41edo
The 41 equal divisions of the octave (41edo), or 41(-tone) equal temperament (41tet, 41et) when viewed from a regular temperament perspective, is the tuning system derived by dividing the octave into 41 equally-sized steps. Each step is about 29.3 cents, an interval close in size to 64/63, the septimal comma.
Theory
| prime 2 | prime 3 | prime 5 | prime 7 | prime 11 | prime 13 | prime 17 | prime 19 | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Error | absolute (¢) | 0.0 | +0.5 | -5.8 | -3.0 | +4.8 | +8.3 | +12.1 | -4.8 |
| relative (%) | 0 | +2 | -20 | -10 | +16 | +28 | +41 | -17 | |
| Nearest edomapping | 41 | 24 | 13 | 33 | 19 | 29 | 4 | 10 | |
| Fifthspan | 0 | +1 | -8 | -14 | -18 | +20 | +7 | -3 | |
41edo can be seen as a tuning of the garibaldi temperament[1][2][3], the magic temperament[4] and the superkleismic (26&41) temperament. It is the second smallest equal division (after 29edo) whose perfect fifth is closer to just intonation than that of 12edo, and is the seventh zeta integral edo after 31; it is not, however, a zeta gap edo. This has to do with the fact that it can deal with the 11-limit fairly well, and the 13-limit perhaps close enough for government work, though its 13/10 is 14 cents sharp. Various 13-limit magic extensions are supported by 41: 13-limit magic, and less successfully necromancy and witchcraft, all merge into one in 41edo tuning. The 41f val provides a superb tuning for sorcery, giving a less-complex version of the 13-limit, and the 41ef val likewise works well for telepathy; telepathy and sorcery merging into one however not in 41edo but in 22edo.
41edo is consistent in the 15-odd-limit. In fact, all of its intervals between 100 and 1100 cents in size are 15-odd-limit consonances, although 16\41 as 13/10 is debatable. (In comparison, 31edo is only consistent up to the 11-odd-limit, and the intervals 12\31 and 19\31 have no 11-odd-limit approximations). Treated as a no-seventeens tuning, it is consistent all the way up to 21-odd-limit.
41et forms the foundation of the H-System, which uses the scale degrees of 41et as the basic 13-limit intervals requiring fine tuning +/- 1 average JND from the 41et circle in 205edo. 41et is also used by the Kite Guitar, see below in #instruments.
41edo is the 13th prime edo, following 37edo and coming before 43edo.
- ↑ Schismic Temperaments at x31eq.com, the website of Graham Breed
- ↑ Lattices with Decimal Notation at x31eq.com
- ↑ Wikipedia: Schismatic temperament
- ↑ Wikipedia: Magic temperament
Intervals
| # | Cents | Approximate Ratios* | Ups and Downs Notation | Andrew's Solfege |
Kite's Solfege | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 0 | 0.00 | 1/1 | perfect unison | P1 | D | do | do |
| 1 | 29.27 | 81/80, 64/63, 49/48 | up-unison | ^1 | ^D | di | da |
| 2 | 58.54 | 25/24, 28/27, 36/35, 33/32 | double-up 1sn, downminor 2nd | ^^1, vm2 | ^^D, vEb | ro | ru |
