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== Overview by mapping of 5 ==
== Overview by mapping of 5 ==
Classified by focusing on the mapping of 5th harmonic, similar to [[Rank-2 temperaments by mapping of 3]].
Classified by focusing on the mapping of 5th harmonic, similar to [[Rank-2 temperaments by mapping of 3]].
 
* For no-fives, see [[#No-threes no-fives subgroup temperaments]].
* For no-fives, see [[#No-threes-or-fives subgroup temperaments]].
* French decimal and trader have a ~2/1 period and ~5/4 generator. There is a one-to-one correspondence between the 2.5 subgroup and mapped intervals.
* French decimal and trader have a ~2/1 period and ~5/4 generator. There is a one-to-one correspondence between the 2.5 subgroup and mapped intervals.
* Ostara, movila and vengeance have variantly expressed generators, three of which give the ~5/2.
* Ostara, movila and vengeance have variantly expressed generators, three of which give the ~5/2.
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Others have a more complex mapping of 5.
Others have a more complex mapping of 5.


== 2.5.7 temperaments ==
== Temperaments with a 2.5.7 gene ==
 
Temperaments discussed elsewhere include
Temperaments discussed elsewhere include
* Jubilic ([[50/49]]) → [[Jubilismic clan #Jubilic|Jubilismic clan]]
* Jubilic ([[50/49]]) → [[Jubilismic clan #Jubilic|Jubilismic clan]]
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* Mercy ([[823543/819200]]) → [[Quince clan #Mercy|Quince clan]]
* Mercy ([[823543/819200]]) → [[Quince clan #Mercy|Quince clan]]
* Llywelyn a.k.a. shoe ([[4194304/4117715]]) → [[Llywelynsmic clan #Llywelyn a.k.a. shoe|Llywelynsmic clan]]
* Llywelyn a.k.a. shoe ([[4194304/4117715]]) → [[Llywelynsmic clan #Llywelyn a.k.a. shoe|Llywelynsmic clan]]
* Sidewalk ([[823543/800000]]) → [[2023/2000#Sidewalk]]
* Sidewalk ([[823543/800000]]) → [[2023/2000 #Sidewalk]]
 
=== Frostburn ===
=== Frostburn ===
{{See also| Magic family #Quadrimage | Subgroup temperaments #Baldy }}
{{See also| Magic family #Quadrimage | Subgroup temperaments #Baldy }}
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{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 3 4 | 0 -4 -7 }}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 3 4 | 0 -4 -7 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~28/25


: Sval mapping generators: ~2, ~28/25
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[TE tuning|TE]]): ~2 = 1200.3479{{c}}, ~28/25 = 204.3389{{c}}
 
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[TE tuning|TE]]): ~2/1 = 1200.3479, ~28/25 = 204.3389


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 6, 29, 35, 41, 47 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 6, 29, 35, 41, 47 }}
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[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.886
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.886


==== 2.5.7.11 ====
==== 2.5.7.11 subgroup ====
Subgroup: 2.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.5.7.11


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{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 3 4 5 | 0 -4 -7 -9 }}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 3 4 5 | 0 -4 -7 -9 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~28/25


: Sval mapping generators: ~2, ~28/25
Optimal tuning (TE): ~2 = 1200.6817{{c}}, ~28/25 = 205.0745{{c}}
 
Optimal tuning (TE): ~2/1 = 1200.6817, ~28/25 = 205.0745


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 6, 23de, 29, 35, 41 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 6, 23de, 29, 35, 41 }}
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=== Mabilic ===
=== Mabilic ===
{{See also| Chromatic pairs #Mabilic }}{{Main|Mabilic and trismegistus}}Given below is the no-three version of [[Mavila family#Armodue|armodue]], [[Mabila family#Semabila|semabila]], and [[Magic family#Trismegistus|trismegistus]]. It is the 7 & 9 temperament in the [[2.5.7 subgroup]], and tempers out [[1071875/1048576]], the mabilisma.
{{Main| Mabilic and trismegistus}}
{{See also| Chromatic pairs #Mabilic }}
 
Mabilic is the no-3 [[restriction]] of [[mavila family #Armodue|armodue]], [[mabila family #Semabila|semabila]], and [[magic family #Trismegistus|trismegistus]]. It is the 7 & 9 temperament in the [[2.5.7 subgroup]], and tempers out [[1071875/1048576]], the mabilisma.


[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.7
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{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 1 5 | 0 0 3 -5 }}
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 1 5 | 0 0 3 -5 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~175/128


: [[gencom]]: [2 175/128; 1071875/1048576]
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~175/128 = 527.236{{c}}
 
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~175/128 = 527.236


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 9, 16, 25, 41, 66, 305bc }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 9, 16, 25, 41, 66, 305bc }}
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=== Rainy ===
=== Rainy ===
Three generators make an [[8/7]]; five generators make a [[5/4]]. This is the no-threes version of [[tertiaseptal]] (and [[valentine]]). Rainy is notable theoretically as it equates ([[2/1]])/([[5/4]])<sup>3</sup> (128/125, the lesser diesis) with ([[2/1]])/([[8/7]])<sup>5</sup> (the 2.7-subgroup [[cloudy comma]], which is similar to the 2.5-subgroup lesser diesis in that tempering it out tunes the 8/7 about 8.8{{cent}} sharp, while tempering out 128/125 similarly sharpens the 5/4 by about 13.7{{cent}}). By tempering out their difference, stacked 5s and stacked 7s become easier to navigate, using the general-purpose diesis to simplify clusters. (Note that this analysis assumes a [[lattice]]-based conceptualization of [[JI]] which is often called "stacking-based"; see [[taxonomies of xen approaches]].)
In rainy, three generators make an [[8/7]]; five generators make a [[5/4]]. It is the no-3's [[restriction]] of [[tertiaseptal]] (and [[valentine]]), notable theoretically as it equates ([[2/1]])/([[5/4]])<sup>3</sup> (128/125, the lesser diesis) with ([[2/1]])/([[8/7]])<sup>5</sup> (the 2.7-subgroup [[cloudy comma]], which is similar to the 2.5-subgroup lesser diesis in that tempering it out tunes the 8/7 about 8.8{{cent}} sharp, while tempering out 128/125 similarly sharpens the 5/4 by about 13.7{{cent}}). By tempering out their difference, stacked 5's and stacked 7's become easier to navigate, using the general-purpose diesis to simplify clusters.  


A highly notable tuning of rainy not shown here is [[311edo]], which is 140+171 so tuned between them.
A highly notable tuning of rainy not shown here is [[311edo]], which is 140 + 171 so tuned between them.


