also tempers out [[1728/1715]], the orwellisma. It can be described as the {{nowrap| 26 & 31 }}. Using [[31edo]] with a generator of 6\31 is an excellent tuning choice. However, a pure mos mothra scale is often described as directionless and has limited chord-building potential<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH3ahBzDSrs 31-EDO Music Theory: Supermajor Hexatonic Scale] by [[Zhea Erose]]</ref>, so something other than a mos may be used as a scale to get the most out of mothra. There are examples of non-mos mothra scales in 31edo [[Strictly proper 7-tone 31edo scales|in the article on strictly proper 7-tone 31edo scales]]. | ||
Note that mothra is also called '''cynder''' in the 7-limit, which can be a little confusing sometimes. | Note that mothra is also called '''cynder''' in the 7-limit, which can be a little confusing sometimes. | ||
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: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Syntonic–31 equivalence continuum #Ampersand]].'' | : ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Syntonic–31 equivalence continuum #Ampersand]].'' | ||
Miracle is one of the most important entries of this temperament clan. It tempers out [[225/224]], splitting the ~8/7 generator of slendric into 15/14~16/15, and can be described as the {{nowrap| 31 & 41 }} temperament. Its ploidacot is hexacot. It is then extremely natural to equate the neutral third, three generators up, to [[11/9]] and thereby extend miracle to the full [[11-limit]] with essentially no further damage. [[72edo]] makes for an excellent tuning. | Miracle is one of the most important entries of this temperament clan. It tempers out [[225/224]], splitting the ~8/7 generator of slendric into [[15/14]]~[[16/15]], and can be described as the {{nowrap| 31 & 41 }} temperament. Its ploidacot is hexacot. It is then extremely natural to equate the neutral third, three generators up, to [[11/9]] and thereby extend miracle to the full [[11-limit]] with essentially no further damage. [[72edo]] makes for an excellent tuning. | ||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
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=== Oracle === | === Oracle === | ||
The name is a portmanteau of [[orwell]] and [[miracle]]: Oracle is a weak extension of 7-limit miracle, splitting its ~[[16/15]] generator and an octave into two ~[[16/11]] generators. Additionally, when [[restriction|restricted]] to the 2.15.7.11 subgroup, oracle's generator corresponds to 2 stacked orwell generators. | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | ||
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: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Syntonic–31 equivalence continuum #Valentine (5-limit)]].'' | : ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Syntonic–31 equivalence continuum #Valentine (5-limit)]].'' | ||
Valentine tempers out [[126/125]] and [[6144/6125]] as well as 1029/1024. It has a generator of [[~]][[21/20]], three of which make the slendric generator ~8/7. 21/20 can be stripped of its 2 and taken as 3 × 7/5. In this respect it resembles miracle, with a generator of 3 × 5/7, and casablanca, with a generator of 5 × 7/3. These three generators are the simplest in terms of the relationship of tetrads in the [[7-limit symmetrical lattices|lattice of 7-limit tetrads]]. Valentine can be described as the {{nowrap| 31 & 46 }} temperament; its ploidacot is enneacot. [[77edo]], [[108edo]], or [[185edo]] make for excellent tunings, which also happen to be excellent tunings for [[starling]], the rank-3 temperament tempering out 126/125. Hence 7-limit valentine can be used whenever starling is wanted, with the extra tempering out of 1029/1024 having no discernible effect on tuning accuracy. Another tuning for valentine uses (3/2)<sup>1/9</sup> as a generator, giving pure 3/2 fifths. Valentine extends naturally to the 11-limit, tempering out 121/120 and 441/440; 46edo has a valentine generator 3\46 which is only 0.0117 cents sharp of the minimax generator, (11/7)<sup>1/10</sup>. | Valentine tempers out [[126/125]] and [[6144/6125]] as well as 1029/1024. It has a generator of [[~]][[21/20]], three of which make the slendric generator ~8/7. 