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Here are all [[meantone]] tunings that can be written in the form "n-comma meantone", where n is a fraction between -1 and 1 with a denominator 18 or smaller.  
Here are all [[meantone]] tunings that can be written in the form "n-comma meantone", where the syntonic comma ([[81/80]]) is being divided and n is a fraction between -1 and 1 with a denominator 22 or smaller.  


The comma being divided here is the syntonic comma ([[81/80]]).
Temperaments that fall outside of the "historically considered meantone", or even the diamond monotone, range will not provide most of the properties that meantone usually provides, but they are included for completeness.
 
Temperaments that fall outside of the "historically considered meantone" range will not provide most of the properties that meantone usually provides, but they are included for completeness.


== Scope ==
== Scope ==
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Dozens of tunings on this table are significant to [[negative harmony temperaments|negative harmony temperament theory]], enough that labelling them all individually would clutter the table.  
Dozens of tunings on this table are significant to [[negative harmony temperaments|negative harmony temperament theory]], enough that labelling them all individually would clutter the table.  


All tunings on this table are close to some arbitrarily large [[EDO]], but labelling them beyond [[100edo]] would clutter the table.
All tunings on this table are close (within 1/2 degree of closing) to some arbitrarily large [[EDO]], but labeling them beyond [[100edo]] would clutter the table.


== Flatter than flattest allowed historical meantone ==
== Flatter than flattest allowed historical meantone ==
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible"
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible"
|+ Spectrum of meantone tunings 1/1-comma to 9/17-comma
|+Spectrum of meantone tunings 1/1-comma to 11/21-comma
!Temperament!!Generator (cents)!!Comments
!Temperament!!Generator (cents)!!Comments
|-
|-
|[[1/1-comma meantone]]||680.449||Close to [[30edo]]
|[[1/1-comma meantone]]||680.449||Close to [[30edo]]
|-
|[[20/21-comma meantone]]
|681.473
|Close to [[37edo]].
|-
|[[19/20-comma meantone]]
|681.524
|
|-
|[[18/19-comma meantone]]
|681.581
|
|-
|-
|[[17/18-comma meantone]]
|[[17/18-comma meantone]]
|681.644
|681.644
|Close to [[37edo]].
|
|-
|-
|[[16/17-comma meantone]]  
|[[16/17-comma meantone]]  
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|-
|-
|[[10/11-comma meantone]]||682.404||Close to [[51edo]]
|[[10/11-comma meantone]]||682.404||Close to [[51edo]]
|-
|[[19/21-comma meantone]]
|682.497
|
|-
|-
|[[9/10-comma meantone]]||682.599||  
|[[9/10-comma meantone]]||682.599||  
|-
|[[17/19-comma meantone]]
|682.713
|
|-
|-
|[[8/9-comma meantone]]||682.838||Close to [[58edo]]
|[[8/9-comma meantone]]||682.838||Close to [[58edo]]
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|-
|-
|[[6/7-comma meantone]]||683.521||Close to [[79edo]]
|[[6/7-comma meantone]]||683.521||Close to [[79edo]]
|-
|[[17/20-comma meantone]]
|683.675
|
|-
|-
|[[11/13-comma meantone]]||683.757||Close to [[86edo]]
|[[11/13-comma meantone]]||683.757||Close to [[86edo]]
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|[[13/16-comma meantone]]||684.481||  
|[[13/16-comma meantone]]||684.481||  
|-
|-
|[[4/5-comma meantone]]||684.75||  
|[[17/21-comma meantone]]
|684.545
|
|-
|[[4/5-comma meantone]]||684.750||
|-
|[[15/19-comma meantone]]
|684.976
|
|-
|-
|[[11/14-comma meantone]]||685.057||  
|[[11/14-comma meantone]]||685.057||  
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|[[13/17-comma meantone]]
|[[13/17-comma meantone]]
|685.509
|685.509
|
|-
|[[16/21-comma meantone]]
|685.569
|Everything up to this point generates 9 and 16 tone MOS scales.
|Everything up to this point generates 9 and 16 tone MOS scales.
|-
|-
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|-
|-
|[[3/4-comma meantone]]||685.825||Everything from this point onwards generates 12 and 19 tone MOS scales.
|[[3/4-comma meantone]]||685.825||Everything from this point onwards generates 12 and 19 tone MOS scales.