[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.7
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[[Comma list]]: [[2100875/2097152]]
[[Comma list]]: [[2100875/2097152]]


[[Sval]] [[mapping]]: [{{val| 1 2 3 }}, {{val| 0 5 -3 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 2 3 | 0 5 -3 }}


[[Gencom]]: [2 256/245; 2100875/2097152]
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 2 3 | 0 0 5 -3 }}


[[Gencom]] [[mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 2 3 }}, {{val| 0 0 5 -3 }}]
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~256/245 = 77.205{{c}}
 
Optimal tuning ([[POTE]]): ~256/245 = 77.205


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 31, 47, 78, 109, 140, 171, 202, 233 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 31, 47, 78, 109, 140, 171, 202, 233 }}
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Conceived upon the fact that 1789edo has an excellent 5/4, and uses it as the generator. This rings particularly true for the French attempts to decimalize a lot more things than we are used to today. Using the maximal evenness method of finding rank-2 temperaments, a 1525 & 1789 temperament is obtained.
Conceived upon the fact that 1789edo has an excellent 5/4, and uses it as the generator. This rings particularly true for the French attempts to decimalize a lot more things than we are used to today. Using the maximal evenness method of finding rank-2 temperaments, a 1525 & 1789 temperament is obtained.


Subgroup: 2.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.7


Comma basis: {{monzo|372 -159 -1}}
[[Comma list]]: {{monzo| 372 -159 -1 }}


Sval mapping: [{{val|1 2 54}}, {{val|0 1 -159}}]
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 2 54 | 0 1 -159 }}


Optimal tuning (CTE): ~5/4 = 386.360
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~5/4 = 386.360{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1|205, 264, 469, 733, 997, 1261, 1525, 1789}}, ...
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 205, 264, 469, 733, 997, 1261, 1525, 1789 }}


[[Badness]] (Sintel): 148.6
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 148.6
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Subgroup: 2.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.5.7.11


Comma basis: {{monzo|-49 8 17 -5}}, {{monzo|45 -27 10 -3}}
Comma list: {{monzo| -49 8 17 -5 }}, {{monzo| 45 -27 10 -3 }}


Sval mapping: [{{val| 1 2 54 -177}}, {{val|0 1 -159 -539}}]
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 54 -177 | 0 1 -159 -539 }}


Optimal tuning (CTE): ~5/4 = 386.361
Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~5/4 = 386.361{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0|264, 733}}, ...
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 264, 733, … }}


Badness (Sintel): 52.150
Badness (Sintel): 52.150
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Comma basis: 28824005/28792192, 200126927/200000000, 6106906624/6103515625
Comma basis: 28824005/28792192, 200126927/200000000, 6106906624/6103515625


Sval mapping: [{{val| 1 2 54 -177 52}}, {{val|0 1 -159 -539 173}}]
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 54 -177 52 | 0 1 -159 -539 173 }}


Optimal tuning (CTE): ~5/4 = 386.361
Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~5/4 = 386.361{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0|1525, 1789}}, ...
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 1525, 1789, … }}


Badness (Sintel): 10.518
Badness (Sintel): 10.518
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{{Main| Bastille }}
{{Main| Bastille }}


Described as the 2.5.7 subgroup 1407 & 1789 temperament, and named after an [[wikipedia:Storming of the Bastille|eponymous historical event]] which took place on July 14, 1789 (14/07/1789). Extensions discussed elsewhere include [[The Jacobins#Double bastille|double bastille]].
Bastille is described as the 2.5.7-subgroup 1407 & 1789 temperament, and named after an [[Wikipedia: Storming of the Bastille|eponymous historical event]] which took place on July 14, 1789 (14/07/1789). Extensions discussed elsewhere include [[The Jacobins#Double bastille|double bastille]].


Subgroup: 2.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.7


Comma list: {{Monzo|1426 -596 -15}}
[[Comma list]]: {{monzo| 1426 -596 -15 }}


Sval mapping: [{{Val|1 -4 254}}, {{Val|0 -15 596}}]
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 -4 254 | 0 -15 596 }}


Optimal tuning (CTE): ~{{Monzo|381 0 -159 -4}} = 694.243
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~{{monzo| 381 0 -159 -4 }} = 694.243{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1|382, 1025, 1407, 1789, 3196}}, ...
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 382, 1025, 1407, 1789, 3196, … }}


[[Badness]] (Sintel): 7224.3
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 7224.3
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{{Mapping|legend=2| 3 7 0 2 | 0 0 1 1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 3 7 0 2 | 0 0 1 1 }}


{{Mapping|legend=3| 3 0 7 9 11| 0 0 0 -1 -1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=3| 3 0 7 9 11 | 0 0 0 -1 -1 }}
: mapping generators: ~5/4, ~8/7


: [[gencom]]: [5/4 8/7; 56/55 128/125]
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~5/4 = 400.000{{c}}, ~8/7 = 228.275{{c}}
 
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~5/4 = 1\3, ~8/7 = 228.275


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 3, 6, 9, 15, 21 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 3, 6, 9, 15, 21 }}
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=== Ostara ===
=== Ostara ===
'''Ostara''' is a temperament that is derived from 93 & 524 solar calendar leap rule scale. It was initially defined by taking the 2.7.13.17.19 subgroup, but it can also be intepreted in general no-threes 19-limit.  
Ostara is a temperament that is derived from 93 & 524 solar calendar leap rule scale. It was initially defined by taking the 2.7.13.17.19 subgroup, but it can also be intepreted in general no-threes 19-limit.  


Ostara can also refer to a collection of temperaments which temper out 16807/16796.
Ostara can also refer to a collection of temperaments which temper out 16807/16796.{{clarify}}


[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.7.11
[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.7.11
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[[Comma list]]: 8589934592/8544921875, 53710650917/53687091200
[[Comma list]]: 8589934592/8544921875, 53710650917/53687091200


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 1 20 -49 }}, {{val| 0 3 -39 119 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 1 20 -49 | 0 3 -39 119 }}


[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
* [[CTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000¢, ~5120/3773 = 529.003¢
* [[CTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~5120/3773 = 529.003{{c}}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.000¢, ~5120/3773 = 529.004¢
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~5120/3773 = 529.004{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 93, 431, 338, 524 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 93, 431, 338, 524 }}
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Comma list: 1001/1000, 34420736/34328125, 5670699008/5661858125
Comma list: 1001/1000, 34420736/34328125, 5670699008/5661858125


Sval Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 20 -49 35 }}, {{val| 0 3 -39 119 -71 }}]
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 20 -49 35 | 0 3 -39 119 -71 }}


Optimal tunings:  
Optimal tunings:  
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000¢, ~1664/1225 = 529.003¢
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~1664/1225 = 529.003{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000¢, ~1664/1225 = 529.003¢
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~1664/1225 = 529.003{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 93, 245e, 338, 431, 1386c }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 93, 245e, 338, 431, 1386c }}
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Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13.17


Sval Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 20 -49 35 42 }}, {{val| 0 3 -39 119 -71 -86 }}]
Comma list: 1001/1000, 32768/32725, 147968/147875, 537824/537251


Comma list: 1001/1000, 32768/32725, 147968/147875, 537824/537251
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 20 -49 35 42 | 0 3 -39 119 -71 -86 }}