| 3 | 87.80 | 21/20, 22/21, 19/18, 20/19 | down-aug 1sn, minor 2nd | vA1, m2 | vD#, Eb | rih | ro |
| 4 | 117.07 | 16/15, 15/14, 14/13 | augmented 1sn, upminor 2nd | A1, ^m2 | D#, ^Eb | ra | ra |
| 5 | 146.34 | 12/11, 13/12 | mid 2nd | ~2 | ^D#, vvE | ru | ruh |
| 6 | 175.61 | 10/9, 11/10, 21/19 | downmajor 2nd | vM2 | vE | reh | reh |
| 7 | 204.88 | 9/8 | major 2nd | M2 | E | re | rih |
| 8 | 234.15 | 8/7, 15/13 | upmajor 2nd | ^M2 | ^E | ri | ri |
| 9 | 263.41 | 7/6, 22/19 | downminor 3rd | vm3 | vF | ma | mu |
| 10 | 292.68 | 32/27, 13/11, 19/16 | minor 3rd | m3 | F | meh | mo |
| 11 | 321.95 | 6/5 | upminor 3rd | ^m3 | ^F | me | ma |
| 12 | 351.22 | 11/9, 27/22, 16/13 | mid 3rd | ~3 | ^^F, vGb | mu | muh |
| 13 | 380.49 | 5/4, 26/21 | downmajor 3rd | vM3 | vF#, Gb | mi | meh |
| 14 | 409.76 | 81/64, 14/11, 24/19, 19/15 | major 3rd | M3 | F#, ^Gb | maa | mih |
| 15 | 439.02 | 9/7, 32/25 | upmajor 3rd | ^M3 | ^F#, vvG | mo | mi |
| 16 | 468.29 | 21/16, 13/10 | down-4th | v4 | vG | fe | fu |
| 17 | 497.56 | 4/3 | perfect 4th | P4 | G | fa | fo |
| 18 | 526.83 | 27/20, 15/11, 19/14 | up-4th | ^4 | ^G | fih | fa |
| 19 | 556.10 | 11/8, 18/13, 26/19 | mid-4th | ~4 | ^^G, vAb | fu | fuh |
| 20 | 585.37 | 7/5 | downaug 4th, dim 5th | vA4, d5 | vG#, Ab | fi | feh / so |
| 21 | 614.63 | 10/7 | aug 4th, updim 5th | A4, ^d5 | G#, ^Ab | se | fih / sa |
| 22 | 643.90 | 16/11, 13/9, 19/13 | mid-5th | ~5 | vvA | su | suh |
| 23 | 673.17 | 40/27, 22/15, 28/19 | down-5th | v5 | vA | sih | seh |
| 24 | 702.44 | 3/2 | perfect 5th | P5 | A | sol | sih |
| 25 | 731.71 | 32/21, 20/13 | up-5th | ^5 | ^A | si | si |
| 26 | 760.98 | 14/9, 25/16 | downminor 6th | vm6 | ^^A, vBb | lo | lu |
| 27 | 790.24 | 128/81, 11/7, 19/12, 30/19 | minor 6th | m6 | vA#, Bb | leh | lo |
| 28 | 819.51 | 8/5, 21/13 | upminor 6th | ^m6 | A#, ^Bb | le | la |
| 29 | 848.78 | 18/11, 44/27, 13/8 | mid 6th | ~6 | ^A#, vvB | lu | luh |
| 30 | 878.05 | 5/3 | downmajor 6th | vM6 | vB | la | leh |
| 31 | 907.32 | 27/16, 22/13, 32/19 | major 6th | M6 | B | laa | lih |
| 32 | 936.59 | 12/7, 19/11 | upmajor 6th | ^M6 | ^B | li | li |
| 33 | 965.85 | 7/4, 26/15 | downminor 7th | vm7 | vC | ta | tu |
| 34 | 995.12 | 16/9 | minor 7th | m7 | C | teh | to |
| 35 | 1024.39 | 9/5, 20/11, 38/21 | upminor 7th | ^m7 | ^C | te | ta |
| 36 | 1053.66 | 11/6, 24/13 | mid 7th | ~7 | ^^C, vDb | tu | tuh |
| 37 | 1082.93 | 15/8, 28/15, 13/7 | downmajor 7th | vM7 | vC#, Db | ti | teh |
| 38 | 1112.20 | 40/21, 21/11, 36/19, 19/10 | major 7th | M7 | C#, ^Db | taa | tih |
| 39 | 1141.46 | 48/25, 27/14, 35/18, 64/33 | upmajor 7th | ^M7 | C#^, vvD | to | ti |
| 40 | 1170.73 | 160/81, 63/32, 96/49 | dim 8ve | v8 | vD | da | du |
| 41 | 1200.00 | 2/1 | perfect 8ve | P8 | D | do | do |
* Based on treating 41-edo as a 2.3.5.7.11.13.19 subgroup temperament; other approaches are possible.
