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*[[5edo|5]]: Equalized [[2L 3s|pentatonic]] scale. 3-limit [[blackwood]]. Kinda familiar but everything is warped. To me as a Chinese, it sounds like out-of-tone traditional Chinese music. The smallest EDO containing an interval that roughly resembles [[3/2]]. Not very noticeable harmonically.
*[[5edo|5]]: Equalized [[2L 3s|pentatonic]] scale. 3-limit [[blackwood]]. Kinda familiar but everything is warped. To me as a Chinese, it sounds like out-of-tone traditional Chinese music. The smallest EDO containing an interval that roughly resembles [[3/2]]. Not very noticeable harmonically.
*[[6edo|6]]: Incomplete [[12edo]]. Also a heavily stretched [[didacus]] chain.
*[[6edo|6]]: Incomplete [[12edo]]. Also a heavily stretched [[didacus]] chain.
*[[7edo|7]]: Equalized [[5L 2s|diatonic]] scale. 3-limit [[whitewood]]. Similar to 5edo. It sounds like out-of-tone [[3L 4s|neutral scale]] music.
*[[7edo|7]]: Equalized [[5L 2s|diatonic]] scale. 3-limit [[whitewood]]. Similar to 5edo. It sounds like out-of-tone [[3L 4s|neutral scale]] music. The smallest EDO that roughly represents [[5-limit]].
*[[8edo|8]]: Incomplete [[24edo]].
*[[8edo|8]]: Incomplete [[24edo]].
*[[9edo|9]]: A subset of [[ennealimmal]].
*[[9edo|9]]: A subset of [[ennealimmal]].
*[[10edo|10]]: A stack of [[13/8]]. A subset of [[130edo]] and [[270edo]].
*[[10edo|10]]: A stack of [[13/8]]. A subset of [[130edo]] and [[270edo]].
*[[11edo|11]]: Incomplete [[22edo]].
*[[11edo|11]]: Incomplete [[22edo]].
*[[12edo|12]]: Equalized [[chromatic]] scale. Both [[augmented]] and [[diminished]]. The only reasonable tuning for [[dominant (temperament)|dominant]]. The boundary between [[meantone]] and [[schismatic]]. The smallest [[5L 2s|diatonic]] EDO. It deserves its position. A good tuning for almost all types of music, tho sometimes not perfect. Very excellent [[3/1|3]] as well as prime [[17/1|17]] and [[19/1|19]] for its size, but inaccurate [[5/1|5]] and worse [[7/1|7]]. Suitable for symmetric scales. Easy to make [[../12neji|accurate NEJIs]]. Its 2.3.17.19 subgroup really deserves more exploration (something “xenharmonic” but not “microtonal”). Its thirds do not accurately approximate common JI intervals, but you can make a [[well temperament]] to make them approximate some.
*[[12edo|12]]: Equalized [[chromatic]] scale. Both [[augmented]] and [[diminished]]. The only reasonable tuning for [[dominant (temperament)|dominant]]. The boundary between [[meantone]] and [[schismatic]]. The smallest [[5L 2s|diatonic]] EDO. It deserves its position. A good tuning for almost all types of music, tho sometimes not perfect. Very excellent [[3/1|3]] as well as prime [[17/1|17]] and [[19/1|19]] for its size, but inaccurate [[5/1|5]] and worse [[7/1|7]]. Suitable for symmetric scales. Easy to make [[../12neji|accurate NEJIs]]. Its 2.3.17.19 subgroup really deserves more exploration (something “xenharmonic” but not “microtonal”). Its thirds do not accurately approximate common JI intervals, but you can make a [[well temperament]] to make some of them do.
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*[[15edo|15]]: Better than it seems to be, tho still rough. [[Blackwood]] [[augmented]]. A heavily stretched [[Carlos Alpha]] scale. The best you can get with blackwood. I don't know why there are “people fond of” such inaccurate temperaments.
*[[15edo|15]]: Better than it seems to be, tho still rough. [[Blackwood]] [[augmented]]. A heavily stretched [[Carlos Alpha]] scale. The best you can get with blackwood. I don't know why there are “people fond of” such inaccurate temperaments.
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*[[17edo|17]]: A circle of fifths in [[34edo]]. Interesting sharp fifths. The smallest diatonic EDO with neutral intervals. The boundary between neogothic and superpyth. Like 12edo, its thirds do not approximate any simple ratios well. I don't know how to write harmonies here. Only 3-limit seems to be good but still worse than 12.