Optimal tunings:  
Optimal tunings:  
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000¢, ~1664/1225 = 529.005¢
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~1664/1225 = 529.005{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000¢, ~1664/1225 = 529.005¢
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~1664/1225 = 529.005{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 93, 338, 431, 955c, 1386cg }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 93, 338, 431, 955c, 1386cg }}
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Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13.17.19
Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13.17.19


Sval Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 20 -49 35 42 21 }}, {{val| 0 3 -39 119 -71 -86 -38 }}]
Comma list: 1001/1000, 2128/2125, 3328/3325, 16807/16796, 147968/147875


Comma list: 1001/1000, 2128/2125, 3328/3325, 16807/16796, 147968/147875
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 20 -49 35 42 21 | 0 3 -39 119 -71 -86 -38 }}


Optimal tunings:  
Optimal tunings:  
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000¢, ~19/14 = 529.006¢
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~19/14 = 529.006{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000¢, ~19/14 = 529.005¢
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~19/14 = 529.005{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 93, 338, 431 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 93, 338, 431 }}
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=== Tricesimoprimal miracloid ===
=== Tricesimoprimal miracloid ===
{{See also|Tricesimoprimal miracloid/Eliora's approach|l1=Eliora's approach to tricesimoprimal miracloid}}
{{See also| Tricesimoprimal miracloid/Eliora's approach }}
Described as the 52 & 1789 temperament in the 2.5.7.11.19.29.31 subgroup, with harmonics specifically selected for 52edo and 1789edo. Its generator is [[31/29]], which is also close to the secor. Since it is conceived as the temperament in the above specific subgroup, it makes no sense to name it for smaller subgroups. In terms of microtempering, a circle of 52 generators is essentially a barely noticeable [[well temperament]] for 52edo.
 
Tricesimoprimal miracloid is described as the 52 & 1789 temperament in the 2.5.7.11.19.29.31 subgroup, with harmonics specifically selected for 52edo and 1789edo. Its generator is [[31/29]], which is also close to the secor. Since it is conceived as the temperament in the above specific subgroup, it makes no sense to name it for smaller subgroups. In terms of microtempering, a circle of 52 generators is essentially a barely noticeable [[well temperament]] for 52edo.


Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.19.29.31
Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.19.29.31
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Comma list: 10241/10240, 5858783/5856400, 4093705/4090624, 15109493/15089800, 102942875/102834688
Comma list: 10241/10240, 5858783/5856400, 4093705/4090624, 15109493/15089800, 102942875/102834688


Sval Mapping: [{{val| 1 419 48 177 157 624 625 }}, {{val| 0 -461 -50 -192 -169 -685 -686 }}]
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 419 48 177 157 624 625 | 0 -461 -50 -192 -169 -685 -686 }}


Optimal tuning (CTE): ~58/31 = 1084.628
Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~58/31 = 1084.628{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 52, 1737, 1789 }}, ...
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 52, 1737, 1789, … }}


=== Huntington ===
=== Huntington ===
{{See also| Chromatic pairs #Huntington }}
{{See also| Chromatic pairs #Huntington }}


Huntington may be described as the 10 &amp; 27 temperament in the 2.5.7.13 subgroup.  
Huntington may be described as the 10 & 27 temperament in the 2.5.7.13 subgroup.  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.7.13
[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.7.13
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{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 5 4 0 4 | 0 0 -9 -4 0 -1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 5 4 0 4 | 0 0 -9 -4 0 -1 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~16/13


: [[gencom]]: [2 16/13; 640/637 10985/10976]
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~16/13 = 357.002{{c}}
 
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~16/13 = 357.002


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 10, 17, 27, 37, 84, 121, 279cd, 400cd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 10, 17, 27, 37, 84, 121, 279cd, 400cd }}
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{{See also| Chromatic pairs #Silver }}
{{See also| Chromatic pairs #Silver }}


Silver can be described as the 10 &amp; 27 temperament in the 2.5.7.13.17 subgroup.  
Silver can be described as the 10 & 27 temperament in the 2.5.7.13.17 subgroup.  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.7.13.17
[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.7.13.17
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{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 -4 0 0 3 9 | 0 0 9 4 0 1 -7 }}
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 -4 0 0 3 9 | 0 0 9 4 0 1 -7 }}


: [[gencom]]: [2 13/8; 170/169 640/637 5525/5488]
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~13/8 = 842.711{{c}}
 
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~13/8 = 842.711


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 10, 17, 27, 37, 47, 84, 131, 178e, 309cde, 487bcdee }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 10, 17, 27, 37, 47, 84, 131, 178e, 309cde, 487bcdee }}
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{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 0 -3 | 0 1 0 4 | 0 0 1 -1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 0 -3 | 0 1 0 4 | 0 0 1 -1 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~5, ~11
: mapping generators: ~2, ~5, ~11


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[TE tuning|TE]]): ~2/1 = 1200.6544, ~5/4 = 380.3004, ~11/8 = 551.9653
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[TE tuning|TE]]): ~2 = 1200.6544{{c}}, ~5/4 = 380.3004{{c}}, ~11/8 = 551.9653{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 6, 16, 22, 28, 29, 35, 41, 57, 63, 98c }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 6, 16, 22, 28, 29, 35, 41, 57, 63, 98c }}
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{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 2 0 | 0 1 1 1 | 0 0 -4 3 }}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 2 0 | 0 1 1 1 | 0 0 -4 3 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~5, ~100/77
: mapping generators: ~2, ~5, ~100/77


[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.080¢, ~5 = 2786.820¢, ~100/77 = 454.618¢
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.080{{c}}, ~5 = 2786.820{{c}}, ~100/77 = 454.618{{c}}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.000¢, ~5 = 2786.740¢, ~100/77 = 454.590¢
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~5 = 2786.740{{c}}, ~100/77 = 454.590{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 16, 21, 29, 37, 50, 58, 66, 87, 103, 124 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 16, 21, 29, 37, 50, 58, 66, 87, 103, 124 }}
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Comma list: 847/845, 1001/1000
Comma list: 847/845, 1001/1000


Sval mapping: {{Mapping| 1 0 2 0 1 | 0 1 1 1 1 | 0 0 -4 3 1 }}
Subgroup-val mapping: {{Mapping| 1 0 2 0 1 | 0 1 1 1 1 | 0 0 -4 3 1 }}


Optimal tunings:  
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1200.034¢, ~5 = 2786.678¢, ~13/10 = 454.569¢
* WE: ~2 = 1200.034{{c}}, ~5 = 2786.678{{c}}, ~13/10 = 454.569{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000¢, ~5 = 2786.646¢, ~13/10 = 454.557¢
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~5 = 2786.646{{c}}, ~13/10 = 454.557{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 16, 21, 29, 37, 50, 58, 66, 87, 103, 124 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 16, 21, 29, 37, 50, 58, 66, 87, 103, 124 }}
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Comma list: 170/169, 221/220, 847/845
Comma list: 170/169, 221/220, 847/845


