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'''4L 3s''' refers to the structure of [[MOS]] scales with generators ranging from 1\4edo (one degree of [[4edo]], 300¢) to 2\7edo (two degrees of [[7edo]], or approx. 342.857¢).
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4L 3s is a distorted diatonic, because it has one large step of diatonic (5L 2s, LLsLLLs) replaced with a small step (yielding LLsLsLs).
{{MOS intro}}
4L 3s can be seen as a [[Warped diatonic|warped diatonic scale]], where one large step of diatonic ([[5L 2s]]) is replaced with a small step.


4L 3s has several temperament interpretations:
== Name ==
{{TAMNAMS name}}


# With generator size between 5\18 (333.3c) and 11\39 (338.5c): [[Sixix]], corresponding to a L/s ratio between 3/2 and 6/5.
== Scale properties ==
# With generator size between 4\15 (320.0c) and 3\11 (327.3c): [[Orgone]], corresponding to a L/s ratio between 3 and 2.
{{TAMNAMS use}}
# With generator size between 5\19 (315.8c) and 4\15 (320.0c): [[Keemun]], corresponding to a L/s ratio between 4 and 3.


There are also other temperaments in the 4L 3s range, particularly [[amity]] and [[myna]], but 7 notes in the generator chain are not enough to contain the most concordant chords in these temperaments; you would need to use a [[MODMOS]] or use a larger MOS gamut.
=== Intervals ===
{{MOS intervals}}


== Scale tree ==
=== Generator chain ===
The spectrum looks like this:
{{MOS genchain}}


{| class="wikitable"
=== Modes ===
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{{MOS mode degrees}}
! colspan="8" | Generator
 
! | Tetrachord
==== Proposed names ====
! | g in cents
Alexandru Ianu ([[User:Ayceman|Ayceman]])<ref>Description of ''Sylvian Moon Dance'' mentioning the naming proposal https://musescore.com/user/36772625/scores/6700443 – The theme relates to the mystical nature of the Tribunal and TES lore, which fits smitonic.</ref> has proposed the following mode names relating to the Almsivi in Morrowind (TES):
! | 2g
{{MOS modes
! | 3g
| Mode Names=Nerevarine $
! | 4g
Vivecan $
! | Comments
Lorkhanic $
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Sothic $
| | 1\4
Kagrenacan $
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Almalexian $
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Dagothic $
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== Theory ==
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=== Low harmonic entropy scales ===
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There are two notable harmonic entropy minima:
| | 1 0 1
* [[Kleismic family|Kleismic temperament]], in which the generator is 6/5 and 6 of them make a 3/1.
| | 300
* [[myna|Myna temperament]], in which the generator is also 6/5 but it takes 10 of them to make a 6/1, meaning that a larger MOS than 4L&nbsp;3s is required to reach 3/2 or 4/3.
| | 600
 