Combining ups and downs notation with color notation, qualities can be loosely associated with colors:
| quality | color | monzo format | examples |
|---|---|---|---|
| downminor | zo | (a, b, 0, 1) | 7/6, 7/4 |
| minor | fourthward wa | (a, b) with b < -1 | 32/27, 16/9 |
| upminor | gu | (a, b, -1) | 6/5, 9/5 |
| mid | ilo | (a, b, 0, 0, 1) | 11/9, 11/6 |
| " | lu | (a, b, 0, 0, -1) | 12/11, 18/11 |
| downmajor | yo | (a, b, 1) | 5/4, 5/3 |
| major | fifthward wa | (a, b) with b > 1 | 9/8, 27/16 |
| upmajor | ru | (a, b, 0, -1) | 9/7, 12/7 |
Chord names
All 41edo chords can be named using ups and downs. An up, down or mid immediately after the chord root affects the 3rd, 6th, 7th, and/or the 11th (every other note of a stacked-3rds chord 6-1-3-5-7-9-11-13). Alterations are always enclosed in parentheses, additions never are. Here are the zo, gu, ilo, yo and ru triads:
| color of the 3rd | JI chord | notes as edosteps | notes of C chord | written name | spoken name |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| zo (7-over) | 6:7:9 | 0-9-24 | C vEb G | Cvm | C downminor |
| gu (5-under) | 10:12:15 | 0-11-24 | C ^Eb G | C^m | C upminor |
| ilo (11-over) | 18:22:27 | 0-12-24 | C vvE G | C~ | C mid |
| yo (5-over) | 4:5:6 | 0-13-24 | C vE G | Cv | C downmajor or C down |
| ru (7-under) | 14:18:21 | 0-15-24 | C ^E G | C^ | C upmajor or C up |
0-10-20 = D F Ab = Dd = D dim
0-10-21 = D F ^Ab = Dd(^5) = D dim up-five
0-10-22 = D F vvA = Dm(~5) = D minor mid-five
0-10-23 = D F vA = Dm(v5) = D minor down-five
0-10-24 = D F A = Dm = D minor
0-14-24 = D F# A = D = D or D major
0-14-25 = D F# ^A = D(^5) = D up-five
0-14-26 = D F# ^^A = D(^^5) = D half-aug
0-14-27 = D F# vA# = Da(v5) = D aug down-five or perhaps D(v#5) = D downsharp-five
0-14-28 = D F# A# = Da = D aug
For a more complete list, see 41edo Chord Names and Ups and Downs Notation #Chords and Chord Progressions.
Notations
Red-Blue Notation
A red-note/blue-note system, similar to the one proposed for 36edo, is one option for notating 41edo. (This is separate from and not compatible with Kite's color notation.) We have the "white key" albitonic notes A-G (7 in total), the "black key" sharps and flats (10 in total), a "red" and "blue" version of each albitonic note (14 in total), a "red" (dark red?) version of each sharp and a "blue" (dark blue?) version of each flat (10 in total), adding up to 41. This would result in quite a colorful keyboard! Note that there are no red flats or blue sharps. Using this nomenclature the notes are:
A, red A, blue Bb, Bb, A#, red A#, blue B, B, red B, blue C, C, red C, blue Db, Db, C#, red C#, blue D, D, red D, blue Eb, Eb, D#, red D#, blue E, E, red E, blue F, F, red F, blue Gb, Gb, F#, red F#, blue G, G, red G, blue Ab, Ab, G#, red G#, blue A, A.
Interval classes could also be named by analogy. The natural, colorless, or gray interval classes are the Pythagorean ones (which show up in the standard diatonic scale), while "red" and "blue" versions are one step higher or lower. Gray thirds, sixths, and sevenths are usually more dissonant than their colorful counterparts, but the reverse is true of fourths and fifths.
The step size of 41edo is small enough that the smallest interval (the "red/blue unison", seventh-tone, comma, diesis or whatever you want to call it) is actually fairly consonant with most timbres; it resembles a "noticeably out of tune unison" rather than a minor second, and has its own distinct character and appeal.
If "red" is replaced by "up", "blue" by "down", and "neutral" by "mid", and if "gray" is omitted, this notation becomes essentially the same as ups and downs notation. The only difference is the use of minor tritone and major tritone.