21/20 can be stripped of its 2 and taken as 3 × 7/5. In this respect it resembles miracle, with a generator of 3 × 5/7, and casablanca, with a generator of 5 × 7/3. These three generators are the simplest in terms of the relationship of tetrads in the [[7-limit symmetrical lattices|lattice of 7-limit tetrads]]. Valentine can be described as the {{nowrap| 31 & 46 }} temperament; its ploidacot is enneacot. [[77edo]], [[108edo]], or [[185edo]] make for excellent tunings, which also happen to be excellent tunings for [[starling]], the rank-3 temperament tempering out 126/125. Hence 7-limit valentine can be used whenever starling is wanted, with the extra tempering out of 1029/1024 having no discernible effect on tuning accuracy. Another tuning for valentine uses (3/2)<sup>1/9</sup> as a generator, giving pure 3/2 fifths. Valentine extends naturally to the 11-limit, tempering out 121/120 and 441/440; 46edo has a valentine generator 3\46 which is only 0.0117 cents sharp of the minimax generator, ([[11/7]])<sup>1/10</sup>. | ||
Valentine has a very straighforward [[S-expression]]-based comma list in the [[11-limit]] add-23 (i.e. the 2.3.5.7.11.23 subgroup) of {([[176/175|S8/S10 = S22 × S23 × S24]], [[121/120|S11]]), [[441/440|S21]], [[484/483|S22]], [[529/528|S23]], [[576/575|S24]]}, so it is the temperament that equalizes the 20::25 segment of the harmonic series. | Valentine has a very straighforward [[S-expression]]-based comma list in the [[11-limit]] add-23 (i.e. the 2.3.5.7.11.23 subgroup) of {([[176/175|S8/S10 = S22 × S23 × S24]], [[121/120|S11]]), [[441/440|S21]], [[484/483|S22]], [[529/528|S23]], [[576/575|S24]]}, so it is the temperament that equalizes the 20::25 segment of the harmonic series. | ||
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: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Shibboleth]].'' | : ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Shibboleth]].'' | ||
Superkleismic tempers out the keema, [[875/864]], and can be described as the {{nowrap| 15 & 26 }} temperament. It splits the ~7/4 into three ~6/5 generators of around 322 cents. This is noticeably sharper than the [[kleismic]] generator, hence the name. | Superkleismic tempers out the keema, [[875/864]], and can be described as the {{nowrap| 15 & 26 }} temperament. It splits the ~[[7/4]] into three ~6/5 generators of around 322 cents. This is noticeably sharper than the [[kleismic]] generator, hence the name. | ||
In the 11-limit, two generator steps can be identified with ~16/11, and in the 13-limit, the same step can be treated as ~13/9. The [[S-expression]]-based comma list of 13-limit superkleismic is {[[875/864|S5/S6]], [[1029/1024|S7/S8]], [[100/99|S10]], [[144/143|S12]], ([[441/440|S21]])}. Through careful observation of the equivalences therein one can derive the mapping of the full 13-limit. | In the 11-limit, two generator steps can be identified with ~16/11, and in the 13-limit, the same step can be treated as ~13/9. The [[S-expression]]-based comma list of 13-limit superkleismic is {[[875/864|S5/S6]], [[1029/1024|S7/S8]], [[100/99|S10]], [[144/143|S12]], ([[441/440|S21]])}. Through careful observation of the equivalences therein one can derive the mapping of the full 13-limit. | ||
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{{Main| Unidec }} | {{Main| Unidec }} | ||
Unidec tempers out the ragisma, [[4375/4374]], and may be described as the {{nowrap| 26 & 46 }} temperament. It has a [[semi-octave]] [[period]] and a generator of ~80/63, two of which minus a period make slendric's generator; its [[ploidacot]] is therefore diploid gamma-hexacot. In the 11-limit, the generator represents [[14/11]]. [[190edo]] makes for an excellent tuning in both the 7-limit and 11-limit. | Unidec tempers out the ragisma, [[4375/4374]], and may be described as the {{nowrap| 26 & 46 }} temperament. It has a [[semi-octave]] [[period]] and a generator of ~[[80/63]], two of which minus a period make slendric's generator; its [[ploidacot]] is therefore diploid gamma-hexacot. In the 11-limit, the generator represents [[14/11]]. [[190edo]] makes for an excellent tuning in both the 7-limit and 11-limit. | ||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
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== | == Restles == | ||
{{See also| Lesser tendoneutralic }} | |||