|-
|[[14/19-comma meantone]]
|686.108
|
|-
|-
|[[11/15-comma meantone]]||686.184||
|[[11/15-comma meantone]]||686.184||
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|-
|-
|[[11/16-comma meantone]]||687.169||  
|[[11/16-comma meantone]]||687.169||  
|-
|[[13/19-comma meantone]]
|687.240
|
|-
|-
|[[2/3-comma meantone]]||687.617||Close to [[89edo]]
|[[2/3-comma meantone]]||687.617||Close to [[89edo]]
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|-
|-
|[[7/11-comma meantone]]||688.269||Close to [[68edo]]
|[[7/11-comma meantone]]||688.269||Close to [[68edo]]
|-
|[[12/19-comma meantone]]
|688.372
|
|-
|-
|[[5/8-comma meantone]]||688.514||Close to [[61edo]]
|[[5/8-comma meantone]]||688.514||Close to [[61edo]]
|-
|-
|[[Golden ratio comma meantone]]
|[[13/21-comma meantone]]
|688.641
|
|-
|[[Golden ratio-comma meantone]]
|688.663
|688.663
|
|
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|-
|-
|[[7/12-comma meantone]]||689.410||Close to [[47edo]]
|[[7/12-comma meantone]]||689.410||Close to [[47edo]]
|-
|[[11/19-comma meantone]]
|689.504
|
|-
|-
|[[4/7-comma meantone]]||689.666||Close to [[87edo]]
|[[4/7-comma meantone]]||689.666||Close to [[87edo]]
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|-
|-
|[[5/9-comma meantone]]||690.007||Close to [[40edo]]
|[[5/9-comma meantone]]||690.007||Close to [[40edo]]
|-
|[[11/20-comma meantone]]
|690.127
|
|-
|-
|[[6/11-comma meantone]]||690.224||  
|[[6/11-comma meantone]]||690.224||  
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|[[9/17-comma meantone]]
|[[9/17-comma meantone]]
|690.569
|690.569
|
|-
|[[10/19-comma meantone]]
|690.636
|
|-
|[[11/21-comma meantone]]
|690.690
|Close to [[33edo]]
|Close to [[33edo]]
|}
|}
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== Historically considered meantone ==
== Historically considered meantone ==
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible"
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible"
|+ Spectrum of meantone tunings 1/2-comma to 1/18-comma
|+Spectrum of meantone tunings 1/2-comma to 1/22-comma
!Temperament!!Generator (cents)!!Comments
!Temperament!!Generator (cents)!!Comments
|-
|-
|[[1/2-comma meantone]]||691.202||Close to [[92edo]], [[59edo]]. Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]). Everything up to this point does not meet the original historical definition of meantone (the whole tone being between 10/9 and 9/8).
|[[1/2-comma meantone]]||691.202||Close to [[92edo]], [[59edo]]. Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]). Everything up to this point does not meet the original historical definition of meantone (the whole tone being between 10/9 and 9/8).
|-
|[[10/21-comma meantone]]
|691.714
|
|-
|[[9/19-comma meantone]]
|691.768
|Close to [[85edo]]
|-
|-
|[[8/17-comma meantone]]
|[[8/17-comma meantone]]
|691.834
|691.834
|Close to [[85edo]]
|
|-
|-
|[[7/15-comma meantone]]||691.919||
|[[7/15-comma meantone]]||691.919||
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|[[5/11-comma meantone]]||692.179||  
|[[5/11-comma meantone]]||692.179||  
|-
|-
|[[4/9-comma meantone]]||692.397||Close to [[26edo]]
|[[9/20-comma meantone]]
|692.277
|Close to [[26edo]]
|-
|[[4/9-comma meantone]]||692.397||
|-
|-
|[[7/16-comma meantone]]||692.546||  
|[[7/16-comma meantone]]||692.546||  
|-
|-
|[[3/7-comma meantone]]||692.738||  
|[[3/7-comma meantone]]||692.738||  
|-
|[[8/19-comma meantone]]
|692.899
|
|-
|-
|[[5/12-comma meantone]]||692.994||Close to [[71edo]]
|[[5/12-comma meantone]]||692.994||Close to [[71edo]]
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|[[5/13-comma meantone]]||693.683||
|[[5/13-comma meantone]]||693.683||
|-
|-
|[[Split Golden ratio comma meantone]]
|[[Split Golden ratio-comma meantone]]
|693.740
|693.740
|Close to [[64edo]]
|Close to [[64edo]]
|-
|[[8/21-comma meantone]]
|693.762
|
|-
|-
|[[3/8-comma meantone]]||693.890||Close to [[83edo]]
|[[3/8-comma meantone]]||693.890||Close to [[83edo]]
|-
|[[7/19-comma meantone]]
|694.032
|
|-
|-
|[[4/11-comma meantone]]||694.134||Almost exactly 1/3-''Pythagorean'' comma meantone
|[[4/11-comma meantone]]||694.134||Almost exactly 1/3-''Pythagorean'' comma meantone
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|-
|-
|[[1/3-comma meantone]]||694.786||Close to [[19edo]]. Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]).
