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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">=5L 2s - "diatonic"=  
{{Infobox MOS}}
{{Wikipedia|Diatonic scale}}


One way of distinguishing the "diatonic" scale is by considering it a [[MOSScales|moment of symmetry]] scale produced by a chain of "fifths". This will include [[12edo]]'s diatonic scale along with the Pythagorean diatonic scale, while excluding just intonation scales that use more than one size of "tone".
{{MOS intro}}


This produces a generalized diatonic scale with the form:
The familiar pattern of 5 whole steps and 2 half steps, commonly written as WWHWWWH for the major scale, takes on a generalized form of LLsLLLs, where the large and small steps—denoted as ''L''{{'s}} and ''s''{{`s}}—represent whole number step sizes, thus producing different [[edo]]s. These [[step ratio]]s affect the sizes of the diatonic scale's intervals and correspond to different tuning systems.
L L s L L L s


Insert 2 for L and 1 for s and you'll get the 12edo diatonic of standard practice.
Among the most well-known forms of this scale are the Pythagorean diatonic scale, and scales produced by meantone systems (including [[12edo]]).
2 2 1 2 2 2 1


When L=3, s=1, you have [[17edo]]:
== Name ==
3 3 1 3 3 3 1
{{TAMNAMS name}} "Mosdiatonic" may also be used for the sake of specificity.


When L=3, s=2, you have [[19edo]]:
== Notation ==
3 3 2 3 3 3 2
: ''This article assumes [[TAMNAMS]] for naming step ratios.''


When L=4, s=1, you have [[22edo]]:
== Scale characteristics ==
4 4 1 4 4 4 1
{{TAMNAMS use}}


When L=4, s=3, you have [[26edo]]:
=== Intervals ===
4 4 3 4 4 4 3
{{MOS intervals}}


When L=5, s=1, you have [[27edo]]:
=== Generator chain ===
5 5 1 5 5 5 1
{{MOS genchain}}


When L=5, s=2, you have [[29edo]]:
=== Modes ===
5 5 2 5 5 5 2
{{MOS mode degrees}}


When L=5, s=3, you have [[31edo]]:
Diatonic modes have standard names from classical music theory.
5 5 3 5 5 5 3
{{MOS modes}}


When L=5, s=4, you have [[33edo]]:
=== Note names ===
5 5 4 5 5 5 4
Note names are identical to that of standard notation. Thus, the basic gamut for 5L&nbsp;2s is the following:  
{{MOS gamut}}


So you have scales where L and s are nearly equal, which approach [[7edo]]:
== Theory ==
1 1 1 1 1 1 1
=== Temperament interpretations ===
{{Main| {{PAGENAME}}/Temperaments }}
5L&nbsp;2s has several rank-2 temperament interpretations, such as:
* [[Meantone]], with generators around 696.2{{c}}. This includes:
** [[Flattone]], with generators around 693.7{{c}}.
* [[Schismic]], with generators around 702{{c}}.
* [[Leapfrog]], with generators around 704.7{{c}}.
* [[Archy]], with generators around 709.3{{c}}. This includes:
** Supra, with generators around 707.2{{c}}
** [[Superpyth]], with generators around 710.3{{c}}
** [[Ultrapyth]], with generators around 713.7{{c}}.


And you have scales where s becomes so small it approaches zero, which would give us [[5edo]]:
=== Generator chain ===
1 1 0 1 1 1 0 or 1 1 1 1 1
{{MOS genchain}}


So if 3\7 (three degrees of 7edo) is at one extreme and 2\5 (two degrees of 5edo) is at the other, all other possible 5L 2s scales exist in a continuum between them. You can chop this continuum up by taking "freshman sums" of the two edges - adding together the numerators, then adding together the denominators. Thus, between 3\7 and 2\5 you have (3+2)\(7+5) = 5\12, five degrees of 12edo:
=== Warped diatonic scales ===
Because of most listeners' familiarity with the 5L&nbsp;2s diatonic scale, listeners may sometimes experience an effect like pareidolia, hearing 5L&nbsp;2s even when it isn’t there.  


|| 3\7 ||  ||
A larger scale can be constructed so that it contains chains of 5L&nbsp;2s, but then breaks the pattern, exploiting that pareidolic effect to surprise and disorient the listener. Scales which have this effect are called [[warped diatonic]] scales.
||  || 5\12 ||
|| 2\5 ||  ||


If we carry this freshman-summing out a little further, new, larger [[edo]]s pop up in our continuum.
=== Interval categories ===
''See [[5L&nbsp;2s/Interval categories]]''.