Restles may be described as the {{nowrap| 77 & 87 }} temperament, and has a [[ploidacot]] signature of gamma-dodecacot. It was named by [[Petr Pařízek]] in 2011 for it is some sort of opposite to [[beatles]]<ref name="petr's long post">[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_101780.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Suggested names for the unclasified temperaments'']</ref>. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
[[Comma list]]: 1029/1024, | [[Comma list]]: 1029/1024, 153664/151875 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 - | {{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -2 8 4 | 0 12 -19 -4 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~2 | : mapping generators: ~2. ~315/256 | ||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200. | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.0322{{c}}, ~315/256 = 358.5581{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0. | : [[error map]]: {{val| +0.032 +0.678 +1.340 -2.930 }} | ||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~ | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~315/256 = 358.5484{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 | : error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.626 +1.267 -3.019 }} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 77, 87, 164 }} | ||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2. | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.73 | ||
=== 11-limit === | === 11-limit === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | ||
Comma list: | Comma list: 385/384, 441/440, 153664/151875 | ||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 - | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -2 8 4 -7 | 0 12 -19 -4 35 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1200. | * WE: ~2 = 1200.1110{{c}}, ~27/22 = 358.6045{{c}} | ||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~22 | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/22 = 358.5720{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 77, 87, 164, 251d }} | ||
Badness (Sintel): 1. | Badness (Sintel): 1.81 | ||
=== 13-limit === | === 13-limit === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | ||
Comma list: | Comma list: 196/195, 352/351, 385/384, 676/675 | ||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 - | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -2 8 4 -7 4 | 0 12 -19 -4 35 -1 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = | * WE: ~2 = 1200.0482{{c}}, ~~16/13 = 358.5883{{c}} | ||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~ | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~16/13 = 358.5741{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 77, 87, 164, 251d }} | ||
Badness (Sintel): 1. | Badness (Sintel): 1.16 | ||
== | == Necromanteion == | ||
Necromanteion, named by [[Johannes Werpup]] in 2014<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_106371.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Temperament ideas: A cuckoo, and two oracles'']</ref> may be described as the {{nowrap| 31 & 51c }} temperament. The generator is a subfifth representing ~[[35/24]], four of which minus two octaves make slendric's generator. Therefore, its [[ploidacot]] is wau-dodecacot. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
[[Comma list]]: 1029/1024, | [[Comma list]]: 1029/1024, 5103/5000 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 - | {{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -5 -7 5 | 0 12 17 -4 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~2 | : mapping generators: ~2, ~35/24 | ||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200. | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.2959{{c}}, ~35/24 = 658.3833{{c}} | ||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0. | : [[error map]]: {{val| +0.296 -2.835 +4.130 -0.879 }} | ||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~ | * [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~35/24 = 658.2313{{c}} | ||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 | : error map: {{val| 0.000 -3.179 +3.619 -1.751 }} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 11c, 20c, 31, 144c, 175c }} | ||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2. | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.98 | ||
=== 11-limit === | === 11-limit === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | ||