|[[1/3-comma meantone]]||694.786||Close to [[19edo]]. Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]).
|-
|[[6/19-comma meantone]]
|695.164
|
|-
|-
|[[5/16-comma meantone]]||695.234||  
|[[5/16-comma meantone]]||695.234||  
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|[[4/13-comma meantone]]||695.338||  
|[[4/13-comma meantone]]||695.338||  
|-
|-
|[[3/10-comma meantone]]||695.503||Close to [[88edo]]
|[[3/10-comma meantone]]||695.503||Close to [[88edo]] and [[Lucy tuning]]. Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]).
|-
|-
|[[5/17-comma meantone]]||695.630||Close to [[69edo]].
|[[5/17-comma meantone]]||695.630||Close to [[69edo]].
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|[[2/7-comma meantone]]||695.810||Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]).
|[[2/7-comma meantone]]||695.810||Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]).
|-
|-
|[[5/18-comma meantone]]||695.981||Close to [[50edo]]. Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]).
|[[5/18-comma meantone]]||695.981||Close to [[50edo]].  
|-
|-
|[[3/11-comma meantone]]||696.090||
|[[3/11-comma meantone]]||696.090||
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|[[7/26-comma meantone]]||696.165||Close to [[golden meantone]]. Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]).
|[[7/26-comma meantone]]||696.165||Close to [[golden meantone]]. Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]).
|-
|-
|[[4/15-comma meantone]]||696.220||Close to [[81edo]], close to [[golden meantone]]
|[[4/15-comma meantone]]||696.220||
|-
|[[5/19-comma meantone]]
|696.295
|Close to [[81edo]].
|-
|-
|[[Quarter-comma meantone|1/4-comma meantone]]||696.578||Close to [[31edo]]. Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]).
|[[Quarter-comma meantone|1/4-comma meantone]]||696.578||Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]).
|-
|[[5/21-comma meantone]]
|696.834
|Close to [[31edo]].
|-
|-
|[[4/17-comma meantone]]||696.895||
|[[4/17-comma meantone]]||696.895||
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|-
|-
|[[3/14-comma meantone]]||697.346||Close to [[74edo]]. Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]).
|[[3/14-comma meantone]]||697.346||Close to [[74edo]]. Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]).
|-
|[[4/19-comma meantone]]
|697.427
|
|-
|-
|[[1/5-comma meantone]]||697.654||Close to [[43edo]]. Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]).
|[[1/5-comma meantone]]||697.654||Close to [[43edo]]. Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]).
|-
|[[4/21-comma meantone]]
|697.859
|
|-
|-
|[[3/16-comma meantone]]||697.923||  
|[[3/16-comma meantone]]||697.923||  
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|[[2/11-comma meantone]]||698.045||Close to [[55edo]]. Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]).
|[[2/11-comma meantone]]||698.045||Close to [[55edo]]. Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]).
|-
|-
|[[3/17-comma meantone]]||699.425||
|[[3/17-comma meantone]]||698.159||
|-
|-
|[[1/6-comma meantone]]||698.371||Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]).
|[[1/6-comma meantone]]||698.371||Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]). Everything up to this point has a fifth which is noticeably flat of [[Pythagorean tuning]].
|-
|-
|[[4/25-comma meantone]]||698.514||Close to [[67edo]].
|[[4/25-comma meantone]]||698.514||Close to [[67edo]].
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|-
|-
|[[2/13-comma meantone]]||698.646|| Close to [[79edo]].
|[[2/13-comma meantone]]||698.646|| Close to [[79edo]].
|-
|[[3/20-comma meantone]]
|698.729
|
|-
|-
|[[1/7-comma meantone]]||698.883||Close to [[91edo]]. Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]).
|[[1/7-comma meantone]]||698.883||Close to [[91edo]]. Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]]).
