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=== Commas ===
=== Commas ===
17et [[tempering out|tempers out]] the following [[comma]]s. (Note: This assumes [[patent val]] {{val| 17 27 39 48 59 63 69 }}, cent values ​​rounded to 5 digits.)
17et [[tempering out|tempers out]] the following [[comma]]s. (Note: This assumes [[patent val]] {{val| 17 27 39 48 59 63 69 72 77}}, cent values ​​rounded to 1/100 of a cent.)


{| class="commatable wikitable center-all left-3 right-4 left-6"
{| class="commatable wikitable center-all left-3 right-4 left-6"
|-
|-
! [[Harmonic limit|Prime<br>limit]]
! [[Harmonic limit|Prime<br>limit]]
! [[Ratio]]<ref group="note">Ratios longer than 10 digits are presented by placeholders with informative hints</ref>
! [[Ratio]]<ref group="note">Ratios longer than 10 digits are presented by placeholders with informative hints.</ref>
! [[Monzo]]
! [[Monzo]]
! [[Cent]]s
! [[Cent]]s
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|-
|-
| 3
| 3
| [[134217728/129140163|(18 digits)]]
| <abbr title="134217728/129140163">(18 digits)</abbr>
| {{Monzo| 27 -17 }}
| {{Monzo| 27 -17 }}
| 66.765
| 66.76
| Sasawa
| Sasawa
| [[Gothic comma]]
| [[Gothic comma]]
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| [[25/24]]
| [[25/24]]
| {{Monzo| -3 -1 2 }}
| {{Monzo| -3 -1 2 }}
| 70.762
| 70.76
| Yoyo
| Yoyo
| Dicot comma
| Dicot comma
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| [[32805/32768]]
| [[32805/32768]]
| {{Monzo| -15 8 1 }}
| {{Monzo| -15 8 1 }}
| 1.9537
| 1.95
| Layo
| Layo
| Schisma
| Schisma
|-
| 7
| [[64/63]]
| {{Monzo| 6 -2 0 -1 }}
| 27.26
| Ru
| Septimal comma
|-
|-
| 7
| 7
| [[525/512]]
| [[525/512]]
| {{Monzo| -9 1 2 1 }}
| {{Monzo| -9 1 2 1 }}
| 43.408
| 43.41
| Lazoyoyo
| Lazoyoyo
| Avicennma
| Avicennma
|-
| 7
| [[64/63]]
| {{Monzo| 6 -2 0 -1 }}
| 27.264
| Ru
| Septimal comma
|-
|-
| 7
| 7
| [[245/243]]
| [[245/243]]
| {{Monzo| 0 -5 1 2 }}
| {{Monzo| 0 -5 1 2 }}
| 14.191
| 14.19
| Zozoyo
| Zozoyo
| Sensamagic comma
| Sensamagic comma
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| [[1728/1715]]
| [[1728/1715]]
| {{Monzo| 6 3 -1 -3 }}
| {{Monzo| 6 3 -1 -3 }}
| 13.074
| 13.07
| Triru-agu
| Triru-agu
| Orwellisma
| Orwellisma
|-
| 7
| [[17496/16807]]
| {{Monzo| 3 7 0 -5 }}
| 69.56
| Quinru
| Bleu comma
|-
| 7
| [[19683/19208]]
| {{Monzo| -3 9 0 -4 }}
| 42.29
| Laquadru
| Skwares comma
|-
|-
| 7
| 7
| <abbr title="420175/419904">(12 digits)</abbr>
| <abbr title="420175/419904">(12 digits)</abbr>
| {{Monzo| -6 -8 2 5 }}
| {{Monzo| -6 -8 2 5 }}
| 1.1170
| 1.12
| Quinzo-ayoyo
| Quinzo-ayoyo
| [[Wizma]]
| [[Wizma]]
|-
| 11
| [[45/44]]
| {{Monzo| -2 2 1 0 -1 }}
| 38.91
| Luyo
| Cake comma
|-
|-
| 11
| 11
| [[99/98]]
| [[99/98]]
| {{Monzo| -1 2 0 -2 1 }}
| {{Monzo| -1 2 0 -2 1 }}
| 17.576
| 17.58
| Loruru
| Loruru
| Mothwellsma
| Mothwellsma
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| [[896/891]]
| [[896/891]]
| {{Monzo| 7 -4 0 1 -1 }}
| {{Monzo| 7 -4 0 1 -1 }}
| 9.6880
| 9.69
| Saluzo
| Saluzo
| Pentacircle comma
| Pentacircle comma
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| [[243/242]]
| [[243/242]]
| {{Monzo| -1 5 0 0 -2 }}
| {{Monzo| -1 5 0 0 -2 }}
| 7.1391
| 7.14
| Lulu
| Lulu
| Rastma
| Rastma, neutral thirds comma
|-
|-
| 11
| 11
| [[385/384]]
| [[385/384]]
| {{Monzo| -7 -1 1 1 1 }}
| {{Monzo| -7 -1 1 1 1 }}
| 4.5026
| 4.50
| Lozoyo
| Lozoyo
| Keenanisma
| Keenanisma
|-
|-
| 13
| 13
| [[1352/1331]]
| [[40/39]]
| {{Monzo| 3 0 0 0 -3 2 }}
| {{Monzo| 3 -1 1 0 0 -1 }}
| 27.101
| 43.83
| Bithotrilu
| Thuyo
| Lovecraft comma
| Unintendo comma
|-
| 13
| [[65/64]]
| {{Monzo| -6 0 1 0 0 1 }}
| 26.84
| Thoyo
| Wilsorma
|-
| 13
| [[78/77]]
| {{Monzo| 1 1 0 -1 -1 1 }}
| 22.34
| Tholuru
| Negustma
|-
| 13
| [[144/143]]
| {{Monzo| 4 2 0 0 -1 -1 }}
| 12.06
| Thulu
| Grossma
|-
| 13
| [[169/168]]
| {{Monzo| -3 -1 0 -1 0 2 }}
| 10.27
| Thothoru
| Buzurgisma, dhanvantarisma
|-
|-
| 13
| 13
| [[352/351]]
| [[352/351]]
| [5 -3 0 0 1 -1⟩
| [5 -3 0 0 1 -1⟩
| 4.925
| 4.93
| Thulo
| Thulo
| Major minthma
| Major minthma
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| [[364/363]]
| [[364/363]]
| {{Monzo| 2 -1 0 1 -2 1 }}
| {{Monzo| 2 -1 0 1 -2 1 }}
| 4.763
| 4.76
| Tholuluzo
| Tholuluzo
| Minor minthma
| Minor minthma
|-
|-
| 17
| 13
| [[136/135]]
| [[512/507]]
| {{Monzo| 3 -3 -1 0 0 0 1 }}
| {{Monzo| 9 -1 0 0 0 -2 }}
| 12.776
| 16.99
| Sogu 2nd
| Thuthu
| Diatisma
| Tridecimal neutral thirds comma
|-
| 13
| [[1352/1331]]
| {{Monzo| 3 0 0 0 -3 2 }}
| 27.10
| Bithotrilu
| Lovecraft comma
|-
| 13
| [[2197/2187]]
| {{Monzo| 0 -7 0 0 0 3 }}
| 7.90
| Satritho
| Threedie
|-
| 23
| [[162/161]]
| {{Monzo| 1 4 0 -1 0 0 0 0 -1 }}
| 10.72
| Twethuru
| Minor kirnbergerisma
|-
|-
| 23
| 23
| [[208/207]]
| [[208/207]]
| [4 -2 0 0 0 1 0 0 -1⟩
| {{Monzo| 4 -2 0 0 0 1 0 0 -1 }}
| 8.343
| 8.34
| Twethutho 2nd
| Twethutho
| Vicetone comma
| Vicetone comma
|-
|-
| 23
| 23
| [[460/459]]
| [[253/252]]
| [2 -3 1 0 0 0 -1 0 1⟩
| {{Monzo| -2 -2 0 -1 1 0 0 0 1 }}
| 3.767
| 6.86
| Twethosuyo
| Twetholoru
| Scanisma
| Middle neutravicema
|-
| 23
| [[529/528]]
| {{Monzo| -4 -1 0 0 -1 0 0 0 2 }}
| 3.28
| Bitwetho-alu
| Preziosisma
|-
| 23
| [[736/729]]
| {{Monzo| 5 -6 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 }}
| 16.54
| Satwetho
| 23-limit Tenney/Cage comma (HEJI)
|}
|}
<references group="note" />
<references group="note" />
Note that despite their relatively large size, the 17-comma, the avicennma and the chromatic semitone are all tempered out by the 13-limit patent val, as stated.
Note that due to the inaccurate prime 5, the rather large commas [[25/24]], [[525/512]], [[45/44]], and [[40/39]] are all tempered out by 17edo's patent val.


