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This page discusses miscellaneous [[rank-2 temperament|rank-2]] [[regular temperament|temperaments]] [[tempering out]] the [[breedsma]] ({{monzo|legend=1| -5 -1 -2 4 }}, [[ratio]]: 2401/2400). This is the amount by which two [[49/40]] intervals exceed [[3/2]], and by which two [[60/49]] intervals fall short. Either of these represent a neutral third interval which is highly characteristic of breedsmic tempering; any tuning system ([[12edo]], for example) which does not possess a neutral third cannot be tempering out the breedsma.
This page discusses miscellaneous [[rank-2 temperament|rank-2]] [[regular temperament|temperaments]] [[tempering out]] the [[breedsma]] ({{monzo|legend=1| -5 -1 -2 4 }}, [[ratio]]: 2401/2400). This is the amount by which two [[49/40]] intervals exceed [[3/2]], and by which two [[60/49]] intervals fall short. Either of these represent a neutral third interval which is highly characteristic of breedsmic tempering; any tuning system ([[12edo]], for example) which does not possess a neutral third cannot be tempering out the breedsma.


The breedsma is also the amount by which four stacked [[10/7]] intervals exceed 25/6: 10000/2401 × 2401/2400 = 10000/2400 = 25/6, which is two octaves above the classic chromatic semitone, [[25/24]]. We might note also that (49/40)(10/7) = 7/4 and (49/40)(10/7)<sup>2</sup> = 5/2, relationships which will be significant in any breedsmic temperament. As a consequence of these facts, the 49/40~60/49 neutral third and the 7/5 and 10/7 intervals tend to have relatively low complexity in a breedsmic system.
The breedsma is also the amount by which four stacked [[10/7]] intervals exceed 25/6: (10000/2401)⋅(2401/2400) = 10000/2400 = 25/6, which is two octaves above the classic chromatic semitone, [[25/24]]. We might note also that (49/40)⋅(10/7) = 7/4 and (49/40)⋅(10/7)<sup>2</sup> = 5/2, relationships which will be significant in any breedsmic temperament. As a consequence of these facts, the 49/40~60/49 neutral third and the 7/5 and 10/7 intervals tend to have relatively low complexity in a breedsmic system.


Temperaments discussed elsewhere include:  
Temperaments discussed elsewhere include:  
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{{Main| Tertiaseptal }}
{{Main| Tertiaseptal }}


Aside from the breedsma, tertiaseptal tempers out [[65625/65536]], the horwell comma, [[703125/702464]], the meter, and [[2100875/2097152]], the rainy comma. It can be described as the {{nowrap| 31 & 171 }} temperament, and 256/245, 1029/1024 less than 21/20, serves as its generator. Three of these fall short of 8/7 by 2100875/2097152, and the generator can be taken as 1/3 of an 8/7 flattened by a fraction of a cent. [[171edo]] makes for an excellent tuning, although 171edo - [[31edo]] = [[140edo]] also makes sense, and in very high limits 140edo + 171edo = [[311edo]] is especially notable. The 15- or 16-note mos can be used to explore no-threes harmony, and the 31-note mos gives plenty of room for those as well.
Aside from the breedsma, tertiaseptal tempers out [[65625/65536]], the horwell comma, [[703125/702464]], the meter, and [[2100875/2097152]], the rainy comma. It can be described as the {{nowrap| 31 & 171 }} temperament, and [[256/245]], [[1029/1024]] less than [[21/20]], serves as its generator. Three of these fall short of [[8/7]] by 2100875/2097152, and the generator can be taken as 1/3 of an 8/7 flattened by a fraction of a cent. The [[ploidacot]] for this temperament is 20-sheared 22-cot (or pentaseph due to a much simpler [[2.5.7 subgroup|2.5.7-subgroup]] structure).
 
[[171edo]] makes for an excellent tuning, although [[140edo]] ({{nowrap| {{=}} 171 - 31 }}) also makes sense, and in very high limits [[311edo]] ({{nowrap| {{=}} 140 + 171 }}) is especially notable. The 15- or 16-note [[mos]] can be used to explore no-threes harmony, and the 31-note mos gives plenty of room for those as well.


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== Emmthird ==
== Emmthird ==
The generator for emmthird is the hemimage third, sharper than 5/4 by the hemimage comma, 10976/10935.
Emmthird tempers out the [[scheme comma]] and may be described as the {{nowrap| 58 & 171 }} temperament. The generator for emmthird is flatter than [[81/64]] by a lee comma, [[177147/175616]], and sharper than [[5/4]] by the hemimage comma, [[10976/10935]]. The [[ploidacot]] for this temperament is delta-14-cot.
 