Sval mapping: {{Mapping| 1 0 2 0 1 1 | 0 1 1 1 1 1 | 0 0 -4 3 1 2 }}
Subgroup-val mapping: {{Mapping| 1 0 2 0 1 1 | 0 1 1 1 1 1 | 0 0 -4 3 1 2 }}


Optimal tunings:  
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1200.407¢, ~5 = 2787.484¢, ~13/10 = 455.036¢
* WE: ~2 = 1200.407{{c}}, ~5 = 2787.484{{c}}, ~13/10 = 455.036{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000¢, ~5 = 2787.107¢, ~13/10 = 454.906¢
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~5 = 2787.107{{c}}, ~13/10 = 454.906{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 16, 21, 29g, 37, 50, 58, 66g, 87g }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 16, 21, 29g, 37, 50, 58, 66g, 87g }}
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Badness (Sintel): 0.438
Badness (Sintel): 0.438


== Higher 2.5 temperaments ==
== Temperaments with a higher 2.5.''p'' gene ==
 
Temperaments discussed elsewhere include:
Temperaments discussed elsewhere include:
* Jacobin superfamily ([[6656/6655]]) → [[The Jacobins]]
* Jacobin superfamily ([[6656/6655]]) → [[The Jacobins]]
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[[Comma list]]: 1331/1280
[[Comma list]]: 1331/1280


[[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 1 3}}, {{val|0 3 1}}]
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 1 3 | 0 3 1 }}


[[Optimal tuning]] (CTE): ~2 = 1/1, ~[[11/8]] = 529.846
[[Optimal tuning]] (CTE): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~11/8 = 529.846{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 9, 16, 25, 41e, 66ee }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 9, 16, 25, 41e, 66ee }}
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{{See also| Chromatic pairs #Wizz }}
{{See also| Chromatic pairs #Wizz }}


Wizz, the 6 &amp; 16 temperament in the 2.5.11 subgroup, is related to [[wizard]].  
Wizz, the 6 & 16 temperament in the 2.5.11 subgroup, is related to [[wizard]].  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.11
[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.11
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{{Mapping|legend=3| 2 0 4 0 5 | 0 0 1 0 3 }}
{{Mapping|legend=3| 2 0 4 0 5 | 0 0 1 0 3 }}
: mapping generators: ~125/88, ~5/4


: [[gencom]]: [125/88 5/4; 15625/15488]
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~125/88 = 600.000{{c}}, ~5/4 = 383.768{{c}}
 
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~125/88 = 1\2, ~5/4 = 383.768


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 6, 16, 22, 28, 50, 122, 172, 222 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 6, 16, 22, 28, 50, 122, 172, 222 }}
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[[Comma list]]: 33275/32768
[[Comma list]]: 33275/32768


{{Mapping|legend=2|1 0 5|0 3 -2}}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 5 | 0 3 -2 }}
 
: mapping generators, ~2, ~55/32
: Mapping generators, ~2, ~[[55/32]]


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~[[55/32]] = 928.032
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~55/32 = 928.032{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1|9, 13, 22, 97e, 119e, 141e, 163e, 304ceee}}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 9, 13, 22, 97e, 119e, 141e, 163e, 304ceee }}


=== Sephiroth ===
=== Sephiroth ===
{{See also| Chromatic pairs #Sephiroth }}
{{See also| Chromatic pairs #Sephiroth }}


Sephiroth is the no-7 restriction of [[muggles]].  
Sephiroth is the no-7 [[restriction]] of [[muggles]].  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.11.13.17
[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.11.13.17
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{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 2 0 5 4 5 | 0 0 1 0 -5 -1 -3 }}
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 2 0 5 4 5 | 0 0 1 0 -5 -1 -3 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~5/4


: [[gencom]]: [2 5/4; 65/64 170/169 221/220]
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~5/4 = 372.236{{c}}
 
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~5/4 = 372.236


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 13, 16, 29 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 13, 16, 29 }}
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[[Comma list]]: [[26/25]]
[[Comma list]]: [[26/25]]


{{Mapping|legend=2|1 2 3|0 1 2}}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 2 3 | 0 1 2 }}
: mapping generators, ~2, ~5/4


: Mapping generators, ~2, ~[[5/4]]
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~5/4 = 407.079{{c}}


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~[[5/4]] = 407.079
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 3, 20c, 23c, 26c }}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1|3, 20c, 23c, 26c}}


=== Superquintal ===
=== Superquintal ===
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[[Comma list]]: 64000000/62748517
[[Comma list]]: 64000000/62748517


{{Mapping|legend=2|1 5 6|0 -7 -6}}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 5 6 | 0 -7 -6 }}
: mapping generators, ~2, ~13/10


: Mapping generators, ~2, ~13/10
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~13/10 = 459.281{{c}}


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~13/10 = 459.281
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8, 13, 21, 34, 81, 115 }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1|8, 13, 21, 34, 81, 115}}
== No-threes no-fives subgroup temperaments ==
 
== No-threes-or-fives subgroup temperaments ==
Temperaments discussed elsewhere include
Temperaments discussed elsewhere include
* Orgone → [[Orgonia #Orgone|Orgonia]]
* Orgone → [[Orgonia #Orgone|Orgonia]]
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{{See also| No-fives subgroup temperaments #Chrysanthemum }}
{{See also| No-fives subgroup temperaments #Chrysanthemum }}


Amaranthine is the high-accuracy 2.7.11 subgroup strong restriction of [[Gamelismic clan#11-limit 3|undecimal mothra]].
Amaranthine is the high-accuracy 2.7.11-subgroup strong [[restriction]] of [[Gamelismic clan #11-limit 3|undecimal mothra]].


[[Subgroup]]: 2.7.11
[[Subgroup]]: 2.7.11
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{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 2 -3 | 0 1 8 }}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 2 -3 | 0 1 8 }}


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~7/4 = 968.913
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~7/4 = 968.913{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 26, 83, 109, 135, 161, 296, 1641, 1937, 2233, 2529, 2825, 3121, 6538d, 9659d }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 26, 83, 109, 135, 161, 296, 1641, 1937, 2233, 2529, 2825, 3121, 6538d, 9659d }}
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{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 0 1 3 1| 0 0 0 4 1 6 }}
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 0 1 3 1| 0 0 0 4 1 6 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~11/8


: [[gencom]]: [2 11/8; 343/338 847/832]
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~11/8 = 540.099{{c}}
 
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~11/8 = 540.099


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 7, 9, 11, 20 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 7, 9, 11, 20 }}
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{{See also| Chromatic pairs #Bossier }}
{{See also| Chromatic pairs #Bossier }}