=== Rank-2 temperaments ===
=== Rank-2 temperaments ===
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* diatonic ([[leapfrog]]/[[archy]]) [[5L&nbsp;2s]] 3 3 3 1 3 3 1 (10\17, 1\1)
* diatonic ([[leapfrog]]/[[archy]]) [[5L&nbsp;2s]] 3 3 3 1 3 3 1 (10\17, 1\1)
* [[neutrominant]] [[3L&nbsp;4s]] 3 2 3 2 3 2 2 (5\17, 1\1)
* [[neutrominant]] [[3L&nbsp;4s]] 3 2 3 2 3 2 2 (5\17, 1\1) (''dedicated article: [[17edo neutral scale]]'')
* [[neutrominant]] [[7L&nbsp;3s]] 2 2 2 1 2 2 1 2 2 1 (5\17, 1\1)
* [[neutrominant]] [[7L&nbsp;3s]] 2 2 2 1 2 2 1 2 2 1 (5\17, 1\1)
* [[squares]] [[3L&nbsp;5s]] 1 1 4 1 4 1 4 (6\17, 1\1)
* [[squares]] [[3L&nbsp;5s]] 1 1 4 1 4 1 4 (6\17, 1\1)
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[[File:17edo soprano ukulele with 3D printed fretboard.jpg|frameless|640x640px]]
[[File:17edo soprano ukulele with 3D printed fretboard.jpg|frameless|640x640px]]
Keyboards have also been built for 17edo &mdash; see [[Stephen Weigel]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B14mttkavA ''Take This Stone (17-TET microtonal cover)''] (2025).


=== Keyboards ===
=== Keyboards ===
[[Lumatone mapping for 17edo|Lumatone mappings for 17edo]] are available.
[[Lumatone mapping for 17edo|Lumatone mappings for 17edo]] are available.
The Striso Board can be tuned in many ways, but as it has 17 notes per octave and is organised in a circle of fifths based layout, it works particularly well with 17edo, letting you play far wider stretches of notes than a standard keyboard.
[[File:Strisoboard_piano2a_s.jpg|frameless]]
It is possible to rebuild some standard MIDI keyboards to have 17 note per octave by combining parts from multiple keyboards, as with the finished product shown in the following videos by [[Stephen Weigel]] and [[Chris Vaisvil]]:
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B14mttkavA ''Take This Stone (17-TET microtonal cover)''] (2025)
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nboggmtayk0 ''DIY microtonal piano - 17 notes per octave''] (2026)


== Music ==
== Music ==
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