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The second comma in the comma list determines how we extend parapyth to include the harmonic 5.  
The second comma in the comma list determines how we extend parapyth to include the harmonic 5.  


Pele adds [[441/440]] and finds the harmonic 5 by equating the [[81/80|syntonic comma (81/80)]] with the [[64/63|septimal comma (64/63)]]. Together with the slightly sharp fifth this extension makes for one of the most natural interpretations. Sensamagic adds [[245/243]] or [[385/384]], a traditional RTT favorite. Apollo adds [[100/99]] or [[225/224]], and is even simpler than sensamagic. Uni adds [[540/539]]. Melpomene adds [[56/55]] or [[81/80]]. Terrapyth adds 585640/583443, a complex entry that finds the harmonic 5 at the triple augmented unison (AAA1). These all have the same lattice structure as parapyth.  
Pele adds [[441/440]] and finds the harmonic 5 by equating the [[81/80|syntonic comma (81/80)]] with the [[64/63|septimal comma (64/63)]]. Together with the slightly sharp fifth this extension makes for one of the most natural interpretations. Sensamagic adds [[245/243]] or [[385/384]], a traditional RTT favorite. Apollo adds [[100/99]] or [[225/224]], and is even simpler than sensamagic. Pentafrost adds [[245/242]]. Uni adds [[540/539]]. Melpomene adds [[56/55]] or [[81/80]]. Terrapyth adds 585640/583443, a complex entry that finds the harmonic 5 at the triple augmented unison (AAA1). These all have the same lattice structure as parapyth.  


Julius aka varda adds [[176/175]], splitting the octave into two. Parahemif adds [[243/242]], splitting the perfect fifth into two. Kujuku adds 14700/14641, splitting the perfect twelfth into two. Tolerant adds 2200/2187, splitting the ~33/32 into two. Finally, canta adds 472392/471625, splitting the ~14/9 into three.  
Julius aka varda adds [[176/175]], splitting the octave into two. Parahemif adds [[243/242]], splitting the perfect fifth into two. Kujuku adds 14700/14641, splitting the perfect twelfth into two. Tolerant adds 2200/2187, splitting the ~33/32 into two. Finally, canta adds 472392/471625, splitting the ~14/9 into three.  
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* ''[[Apollo]]'' → [[Marvel family #Apollo|Marvel family]]
* ''[[Apollo]]'' → [[Marvel family #Apollo|Marvel family]]
* [[Sensamagic]] → [[Sensamagic family #Undecimal sensamagic|Sensamagic family]]
* [[Sensamagic]] → [[Sensamagic family #Undecimal sensamagic|Sensamagic family]]
* ''[[Pele]]'' → [[Hemifamity family #Pele|Hemifamity family]]
* [[Pele]] → [[Hemifamity family #Pele|Hemifamity family]]
* ''[[Uni]]'' → [[Hemimage family #Uni|Hemimage family]]
* ''[[Uni]]'' → [[Hemimage family #Uni|Hemimage family]]
* ''[[Julius]]'' or ''[[varda]]'' → [[Diaschismic rank three family #Julius aka varda|Diaschismic rank-3 family]]
* ''[[Julius]]'' or ''[[varda]]'' → [[Diaschismic rank three family #Julius aka varda|Diaschismic rank-3 family]]
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Badness: 1.52 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
Badness: 1.52 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
== Pentafrost ==
Pentafrost tempers out the [[245/242|frostma]] in addition to 896/891 which also means that the [[schisma]] is tempered out, mapping prime 5 to 8 [[4/3|perfect fourths]] and -1 octaves.
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11
[[Comma list]]: [[245/242]], [[896/891]]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 15 0 7 | 0 1 -8 0 -4 | 0 0 0 1 1 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~7
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[CTE]]: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 701.883, ~7/4 = 964.864
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 701.903, ~7/4 = 964.614
* [[CE]]: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 702.006, ~7/4 = 964.085
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 24, 29, 36, 41, 106d }}
[[Badness]]: 1.58 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: [[105/104]], [[245/242]], [[352/351]]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 15 0 7 12 | 0 1 -8 0 -4 -7 | 0 0 0 1 1 1 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~7
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 702.106, ~7/4 = 962.655
* CWE: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 702.145, ~7/4 = 962.175
* CE: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 702.360, ~7/4 = 962.210
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 12f, 24, 29, 41 }}
Badness: 1.59 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
=== Permafrost ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: [[144/143]], [[245/242]], [[896/891]]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 15 0 7 -3 | 0 1 -8 0 -4 6 | 0 0 0 1 1 -1 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~7
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: 2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 701.783, ~7/4 = 966.113
* CWE: 2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 701.753, ~7/4 = 966.445
* CE: 2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 701.770, ~7/4 = 965.771
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 12, 17, 24, 36, 41, 77e }}
Badness: 2.62 × 10<sup>-3</sup>