Sagittal
From the appendix to The Sagittal Songbook by Jacob A. Barton, a diagram of how to notate 41-EDO in the Revo flavor of Sagittal:
JI approximation
15-odd-limit interval mappings
The following table shows how 15-odd-limit intervals are represented in 41edo. Prime harmonics are in bold.
| Interval, complement | Error (abs, ¢) |
|---|---|
| 4/3, 3/2 | 0.484 |
| 9/8, 16/9 | 0.968 |
| 15/14, 28/15 | 2.370 |
| 7/5, 10/7 | 2.854 |
| 8/7, 7/4 | 2.972 |
| 7/6, 12/7 | 3.456 |
| 13/11, 22/13 | 3.473 |
| 11/9, 18/11 | 3.812 |
| 9/7, 14/9 | 3.940 |
| 12/11, 11/6 | 4.296 |
| 11/8, 16/11 | 4.780 |
| 16/15, 15/8 | 5.342 |
| 5/4, 8/5 | 5.826 |
| 6/5, 5/3 | 6.310 |
| 10/9, 9/5 | 6.794 |
| 18/13, 13/9 | 7.285 |
| 14/11, 11/7 | 7.752 |
| 13/12, 24/13 | 7.769 |
| 16/13, 13/8 | 8.253 |
| 15/11, 22/15 | 10.122 |
| 11/10, 20/11 | 10.606 |
| 14/13, 13/7 | 11.225 |
| 15/13, 26/15 | 13.595 |
| 13/10, 20/13 | 14.079 |
Relationship to 12-edo
Whereas 12-edo has a circle of twelve 5ths, 41-edo has a spiral of twelve 5ths (since 24\41 is on the 7\12 kite in the scale tree). This spiral of 5th shows 41-edo in a 12-edo-friendly format. Excellent for introducing 41-edo to musicians unfamiliar with microtonal music. There are 12 "-ish" categories, where "-ish" means ±1 edostep. The 6 mid intervals are uncategorized, since they are all so far from 12edo. The two innermost and two outermost intervals on the spiral are duplicates.
The same spiral, but with notes not intervals:
Regular temperament properties
| Subgroup | Comma list | Mapping | Optimal 8ve stretch (¢) |
Tuning error | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Absolute (¢) | Relative (%) | ||||
| 2.3 | [65 -41⟩ | [⟨41 65]] | -0.153 | 0.15 | 0.52 |
| 2.3.5 | 3125/3072, 20000/19683 | [⟨41 65 95]] | +0.734 | 1.26 | 4.31 |
| 2.3.5.7 | 225/224, 245/243, 1029/1024 | [⟨41 65 95 115]] | +0.815 | 1.10 | 3.76 |
| 2.3.5.7.11 | 100/99, 225/224, 243/242, 245/242 | [⟨41 65 95 115 142]] | +0.375 | 1.32 | 4.51 |
| 2.3.5.7.11.13 | 100/99, 105/104, 144/143, 196/195, 243/242 | [⟨41 65 95 115 142 152]] | -0.060 | 1.55 | 5.29 |
| 2.3.5.7.11.13.19 | 100/99, 105/104, 133/132, 144/143, 171/169, 196/195 | [⟨41 65 95 115 142 152 174]] | +0.111 | 1.49 | 5.10 |
41et is lower in relative error than any previous equal temperaments in the 3-, 13- and 19-limit. The next ETs better in these subgroups are 53, 53, and 46, respectively. It is even more prominent in the 2.3.5.7.11.19 and 2.3.5.7.11.13.19 subgroup. The next ETs better in these subgroups are 72 and 53, respectively.