| | 900
=== Temperament interpretations ===
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{{main|4L&nbsp;3s/Temperaments}}
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4L&nbsp;3s has the following temperament interpretations:
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* [[Sixix]], with generators around 338.6{{c}}.
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* [[Orgone]], with generators around 323.4{{c}}.
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* [[Kleismic]], with generators around 317{{c}}.
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Other temperaments, such as [[amity]] and [[myna]], require more than 7 pitches to contain the concordant chords optimized by these temperaments. If restricted to a rank-2 approach, a [[MODMOS]] or a larger MOS gamut is necessary to access these pitches.
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|9\35
|8 1 8
|308.571
|617.143
|925.714
|34.286
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| | 8\31
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| | 7 1 7
| | 309.677
| | 619.355
| | 929.023
| | 38.71
| style="text-align:center;" | [[Myna]] is around here
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| | 7\27
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| | 6 1 6
| | 311.111
| | 622.222
| | 933.333
| | 44.444
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| | 6\23
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| | 5 1 5
| | 313.043
| | 626.087
| | 939.13
| | 52.174
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| | 5\19
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| | 4 1 4
| | 315.789
| | 631.579
| | 947.368
| | 63.158
| style="text-align:center;" | L/s = 4
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| | 9\34
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| | 7 2 7
| | 317.647
| | 634.294
| | 951.941
| | 70.588
| style="text-align:center;" | [[Hanson]]/Keemun is around here
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| | 4\15
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| | 3 1 3
| | 320
| | 640
| | 960
| | 80
| style="text-align:center;" | L/s = 3. Orgone starts here
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| | 11\41
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| | 8 3 8
| | 321.951
| | 643.902
| | 965.854
| | 87.805
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|-
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| | 29\108
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| | 21 8 21
| | 322.222
| | 644.444
| | 966.667
| | 88.889
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| | 18\67
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| | 13 5 13
| | 322.388
| | 644.776
| | 967.364
| | 89.522
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| | 7\26
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| | 5 2 5
| | 323.077
| | 646.154
| | 969.231
| | 92.308
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| | 31/115
| | 22 9 22
| | 323.478
| | 646.956
| | 970.434
| | 93.913
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| | 2.44 1 2.44
| | 323.501
| | 647.002
| | 970.003
| | 94.004
| style="text-align:center;" | Orgone minmax tuning
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| | 24/89
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| | 17 7 17
| | 323.595
| | 647.191
| | 970.786
| | 94.382
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|-
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| | 17/63
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| | 12 5 12
| | 323.809
| | 647.619
| | 971.428
| | 95.238
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| | 10/37
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| | 7 3 7
| | 324.324
| | 648.648
| | 972.972
| | 97.297
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|-
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| | 3\11
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| | 2 1 2
| | 327.273
| | 654.545
| | 981.818
| | 109.091
| style="text-align:center;" | Boundary of propriety (generators <br>larger than this are proper) Orgone ends here.
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| | 8\29
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| | 5 3 5
| | 331.034
| | 662.069
| | 993.013
| | 124.138
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| | 21\76
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| | 13 8 13
| | 331.579
| | 663.158
| | 994.739
| | 126.316
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| | 34\123
| | 21 13 21
| | 331.707
| | 663.415
| | 995.122
| | 126.829
| style="text-align:center;" | Golden [[Dicot_family#Flat|Flat]]
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| | 13\47
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| | 8 5 8
| | 331.915
| | 663.83
| | 995.745
| | 127.66
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| | 5\18
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| | 3 2 3
| | 333.333
| | 666.667
| | 1000
| | 133.333
| style="text-align:center;" | Optimum rank range (L/s=3/2)<br/> Sixix
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| | 7\25
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| | 4 3 4
| | 336
| | 672
| | 1008
| | 144
| style="text-align:center;" | Sixix
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| | 9\32
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| | 5 4 5
| | 337.5
| | 675
| | 1012.5
| | 150
| style="text-align:center;" | Sixix
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| | 11\39
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| | 6 5 6
| | 338.462
| | 676.923
| | 1015.385
| | 153.846
| style="text-align:center;" | Sixix
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| | 13\46
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| | 7 6 7
| | 339.13
| | 678.261
| | 1017.391
| | 156.522
| style="text-align:center;" | (17/14)^3=9/5
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| | 15\53
| | 8 7 8
| | 339.623
| | 679.245
| | 1018.868
| | 158.491
| style="text-align:center;" | [[Amity]] is around here
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| | 2\7
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| | 1 1 1
| | 342.857
| | 685.714
| | 1028.571
| | 171.429
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There are two notable harmonic entropy minima: [[Kleismic_family|hanson/keemun]], in which the generator is 6/5 and 6 of them make a 3/1, and [[Starling_temperaments|myna]], in which the generator is also 6/5 but now '''10''' of them make a 6/1 (so no 4/3's or 3/2's appear in this scale).


== Tuning ranges ==
== Tuning ranges ==
=== Sixix ===
{{Todo|Populate|comment=Populate with JI ratios from prior edits of this page.|inline=1}}
=== Orgone ===
 
=== Keemun ===
=== Simple tunings ===
The simplest tunings are those with step ratios 2:1, 3:1, and 3:2, producing 11edo, 15edo, and 18edo, respectively.
{{MOS tunings}}
 
=== Parasoft tunings ===
Parasoft smitonic tunings can be considered "meantone smitonic" since it has the following features of [[meantone]] diatonic tunings:
 
* The major 1-mosstep, or large step, is around [[10/9]] to [[9/8]], thus making it a "meantone".
* The augmented 2-mosstep is around the size of a meantone-sized major 3rd and can be used as a stand-in for such.
 
These tunings have a major 4-mosstep and minor 4-mosstep that are about equally off a just 3/2 (702{{c}}), and they have otherwise fairly convincing versions of both diatonic structure and tertian harmony, provided you frequently modify using the comma-like chromas. For this reason, parasoft might be the most accessible smitonic tuning range.
 
Edos include [[18edo]], [[25edo]], and [[43edo]]. Some key considerations include:
 
* 18edo can be used to make the large and small steps more distinct, or can be considered a distorted 19edo diatonic.
** 18edo has a major 1-mosstep that is close to 9/8 (203{{c}}).
** 18edo's major and minor 4-mossteps are both equally off from 12edo's diatonic perfect 5th (700{{c}}) by 33.3{{c}}.
** 18edo is also more suited for conventionally jazz styles due to its 6-fold symmetry.
* The augmented 2-mosstep of 25edo is very close to 5/4 (386{{c}}).
{{MOS tunings|Step Ratios=3/2; 7/5; 4/3}}
 
=== Hyposoft tunings ===
Hyposoft smitonic tunings (3:2 to 2:1) are characterized by generators that are a supraminor 3rd, between 327{{c}} and 333{{c}}. By analogy of parasoft tunings being called "meantone smitonic", these tunings can be considered "[[Gentle region|neogothic]] smitonic" or "[[archy]] smitonic".
 