== Tolerant ==
== Tolerant ==
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Badness: 1.04 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
Badness: 1.04 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
== Pentafrost ==
Pentafrost tempers out the [[245/242|frostma]] in addition to 896/891 which also means that the [[schisma]] is tempered out, mapping prime 5 to 8 [[4/3|perfect fourths]] and -1 octaves.
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11
[[Comma list]]: [[245/242]], [[896/891]]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 15 0 7 | 0 1 -8 0 -4 | 0 0 0 1 1 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~7
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[CTE]]: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 701.883, ~7/4 = 964.864
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 701.903, ~7/4 = 964.614
* [[CE]]: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 702.006, ~7/4 = 964.085
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 24, 29, 36, 41, 106d }}
[[Badness]]: 1.58 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: [[105/104]], [[245/242]], [[352/351]]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 15 0 7 12 | 0 1 -8 0 -4 -7 | 0 0 0 1 1 1 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~7
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 702.106, ~7/4 = 962.655
* CWE: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 702.145, ~7/4 = 962.175
* CE: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 702.360, ~7/4 = 962.210
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 12f, 24, 29, 41 }}
Badness: 1.59 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
=== Permafrost ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: [[144/143]], [[245/242]], [[896/891]]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 15 0 7 -3 | 0 1 -8 0 -4 6 | 0 0 0 1 1 -1 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~7
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: 2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 701.783, ~7/4 = 966.113
* CWE: 2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 701.753, ~7/4 = 966.445
* CE: 2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 701.770, ~7/4 = 965.771
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 12, 17, 24, 36, 41, 77e }}
Badness: 2.62 × 10<sup>-3</sup>

Revision as of 12:44, 20 December 2024

The pentacircle clan of rank-3 temperaments tempers out the pentacircle comma, 896/891. This has the effect of identifying 14/11 at the Pythagorean major third.

For the rank-4 pentacircle temperament, see Rank-4 temperament #Pentacircle (896/891).

Parapythic

Parapyth, by the original definition, is the 2.3.7.11.13 subgroup temperament tempering out 352/351 and 364/363. We begin by looking at the 2.3.7.11 restriction thereof.

Subgroup: 2.3.7.11

Comma list: 896/891

Mapping[1 0 0 7], 0 1 0 -4], 0 0 1 1]]

sval mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~7

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 703.8345, ~7/4 = 969.8722

Optimal ET sequence12, 17, 36, 41, 58, 63, 104, 225e, 266e, 370bee, 699bbdeee

Badness: 0.0205 × 10-3

Overview to extensions

Subgroup extensions

By tempering out 896/891, we have mapped 14/11 to the major third, suggesting a slightly sharp fifth. This makes the minor third very close to the flat-of-Pythagorean 13/11, and extending the temperament to include harmonic 13 this way implies we temper out 352/351. In fact, 896/891 = (352/351)(364/363), so it is a very natural interpretation, giving rise to the 2.3.7.11.13 subgroup temperament shown below.

Full 11-limit extensions

The second comma in the comma list determines how we extend parapyth to include the harmonic 5.