Commas
41 EDO tempers out the following commas using its patent val, ⟨41 65 95 115 142 152 168 174 185 199 203].
| Prime limit |
Ratio[1] | Cents | Monzo | Color name | Name(s) | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 3 | (40 digits) | 19.84 | [65 -41⟩ | Wa-41 | 41-edo | 41-comma |
| 5 | (14 digits) | 57.27 | [-5 -10 9⟩ | Tritriyo | y9 | Shibboleth comma |
| 5 | (16 digits) | 31.57 | [-25 7 6⟩ | Lala-tribiyo | LLy3 | Ampersand |
| 5 | 3125/3072 | 29.61 | [-10 -1 5⟩ | Laquinyo | Ly5 | Magic comma |
| 5 | (10 digits) | 27.66 | [5 -9 4⟩ | Saquadyo | sy4 | Tetracot comma |
| 5 | (18 digits) | 25.71 | [20 -17 3⟩ | Sasa-triyo | ssy3 | Roda |
| 5 | (10 digits) | 1.95 | [-15 8 1⟩ | Layo | Ly | Schisma |
| 7 | (10 digits) | 35.37 | [0 -7 6 -1⟩ | Rutribiyo | ry6 | Great BP diesis |
| 7 | (18 digits) | 22.41 | [-10 7 8 -7⟩ | Lasepru-aquadbiyo | Lr7y8 | Blackjackisma |
| 7 | 875/864 | 21.90 | [-5 -3 3 1⟩ | Zotriyo | zy3 | Keema |
| 7 | 3125/3087 | 21.18 | [0 -2 5 -3⟩ | Triru-aquinyo | r3y5 | Gariboh comma |
| 7 | (12 digits) | 19.95 | [10 -11 2 1⟩ | Sazoyoyo | szyy | Tolerma |
| 7 | (10 digits) | 16.14 | [-15 3 2 2⟩ | Labizoyo | Lzzyy | Mirwomo comma |
| 7 | 245/243 | 14.19 | [0 -5 1 2⟩ | Zozoyo | zzy | Sensamagic comma |
| 7 | 4000/3969 | 13.47 | [5 -4 3 -2⟩ | Rurutriyo | rry3 | Octagar comma |
| 7 | (12 digits) | 9.15 | [-15 0 -2 7⟩ | Lasepzo-agugu | Lz7gg | Quince comma |
| 7 | 1029/1024 | 8.43 | [-10 1 0 3⟩ | Latrizo | Lz3 | Gamelisma |
| 7 | 225/224 | 7.71 | [-5 2 2 -1⟩ | Ruyoyo | ryy | Marvel comma |
| 7 | (10 digits) | 6.99 | [0 3 4 -5⟩ | Quinru-aquadyo | r5y4 | Mirkwai comma |
| 7 | (10 digits) | 6.48 | [5 -7 -1 3⟩ | Satrizo-agu | sz3g | Hemimage comma |
| 7 | 5120/5103 | 5.76 | [10 -6 1 -1⟩ | Saruyo | sry | Hemifamity comma |
| 7 | (16 digits) | 3.80 | [25 -14 0 -1⟩ | Sasaru | ssr | Garischisma |
| 7 | 2401/2400 | 0.72 | [-5 -1 -2 4⟩ | Bizozogu | z4gg | Breedsma |
| 11 | (12 digits) | 29.72 | [15 0 1 0 -5⟩ | Saquinlu-ayo | s1u5y | Thuja comma |
| 11 | 245/242 | 21.33 | [-1 0 1 2 -2⟩ | Luluzozoyo | 1uuzzy | Cassacot |
| 11 | 100/99 | 17.40 | [2 -2 2 0 -1⟩ | Luyoyo | 1uyy | Ptolemisma |
| 11 | 1344/1331 | 16.83 | [6 1 0 1 -3⟩ | Trilu-azo | 1u3z | Hemimin |
| 11 | 896/891 | 9.69 | [7 -4 0 1 -1⟩ | Saluzo | s1uz | Pentacircle |
| 11 | (10 digits) | 8.39 | [16 0 0 -2 -3⟩ | Satrilu-aruru | s1u3rr | Orgonisma |
| 11 | 243/242 | 7.14 | [-1 5 0 0 -2⟩ | Lulu | 1uu | Rastma |
| 11 | 385/384 | 4.50 | [-7 -1 1 1 1⟩ | Lozoyo | 1ozg | Keenanisma |
| 11 | 441/440 | 3.93 | [-3 2 -1 2 -1⟩ | Luzozogu | 1uzzg | Werckisma |
| 11 | 1375/1372 | 3.78 | [-2 0 3 -3 1⟩ | Lotriruyo | 1or3y | Moctdel |
| 11 | 540/539 | 3.21 | [2 3 1 -2 -1⟩ | Lururuyo | 1urry | Swetisma |