The [[11-limit]] version, which tempers out [[243/242]] and [[441/440]], has much lower accuracy and is [[support]]ed by much fewer equal temperaments.  


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=== Quadrafifths ===
=== Quadrafifths ===
This has been logged as ''semihemififths'' in Graham Breed's temperament finder, but ''quadrafifths'' arguably makes more sense because it straight-up splits the fifth in four.  
This has been catalogued as ''semihemififths'' in Graham Breed's temperament finder, but ''quadrafifths'' arguably makes more sense because it straight-up splits the fifth in four.  


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== Quasiorwell ==
== Quasiorwell ==
In addition to 2401/2400, quasiorwell tempers out the quasiorwellisma, 29360128/29296875 ({{monzo| 22 -1 -10 1 }}). It has a generator 1024/875, which is 6144/6125 more than 7/6. It may be described as the 31 & 270 temperament, and as one might expect, 61\270 makes for an excellent tuning choice. Other possibilities are (7/2)<sup>1/8</sup>, giving just 7's, or 384<sup>1/38</sup>, giving pure fifths.
In addition to 2401/2400, quasiorwell tempers out the quasiorwellisma, 29360128/29296875 ({{monzo| 22 -1 -10 1 }}). It has a generator 1024/875, which is [[6144/6125]] more than [[7/6]]. It may be described as the {{nowrap| 31 & 270 }} temperament, and its [[ploidacot]] is eta-38-cot (or omega-triseph due to a much simpler [[2.5.7 subgroup|2.5.7-subgroup]] structure). As one might expect, 61\270 makes for an excellent tuning choice. Other possibilities are (7/2)<sup>1/8</sup>, giving just 7's, or 384<sup>1/38</sup>, giving pure fifths.


Adding 3025/3024 extends to the 11-limit and as expected, 270 remains an excellent tuning.
Adding 3025/3024 extends to the 11-limit and as expected, 270 remains an excellent tuning.
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== Quinmite ==
== Quinmite ==
The generator for quinmite is quasi-tempered minor third [[25/21]], flatter than 6/5 by the starling comma, [[126/125]]. It is also generated by 1/5 of minor tenth 12/5, and its name is a play on the words "quintans" (Latin for "one fifth") and "minor tenth", given by [[Petr Pařízek]] in 2011<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_101780.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Suggested names for the unclasified temperaments'']</ref><ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_104268.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''2D temperament names, part I -- reclassified temperaments from message #101780'']</ref>.
Quinmite may be described as the {{nowrap| 99 & 103 }} temperament. The generator for quinmite is the quasi-tempered minor third [[25/21]], sharper than [[32/27]] by the marvel comma, [[225/224]]. It is also generated by 1/5 of the minor tenth [[12/5]], and its name is a play on the words "quintans" (Latin for "one fifth") and "minor tenth", given by [[Petr Pařízek]] in 2011<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_101780.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Suggested names for the unclasified temperaments'']</ref><ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_104268.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''2D temperament names, part I -- reclassified temperaments from message #101780'']</ref>. Its [[ploidacot]] is eta-34-cot.  


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== Newt ==
== Newt ==
Newt has a generator of a neutral third (0.2 cents flat of [[49/40]]) and tempers out the [[garischisma]]. It can be described as the 41 & 270 temperament, and extends naturally to the no-17 19-limit, a.k.a. '''neonewt'''. [[270edo]] and [[311edo]] are obvious tuning choices, but [[581edo]] and especially [[851edo]] work much better.
Newt tempers out the [[garischisma]] and can be described as the {{nowrap| 41 & 270 }} temperament. It has a generator of a neutral third (0.2 cents flat of [[49/40]]) with a [[ploidacot]] signature of dicot. It extends into a strong [[13-limit]] temperament and eventually a no-17 [[19-limit]] temperament, a.k.a. '''neonewt'''. [[270edo]] and [[311edo]] are obvious tuning choices, but [[581edo]] and especially [[851edo]] work even better.