Pele adds 441/440 and finds the harmonic 5 by equating the syntonic comma (81/80) with the septimal comma (64/63). Together with the slightly sharp fifth this extension makes for one of the most natural interpretations. Sensamagic adds 245/243 or 385/384, a traditional RTT favorite. Apollo adds 100/99 or 225/224, and is even simpler than sensamagic. Pentafrost adds 245/242. Uni adds 540/539. Melpomene adds 56/55 or 81/80. Terrapyth adds 585640/583443, a complex entry that finds the harmonic 5 at the triple augmented unison (AAA1). These all have the same lattice structure as parapyth.

Julius aka varda adds 176/175, splitting the octave into two. Parahemif adds 243/242, splitting the perfect fifth into two. Kujuku adds 14700/14641, splitting the perfect twelfth into two. Tolerant adds 2200/2187, splitting the ~33/32 into two. Finally, canta adds 472392/471625, splitting the ~14/9 into three.

Temperaments discussed elsewhere are:

Considered below are tolerant, kujuku, and terrapyth.

Parapyth

Subgroup: 2.3.7.11.13

Comma list: 352/351, 364/363

Sval mapping: [1 0 0 7 12], 0 1 0 -4 -7], 0 0 1 1 1]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 703.8563, ~7/4 = 969.9074

Optimal ET sequence12f, 17, 41, 46, 58, 87, 104, 266ef, 329bef, 370beef, 474beef, 595bdeeeff, 699bbdeeeff

Badness: 0.101 × 10-3

Etypyth

Subgroup: 2.3.7.11.13.17

Comma list: 352/351, 364/363, 442/441

Sval mapping: [1 0 0 7 12 -13], 0 1 0 -4 -7 9], 0 0 1 1 1 1]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 704.0315, ~7/4 = 970.6051

Optimal ET sequence12f, 17g, 29g, 41g, 46, 58, 75e, 104, 121, 225e

Badness: 0.325 × 10-3

Terrapyth

Terrapyth tempers out the leapday comma, and can be described as 29 & 46 & 121.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 896/891, 585640/583443

Mapping: [1 0 -31 0 7], 0 1 21 0 -4], 0 0 0 1 1]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~7

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 704.1814, ~7/4 = 970.6217

Optimal ET sequence17c, 29, 46, 92de, 121, 167, 288be

Badness: 5.35 × 10-3

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 352/351, 364/363, 9295/9261

Mapping: [1 0 -31 0 7 12], 0 1 0 21 0 4 -7], 0 0 0 1 1 1]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 704.1691, ~7/4 = 970.8432

Optimal ET sequence17c, 29, 46, 75e, 92def, 121, 167, 288be

Badness: 2.48 × 10-3

17-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17

Comma list: 352/351, 364/363, 442/441, 715/714

Mapping: [1 0 -31 0 7 12 -13], 0 1 0 21 0 4 -7 9], 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 704.1628, ~7/4 = 970.6620

Optimal ET sequence17cg, 29g, 46, 75e, 92defg, 121, 167, 288beg

Badness: 1.52 × 10-3

Pentafrost

Pentafrost tempers out the frostma in addition to 896/891 which also means that the schisma is tempered out, mapping prime 5 to 8 perfect fourths and -1 octaves.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 245/242, 896/891

Mapping[1 0 15 0 7], 0 1 -8 0 -4], 0 0 0 1 1]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~7

Optimal tunings:

  • CTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 701.883, ~7/4 = 964.864
  • CWE: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 701.903, ~7/4 = 964.614
  • CE: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 702.006, ~7/4 = 964.085

Optimal ET sequence12, 24, 29, 36, 41, 106d

Badness: 1.58 × 10-3

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 105/104, 245/242, 352/351

Mapping: [1 0 15 0 7 12], 0 1 -8 0 -4 -7], 0 0 0 1 1 1]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~7

Optimal tunings:

  • CTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 702.106, ~7/4 = 962.655
  • CWE: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 702.145, ~7/4 = 962.175
  • CE: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 702.360, ~7/4 = 962.210

