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{{Wikipedia|Perfect fifth}}
{{Wikipedia|Perfect fifth}}


'''3/2''', the '''just perfect fifth''', is a very [[consonance|consonant]] interval, due to the numerator and denominator of its ratio being very small numbers, with only the [[2/1|octave]] and the [[3/1|tritave]] having smaller numbers. As such, it is very important in western music and many musical traditions, and approximating it is key in systems like [[12edo]] and other [[EDO]]s.
'''3/2''', the '''just perfect fifth''', is a very [[consonance|consonant]] interval, due to the numerator and denominator of its ratio being very small numbers, with only the [[2/1|octave]] and the [[3/1|tritave]] having smaller numbers. As such, it is very important in western music and many musical traditions, and approximating it is key in systems like [[12edo]] and other [[edo]]s.
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For harmonic [[timbre]]s, the loudest harmonics are usually the second and third ones (2/1 and 3/1). 3/2 is the interval between these two harmonics (which incidentally makes 3/2 [[superparticular]]). Thus 3/2 is easy to tune by ear, and it is easy to hear if it is mistuned.  
== Properties ==
For harmonic [[timbre|timbres]], the loudest harmonics are usually the second and third ones (2/1 and 3/1). 3/2 is the interval between these two harmonics (which incidentally makes 3/2 [[superparticular]]). Thus 3/2 is easy to tune by ear, and it's easy to hear if it's mistuned.  


== Usage ==
== Usage ==
Variations of the perfect fifth (whether [[just]] or tempered) appear in most [[Approaches to musical tuning|music of the world]]. [[Historical temperaments|Historically]], European music treated the perfect fifth as consonant long before it treated the major third—specifically [[5/4]]—as consonant. In the present day, the dominant tuning [[12edo]] approximates 3/2 very accurately.
Variations of the perfect fifth (whether [[just]] or tempered) appear in most [[approaches to musical tuning|music of the world]]. [[Historical temperaments|Historically]], European music treated the perfect fifth as consonant long before it treated the major third—specifically [[5/4]]—as consonant. In the present day, the dominant tuning [[12edo]] approximates 3/2 very accurately.


A [[Chain of fifths|chain of just perfect fifths]] generates [[Pythagorean tuning]]. The chain continues indefinitely and theoretically never returns to the starting note. A chain that ends at seven notes generates the historically important [[Wikipedia:Diatonic scale #Iteration of the fifth|Pythagorean diatonic scale]]. This scale is also the 7 natural notes of all "pyth-spine" notations, in which all uninflected notes are Pythagorean, such as [[HEJI]], [[Sagittal notation|Sagittal]], [[Ups and downs notation|ups and downs]], [[FJS]] and [[color notation]].
A [[chain of fifths|chain of just perfect fifths]] generates [[Pythagorean tuning]]. The chain continues indefinitely and theoretically never returns to the starting note. A chain that ends at seven notes generates the historically important Pythagorean [[5L 2s|diatonic]] scale. This scale is also the 7 natural notes of all "pyth-spine" notations, in which all uninflected notes are Pythagorean, such as [[HEJI]], [[Sagittal notation|Sagittal]], [[ups and downs notation|ups and downs]], [[FJS]] and [[color notation]].


Music using unusual intervals can be very disorienting. The presence of perfect fifths can provide a "ground" that make it less so. Some composers deliberately use tunings that lack fifths, to make their music sound more [[xenharmonic]].
Music using unusual intervals can be very disorienting. The presence of perfect fifths can provide a "ground" that make it less so. Some composers deliberately use tunings that lack fifths, to make their music sound more [[xenharmonic]].
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[[Meantone]] temperament flattens the fifth from just (to around 695–700 cents) such that the major third generated by stacking four fifths is closer to (or even identical to) 5/4. The minor 3rd generated by stacking three fourths is closer to 6/5.
[[Meantone]] temperament flattens the fifth from just (to around 695–700 cents) such that the major third generated by stacking four fifths is closer to (or even identical to) 5/4. The minor 3rd generated by stacking three fourths is closer to 6/5.


[[Superpyth]] temperaments ''sharpen'' the fifth from just so that the major third is closer to 9/7 and the minor third is closer to 7/6. Thus the minor 7th 16/9 approximates 7/4 instead of 9/5.
[[Superpyth]] temperaments ''sharpen'' the fifth from just so that the major third is closer to 9/7 and the minor third is closer to 7/6. Thus the minor seventh 16/9 approximates 7/4 instead of 9/5.