Bossier can be described as the 3 &amp; 17 in the 2.7.11.13 subgroup.  
Bossier can be described as the 3 & 17 in the 2.7.11.13 subgroup.  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.7.11.13
[[Subgroup]]: 2.7.11.13
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{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 0 0 1 3 | 0 0 0 8 7 2 }}
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 0 0 1 3 | 0 0 0 8 7 2 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~14/11


: [[gencom]]: [2 14/11; 1573/1568 15488/15379]
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~14/11 = 421.309{{c}}
 
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~14/11 = 421.309


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 17, 20, 37, 57, 94, 225, 319cd, 413bcd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 17, 20, 37, 57, 94, 225, 319cd, 413bcd }}
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=== Voltage ===
=== Voltage ===
Voltage is the 3 &amp; 7 temperament in the 2.7.13 subgroup.  
Voltage is the 3 & 7 temperament in the 2.7.13 subgroup.  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.7.13
[[Subgroup]]: 2.7.13
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{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 0 4 0 4 | 0 0 0 -4 0 -1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 0 4 0 4 | 0 0 0 -4 0 -1 }}
 
: mapping generators: ~2, ~16/13
: [[gencom]]: [2, 16/13; 28672/28561]


[[Optimal tuning]]:  
[[Optimal tuning]]:  
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1\1, ~16/13 = 357.677
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~16/13 = 357.677{{c}}
* [[TOP tuning|POTT]]: ~2 = 1\1, ~16/13 = 357.794 (1200 - 300 log<sub>2</sub>(7))
* [[TOP tuning|POTT]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~16/13 = 357.794{{c}} (1200 - 300 log<sub>2</sub>(7))


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 3, 7, 10, 27, 37, 47, 57, 104 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 3, 7, 10, 27, 37, 47, 57, 104 }}
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[[Comma list]]: 4913/4802
[[Comma list]]: 4913/4802


{{Mapping|legend=2|1 2 3|0 3 4}}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 2 3 | 0 3 4 }}
: mapping generators, ~2, ~[[17/14]]


: Mapping generators, ~2, ~[[17/14]]
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~17/14 = 324.446{{c}}


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~[[17/14]] = 324.446
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 4, 7, 11, 26, 37 }}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1|4, 7, 11, 26, 37}}


=== Counterultrakleismic ===
=== Counterultrakleismic ===
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[[Comma list]]: 2024782584832/2015993900449
[[Comma list]]: 2024782584832/2015993900449


{{Mapping|legend=2|1 0 1|0 10 11}}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 1 | 0 10 11 }}
: mapping generators, ~2, ~17/14


: Mapping generators, ~2, ~[[17/14]]
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~17/14 = 336.858{{c}}


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~[[17/14]] = 336.858
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 18dg, 25, 32, 57, 488, 545, 602, 659, 716, 773, 830, 887, 1717g }}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1|7, 18dg, 25, 32, 57, 488, 545, 602, 659, 716, 773, 830, 887, 1717g}}


=== Shipwreck ===
=== Shipwreck ===
[[Subgroup]]: 2.7.53
[[Subgroup]]: 2.7.53


[[Comma list]]: 1048576/1042139
[[Comma list]]: 1048576/1042139


[[Gencom]]: [2 64/53; 1048576/1042139]
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 6 | 0 3 -1 }}]
: mapping generators, ~2, ~64/53


[[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 0 6}}, {{val|0 3 -1}}]]
[[Optimal tuning]]s ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~64/53 = 323.034{{c}}
 
[[POTE generator]]: ~64/53 = 323.034


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 4, 7, 11, 15, 26, 141, 167, 193p, 219p, 245p }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 4, 7, 11, 15, 26, 141, 167, 193p, 219p, 245p }}
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{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 0 0 3 3 | 0 0 0 0 2 3 }}
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 0 0 3 3 | 0 0 0 0 2 3 }}
: mapping generators, ~2, ~13/11


: [[gencom]]: [2 13/11; 1352/1331]
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~13/11 = 279.318{{c}}
 
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~13/11 = 279.318


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 13, 30, 43, 73, 116 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 13, 30, 43, 73, 116 }}
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{{Mapping|legend=3| 4 0 0 0 12 13 | 0 0 0 0 1 1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=3| 4 0 0 0 12 13 | 0 0 0 0 1 1 }}
: mapping generators, ~13/11, ~11


: [[gencom]]: [13/11 11/8; 29282/28561]
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~13/11 = 300.000{{c}}, ~11/8 = 546.660{{c}}
 
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~13/11 = 1\4, ~11/8 = 546.660


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 4, 16, 20, 24, 44, 68, 112c, 180bc }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 4, 16, 20, 24, 44, 68, 112c, 180bc }}
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{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 0 0 3 4 | 0 0 0 0 3 -2 }}
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 0 0 3 4 | 0 0 0 0 3 -2 }}
: mapping generators, ~2, ~143/128


: [[gencom]]: [2 143/128; 265837/262144]
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~143/128 = 182.368{{c}}
 
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~143/128 = 182.368


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 6, 7, 13, 33, 46, 79, 125c, 204bc, 329bc }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 6, 7, 13, 33, 46, 79, 125c, 204bc, 329bc }}
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[[Comma list]]: 209/208, 2057/2048, 83521/83486
[[Comma list]]: 209/208, 2057/2048, 83521/83486


[[Sval]] [[mapping]]: [{{val| 1 5 1 1 0 }}, {{val| 0 -4 7 8 11 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 5 1 1 0 | 0 -4 7 8 11 }}


Optimal tuning ([[POTE]]): ~17/13 = 462.9606
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~17/13 = 462.9606{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 13, 44, 57, 70}}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 13, 44, 57, 70 }}


[[Tp tuning #T2 tuning|RMS error]]: 0.4898 cents
[[Tp tuning #T2 tuning|RMS error]]: 0.4898 cents


=== Mavericks ===
=== Mavericks ===
[[Subgroup]]: 2.13.19
[[Subgroup]]: 2.13.19


[[Comma list]]: 47525504/47045881
[[Comma list]]: 47525504/47045881


[[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 1 2}}, {{val|0 6 5}}]
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 1 2 | 0 6 5 }}


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~26/19 = 539.886
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~26/19 = 539.886{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7fh, 9, 11, 20 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7fh, 9, 11, 20 }}
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[[Comma list]]: 209/208, 2057/2048
[[Comma list]]: 209/208, 2057/2048


[[Sval]] [[mapping]]: {{mapping| 1 0 0 11 4 | 0 1 0 -2 -1 | 0 0 1 0 1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 0 11 4 | 0 1 0 -2 -1 | 0 0 1 0 1 }}


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[TE tuning|TE]]): ~2/1 = 1200.4457, ~11/8 = 548.4934, ~16/13 = 358.638
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[TE tuning|TE]]): ~2 = 1200.4457{{c}}, ~11/8 = 548.4934{{c}}, ~16/13 = 358.638{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 11, 13, 24, 33, 37, 46, 57, 70, 127, 197eh }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 11, 13, 24, 33, 37, 46, 57, 70, 127, 197eh }}

Revision as of 05:37, 1 July 2026

This is a list showing technical temperament data. For an explanation of what information is shown here, you may look at the technical data guide for regular temperaments.