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{{Main| Septidiasemi }}
{{Main| Septidiasemi }}


Aside from 2401/2400, [[septidiasemi]] tempers out 2152828125/2147483648 in the 7-limit. It is so named because the generator is a "septimal diatonic semitone" (0.15 cents flat of [[15/14]]). It is an excellent tuning for 2.3.5.7.13 and 2.3.5.7.13.17 subgroups rather than full 13- and 17-limit.
Aside from 2401/2400, [[septidiasemi]] tempers out 2152828125/2147483648 in the 7-limit, and may be described as the {{nowrap| 10 & 171 }} temperament. It is so named because the generator is a "septimal diatonic semitone" (0.15 cents flat of [[15/14]]), with a [[ploidacot]] of beta-26-cot. It is an excellent temperament for 2.3.5.7.13 and 2.3.5.7.13.17 subgroups rather than full 13- and 17-limit.


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{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -1 6 4 | 0 26 -37 -12 }}
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -1 6 4 | 0 26 -37 -12 }}
: mpping generators: ~2, ~15/14
: mapping generators: ~2, ~15/14


[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
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=== Sedia ===
=== Sedia ===
The ''sedia'' temperament (10 & 161) is an 11-limit extension of the septidiasemi, which tempers out 243/242 and 441/440.
The sedia temperament (10 & 161) is an 11-limit extension of the septidiasemi, which tempers out [[243/242]] and [[441/440]].


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: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Lockerbie]].''
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Lockerbie]].''


Lockerbie can be described as the {{nowrap| 103 & 270 }} temperament. Its generator is [[120/77]] or [[77/60]]. An obvious tuning is given by 270edo, but [[373edo]] and especially [[643edo]] work as well.  
Lockerbie can be described as the {{nowrap| 103 & 270 }} temperament. Its generator is [[~]][[77/60]] from the 11-limit onwards, and 74 generator steps give the interval class of [[3/1|3]]; its [[ploidacot]] is 26-sheared 74-cot. An obvious tuning is given by 270edo, but [[373edo]] and especially [[643edo]] work as well.  


The temperament derives its name from the {{w|Lockerbie|Scottish town}}, where a {{w|Pan Am Flight 103|flight numbered 103}} crashed with 270 casualties, and the temperament is defined as 103 & 270, hence the name. The name is proposed by Eliora, who favours it due to simplicity, ease of pronunciation and relation to numbers 103 and 270.  
The temperament derives its name from the {{w|Lockerbie|Scottish town}}, where a {{w|Pan Am Flight 103|flight numbered 103}} crashed with 270 casualties, and the temperament has a [[temperament merging|join]] 103 & 270, hence the name. The name is proposed in 2022 by [[Eliora]], who favours it due to simplicity, ease of pronunciation and relation to numbers 103 and 270.  


Lockerbie also has a unique extension that adds the 41st harmonic such that the generator below 600 cents is also on the same step in 103 or 270 as [[41/32]], which means that [[616/615]] is tempered out.
Lockerbie also has a unique extension that adds the [[41/1|41st]] [[harmonic]] such that the generator is also on the same step in 103 or 270 as [[41/32]], which means that [[616/615]] is tempered out.


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== Unthirds ==
== Unthirds ==
Despite the complexity of its mapping, unthirds is an important temperament to the structure of the [[11-limit]]; this is hinted at by unthirds' representation as the [[72edo|72]] & [[311edo|311]] temperament, the [[Temperament merging|join]] of two tuning systems well-known for their high accuracy in the 11-limit and [[41-limit]] respectively. It is generated by the interval of [[14/11]] ('''un'''decimal major '''third''', hence the name) tuned less than a cent flat, and the 23-note [[MOS]] this interval generates serves as a well temperament of, of all things, [[23edo]]. The 49-note MOS is needed to access the 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 11th harmonics, however.
Despite the complexity of its mapping, unthirds is an important temperament to the structure of the [[11-limit]]; this is hinted at by unthirds' representation as the [[72edo|72]] & [[311edo|311]] temperament, the [[temperament merging|join]] of two tuning systems well-known for their high accuracy. It is generated by the interval of [[14/11]] (<u>un</u>decimal major <u>third</u>, hence the name) tuned less than a cent flat, 42 of which [[octave reduction|octave reduced]] give the [[3/2|perfect fifth]]. Its [[ploidacot]] is 14-sheared 42-cot. The 23-note [[mos]] from the generator serves as a well temperament of, of all things, [[23edo]]. The 49-note mos is needed to access the [[3/1|3rd]], [[5/1|5th]], [[7/1|7th]], and [[11/1|11th]] [[harmonic]]s.