*[[17edo|17]]: A circle of fifths in [[34edo]]. Interesting sharp fifths. The smallest diatonic EDO with neutral intervals. The boundary between neogothic and superpyth. Like 12edo, its thirds do not approximate any simple ratios well. I don't know how to write harmonies here. Only 3-limit seems to be good but still worse than 12.
*[[18edo|18]]: Incomplete [[36edo]].
*[[18edo|18]]: Incomplete [[36edo]].
*[[19edo|19]]: Very different tradeoffs from 12edo. Usable but imperfect for many temperaments. [[Meantone]] or [[magic]], but with a too flat fifth. Strangely large minor 2nds. Also a compressed [[Carlos Beta]]. For meantone [[31edo]] is more preferable, and for magic [[41edo]]. The lower bound of a good fifth. It benefits from stretching. A stack of [[5/3]]. Good as a subset of [[enneadecal]].
*[[19edo|19]]: Very different tradeoffs from 12edo. Usable but imperfect for many temperaments. [[Meantone]] or [[magic]], but with a too flat fifth. Strangely large minor 2nds. A compressed [[Carlos Beta]] scale. For meantone [[31edo]] is more preferable, and for magic [[41edo]]. The lower bound of a good fifth. It benefits from stretching. A stack of [[5/3]]. Good as a subset of [[enneadecal]].
*[[20edo|20]]: The fact that [[41edo]] is good indicates that 20- and 21edo are probably bad. Does anyone really think it is OK for a chord to contain a lot of inconsistent mappings involving 3?
*[[20edo|20]]: The fact that [[41edo]] is good indicates that 20- and 21edo are probably bad. Does anyone really think it is OK for a chord to contain a lot of inconsistent mappings involving 3?
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*[[22edo|22]]: The smallest non-meantone EDO with reasonable 5-limit. Good [[superpyth]] and [[porcupine]] tuning. The only reasonable superpyth EDO. The upper bound of a good fifth.
*[[22edo|22]]: The smallest non-meantone EDO with reasonable 5-limit. Good [[superpyth]] and [[porcupine]] tuning. The only reasonable superpyth EDO. The upper bound of a good fifth.
*[[23edo|23]]: Incomplete [[46edo]]. The largest EDO without a diatonic, blackwood or whitewood fifth.
*[[23edo|23]]: Incomplete [[46edo]]. The largest EDO without a diatonic, blackwood or whitewood fifth.
*[[24edo|24]]: What many non-microtonalists think microtonality is. 12edo with neutrals. Good for prime [[11/1|11]]. Accurate in subgroup 2.3.11.17.19.
*[[24edo|24]]: What some non-microtonalists think microtonality is. 12edo with neutrals. Good for prime [[11/1|11]]. Accurate in subgroup 2.3.11.17.19.
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*[[26edo|26]]: A stack of [[7/4]]. Other intervals suck. Meantone but tuned terribly. Incomplete [[130edo]].
*[[26edo|26]]: A stack of [[7/4]]. Good for 2.7.11 subgroup. Other intervals suck. Since it is relatively small, consistency does not implies high accuracy. Meantone but tuned terribly. Incomplete [[130edo]].
*[[27edo|27]]: A stack of [[7/6]]. Worse than both 12- and 22edo for 5-limit. Its fifth sucks and its diatonic scale makes little sense. Its 7/3 and 7/5 are good, but 3, 5 and 7 are off. Use [[108edo]] to make it really a 7-limit EDO, and [[270edo]] is excellent. When I hear its ~[[10:12:15]] and ~[[6:7:9]] chord I feel the fifth is obviously off. I have listened to both 22edo and 27edo and I feel the former is better. Compared to 22edo, it is like fixing 7 by ruining 5 and partly 3. There are beatings here and there. It really needs compression. The fact that [[53edo]] is good indicates that 26- and 27edo are probably bad.
*[[27edo|27]]: A stack of [[7/6]]. Worse than both 12- and 22edo for 5-limit. Its fifth sucks and its diatonic scale makes little sense. Its 7/3 and 7/5 are good, but 3, 5 and 7 are off. Use [[108edo]] to make it a true 7-limit EDO, and [[270edo]] is excellent. When I hear its ~[[10:12:15]] and ~[[6:7:9]] chord I feel the fifth is obviously off. I have listened to both 22edo and 27edo and I feel the former is better. Compared to 22edo, it is like fixing 7 by ruining 5 and partly 3. There are beatings here and there. It really needs compression. The fact that [[53edo]] is good indicates that 26- and 27edo are probably bad.