| 11 | 3025/3024 | 0.57 | [-4 -3 2 -1 2⟩ | Loloruyoyo | 1ooryy | Lehmerisma |
| 11 | (12 digits) | 0.15 | [-1 2 -4 5 -2⟩ | Luluquinzo-aquadgu | 1uuz5g4 | Odiheim |
| 13 | 343/338 | 25.42 | [-1 0 0 3 0 -2⟩ | Thuthutrizo | 3uuz3 | |
| 13 | 105/104 | 16.57 | [-3 1 1 1 0 -1⟩ | Thuzoyo | 3uzy | Animist |
| 13 | (10 digits) | 14.61 | [12 -7 0 1 0 -1⟩ | Sathuzo | s3uz | Secorian |
| 13 | 275/273 | 12.64 | [0 -1 2 -1 1 -1⟩ | Thuloruyoyo | 3u1oryy | Gassorma |
| 13 | 144/143 | 12.06 | [4 2 0 0 -1 -1⟩ | Thulu | 3u1u | Grossma |
| 13 | 196/195 | 8.86 | [2 -1 -1 2 0 -1⟩ | Thuzozogu | 3uzzg | Mynucuma |
| 13 | 640/637 | 8.13 | [7 0 1 -2 0 -1⟩ | Thururuyo | 3urry | Huntma |
| 13 | 1188/1183 | 7.30 | [2 3 0 -1 1 -2⟩ | Thuthuloru | 3uu1or | Kestrel comma |
| 13 | 325/324 | 5.34 | [-2 -4 2 0 0 1⟩ | Thoyoyo | 3oyy | Marveltwin comma |
| 13 | 352/351 | 4.93 | [5 -3 0 0 1 -1⟩ | Thulo | 3u1o | Minthma |
| 13 | 364/363 | 4.76 | [2 -1 0 1 -2 1⟩ | Tholuluzo | 3o1uuz | Gentle comma |
| 13 | 847/845 | 4.09 | [0 0 -1 1 2 -2⟩ | Thuthulolozogu | 3uu1oozg | Cuthbert |
| 13 | 729/728 | 2.38 | [-3 6 0 -1 0 -1⟩ | Lathuru | L3ur | Squbema |
| 13 | 4096/4095 | 0.42 | [12 -2 -1 -1 0 -1⟩ | Sathurugu | s3urg | Schismina |
| 13 | (10 digits) | 0.16 | [3 -2 0 -1 3 -2⟩ | Thuthutrilo-aru | 3uu1o3r | Harmonisma |
| 17 | 2187/2176 | 8.73 | [-7 7 0 0 0 0 -1⟩ | Lasu | L17u | Septendecimal schisma |
| 17 | 256/255 | 6.78 | [8 -1 -1 0 0 0 -1⟩ | Sugu | 17ug | Septendecimal kleisma |
| 17 | 715/714 | 2.42 | [-1 -1 1 -1 1 1 -1⟩ | Sutholoruyo | 17u3o1ory | Septendecimal bridge comma |
| 19 | 210/209 | 8.26 | [1 1 1 1 -1 0 0 -1⟩ | Nuluzoyo | 19u1uzy | Spleen comma |
| 19 | 361/360 | 4.80 | [-3 -2 -1 0 0 0 0 2⟩ | Nonogu | 19oog2 | Go comma |
| 19 | 513/512 | 3.38 | [-9 3 0 0 0 0 0 1⟩ | Lano | L19o | Boethius' comma |
| 19 | 1216/1215 | 1.42 | [6 -5 -1 0 0 0 0 1⟩ | Sanogu | s19og | Eratosthenes' comma |
| 23 | 736/729 | 16.54 | [5 -6 0 0 0 0 0 0 1⟩ | Satwetho | s23o | Vicesimotertial comma |
| 29 | 145/144 | 11.98 | [-4 -2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1⟩ | Twenoyo | 29oy | 29th-partial chroma |
- ↑ Ratios with more than 8 digits are presented by placeholders with informative hints
Rank-2 temperaments
| Degree | Cents | Temperament(s) | Pergen | Some MOS Scales Available |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 29.27 | Slendi | (P8, P4/17) | Pathological 38-tone MOS |
| 2 | 58.54 | Hemimiracle Dodecacot |
(P8, P5/12) | 21-tone MOS |
| 3 | 87.80 | Octacot | (P8, P5/8) | 14-tone MOS: 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 2 |
| 4 | 117.07 | Miracle | (P8, P5/6) | 11-tone MOS: 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 1 |
| 5 | 146.34 | BPS / bohpier | (P8, P12/13) | 20-tone MOS |