This is a collection of subgroup temperaments which omit the prime harmonic of 3.

Overview by mapping of 5

Classified by focusing on the mapping of 5th harmonic, similar to Rank-2 temperaments by mapping of 3.

  • For no-fives, see #No-threes no-fives subgroup temperaments.
  • French decimal and trader have a ~2/1 period and ~5/4 generator. There is a one-to-one correspondence between the 2.5 subgroup and mapped intervals.
  • Ostara, movila and vengeance have variantly expressed generators, three of which give the ~5/2.
  • Insect has a ~55/32 generator, three of which give the ~5/1.
  • Frostburn has a ~28/25 generator, four of which give the ~8/5.

Others have a more complex mapping of 5.

Temperaments with a 2.5.7 gene

Temperaments discussed elsewhere include

Frostburn

Subgroup: 2.5.7

Comma list: 78125/76832

Subgroup-val mapping[1 3 4], 0 -4 -7]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~28/25

Optimal tuning (TE): ~2 = 1200.3479 ¢, ~28/25 = 204.3389 ¢

Optimal ET sequence6, 29, 35, 41, 47

Badness (Sintel): 0.886

2.5.7.11 subgroup

Subgroup: 2.5.7.11

Comma list: 245/242, 625/616

Subgroup-val mapping[1 3 4 5], 0 -4 -7 -9]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~28/25

Optimal tuning (TE): ~2 = 1200.6817 ¢, ~28/25 = 205.0745 ¢

Optimal ET sequence: 6, 23de, 29, 35, 41

Badness (Sintel): 0.463

Mabilic

Mabilic is the no-3 restriction of armodue, semabila, and trismegistus. It is the 7 & 9 temperament in the 2.5.7 subgroup, and tempers out 1071875/1048576, the mabilisma.

Subgroup: 2.5.7

Comma list: 1071875/1048576

Subgroup-val mapping[1 1 5], 0 3 -5]]

Gencom mapping[1 0 1 5], 0 0 3 -5]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~175/128

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~175/128 = 527.236 ¢

Optimal ET sequence7, 9, 16, 25, 41, 66, 305bc

RMS error: 0.7729 cents

Rainy

In rainy, three generators make an 8/7; five generators make a 5/4. It is the no-3's restriction of tertiaseptal (and valentine), notable theoretically as it equates (2/1)/(5/4)3 (128/125, the lesser diesis) with (2/1)/(8/7)5 (the 2.7-subgroup cloudy comma, which is similar to the 2.5-subgroup lesser diesis in that tempering it out tunes the 8/7 about 8.8 ¢ sharp, while tempering out 128/125 similarly sharpens the 5/4 by about 13.7 ¢). By tempering out their difference, stacked 5's and stacked 7's become easier to navigate, using the general-purpose diesis to simplify clusters.

A highly notable tuning of rainy not shown here is 311edo, which is 140 + 171 so tuned between them.

Subgroup: 2.5.7

Comma list: 2100875/2097152

Subgroup-val mapping[1 2 3], 0 5 -3]]

Gencom mapping[1 0 2 3], 0 0 5 -3]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~256/245 = 77.205 ¢

Optimal ET sequence31, 47, 78, 109, 140, 171, 202, 233

RMS error: 0.0586 cents

French decimal

Conceived upon the fact that 1789edo has an excellent 5/4, and uses it as the generator. This rings particularly true for the French attempts to decimalize a lot more things than we are used to today. Using the maximal evenness method of finding rank-2 temperaments, a 1525 & 1789 temperament is obtained.

Subgroup: 2.5.7

Comma list: [372 -159 -1

Subgroup-val mapping[1 2 54], 0 1 -159]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~5/4 = 386.360 ¢

Optimal ET sequence205, 264, 469, 733, 997, 1261, 1525, 1789

Badness (Sintel): 148.6

2.5.7.11 subgroup

Subgroup: 2.5.7.11

Comma list: [-49 8 17 -5, [45 -27 10 -3

Subgroup-val mapping: [1 2 54 -177], 0 1 -159 -539]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~5/4 = 386.361 ¢

Optimal ET sequence: 264, 733, …

Badness (Sintel): 52.150

2.5.7.11.13 subgroup

Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13

Comma basis: 28824005/28792192, 200126927/200000000, 6106906624/6103515625

Subgroup-val mapping: [1 2 54 -177 52], 0 1 -159 -539 173]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~5/4 = 386.361 ¢

Optimal ET sequence: 1525, 1789, …

Badness (Sintel): 10.518

Bastille

Bastille is described as the 2.5.7-subgroup 1407 & 1789 temperament, and named after an eponymous historical event which took place on July 14, 1789 (14/07/1789). Extensions discussed elsewhere include double bastille.

Subgroup: 2.5.7

Comma list: [1426 -596 -15

Subgroup-val mapping[1 -4 254], 0 -15 596]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~[381 0 -159 -4 = 694.243 ¢

Optimal ET sequence382, 1025, 1407, 1789, 3196, …

Badness (Sintel): 7224.3

Augment

Augment is related to augmented.

Subgroup: 2.5.7.11

Comma list: 56/55, 128/125

Subgroup-val mapping[3 7 0 2], 0 0 1 1]]

Gencom mapping[3 0 7 9 11], 0 0 0 -1 -1]]

mapping generators: ~5/4, ~8/7

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~5/4 = 400.000 ¢, ~8/7 = 228.275 ¢

Optimal ET sequence3, 6, 9, 15, 21

RMS error: 2.422 cents

Ostara

Ostara is a temperament that is derived from 93 & 524 solar calendar leap rule scale. It was initially defined by taking the 2.7.13.17.19 subgroup, but it can also be intepreted in general no-threes 19-limit.