Edos include [[11edo]] (not shown), [[18edo]], and [[29edo]].
 
{{MOS tunings|Step Ratios=3/2; 5/3; 7/4}}
 
=== Hypohard tunings===
Hypohard smitonic tunings (2:1 to 3:1) have generators between 320{{c}} and 327{{c}}. The major 1-mosstep, or large step, tends to approximate [[8/7]] (231{{c}}) and the major 3-mosstep tends to approximate [[11/8]] (551{{c}}). [[26edo]] approximates these two intervals very well. These JI approximations are associated with [[orgone]] temperament.
 
Other hypohard edos include [[11edo]] (not shown), [[15edo]] and [[37edo]].
 
{{MOS tunings|Step Ratios=3/1; 5/2; 7/3}}
 
=== Parahard tunings ===
Parahard smitonic tunings (3:1 to 4:1) have generators between 315.9{{c}} and 320{{c}}, putting it close to a pure 6/5 (316{{c}}). Stacking six generators and octave-reducing approximates 3/2 (702{{c}}), a diatonic perfect 5th, represented by the diminished 5-mosstep.
 
This range contains very accurate edos such as [[53edo]] and [[72edo]], and has very accurate approximations to many [[low-overtone JI]] intervals, namely basic [[5-limit]] ratios and some ratios involving 13. However, 4L 3s only has one interval of 3/2, so it's suggested to use a larger MOS, such as [[4L 7s]], to achieve 5-limit harmony.
 
These JI approximations are associated with [[kleismic]] temperament, through the 2.3.5.13 extension known as [[Kleismic family#Cata|cata]].
 
Parahard edos smaller than 53edo include [[15edo]] (not shown), [[19edo]], and [[34edo]].
 
{{MOS tunings|Step Ratios=4/1; 11/3; 7/2}}


== Intervals ==
== Scales ==
* [[Orgone7]]
* [[Cata7]]
* [[Myna7]]


== Modes ==
== Scale tree==
{{MOS tuning spectrum
| 6/5 = [[Amity]]/[[hitchcock]]&nbsp;↑
| 5/4 = [[Sixix]]
| 4/3 = [[Supramin]]
| 13/8 = Golden 4L&nbsp;3s (868.3282{{c}})
| 12/5 = [[Hyperkleismic]]
| 5/2 = [[Orgone]]
| 13/5 = Golden superkleismic
| 8/3 = [[Superkleismic]]
| 11/3 = [[Hanson]]/[[keemun]]
| 6/1 = [[Oolong]]/[[myna]]&nbsp;↓
}}


== Pseudo-diatonic theory ==
== Music ==
=== Orgone ===
* [[City of the Asleep]], [https://cityoftheasleep.bandcamp.com/album/an-amputated-elliptic-knob-of-the-cryptocurve-regenerates "An Amputated Elliptic Knob of the Cryptocurve Regenerates"] (Various orgone edos)
=== Sixix ===
* [[User:Ks26|ks26]], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEnEYk3X1as Ghost Bridge] (11edo)
[[Sixix]] can be viewed as a [[dual-fifth]] temperament, i.e. a temperament on the 2.3+.3-.5 "subgroup" (3+ = sharp 3, 3- = flat 3):
* [[User:Ayceman|Alexandru Ianu]], [https://youtu.be/81uZbsmbet8 Sylvian Moon Dance] (11edo) ([[:File:Sylvian_Moon_Dance.pdf|sheet music]])
* It has both a sharp fifth and a flat fifth but no near-just 3/2.
* Combining the sharp fifth and the flat fifth yields a good approximation of 9/8; two 9/8's make a 5/4, so it tempers out 81/80 in the underlying 2.9.5 subgroup.
* The chroma of sixix[7] is the difference between the sharp fifth and the flat fifth, and functions much like a(n untempered) comma in sixix harmony, giving two slightly different flavors of fifths, minor thirds, major thirds, etc, much like in [[porcupine]] harmony. Tempering out this comma leads to [[7edo]].


== Zheanist theory ==
== References ==
=== Primodal chords ===
<references />
=== Nejis ===


== Rank-2 temperaments ==
[[Category:Smitonic|*]] <!--Main article-->
=== Myna (27&31) ===
[[Category:7-tone scales]]
=== Hanson/Keemun (19&15, 2.3.5.7) ===
=== Orgone (15&11, 2.7.11) ===
=== Sixix (18&25, 2.3.5.7) ===
== Samples ==
[[File:Sixix Fugue.mp3]] [[Sixix]] Fugue in [[18edo]] (WIP)
[[Category:Abstract MOS patterns]]
[[Category:scales]]