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== Tuning ranges ==
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One way of distinguishing the &amp;quot;diatonic&amp;quot; scale is by considering it a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/MOSScales"&gt;moment of symmetry&lt;/a&gt; scale produced by a chain of &amp;quot;fifths&amp;quot;. This will include &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/12edo"&gt;12edo&lt;/a&gt;'s diatonic scale along with the Pythagorean diatonic scale, while excluding just intonation scales that use more than one size of &amp;quot;tone&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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L L s L L L s&lt;br /&gt;
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Insert 2 for L and 1 for s and you'll get the 12edo diatonic of standard practice.&lt;br /&gt;
2 2 1 2 2 2 1&lt;br /&gt;
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When L=3, s=1, you have &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/17edo"&gt;17edo&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
3 3 1 3 3 3 1&lt;br /&gt;
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When L=3, s=2, you have &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/19edo"&gt;19edo&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
3 3 2 3 3 3 2&lt;br /&gt;
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When L=4, s=1, you have &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo"&gt;22edo&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
4 4 1 4 4 4 1&lt;br /&gt;
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When L=4, s=3, you have &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/26edo"&gt;26edo&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
4 4 3 4 4 4 3&lt;br /&gt;
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When L=5, s=1, you have &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/27edo"&gt;27edo&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
5 5 1 5 5 5 1&lt;br /&gt;
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When L=5, s=2, you have &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/29edo"&gt;29edo&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
5 5 2 5 5 5 2&lt;br /&gt;
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When L=5, s=3, you have &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo"&gt;31edo&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
5 5 3 5 5 5 3&lt;br /&gt;
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When L=5, s=4, you have &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/33edo"&gt;33edo&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
5 5 4 5 5 5 4&lt;br /&gt;
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So you have scales where L and s are nearly equal, which approach &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/7edo"&gt;7edo&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
1 1 1 1 1 1 1&lt;br /&gt;
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And you have scales where s becomes so small it approaches zero, which would give us &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/5edo"&gt;5edo&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
1 1 0 1 1 1 0 or 1 1 1 1 1&lt;br /&gt;
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So if 3\7 (three degrees of 7edo) is at one extreme and 2\5 (two degrees of 5edo) is at the other, all other possible 5L 2s scales exist in a continuum between them. You can chop this continuum up by taking &amp;quot;freshman sums&amp;quot; of the two edges - adding together the numerators, then adding together the denominators. Thus, between 3\7 and 2\5 you have (3+2)\(7+5) = 5\12, five degrees of 12edo:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;


=== Simple tunings ===
[[17edo]] and [[19edo]] are the smallest edos that offer a greater variety of pitches than 12edo. Note that any enharmonic equivalences that 12edo has no longer hold for either 17edo or 19edo, as shown in the table below.
{{MOS tunings|JI Ratios=Int Limit: 30; Complements Only: 1|Tolerance=20}}


&lt;table class="wiki_table"&gt;
=== Ultrasoft tunings ===
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{{See also| Superflat }}
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In this range, the major third is so flat that it can best be approximated by [[16/13]], tempering out [[1053/1024]].
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=== Parasoft tunings ===
If we carry this freshman-summing out a little further, new, larger &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/edo"&gt;edo&lt;/a&gt;s pop up in our continuum.&lt;br /&gt;
{{See also| Flattone }}
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Parasoft diatonic tunings (4:3 to 3:2) correspond to flattone temperaments, characterized by flattened perfect 5ths ([[3/2]], flat of 702{{c}}) to produce major 3rds that are flatter than [[5/4]] (386{{c}}).


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Edos include [[19edo]], [[26edo]], [[45edo]], and [[64edo]].
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=== Hyposoft tunings ===
{{See also| Meantone }}
 
Hyposoft diatonic tunings (3:2 to 2:1) correspond to meantone temperaments, characterized by flattened perfect 5ths (flat of 702{{c}}) to produce diatonic major 3rds that approximate 5/4 (386{{c}}).
 