Comma list: | Comma list: 176/175, 243/242, 1029/1024 | ||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 - | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -5 -7 5 -13 | 0 12 17 -4 30 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1200. | * WE: ~2 = 1200.2862{{c}}, ~22/15 = 658.4276{{c}} | ||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~ | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~22/15 = 658.2805{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 20ce, 31, 113c, 144c }} | ||
Badness (Sintel): 1. | Badness (Sintel): 1.77 | ||
=== 13-limit === | === 13-limit === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | ||
Comma list: | Comma list: 144/143, 176/175, 243/242, 343/338 | ||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 - | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -5 -7 5 -13 7 | 0 12 17 -4 30 -6 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = | * WE: ~2 = 1199.3663{{c}}, ~22/15 = 658.0465{{c}} | ||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~ | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~22/15 = 658.3800{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 20ce, 31, 82cf, 113cf }} | ||
Badness (Sintel): 1. | Badness (Sintel): 1.94 | ||
== Lagaca == | == Lagaca == | ||
Cryptically named by [[Petr Pařízek]] in 2011<ref name="petr's long post"/>, lagaca may be described as the {{nowrap| 10 & 118 }} temperament with a [[ploidacot]] signature of diploid wau-enneacot. The name actually refers to the fact that 12 generator steps in this temperament make ~7/3, where "l", "g", "c" are integers alphabetically converted to letters. | Cryptically named by [[Petr Pařízek]] in 2011<ref name="petr's long post"/>, lagaca may be described as the {{nowrap| 10 & 118 }} temperament with a [[ploidacot]] signature of diploid wau-enneacot. The name actually refers to the fact that 12 generator steps in this temperament make ~[[7/3]], where "l", "g", "c" are integers alphabetically converted to letters. | ||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
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== Other subgroup extensions == | == Other subgroup extensions == | ||
=== Euslendric === | === Euslendric (2.3.7.13) === | ||
Forms of slendric in the most optimal range for the 2.3.7 temperament ({{nowrap| 36 & 77 }}) lack an obvious strong mapping of prime 5 or prime 11. However, slendric can extend well to the no-fives no-elevens [[29-limit]] by tempering out [[273/272]], [[343/342]], [[378/377]], [[392/391]], [[513/512]], and [[729/728]], or a comma basis defined in terms of [[S-expression]]s as {S7/S8, S14/S16, S15/S20, S24/S26, S27, S28}. [[113edo]] is an obvious tuning. | Forms of slendric in the most optimal range for the 2.3.7 temperament ({{nowrap| 36 & 77 }}) lack an obvious strong mapping of prime 5 or prime 11. However, slendric can extend well to the no-fives no-elevens [[29-limit]] by tempering out [[273/272]], [[343/342]], [[378/377]], [[392/391]], [[513/512]], and [[729/728]], or a comma basis defined in terms of [[S-expression]]s as {S7/S8, S14/S16, S15/S20, S24/S26, S27, S28}. [[113edo]] is an obvious tuning. | ||
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=== Baladic === | === Baladic (2.3.7.13) === | ||
Baladic is a 2.3.7.13.17-subgroup temperament that attempts to approximate the Maqam Sikah Baladi scale. It tempers out [[169/168]] ({{S|13}}), which splits [[7/6]] in half ([[13/12]]~[[14/13]]) and one finds that the octave is therefore split in half via the interval [[91/64]], which is then equated to [[17/12]]. 36edo is an excellent baladic tuning. | Baladic is a 2.3.7.13.17-subgroup temperament that attempts to approximate the Maqam Sikah Baladi scale. It tempers out [[169/168]] ({{S|13}}), which splits [[7/6]] in half ([[13/12]]~[[14/13]]) and one finds that the octave is therefore split in half via the interval [[91/64]], which is then equated to [[17/12]]. 36edo is an excellent baladic tuning. | ||
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=== Gigapyth (2.3.7.85) === | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.7.85 | |||
Comma list: 1029/1024, 7225/7203 | |||
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 -2 4 7 | 0 6 -2 -1 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.8295{{c}}, ~128/85 = 717.2597{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~128/85 = 716.7933{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 5, 42*, 47, 52, 57, 62, 67, 72, 149*, 370d***, 519bdd***** }} | |||
<nowiki/>* Wart for 85 | |||
== References == | == References == | ||