*[[28edo|28]]: [[Whitewood]] [[diminished]]. Kinda opposite from [[15edo]]. The best you can get with [[whitewood]].
*[[28edo|28]]: [[Whitewood]] [[diminished]]. Kinda opposite from [[15edo]]. The best you can get with [[whitewood]].
*[[29edo|29]]: A circle of fifths in [[mystery]], which supports [[pele]] (and is close to its optimal tuning), a convenient temperament with 5, 7, 11 and 13 on the same chain of fifths. The smallest EDO with a better fifth than 12edo. Not so useful on its own.
*[[29edo|29]]: A circle of fifths in [[mystery]], which supports [[pele]] (and is close to its optimal tuning), a convenient temperament with 5, 7, 11 and 13 on the same chain of fifths. The smallest EDO with a better fifth than 12edo. Not so useful on its own.
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*[[31edo|31]]: Ideal for pure-octave [[meantone]], combining lots of 11-limit extensions in a single tuning. The meantone flat fifth makes its neutral thirds close to [[11/9]] (tho there is the JI subgroup problem since 11 and 9 themselves are not so close). Also [[valentine]] and [[miracle]]. IMO the best meantone EDO. For other temperaments its flat fifth may be a drawback, making 9 bad.
*[[31edo|31]]: Ideal for pure-octave [[meantone]], combining lots of 11-limit extensions in a single tuning. The meantone flat fifth makes its neutral thirds close to [[11/9]] (tho there is the JI subgroup problem since 11 and 9 themselves are not so close). Also [[valentine]] and [[miracle]]. IMO the best meantone EDO. For other temperaments its flat fifth may be a drawback, making 9 bad.
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*[[34edo|34]]: 17edo with prime [[5/1|5]], but no [[7/1|7]]. Also a stretched [[Carlos Gamma]].
*[[34edo|34]]: 17edo with prime [[5/1|5]], but no [[7/1|7]]. A slightly stretched [[Carlos Gamma]] scale.
*[[35edo|35]]: The largest non-diatonic EDO.
*[[35edo|35]]: The largest non-diatonic EDO.
*[[36edo|36]]: Good for 2.3.7.13.17.19.23.29 subroup. Avoid [[5/1|5]] here because it is almost completely missed. Otherwise incomplete 72edo.
*[[36edo|36]]: Good for 2.3.7.13.17.19.23.29 subroup. Avoid [[5/1|5]] here because it is almost completely missed. Otherwise incomplete 72edo.
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*[[38edo|38]]: 19edo with neutrals. Near pure [[11/9]]. The acceptable error of 19edo really becomes a problem at this size.
*[[38edo|38]]: 19edo with neutrals. Near pure [[11/9]]. The acceptable error of 19edo really becomes a problem at this size.
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*[[41edo|41]]: Prime octave and highly composite fifth, opposite from [[12edo]], thus good for fifth-dividing temperaments. Good for [[magic]]. The [[Kite guitar]] shows its elegance, with many simple intervals equidistantly spaced. I have no idea how other similar-sized EDOs (namely 53 and 72) can be applied on a fretted string instrument. It's a pity that its [[5/1|5]] is not very good. Also [[garibaldi]] and [[neutral]].
*[[41edo|41]]: Prime octave and highly composite fifth, opposite from [[12edo]], thus good for fifth-dividing temperaments. Containing [[Bohlen-Pierce scale]]. Good for [[magic]]. The [[Kite guitar]] shows its elegance, with many simple intervals equidistantly spaced. I have no idea how other similar-sized EDOs (namely 53) can be applied on a fretted string instrument. It's a pity that its [[5/1|5]] is not very good. Also [[garibaldi]] and [[neutral]].
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*[[46edo|46]]: Efficient [[parapyth]] EDO.
*[[46edo|46]]: Efficient [[parapyth]] EDO.
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*[[65edo|65]]: A circle of fifths in [[130edo]].
*[[65edo|65]]: A circle of fifths in [[130edo]].
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*[[72edo|72]]: The ultimate extension of 12- and 24edo. A powerful tool for modulating quartertones, whis is difficult in [[24edo]] itself. Good for [[miracle]]. The relative error of primes is within 1/3 steps up to large primes except a few including 13, 53 and 59. Suitable for octave stretching in 17-limit.
*[[72edo|72]]: The ultimate extension of 12- and 24edo. A powerful tool for modulating quartertones, whis is difficult in [[24edo]] itself. Good for [[miracle]]. The relative error of primes is within 1/3 steps up to large primes except a few including 13, 53 and 59. Suitable for octave stretching in 17-limit. Playable by using three [[24edo]] instruments or six [[12edo]] instruments.