The commas it tempers out include the [[breedsma]] (2401/2400), the [[lehmerisma]] (3025/3024), the [[pine comma]] (4000/3993), the [[unisquary comma]] (12005/11979), the [[argyria]] (41503/41472), and 42875/42768, all of which appear individually in various 11-limit systems. It is also notable that there is a [[restriction]] of the temperament to the 2.5/3.7/3.11/3 [[fractional subgroup]] that tempers out 3025/3024 and 12005/11979, which is of considerably less complexity, and which is shared with [[sqrtphi]] (whose generator is tuned flat of 72edo's).
The commas it tempers out in the 11-limit include the [[lehmerisma]] (3025/3024), the [[pine comma]] (4000/3993), the [[unisquary comma]] (12005/11979), the [[argyria]] (41503/41472), and 42875/42768, all of which appear individually in various 11-limit systems. It is also notable that there is a [[restriction]] of the temperament to the 2.5/3.7/3.11/3 [[fractional subgroup]] that tempers out 3025/3024 and 12005/11979, which is of considerably less complexity, and which is shared with [[sqrtphi]] (whose generator is tuned flat of 72edo's).


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== Neominor ==
== Neominor ==
The generator for neominor temperament is tridecimal minor third [[13/11]], also known as ''Neo-gothic minor third''.
Neominor tempers out [[177147/175616]] and may be described as the {{nowrap| 72 & 89 }} temperament. The generator is a neogothic minor third, which represents [[13/11]][[~]][[20/17]], or its [[octave complement]], which represents [[17/10]]~[[22/13]]. The latter stacked six times [[octave reduction|octave reduced]] give the [[3/2|perfect fifth]], and the temperament has a [[ploidacot]] of delta-hexacot. [[72edo]] and [[89edo]] can be used as tunings.  


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== Mintone ==
== Mintone ==
In addition to 2401/2400, mintone tempers out 177147/175000 ({{monzo| -3 11 -5 -1 }}) in the 7-limit; 243/242, 441/440, and 43923/43750 in the 11-limit. It has a generator tuned around 49/44. It may be described as the 58 & 103 temperament, and as one might expect, 25\161 makes for an excellent tuning choice.
In addition to 2401/2400, mintone tempers out 177147/175000 ({{monzo| -3 11 -5 -1 }}) in the 7-limit; [[243/242]], [[441/440]], and [[43923/43750]] in the 11-limit. It may be described as the {{nowrap| 58 & 103 }} temperament. It has a generator of [[~]][[10/9]], tuned to around [[49/44]]. Note that in the data below, the generator is its [[octave complement]], ~[[9/5]], so that 22 of them [[octave reduction|octave reduced]] give the [[3/2|perfect fifth]]. Its [[ploidacot]] is 18-sheared 22-cot. As one might expect, 25\161 makes for an excellent tuning choice.


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== Hemigoldis ==
== Hemigoldis ==
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Diaschismic–gothmic equivalence continuum #Goldis]].''
Hemigoldis may be described as the {{nowrap| 68 & 89 }} temperament. Though fairly complex in the [[7-limit]], it does a lot better in badness metrics than pure [[5-limit]] [[goldis]], and yet again has many possible extensions to higher primes. For example, two periods minus six generators yields a "tetracot second" which can be interpreted as ~[[21/19]] to add prime 19 or perhaps more accurately ~[[31/28]] to add prime 7, or even simply as ~[[32/29]] to add prime 29, though the other two have the benefit of clearly connecting to the 7-limit representation. Note that again [[89edo]] is a possible tuning for combining it with flat nestoria and not appearing in the optimal ET sequence.
 
Though fairly complex in the [[7-limit]], hemigoldis does a lot better in badness metrics than pure 5-limit goldis, and yet again has many possible extensions to other primes. For example, two periods minus six generators yields a "tetracot second" which can be interpreted as ~[[21/19]] to add prime 19 or perhaps more accurately ~[[31/28]] to add prime 7, or even simply as ~[[32/29]] to add prime 29, though the other two have the benefit of clearly connecting to the 7-limit representation. Note that again [[89edo]] is a possible tuning for combining it with flat nestoria and not appearing in the optimal ET sequence.


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== Surmarvelpyth ==
== Surmarvelpyth ==
''Surmarvelpyth'' is named for the generator fifth, 675/448 being 225/224 (marvel comma) sharp of 3/2. It can be described as the 311 & 431 temperament, starting with the 7-limit to the 19-limit.
Surmarvelpyth can be described as the {{nowrap| 311 & 431 }} temperament, starting with the 7-limit to the 19-limit. Its [[ploidacot]] is 28-sheared 70-cot. It was named by [[Eliora]] in 2022 for the generator fifth, 675/448 being 225/224 (marvel comma) sharp of 3/2.  


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