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In a 13-limit system, all the ratios of the 13- or 15-odd-limit can be treated as potential [[consonance]]s. | In a 13-limit system, all the ratios of the 13- or 15-odd-limit can be treated as potential [[consonance]]s. | ||
The 13-limit intervals of the [[2.3.13 subgroup]], such as [[13/12]] and [[16/13]], are close to [[neutral (interval quality)|neutral]] intervals, but are further from true ([[hemipyth]]agorean) neutral intervals than [[2.3.11 subgroup]] intervals, and thus may be termed "subneutral" and "superneutral". | The 13-limit intervals of the [[2.3.13 subgroup]], such as [[13/12]] and [[16/13]], are close to [[neutral (interval quality)|neutral]] intervals, but are further from true ([[hemipyth]]agorean) neutral intervals than [[2.3.11 subgroup]] intervals, and thus may be termed "subneutral" and "superneutral". | ||
As prime limits increase, ratios containing different primes over [[3/1|3]] in the numerator and denominator become more and more numerous. Such ratios include [[15/14]], [[14/13]], [[11/10]], [[15/13]], [[13/11]], [[14/11]], [[13/10]], [[15/11]], [[7/5]], and their [[octave complement]]s. An example of a way to use these intervals is to build {{w|tertian harmony|tertian}} triads such as [[10:13:15]], which consists of a 13/10 ultramajor third and a [[15/13]] inframinor third. Other examples include the [[neogothic major and minor]] triads of [[22:28:33]] and [[22:26:33]], which can be tempered to the 13-odd-limit via vanishing of [[364/363]], but can also be used as they are. | As prime limits increase, ratios containing different primes over [[3/1|3]] in the numerator and denominator become more and more numerous. Such ratios include [[15/14]], [[14/13]], [[11/10]], [[15/13]], [[13/11]], [[14/11]], [[13/10]], [[15/11]], [[7/5]], and their [[octave complement]]s. An example of a way to use these intervals is to build {{w|tertian harmony|tertian}} triads such as [[10:13:15]], which consists of a 13/10 ultramajor third and a [[15/13]] inframinor third. Other examples include the [[neogothic major and minor]] triads of [[22:28:33]] and [[22:26:33]], which can be tempered to the 13-odd-limit via vanishing of [[364/363]], but can also be used as they are. | ||
The subgroup can be naturally rank-reduced into the 7-limit by tempering out 4096/4095 and 2080/2079, resulting in [[Catalog of rank-4 temperaments#Tridecimal olympic|olympic]], which equates 36/35 with 1053/1024 and (64/63)<sup>2</sup> with 33/32. Another notable rank-reduction is [[cassaschismic]], which rank-reduces olympic by equating 64/63 with the pythagorean comma, thus finding the 2.3.7.11 subgroup along a chain of ever so slightly sharp fifths. | |||
== Edo approximation == | == Edo approximation == | ||
[[Edo]]s which represent 13-limit intervals better ([[monotonicity limit]] ≥ 13 and decreasing [[TE error]]): {{EDOs| 15, 17c, 19, 26, 27e, 29, 31, 41, 46, 53, 58, 72, 87, 103, 111, 121, 130, 183, 190, 198, 224, 270, 494 }} and so on. For a more comprehensive list, see [[Sequence of equal temperaments by error]]. | [[Edo]]s which represent 13-limit intervals better ([[monotonicity limit]] ≥ 13 and decreasing [[TE error]]): {{EDOs| 15, 17c, 19, 26, 27e, 29, 31, 41, 46, 53, 58, 72, 87, 103, 111, 121, 130, 183, 190, 198, 224, 270, 494 }} and so on. For a more comprehensive list, see [[Sequence of equal temperaments by error]]. | ||
Here is a list of edos which tunes the 13-limit well relative to their size ({{nowrap|[[TE relative error]] < 5.5%}}): {{EDOs| 31, 41, 46, 53, 58, 72, 87, 94, 103, 111, 121, 130, 140, 152f, 159, 183, 190, 198, 212, 217, 224, 270, 282, 296, 301, 311, 320, 328, 342f, 354, 364, 369f, 373, 383, 400, 414, 422, 431, 441, 460, 472, 494 }}, and so on. | Here is a list of edos which tunes the 13-limit well relative to their size ({{nowrap|[[TE relative error]] < 5.5%}}): {{EDOs| 31, 41, 46, 53, 58, '''72''', '''87''', 94, 103, 111, 121, '''130''', 140, 152f, 159, 183, 190, 198, 212, 217, '''224''', '''270''', 282, 296, 301, 311, 320, 328, 342f, 354, 364, 369f, 373, 383, 400, 414, 422, 431, 441, 460, 472, '''494 '''}}, and so on (bold ones do particularly well in this subgroup). | ||
{{Note| [[Wart notation]] is used to specify the [[val]] chosen for the edo. In the above list, "27e" means taking the second closest approximation of harmonic 11. }} | {{Note| [[Wart notation]] is used to specify the [[val]] chosen for the edo. In the above list, "27e" means taking the second closest approximation of harmonic 11. }} | ||
Revision as of 19:18, 28 May 2026
The 13-limit (a.k.a. yazalatha in color notation) consists of just intonation intervals such that the highest prime factor in all ratios is 13. Thus, 40/39 would be within the 13-limit, since 40 is 2 × 2 × 2 × 5 and 39 is 3 × 13, but 34/33 would not, since 34 is 2 × 17, and 17 is a prime number higher than 13. The 13-limit is the 6th prime limit and is a superset of the 11-limit and a subset of the 17-limit.