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|-
|-
|[[1/9-comma meantone]]||699.565||  
|[[1/9-comma meantone]]||699.565||  
|-
|[[2/19-comma meantone]]
|699.691
|
|-
|-
|[[1/10-comma meantone]]||699.804||  
|[[1/10-comma meantone]]||699.804||  
|-
|[[2/21-comma meantone]]
|699.907
|
|-
|-
|[[1/11-comma meantone]]||700.000||Everything up to this point generates 12 and 19 tone MOS scales.
|[[1/11-comma meantone]]||700.000||Everything up to this point generates 12 and 19 tone MOS scales.
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|-
|-
|[[1/18-comma meantone]]||700.760||  
|[[1/18-comma meantone]]||700.760||  
|-
|[[1/19-comma meantone]]
|700.823
|
|-
|[[1/20-comma meantone]]
|700.879
|
|-
|[[1/21-comma meantone]]
|700.931
|
|}
|}


== Negative-harmonic-defined meantone ==
== Negative-harmonic-defined meantone (synonymous with [[Superpyth]]) ==
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible"
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible"
|+ Spectrum of meantone tunings 0/1-comma to -8/17-comma
|+Spectrum of meantone tunings 0/1-comma to -10/21-comma
!Temperament!!Generator (cents)!!Comments
!Temperament!!Generator (cents)!!Comments
|-
|-
|0/1-comma meantone||701.955||[[Pythagorean tuning]]. Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]].)  Everything from this point onwards does not meet the original historical definition of meantone (the whole tone being between 10/9 and 9/8).
|[[Pythagorean tuning]]
|701.955||Historically significant (see [[historical temperaments]].)  Everything from this point onwards does not have a whole tone between 10/9 and 9/8.
|-
|[[-1/21-comma meantone]]
|702.979
|
|-
|[[-1/20-comma meantone]]
|703.030
|
|-
|[[-1/19-comma meantone]]
|703.087
|
|-
|-
|[[-1/18-comma meantone]]
|[[-1/18-comma meantone]]
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|703.910
|703.910
|About as sharp of [[Pythagorean tuning]] as [[12edo]] is flat.
|About as sharp of [[Pythagorean tuning]] as [[12edo]] is flat.
|-
|[[-2/21-comma meantone]]
|704.003
|Close to [[75edo]].
|-
|-
|[[-1/10-comma meantone]]
|[[-1/10-comma meantone]]
|704.105
|704.105
|
|-
|[[-2/19-comma meantone]]
|704.219
|
|
|-
|-
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|705.027
|705.027
|Close to [[80edo]].
|Close to [[80edo]].
|-
|[[-3/20-comma meantone]]
|705.181
|
|-
|-
|[[-2/13-comma meantone]]
|[[-2/13-comma meantone]]
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|[[-1/6-comma meantone]]
|[[-1/6-comma meantone]]
|705.538
|705.538
|  
| Everything from this point onwards has a fifth which is noticeably sharp of [[Pythagorean tuning]].
|-
|-
|[[-3/17-comma meantone]]
|[[-3/17-comma meantone]]
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|705.987
|705.987
|Everything from this point onwards generates 17 and 22 tone MOS scales.
|Everything from this point onwards generates 17 and 22 tone MOS scales.
|-
|[[-4/21-comma meantone]]
|706.051
|
|-
|-
|[[-1/5-comma meantone]]
|[[-1/5-comma meantone]]
|706.256
|706.256
|About as sharp of [[Pythagorean tuning]] as [[43edo]] is flat.
|About as sharp of [[Pythagorean tuning]] as [[43edo]] is flat.
|-
|[[-4/19 comma meantone]]
|706.483
|
|-
|-
|[[-3/14-comma meantone]]
|[[-3/14-comma meantone]]
|706.563
|706.563
|  
| About as sharp of [[Pythagorean tuning]] as [[74edo]] is flat.
|-
|-
|[[-2/9-comma meantone]]
|[[-2/9-comma meantone]]
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|[[-3/13-comma meantone]]
|[[-3/13-comma meantone]]
|706.918
|706.918
|
|Close to [[39edo]].
|-
|-
|[[-4/17-comma meantone]]
|[[-4/17-comma meantone]]
|707.015
|707.015
|About as sharp of [[Pythagorean tuning]] as [[74edo]] is flat.
|
|-
|[[-5/21-comma meantone]]
|707.076
|About as sharp of [[Pythagorean tuning]] as [[31edo]] is flat.