Edos include [[19edo]], [[31edo]], [[43edo]], and [[50edo]].
{{MOS tunings|Step Ratios=3/2; 5/3; 8/5; 7/4; 2/1|JI Ratios=Subgroup:2.3.5; Int Limit: 40; Tenney Height: 10|Tolerance=15}}
 
=== Hypohard tunings ===
: ''See also: [[Pythagorean tuning]] and [[Schismatic family #Schismatic aka helmholtz|schismatic temperament]]''
 
The range of hypohard tunings can be divided into a minihard range (2:1 to 5:2) and quasihard range (5:2 to 3:1).
{{MOS tunings|Step Ratios=Hypohard|JI Ratios=NONE}}
 
==== Minihard tunings ====
Minihard diatonic tunings correspond to Pythagorean tuning and schismatic temperament, characterized by having a perfect 5th that is as close to just (701.96{{c}}) as possible, resulting in a major 3rd of [[81/64]] (407{{c}}).
 
Edos include [[41edo]] and [[53edo]].
{{MOS tunings|Step Ratios=2/1; 7/3; 5/2; 9/4|JI Ratios=Prime Limit:3; Int Limit: 1024|Tolerance=10}}
 
==== Quasihard tunings ====
Quasihard diatonic tunings correspond to "neogothic" or "parapyth" systems whose perfect 5th is slightly sharper than just, resulting in major 3rds that are sharper than 81/64 and minor 3rds that are slightly flat of [[32/27]] (294{{c}}).
 
Edos include [[17edo]], [[29edo]], and [[46edo]]. 17edo is considered to be on the sharper end of the neogothic spectrum, with a major 3rd that is more discordant than flatter neogothic tunings.
{{MOS tunings|Step Ratios=Quasihard|JI Ratios=Subgroup: 2.3.7.11.13; Int Limit: 30; Complements Only: 1|Tolerance=15}}
 
=== Parahard and ultrahard tunings ===
{{See also| Archy }}
 
Parahard (3:1 to 4:1) and ultrahard (4:1 to 1:0) diatonic tunings correspond to archy systems, with perfect 5ths that are significantly sharper than than 702{{c}}.
 
Edos include [[17edo]], [[22edo]], [[27edo]], and [[32edo]], among others.
{{MOS tunings|Step Ratios=3/1; 4/1; 5/1; 6/1|JI Ratios=Subgroup: 2.3.7 ; Int Limit: 80; Complements Only: 1|Tolerance=15}}
 
== Scales ==
=== Subset and superset scales ===
5L&nbsp;2s has a parent scale of [[2L&nbsp;3s]], a pentatonic scale, meaning 2L&nbsp;3s is a subset. 5L&nbsp;2s also has two child scales, which are supersets of 5L&nbsp;2s:
* [[7L&nbsp;5s]], a chromatic scale produced using soft-of-basic step ratios.
* [[5L&nbsp;7s]], a chromatic scale produced using hard-of-basic step ratios.
12edo, the equalized form of both 7L&nbsp;5s and 5L&nbsp;7s, is also a superset of 5L&nbsp;2s.
 
=== MODMOS scales and muddles ===
{{Main|5L&nbsp;2s/MODMOSes|5L&nbsp;2s/Muddles}}
 
=== Scala files ===
* [[Meantone7]] – 19edo and 31edo tunings
* [[Nestoria7]] – 171edo tuning
* [[Pythagorean7]] – Pythagorean tuning
* [[Garibaldi7]] – 94edo tuning
* [[Cotoneum7]] – 217edo tuning
* [[Edson7]] – 29edo tuning
* [[Pepperoni7]] – 271edo tuning
* [[Supra7]] – 56edo tuning
* [[Archy7]] – 49edo tuning
 
== Scale tree ==
{{MOS tuning spectrum
| Depth = 6
| 7/5 = [[Flattone]] region
| 21/13 = [[Golden meantone]] (696.214{{c}})
| 5/3 = [[Meantone]] region
| 9/4 = [[Pythagorean tuning]] (701.955{{c}})
| 16/7 = [[Garibaldi]] / [[cassandra]]
| 5/2 = [[Dominant (temperament)|Dominant]] region
| 21/8 = Golden neogothic (704.096{{c}})
| 8/3 = [[Neogothic]] region
| 7/2 = [[Quasisuper]] region
| 9/2 = [[Superpyth]] region
| 11/2 = [[Quasiultra]] region
| 7/1 = [[Ultrapyth]] region
}}
 
=== Step ratio diagram ===
[[File:5L2s.jpg|alt=5L2s.jpg|5L2s.jpg]]
 
== See also ==
* [[Diatonic functional harmony]]
* [[Diatonic]] (disambiguation page)
 
[[Category:Diatonic| ]] <!-- Main article -->
[[Category:7-tone scales]]