| 6 | 175.61 | Tetracot / bunya / monkey Sesquiquartififths / sesquart |
(P8, P5/4) | 13-tone MOS: 1 5 1 5 1 5 1 5 5 1 5 1 5 |
| 7 | 204.88 | Baldy Quadrimage |
(P8, c3P4/20) | 11-tone MOS: 6 1 6 6 1 6 1 6 1 6 1 |
| 8 | 234.15 | Slendric / rodan / guiron | (P8, P5/3) | 11-tone MOS: 7 1 7 1 7 1 7 1 1 7 1 |
| 9 | 263.41 | Septimin | (P8, ccP4/11) | 9-tone MOS: 5 4 5 5 4 5 4 5 4 |
| 10 | 292.68 | Quasitemp | (P8, c3P4/14) | 29-tone MOS |
| 11 | 321.95 | Superkleismic | (P8, ccP4/9) | 11-tone MOS: 5 3 5 3 3 5 3 3 5 3 3 |
| 12 | 351.22 | Hemif / hemififths / salsa Karadeniz |
(P8, P5/2) | 10-tone MOS: 5 2 5 5 2 5 5 5 2 5 |
| 13 | 380.49 | Magic / witchcraft Quanharuk |
(P8, P12/5) | 10-tone MOS: 2 9 2 2 9 2 2 9 2 2 |
| 14 | 409.76 | Hocum hocus |
(P8, c3P4/10) | 32-tone MOS |
| 15 | 439.02 | Superthird | (P8, c6P5/18) | 11-tone MOS: 4 3 4 4 4 3 4 4 3 4 4 |
| 16 | 468.29 | Barbad | (P8, c7P4/19) | 8-tone MOS: 7 2 7 7 2 7 7 2 |
| 17 | 497.56 | Helmholtz / garibaldi / cassandra / andromeda Kwai |
(P8, P5) | 12-tone MOS: 4 3 4 3 3 4 3 4 3 4 3 4 3 3 |
| 18 | 526.83 | Trismegistus | (P8, c6P5/15) | 9-tone MOS: 5 5 3 5 5 5 5 3 5 |
| 19 | 556.10 | Alphorn | (P8, c7P4/16) | 9-tone MOS: 3 3 3 10 3 3 3 3 10 |
| 20 | 585.37 | Pluto Merman |
(P8, c3P4/7) | Pathological 35-tone MOS |
Scales and modes
A list of 41edo modes (MOS and others). See also Kite Guitar Scales and Kite Giedraitis's Categorizations of 41edo Scales.
Harmonic scale
41edo is the first edo to do some justice to Mode 8 of the harmonic series, which Dante Rosati calls the "Diatonic Harmonic Series Scale," consisting of overtones 8 through 16 (sometimes made to repeat at the octave).
| Overtones in "Mode 8": | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 |
| … as JI Ratio from 1/1: | 1/1 | 9/8 | 5/4 | 11/8 | 3/2 | 13/8 | 7/4 | 15/8 | 2/1 |
| … in cents: | 0 | 203.9 | 386.3 | 551.3 | 702.0 | 840.5 | 968.8 | 1088.3 | 1200.0 |
| Nearest degree of 41edo: | 0 | 7 | 13 | 19 | 24 | 29 | 33 | 37 | 41 |
| … in cents: | 0 | 204.9 | 380.5 | 556.1 | 702.4 | 848.8 | 965.9 | 1082.9 | 1200.0 |
While each overtone of Mode 8 is approximated within a reasonable degree of accuracy, the steps between the intervals are not uniquely represented. (41edo is, after all, a temperament.)
- 7\41 (7 degrees of 41edo) (204.9 cents) stands in for just ratio 9/8 (203.9 cents) – a close match.
- 6\41 (175.6 cents) stands in for both 10/9 (182.4 cents) and 11/10 (165.0 cents).
- 5\41 (146.3 cents) stands in for both 12/11 (150.6 cents) and 13/12 (138.6 cents).
- 4\41 (117.1 cents) stands in for 14/13 (128.3 cents), 15/14 (119.4 cents), and 16/15 (111.7 cents).
The scale in 41, as adjacent steps, thus goes: 7 6 6 5 5 4 4 4.