|-
|-
|[[Negative Quarter-comma meantone]]
|[[Negative Quarter-comma meantone]]
|707.332
|707.332
|
|-
|[[-5/19-comma meantone]]
|707.615
|
|
|-
|-
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|[[-3/10-comma meantone]]
|[[-3/10-comma meantone]]
|708.407
|708.407
|About as sharp of [[Pythagorean tuning]] as [[Lucy tuning]] is flat. Nearly as sharp of [[Pythagorean tuning]] as [[88edo]] is flat.
|Nearly as sharp of [[Pythagorean tuning]] as [[Lucy tuning]] is flat. Nearly as sharp of [[Pythagorean tuning]] as [[88edo]] is flat.
|-
|-
|[[-4/13-comma meantone]]
|[[-4/13-comma meantone]]
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|708.675
|708.675
|  
|  
|-
|[[-6/19-comma meantone]]
|708.746
|
|-
|-
|[[-1/3-comma meantone]]
|[[-1/3-comma meantone]]
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|709.775
|709.775
|Almost exactly -1/3-''Pythagorean'' comma meantone.
|Almost exactly -1/3-''Pythagorean'' comma meantone.
|-
|[[-7/19-comma meantone]]
|709.878
|
|-
|-
|[[-3/8-comma meantone]]
|[[-3/8-comma meantone]]
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|
|
|-
|-
|[[Negative Split Golden ratio comma meantone]]
|[[-8/21-comma meantone]]
|710.148
|
|-
|[[Negative Split Golden ratio-comma meantone]]
|710.170
|710.170
|
|
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|[[-5/12-comma meantone]]
|[[-5/12-comma meantone]]
|710.915
|710.915
|
|-
|[[-8/19-comma meantone]]
|711.010
|
|
|-
|-
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|[[-4/9-comma meantone]]
|[[-4/9-comma meantone]]
|711.513
|711.513
|
|-
|[[-9/20-comma meantone]]
|711.633
|
|
|-
|-
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|[[-8/17-comma meantone]]
|[[-8/17-comma meantone]]
|712.075
|712.075
|
|-
|[[-9/19-comma meantone]]
|712.142
|
|-
|[[-10/21-comma meantone]]
|712.196
|
|
|}
|}
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|712.708
|712.708
|Close to [[32edo]]. Everything from this point onwards does not meet the negative harmonic definition of meantone (the whole tone being between 9/8 and 729/640).
|Close to [[32edo]]. Everything from this point onwards does not meet the negative harmonic definition of meantone (the whole tone being between 9/8 and 729/640).
|-
|[[-11/21-comma meantone]]
|713.220
|
|-
|[[-10/19-comma meantone]]
|713.274
|
|-
|-
|[[-9/17-comma meantone]]
|[[-9/17-comma meantone]]
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|[[-6/11-comma meantone]]
|[[-6/11-comma meantone]]
|713.686
|713.686
|
|-
|[[-11/20-comma meantone]]
|713.783
|
|
|-
|-
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|714.244
|714.244
|Close to [[42edo]].
|Close to [[42edo]].
|-
|[[-11/19-comma meantone]]
|714.406
|
|-
|-
|[[-7/12-comma meantone]]
|[[-7/12-comma meantone]]
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|
|
|-
|-
|[[Negative Golden ratio comma meantone]]
|[[Negative Golden ratio-comma meantone]]
|715.247
|
|
|-
|[[-13/21-comma meantone]]
|715.268
|
|
|-
|-
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|715.396
|715.396
|Close to [[52edo]].
|Close to [[52edo]].
|-
|[[-12/19-comma meantone]]
|715.538
|
|-
|-
|[[-7/11-comma meantone]]
|[[-7/11-comma meantone]]
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|[[-11/15-comma meantone]]
|[[-11/15-comma meantone]]
|717.726
|717.726
|
|-
|[[-14/19-comma meantone]]
|717.802
|
|
|-
|-
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|718.085
|718.085
|About as sharp of [[Pythagorean tuning]] as [[7edo]] is flat.
|About as sharp of [[Pythagorean tuning]] as [[7edo]] is flat.
|-
|[[-16/21-comma meantone]]
|718.341
|
|-
|-
|[[-13/17-comma meantone]]
|[[-13/17-comma meantone]]
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|[[-11/14-comma meantone]]
|[[-11/14-comma meantone]]
|718.853
|718.853
|
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