Ostara can also refer to a collection of temperaments which temper out 16807/16796.[clarification needed]

Subgroup: 2.5.7.11

Comma list: 8589934592/8544921875, 53710650917/53687091200

Subgroup-val mapping[1 1 20 -49], 0 3 -39 119]]

Optimal tunings:

  • CTE: ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~5120/3773 = 529.003 ¢
  • CWE: ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~5120/3773 = 529.004 ¢

Optimal ET sequence93, 431, 338, 524

Badness (Sintel): 11.731

2.5.7.11.13 subgroup

Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 1001/1000, 34420736/34328125, 5670699008/5661858125

Subgroup-val mapping: [1 1 20 -49 35], 0 3 -39 119 -71]]

Optimal tunings:

  • CTE: ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~1664/1225 = 529.003 ¢
  • CWE: ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~1664/1225 = 529.003 ¢

Optimal ET sequence: 93, 245e, 338, 431, 1386c

Badness (Sintel): 3.415

2.5.7.11.13.17 subgroup

Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13.17

Comma list: 1001/1000, 32768/32725, 147968/147875, 537824/537251

Subgroup-val mapping: [1 1 20 -49 35 42], 0 3 -39 119 -71 -86]]

Optimal tunings:

  • CTE: ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~1664/1225 = 529.005 ¢
  • CWE: ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~1664/1225 = 529.005 ¢

Optimal ET sequence: 93, 338, 431, 955c, 1386cg

Badness (Sintel): 1.985

2.5.7.11.13.17.19 subgroup

Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13.17.19

Comma list: 1001/1000, 2128/2125, 3328/3325, 16807/16796, 147968/147875

Subgroup-val mapping: [1 1 20 -49 35 42 21], 0 3 -39 119 -71 -86 -38]]

Optimal tunings:

  • CTE: ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~19/14 = 529.006 ¢
  • CWE: ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~19/14 = 529.005 ¢

Optimal ET sequence: 93, 338, 431

Badness (Sintel): 1.285

Tricesimoprimal miracloid

Tricesimoprimal miracloid is described as the 52 & 1789 temperament in the 2.5.7.11.19.29.31 subgroup, with harmonics specifically selected for 52edo and 1789edo. Its generator is 31/29, which is also close to the secor. Since it is conceived as the temperament in the above specific subgroup, it makes no sense to name it for smaller subgroups. In terms of microtempering, a circle of 52 generators is essentially a barely noticeable well temperament for 52edo.

Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.19.29.31

Comma list: 10241/10240, 5858783/5856400, 4093705/4090624, 15109493/15089800, 102942875/102834688

Subgroup-val mapping: [1 419 48 177 157 624 625], 0 -461 -50 -192 -169 -685 -686]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~58/31 = 1084.628 ¢

Optimal ET sequence52, 1737, 1789, …

Huntington

Huntington may be described as the 10 & 27 temperament in the 2.5.7.13 subgroup.

Subgroup: 2.5.7.13

Comma list: 640/637, 10985/10976

Subgroup-val mapping[1 5 4 4], 0 -9 -4 -1]]

Gencom mapping[1 0 5 4 0 4], 0 0 -9 -4 0 -1]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~16/13

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~16/13 = 357.002 ¢

Optimal ET sequence7, 10, 17, 27, 37, 84, 121, 279cd, 400cd

RMS error: 0.3452 cents

Silver

Silver can be described as the 10 & 27 temperament in the 2.5.7.13.17 subgroup.

Subgroup: 2.5.7.13.17

Comma list: 170/169, 640/637, 5525/5488

Subgroup-val mapping[1 5 4 4 2], 0 -9 -4 -1 7]]

Gencom mapping[1 0 -4 0 0 3 9], 0 0 9 4 0 1 -7]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~13/8 = 842.711 ¢

Optimal ET sequence7, 10, 17, 27, 37, 47, 84, 131, 178e, 309cde, 487bcdee

RMS error: 0.5886 cents

Pakkanen

Subgroup: 2.5.7.11

Comma list: 625/616

Subgroup-val mapping[1 0 0 -3], 0 1 0 4], 0 0 1 -1]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~5, ~11

Optimal tuning (TE): ~2 = 1200.6544 ¢, ~5/4 = 380.3004 ¢, ~11/8 = 551.9653 ¢

Optimal ET sequence6, 16, 22, 28, 29, 35, 41, 57, 63, 98c

Badness (Sintel): 0.573

No-threes naiad

This temperament can be described as the 21 & 29 & 37 temperament in no-threes subgroups. It expands tridec and naiadec.

Subgroup: 2.5.7.11

Comma list: 5021863/5000000

Subgroup-val mapping[1 0 2 0], 0 1 1 1], 0 0 -4 3]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~5, ~100/77

Optimal tunings:

  • WE: ~2 = 1200.080 ¢, ~5 = 2786.820 ¢, ~100/77 = 454.618 ¢
  • CWE: ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~5 = 2786.740 ¢, ~100/77 = 454.590 ¢

Optimal ET sequence16, 21, 29, 37, 50, 58, 66, 87, 103, 124

Badness (Sintel): 1.862

2.5.7.11.13 subgroup

Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 847/845, 1001/1000

Subgroup-val mapping: [1 0 2 0 1], 0 1 1 1 1], 0 0 -4 3 1]]

Optimal tunings:

  • WE: ~2 = 1200.034 ¢, ~5 = 2786.678 ¢, ~13/10 = 454.569 ¢
  • CWE: ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~5 = 2786.646 ¢, ~13/10 = 454.557 ¢

Optimal ET sequence: 16, 21, 29, 37, 50, 58, 66, 87, 103, 124

Badness (Sintel): 0.179

2.5.7.11.13.17 subgroup

Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13.17

Comma list: 170/169, 221/220, 847/845

Subgroup-val mapping: [1 0 2 0 1 1], 0 1 1 1 1 1], 0 0 -4 3 1 2]]

Optimal tunings:

  • WE: ~2 = 1200.407 ¢, ~5 = 2787.484 ¢, ~13/10 = 455.036 ¢
  • CWE: ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~5 = 2787.107 ¢, ~13/10 = 454.906 ¢

Optimal ET sequence: 16, 21, 29g, 37, 50, 58, 66g, 87g

Badness (Sintel): 0.438

Temperaments with a higher 2.5.p gene

Temperaments discussed elsewhere include:

Movila

This temperament has a structure very similar to mavila but is somewhat more accurate because the generator is a flat 11/8 rather than a sharp 4/3. The major third is still ~5/4, but the minor third is now ~64/55 instead of ~6/5.

Subgroup: 2.5.11

Comma list: 1331/1280

Subgroup-val mapping[1 1 3], 0 3 1]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~11/8 = 529.846 ¢

Optimal ET sequence7, 9, 16, 25, 41e, 66ee

Wizz

Wizz, the 6 & 16 temperament in the 2.5.11 subgroup, is related to wizard.

Subgroup: 2.5.11

Comma list: 15625/15488

Subgroup-val mapping[2 0 -7], 0 1 3]]

Gencom mapping[2 0 4 0 5], 0 0 1 0 3]]

mapping generators: ~125/88, ~5/4

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~125/88 = 600.000 ¢, ~5/4 = 383.768 ¢

Optimal ET sequence6, 16, 22, 28, 50, 122, 172, 222

RMS error: 0.3997

Insect

Subgroup: 2.5.11

Comma list: 33275/32768

Subgroup-val mapping[1 0 5], 0 3 -2]]

mapping generators, ~2, ~55/32

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~55/32 = 928.032 ¢

Optimal ET sequence9, 13, 22, 97e, 119e, 141e, 163e, 304ceee

Sephiroth

Sephiroth is the no-7 restriction of muggles.