Optimal ET sequence: 12f, 24, 29, 41

Badness: 1.59 × 10-3

Permafrost

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 144/143, 245/242, 896/891

Mapping: [1 0 15 0 7 -3], 0 1 -8 0 -4 6], 0 0 0 1 1 -1]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~7

Optimal tunings:

  • CTE: 2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 701.783, ~7/4 = 966.113
  • CWE: 2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 701.753, ~7/4 = 966.445
  • CE: 2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 701.770, ~7/4 = 965.771

Optimal ET sequence: 12, 17, 24, 36, 41, 77e

Badness: 2.62 × 10-3

Tolerant

7-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 179200/177147

Mapping[1 0 0 -10], 0 1 0 11], 0 0 1 -2]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 703.9571, ~5/4 = 386.8863

Optimal ET sequence41, 80, 87, 121, 167, 208, 329b, 375b, 537b, 583b, 704bd

Badness: 0.165 × 10-3

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 896/891, 2200/2187

Mapping[1 0 0 -10 -3], 0 1 0 11 7], 0 0 1 -2 -2]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 704.0412, ~5/4 = 387.2927

Optimal ET sequence41, 80, 87, 121, 167, 208, 334be, 375be, 542bce

Badness: 1.039 × 10-3

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 325/324, 352/351, 364/363

Mapping: [1 0 0 -10 -3 2], 0 1 0 11 7 4], 0 0 1 -2 -2 -2]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 703.9605, ~5/4 = 386.9831

Optimal ET sequence41, 46, 80, 87, 121, 167, 208, 375be, 583bef

Badness: 1.021 × 10-3

17-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17

Comma list: 256/255, 325/324, 352/351, 364/363

Mapping: [1 0 0 -10 -3 2 8], 0 1 0 11 7 4 -1], 0 0 1 -2 -2 -2 -1]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 704.0831, ~5/4 = 387.3269

Optimal ET sequence41, 46, 75e, 80, 87, 121, 167, 288beg

Badness: 0.982 × 10-3

Kujuku

Kujuku splits the perfect twelfth into two. Scott Dakota has aliased this temperament SQPP (for semiquartal parapyth).

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 896/891, 14700/14641

Mapping[1 0 0 -13 -6], 0 2 0 17 9], 0 0 1 1 1]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~121/70, ~5

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~121/70 = 951.4956, ~5/4 = 386.7868

Optimal ET sequence24, 29, 34d, 53d, 58, 87, 121, 145, 179e, 208, 266e

Badness: 2.26 × 10-3

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 352/351, 364/363, 676/675

Mapping: [1 0 0 -13 -6 -1], 0 2 0 17 9 3], 0 0 1 1 1 1]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~26/15 = 951.8367, ~5/4 = 386.4048

Optimal ET sequence24, 29, 34d, 53d, 58, 87, 121, 179ef, 208, 266ef, 474beef

Badness: 1.06 × 10-3

Complexity spectrum: 15/13, 4/3, 13/10, 9/8, 13/11, 15/11, 12/11, 11/9, 11/8, 14/11, 16/13, 16/15, 11/10, 13/12, 9/7, 5/4, 18/13, 7/6, 6/5, 8/7, 10/9, 14/13, 15/14, 7/5

17-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17

Comma list: 256/255, 352/351, 364/363, 676/675

Mapping: [1 0 0 -13 -6 -1 8], 0 2 0 17 9 3 -2], 0 0 1 1 1 1 -1]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~26/15 = 951.8015, ~5/4 = 386.9912