Nonoctave temperaments
Taking every third degree of 41edo produces a scale extremely close to 88cET or 88-cent equal temperament (or the 8th root of 3:2). Likewise, taking every fifth degree produces a scale very close to the equal-tempered Bohlen-Pierce Scale (or the 13th root of 3). See Relationship between Bohlen-Pierce and octave-ful temperaments, and see this chart:
| 3 degrees of 41edo near 88cET | overlap | 5 degrees of 41edo near BP | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 41edo | 88cET | cents | cents | cents | BP | 41edo |
| 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||
| 3 | 1 | 87.8 | ||||
| 146.3 | 1 | 5 | ||||
| 6 | 2 | 175.6 | ||||
| 9 | 3 | 263.4 | ||||
| 292.7 | 2 | 10 | ||||
| 12 | 4 | 351.2 | ||||
| 15 | 5 | 439.0 | 3 | 15 | ||
| 18 | 6 | 526.8 | ||||
| 585.4 | 4 | 20 | ||||
| 21 | 7 | 614.6 | ||||
| 24 | 8 | 702.4 | ||||
| 731.7 | 5 | 25 | ||||
| 27 | 9 | 790.2 | ||||
| 30 | 10 | 878.0 | 6 | 30 | ||
| 33 | 11 | 965.9 | ||||
| 1024.4 | 7 | 35 | ||||
| 36 | 12 | 1053.7 | ||||
| 39 | 13 | 1141.5 | ||||
| 1170.7 | 8 | 40 | ||||
| [ second octave ] | ||||||
| 1 | 14 | 29.2 | ||||
| 4 | 15 | 117.1 | 9 | 4 | ||
| 7 | 16 | 204.9 | ||||
| 263.4 | 10 | 9 | ||||
| 10 | 17 | 292.7 | ||||
| 13 | 18 | 380.5 | ||||
| 409.8 | 11 | 14 | ||||
| 16 | 19 | 468.3 | ||||
| 19 | 20 | 556.1 | 12 | 19 | ||
| 22 | 21 | 643.9 | ||||
| 702.4 | 13 | 24 | ||||
| 25 | 22 | 731.7 | ||||
| 28 | 23 | 819.5 | ||||
| 848.8 | 14 | 29 | ||||
| 31 | 24 | 907.3 | ||||
| 34 | 25 | 995.1 | 15 | 34 | ||
| 37 | 26 | 1082.9 | ||||
| 1141.5 | 16 | 39 | ||||
| 40 | 27 | 1170.7 | ||||
| [ third octave ] | ||||||
| 2 | 28 | 58.5 | ||||
| 87.8 | 17 | 3 | ||||
| 5 | 29 | 146.3 | ||||
| 8 | 30 | 234.1 | 18 | 8 | ||
| 11 | 31 | 322.0 | ||||
| 380.5 | 19 | 13 | ||||
| 14 | 32 | 409.8 | ||||
| 17 | 33 | 497.6 | ||||
| 526.8 | 20 | 18 | ||||
| 20 | 34 | 585.3 | ||||
| 23 | 35 | 673.2 | 21 | 23 | ||
| 26 | 36 | 761.0 | ||||
| 819.5 | 22 | 28 | ||||
| 29 | 37 | 848.8 | ||||
| 32 | 38 | 936.6 | ||||
| 965.9 | 23 | 33 | ||||
| 35 | 39 | 1024.4 | ||||
| 38 | 40 | 1112.2 | 24 | 38 | ||
Instruments
41-EDO Electric guitar, by Gregory Sanchez.
41-EDO Classical guitar, by Ron Sword.
The Kite Guitar (see also Kite Tuning) is a guitar fretting using every other step of 41-edo, i.e. 41-ED4 or "20½-edo". However, the interval between two adjacent open strings is always an odd number of 41-edosteps. Thus each string only covers half of 41-edo, but the full edo can be found on every pair of adjacent strings.The Kite Tuning makes 41-edo about as playable as 19-edo or 22-edo, although there are certain trade-offs. If the interval between strings is 13\41, 25 of the 41 intervals are in easy reach: vm2, ^m2, vM2, M2, ^M2, vm3, ^m3, vM3, ^M3, P4, ~4, d5, A4, ~5, P5, vm6, ^m6, vM6, ^M6, vm7, m7, ^m7, vM7, ^M7, P8.
A possible 41-edo keyboard design:
See also The Kite-tuned Keyboard. Another possible system to tune keyboards in 41EDO is discussed in http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/message/74155.
Music
- EveningHorizon play by Cameron Bobro
Links
- Wikipedia: 41 equal temperament
- Magic22 as srutis describes a possible use of 41edo for indian music.
- Magic family
- Sword, Ron. "Tetracontamonophonic Scales for Guitar"
- Taylor, Cam. Intervals, Scales and Chords in 41EDO, a work in progress using just intonation concepts and simplified Sagittal notation.