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*[[74edo|74]]: [[37edo]] with meantone fifths. Close to [[tungsten meantone]]. The intrinsic error of meantone becomes a problem at this size, making [[9/1|9]] inconsistent.
*[[74edo|74]]: [[37edo]] with meantone fifths. Close to [[tungsten meantone]]. The intrinsic error of meantone becomes a problem at this size, making [[9/1|9]] inconsistent.
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*[[77edo|77]]: Good for [[valentine]] and accurate [[boethius]].
*[[77edo|77]]: Good for [[valentine]] and accurate [[boethius]]. Containing [[Carlos Alpha]]. [[40/27]] as 4\7 aka [[absurdity]]. Usable for high-limit JI. At this size even the inconsistent intervals are usable via val mapping since its step size is only ~16 cents, so 50% is not a very large error.
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*[[81edo|81]]: The [[optimal patent val]] for [[meantone]] and some of its higher-limit extentions, but does anyone really want to use such a large EDO for a temperament with relatively low accuracy? Since it severely loses the convenience of EDOs, I will use [[golden meantone]] instead, which is simpler and more elegant mathematically.
*[[81edo|81]]: The [[optimal patent val]] for [[meantone]] and some of its higher-limit extentions, but does anyone really want to use such a large EDO for a temperament with relatively low accuracy? Since it severely loses the convenience of EDOs, I will use [[golden meantone]] instead, which is simpler and more elegant mathematically.
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*[[87edo|87]]: Good [[mystery]] EDO. Useful for high-limit JI.
*[[87edo|87]]: Good [[mystery]] EDO. Useful for high-limit JI. Playable by using three [[29edo]] instruments.
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*[[94edo|94]]: Good for high-limit JI with the [[garibaldi]] structure similar to [[41edo]] and [[53edo]]. Containing [[Carlos Beta]].
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*[[99edo|99]]: Efficient near-[[Logarithmic approximants#Argent temperament|argent]] EDO. Suggests slight compression. Good for [[hemififths]].
*[[99edo|99]]: Efficient near-[[Logarithmic approximants#Argent temperament|argent]] EDO. Suggests slight compression. Good for [[hemififths]].
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*[[118edo|118]]: The relationship of 53-118-171edo for [[schismatic]] is similar to 12-19-31edo for meantone. 53 and 12 are the simplest reasonable EDO with very mildly tempered fifths, 118 and 19 are better over all but a bit overtempered (outside 5-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]), and 171 and 31 are ideal. So like 19, I won't appreciate it much.
*[[118edo|118]]: The relationship of 53-118-171edo for [[schismatic]] is similar to 12-19-31edo for meantone. 53 and 12 are the simplest reasonable EDO with very mildly tempered fifths, 118 and 19 are better over all but a bit overtempered (outside 5-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]), and 171 and 31 are ideal. So like 19, I won't appreciate it much.
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*[[171edo|171]]: The ultimate EDO for approximating [[7-limit]] JI. If you don't need some ridiculous high precision, there is no need to go any further. Good as [[schismatic]], [[gammic]], [[ennealimmal]] and [[enneadecal]]. At this size level, EDOs are more like free pitch, rather than either JI or a stable temperament. Ideal for free-pitch-like music that emphasizes 7-limit. For 11-limit maybe [[342edo|doubling]] is a good choice, and for 13-limit [[684edo|quadrupling]].
*[[171edo|171]]: The ultimate EDO for approximating [[7-limit]] JI. If you don't need some ridiculous high precision or specific microtemperaments, there is no need to go any further. Good as [[schismatic]], [[gammic]], [[ennealimmal]] and [[enneadecal]]. Containing a better [[Carlos Gamma]] scale than [[34edo]]. At this size level, EDOs are more like free pitch, rather than either JI or a stable temperament. Ideal for free-pitch-like music that emphasizes 7-limit.
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*[[224edo|224]]: Like 171edo but with a slightly sharper (and closer to just) fifth, worse 7-limit but better [[13-limit]].
*[[224edo|224]]: Like 171edo but with a slightly sharper (and closer to just) fifth, worse 7-limit but better [[13-limit]].
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*[[270edo|270]]: Better than 224edo if [[schismatic]] is not required. Ideal for free-pitch-like music that emphasizes 13-limit.
*[[270edo|270]]: Better than 224edo if [[schismatic]] is not required. Ideal for free-pitch-like music that emphasizes 13-limit.
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*[[311edo|311]]: Good for very high-limit JI.


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