Optimal ET sequence24, 34d, 58, 87, 121, 179ef, 208g, 266efg

Badness: 1.24 × 10-3

Trienparapyth

Trienparapyth can be described as the no-17's 23-limit 80 & 87 & 109 temperament. It splits the ~4/3 generator of parapythic into three ~11/10's by tempering out 4000/3993 = S10/S11 in the 11-limit and it interprets (11/10)2 accurately as 23/19 in its full subgroup, tempering out 2300/2299 = S20/S22, or optionally less accurately as ~17/14, though because this mapping only really makes much sense in 80edo it is not included here; however, its connection to parapyth structure comes from later in the generator chain; specifically, from (11/10)7 onwards. We may simplify (11/10)7 as (4/3)2(11/10) = 88/45, the octave-complement of 45/44. Notice that parapythic wants a slightly flat ~4/3 corresponding to an 11/10 being tuned anywhere from around just (in an extremely sharp-for-parapyth tuning) to a little less than 1-cent sharp, a very narrow tuning range; therefore 88/45 is flattened so that 2/(11/10)7~45/44 is sharpened so that we can equate it with 40/39, tempering out (40/39)/(45/44) = 352/351, and because we know we want prime 19 later on, we equate this with 39/38 by tempering out the pinkanberry, 1521/1520 = S39. Next, for eight generator steps, observe that (11/10)9/(11/10)/2 = (4/3)3/(11/10)/2 = (32/27)/(11/10) = 320/297 is sharp of 15/14 by 896/891, which is reasonable to equate it with because in an optimal tuning 11/10 will be very slightly sharp so that the interval of eight generator steps is eight times as sharp. Thus, tempering out 896/891 and 4000/3993 defines trienparapyth in the 11-limit, which also tempers out 3388/3375, the 13-limit adds 352/351, the no-17's 19-limit equates 40/39 with 39/38 and the no-17's 23-limit equates 23/19 with (11/10)2 as already mentioned.

Structurally, trienparapyth is three copies of parapyth with the independent generator of 7 connected to an equivalent independent generator for 5 through the ~15/7 reached at (11/10)8 so that ~20/7 is reached at (11/10)11, and this is how the last generator can be either 5 or 7.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 896/891, 3388/3375

Mapping[1 2 0 2 1], 0 -3 0 -11 1], 0 0 1 1 1]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~11/10, ~5

Optimal tunings:

  • CTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/10 = 165.4134, ~5/4 = 386.8872
  • CWE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/10 = 165.3593, ~5/4 = 387.8093

Optimal ET sequence7d, 14e, 15d, 22, 51, 58, 80, 87, 145, 167, 312ce, 479bce

Badness: 1.26 × 10-3

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 352/351, 364/363, 1001/1000

Mapping: [1 2 0 2 1 0], 0 -3 0 -11 1 10], 0 0 1 1 1 1]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~11/10, ~5

Optimal tunings:

  • CTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/10 = 165.3975, ~5/4 = 386.7908
  • CWE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/10 = 165.3802, ~5/4 = 387.8759

Optimal ET sequence: 7d, 22, 29, 51f, 51cde, 58, 80, 87, 145, 167, 225ce, 254, 312ce

Badness: 1.23 × 10-3

no-17's 19-limit

Note 109edo is a good patent val tuning not listed in the optimal ET sequence here.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.19

Comma list: 286/285, 352/351, 364/363, 400/399

Mapping: [1 2 0 2 1 0 0], 0 -3 0 -11 1 10 14], 0 0 1 1 1 1 1]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~11/10, ~5

Optimal tunings:

  • CTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/10 = 165.2990, ~5/4 = 386.3154
  • CWE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/10 = 165.2976, ~5/4 = 387.7451

Optimal ET sequence: 7d, 22, 29, 51fh, 51cde, 58h, 80, 87, 138cdeh, 167h

Badness: 1.22 × 10-3

no-17's 23-limit

Note 109edo is a good patent val tuning not listed in the optimal ET sequence here.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.19.23

Comma list: 208/207, 286/285, 352/351, 364/363, 400/399

Mapping: [1 2 0 2 1 0 0 0], 0 -3 0 -11 1 10 14 16], 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~11/10, ~5

Optimal tunings

  • CTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/10 = 165.2579, ~5/4 = 386.1446
  • CWE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/10 = 165.2679, ~5/4 = 387.7240

Optimal ET sequence: 22i, 29, 51fhi, 51cde, 58hi, 80, 87, 109, 138cdehi, 167hi

Badness: 1.04 × 10-3