Subgroup: 2.5.11.13.17

Comma list: 65/64, 170/169, 221/220

Subgroup-val mapping[1 0 15 6 11], 0 1 -5 -1 -3]]

Gencom mapping[1 0 2 0 5 4 5], 0 0 1 0 -5 -1 -3]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~5/4

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~5/4 = 372.236 ¢

Optimal ET sequence10, 13, 16, 29

RMS error: 1.774 cents

Trader

Subgroup: 2.5.13

Comma list: 26/25

Subgroup-val mapping[1 2 3], 0 1 2]]

mapping generators, ~2, ~5/4

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~5/4 = 407.079 ¢

Optimal ET sequence3, 20c, 23c, 26c

Superquintal

Subgroup: 2.5.13

Comma list: 64000000/62748517

Subgroup-val mapping[1 5 6], 0 -7 -6]]

mapping generators, ~2, ~13/10

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~13/10 = 459.281 ¢

Optimal ET sequence8, 13, 21, 34, 81, 115

No-threes no-fives subgroup temperaments

Temperaments discussed elsewhere include

Amaranthine

Amaranthine is the high-accuracy 2.7.11-subgroup strong restriction of undecimal mothra.

Subgroup: 2.7.11

Comma list: 5767168/5764801

Subgroup-val mapping[1 2 -3], 0 1 8]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~7/4 = 968.913 ¢

Optimal ET sequence26, 83, 109, 135, 161, 296, 1641, 1937, 2233, 2529, 2825, 3121, 6538d, 9659d

Badness (Sintel): 0.031

Score

Subgroup: 2.7.11.13

Comma list: 343/338, 847/832

Subgroup-val mapping[1 1 3 1], 0 4 1 6]]

Gencom mapping[1 0 0 1 3 1], 0 0 0 4 1 6]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~11/8

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~11/8 = 540.099 ¢

Optimal ET sequence5, 7, 9, 11, 20

RMS error: 1.282 cents

Bossier

Bossier can be described as the 3 & 17 in the 2.7.11.13 subgroup.

Subgroup: 2.7.11.13

Comma list: 1573/1568, 15488/15379

Subgroup-val mapping[1 0 1 3], 0 8 7 2]]

Gencom mapping[1 0 0 0 1 3], 0 0 0 8 7 2]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~14/11

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~14/11 = 421.309 ¢

Optimal ET sequence17, 20, 37, 57, 94, 225, 319cd, 413bcd

RMS error: 0.4043 cents

Voltage

Voltage is the 3 & 7 temperament in the 2.7.13 subgroup.

Subgroup: 2.7.13

Comma list: 28672/28561

Subgroup-val mapping[1 4 4], 0 -4 -1]]

Gencom mapping[1 0 0 4 0 4], 0 0 0 -4 0 -1]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~16/13

Optimal tuning:

  • POTE: ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~16/13 = 357.677 ¢
  • POTT: ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~16/13 = 357.794 ¢ (1200 - 300 log2(7))

Optimal ET sequence3, 7, 10, 27, 37, 47, 57, 104

RMS error: 0.1423 cents

Ultrakleismic

Subgroup: 2.7.17

Comma list: 4913/4802

Subgroup-val mapping[1 2 3], 0 3 4]]

mapping generators, ~2, ~17/14

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~17/14 = 324.446 ¢

Optimal ET sequence4, 7, 11, 26, 37

Counterultrakleismic

Subgroup: 2.7.17

Comma list: 2024782584832/2015993900449

Subgroup-val mapping[1 0 1], 0 10 11]]

mapping generators, ~2, ~17/14

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~17/14 = 336.858 ¢

Optimal ET sequence7, 18dg, 25, 32, 57, 488, 545, 602, 659, 716, 773, 830, 887, 1717g

Shipwreck

Subgroup: 2.7.53

Comma list: 1048576/1042139

Subgroup-val mapping[1 0 6], 0 3 -1]]]

mapping generators, ~2, ~64/53

Optimal tunings (POTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~64/53 = 323.034 ¢

Optimal ET sequence4, 7, 11, 15, 26, 141, 167, 193p, 219p, 245p

Lovecraft

Lovecraft, the 4 & 13 temperament in the 2.11.13 subgroup, is generated by ~13/11. Two generator steps give ~11/8 and three generator steps give ~13/8.

Subgroup: 2.11.13

Comma list: 1352/1331

Subgroup-val mapping[1 3 3], 0 2 3]]

Gencom mapping[1 0 0 0 3 3], 0 0 0 0 2 3]]

mapping generators, ~2, ~13/11

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~13/11 = 279.318 ¢

Optimal ET sequence13, 30, 43, 73, 116

RMS error: 0.8449 cents

Blackbirds

Blackbirds is a fairly straightforward temperament. It simply equates ~13/11 to 1/4 of the octave with a generator for prime 11 or 13.

Subgroup: 2.11.13

Comma list: 29282/28561

Subgroup-val mapping[4 0 1], 0 1 1]]

Gencom mapping[4 0 0 0 12 13], 0 0 0 0 1 1]]

mapping generators, ~13/11, ~11

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~13/11 = 300.000 ¢, ~11/8 = 546.660 ¢

Optimal ET sequence4, 16, 20, 24, 44, 68, 112c, 180bc

RMS error: 0.8685 cents

Bluebirds

Not to be confused with Bluebird.

Subgroup: 2.11.13

Comma list: 265837/262144

Subgroup-val mapping[1 0 6], 0 3 -2]]

Gencom mapping[1 0 0 0 3 4], 0 0 0 0 3 -2]]

mapping generators, ~2, ~143/128

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~143/128 = 182.368 ¢

Optimal ET sequence6, 7, 13, 33, 46, 79, 125c, 204bc, 329bc

RMS error: 0.4444 cents

Yamablu

Yamablu, with a generator of ~17/13, is named for its tempering of the yama comma (209/208) and the blume comma (2057/2048), which also implies the blumeyer comma (2432/2431). The 13th Yamablu[13] scale is a linear-temperament version of Gjaeck.

Subgroup: 2.11.13.17.19

Comma list: 209/208, 2057/2048, 83521/83486

Subgroup-val mapping[1 5 1 1 0], 0 -4 7 8 11]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~17/13 = 462.9606 ¢

Optimal ET sequence13, 44, 57, 70

RMS error: 0.4898 cents

Mavericks

Subgroup: 2.13.19

Comma list: 47525504/47045881

Subgroup-val mapping[1 1 2], 0 6 5]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~26/19 = 539.886 ¢

Optimal ET sequence7fh, 9, 11, 20

Yer (rank 3)

Subgroup: 2.11.13.17.19

Comma list: 209/208, 2057/2048

Subgroup-val mapping[1 0 0 11 4], 0 1 0 -2 -1], 0 0 1 0 1]]

Optimal tuning (TE): ~2 = 1200.4457 ¢, ~11/8 = 548.4934 ¢, ~16/13 = 358.638 ¢

Optimal ET sequence11, 13, 24, 33, 37, 46, 57, 70, 127, 197eh