The 13-limit is a rank-6 system, and can be modeled in a 5-dimensional lattice, with the primes 3, 5, 7, 11, and 13 represented by each dimension. The prime 2 does not appear in the typical 13-limit lattice because octave equivalence is presumed. If octave equivalence is not presumed, a sixth dimension is needed.
These things are contained by the 13-limit, but not the 11-limit:
- The 13- and 15-odd-limit;
- Mode 7 and 8 of the harmonic or subharmonic series; this means it completes the 4th octave of those series.
In a 13-limit system, all the ratios of the 13- or 15-odd-limit can be treated as potential consonances.
The 13-limit intervals of the 2.3.13 subgroup, such as 13/12 and 16/13, are close to neutral intervals, but are further from true (hemipythagorean) neutral intervals than 2.3.11 subgroup intervals, and thus may be termed "subneutral" and "superneutral".
As prime limits increase, ratios containing different primes over 3 in the numerator and denominator become more and more numerous. Such ratios include 15/14, 14/13, 11/10, 15/13, 13/11, 14/11, 13/10, 15/11, 7/5, and their octave complements. An example of a way to use these intervals is to build tertian triads such as 10:13:15, which consists of a 13/10 ultramajor third and a 15/13 inframinor third. Other examples include the neogothic major and minor triads of 22:28:33 and 22:26:33, which can be tempered to the 13-odd-limit via vanishing of 364/363, but can also be used as they are.
The subgroup can be naturally rank-reduced into the 7-limit by tempering out 4096/4095 and 2080/2079, resulting in olympic, which equates 36/35 with 1053/1024 and (64/63)2 with 33/32. Another notable rank-reduction is cassaschismic, which rank-reduces olympic by equating 64/63 with the pythagorean comma, thus finding the 2.3.7.11 subgroup along a chain of ever so slightly sharp fifths.
Edo approximation
Edos which represent 13-limit intervals better (monotonicity limit ≥ 13 and decreasing TE error): 15, 17c, 19, 26, 27e, 29, 31, 41, 46, 53, 58, 72, 87, 103, 111, 121, 130, 183, 190, 198, 224, 270, 494 and so on. For a more comprehensive list, see Sequence of equal temperaments by error.
Here is a list of edos which tunes the 13-limit well relative to their size (TE relative error < 5.5%): 31, 41, 46, 53, 58, 72, 87, 94, 103, 111, 121, 130, 140, 152f, 159, 183, 190, 198, 212, 217, 224, 270, 282, 296, 301, 311, 320, 328, 342f, 354, 364, 369f, 373, 383, 400, 414, 422, 431, 441, 460, 472, 494 , and so on (bold ones do particularly well in this subgroup).
| Note: | Wart notation is used to specify the val chosen for the edo. In the above list, "27e" means taking the second closest approximation of harmonic 11. |
Intervals
Here are all the 15-odd-limit intervals of 13:
| Ratio | Cents value | Color name | Name | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 14/13 | 128.298 | 3uz2 | thuzo 2nd | tridecimal supraminor second |
| 13/12 | 138.573 | 3o2 | tho 2nd | tridecimal subneutral second |
| 15/13 | 247.741 | 3uy2 | thuyo 2nd | tridecimal semifourth |
| 13/11 | 289.210 | 3o1u3 | tholu 3rd | tridecimal minor third |
| 16/13 | 359.472 | 3u3 | thu 3rd | tridecimal supraneutral third |
| 13/10 | 454.214 | 3og4 | thogu 4th | tridecimal naiadic |
| 18/13 | 563.382 | 3u4 | thu 4th | tridecimal sub-tritone |
| 13/9 | 636.618 | 3o5 | tho 5th | tridecimal super-tritone |
| 20/13 | 745.786 | 3uy5 | thuyo 5th | tridecimal cocytic |
| 13/8 | 840.528 | 3o6 | tho 6th | tridecimal subneutral sixth |
| 22/13 | 910.790 | 3u1o6 | thulo 6th | tridecimal major sixth |
| 26/15 | 952.259 | 3og7 | thogu 7th | tridecimal semitwelfth |
| 24/13 | 1061.427 | 3u7 | thu 7th | tridecimal supraneutral seventh |
| 13/7 | 1071.702 | 3or7 | thoru 7th | tridecimal submajor seventh |
Music
- Justification (2022)
- Bicycle Wheels (2023)
- Venusian Cataclysms[dead link] play[dead link]
- Chord Progression on the Harmonic Overtone Series[dead link] play[dead link]
- String Quartet No. 5 (1979) – Bandcamp | YouTube – performed by Kepler Quartet
- String Quartet No. 7 (1984)
- performed by Kepler Quartet
- Unlicensed Copy (2017) – mostly 7-limit with some erstwhile 13-based chromaticisms
- WIP cover of Sheik's Theme by Koji Kondo (2025; original was 1996) - tuning adapted from Ibn Sina
- Canon on a ground – in 2.11.13 subgroup
- P`rismatic fut`URE (2025)
- fretless harp guitar study (2026)
- Threnody for the Victims of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (archived 2010) – 13-limit JI in 6079edo tuning
- Rough Diamond (archived 2010) a.k.a. Diamond in the Rough[1] – symphonic con brio using the Partch 13-odd-limit tonality diamond as a scale.
- Dying Visions of a Lonesome Machine (2021)
- Avenoir (2022)
- I Was a Teenage Boltzmann Brain (2022)
- Atlas Apassionata (2022)
See also
- Gallery of just intervals
- Tridecimal neutral seventh chord
- Augmented chords in just intonation, some (they are 13-limit)