* One may choose to prioritize the accurate tuning of either the thirds or the harmonic seventh, leading to a ~710c tuning when prioritizing the thirds, or a ~715c tuning when prioritizing 7/4.
* One may choose to prioritize the accurate tuning of either the thirds or the harmonic seventh, leading to a ~710{{c}} tuning when prioritizing the thirds, or a ~715{{c}} tuning when prioritizing 7/4.


[[Schismatic|Schismic]] temperament adjusts the fifth such that the ''diminished fourth'' generated by stacking eight fourths approximates 5/4. As this is already a close approximation, the tuning of the fifth can be varied around its just tuning, but is most accurately flattened by a tiny amount. Thus a triad with 5/4 is written as {{nowrap|{{dash|C, F♭, G}}}} (unless the notation has accidentals for [[81/80]], e.g. {{nowrap|{{dash|C, vE, G}}}}).
[[Schismic]] temperament adjusts the fifth such that the ''diminished fourth'' generated by stacking eight fourths approximates 5/4. As this is already a close approximation, the tuning of the fifth can be varied around its just tuning, but is most accurately flattened by a tiny amount. Thus a triad with 5/4 is written as {{nowrap|{{dash|C, F♭, G}}}} (unless the notation has accidentals for [[81/80]], e.g. {{nowrap|{{dash|C, vE, G}}}}).


* Garibaldi temperament is an extension of schismatic that sharpens the fifth so that the small interval between the major third and diminished fourth can also be used to create simple 7-limit intervals.
* Garibaldi temperament is an extension of schismic that sharpens the fifth so that the small interval between the major third and diminished fourth can also be used to create simple 7-limit intervals.


== Approximations by edos ==
== Approximations by edos ==
12edo approximates 3/2 to within only 2{{c}}. [[29edo]], [[41edo]], and [[53edo]] are even more accurate. In regards to [[telicity]], while 12edo is a 2-strong 3-2 [[telic]] system, 53edo is notably a 3-strong 3-2 telic system.
12edo approximates 3/2 to within only 2{{c}}. [[29edo]], [[41edo]], and [[53edo]] are even more accurate. In regards to [[telicity]], while 12edo is a 2-strong 3-2 telic system, 53edo is notably a 3-strong 3-2 telic system.


The following edos (up to 200) approximate 3/2 to within both 7{{c}} and 7%. Errors are unsigned so that the table can be sorted by them. The arrow column indicates a sharp (↑) or flat (↓) fifth.
The following edos (up to 200) approximate 3/2 to within both 7{{c}} and 7%. Errors are unsigned so that the table can be sorted by them. The arrow column indicates a sharp () or flat () fifth.


{| class="wikitable sortable right-1 center-2 right-3 right-4 center-5"
{| class="wikitable sortable right-1 center-2 right-3 right-4 center-5"
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! [[Edo]]
! [[Edo]]
! class="unsortable" | Deg\edo
! class="unsortable" | Deg\edo
! Absolute <br>error ([[Cent|¢]])
! Absolute <br>error ([[cent|¢]])
! Relative <br>error (%)
! Relative <br>error (%)
! &#x2195;
! &#x2195;
! class="unsortable" | Equally accurate <br>multiples
! class="unsortable" | Equally accurate <br>multiples
|-
|-
|  [[12edo|12]]  ||  7\12  || 1.955 || 1.955 || &darr; || [[24edo|14\24]], [[36edo|21\36]]
|  [[12edo|12]]  ||  7\12  || 1.955 || 1.955 || || [[24edo|14\24]], [[36edo|21\36]]
|-
|-
|  [[17edo|17]]  ||  10\17  || 3.927 || 5.564 || &uarr; ||  
|  [[17edo|17]]  ||  10\17  || 3.927 || 5.564 || ||  
|-
|-
|  [[29edo|29]]  ||  17\29  || 1.493 || 3.609 || &uarr; ||  
|  [[29edo|29]]  ||  17\29  || 1.493 || 3.609 || ||  
|-
|-
|  [[41edo|41]]  ||  24\41  || 0.484 || 1.654 || &uarr; || [[82edo|48\82]], [[123edo|72\123]], [[164edo|96\164]]
|  [[41edo|41]]  ||  24\41  || 0.484 || 1.654 || || [[82edo|48\82]], [[123edo|72\123]], [[164edo|96\164]]
|-
|-
|  [[53edo|53]]  ||  31\53  || 0.068 || 0.301 || &darr; || [[106edo|62\106]], [[159edo|93\159]]
|  [[53edo|53]]  ||  31\53  || 0.068 || 0.301 || || [[106edo|62\106]], [[159edo|93\159]]
|-
|-
|  [[65edo|65]]  ||  38\65  || 0.416 || 2.256 || &darr; || [[130edo|76\130]], [[195edo|114\195]]
|  [[65edo|65]]  ||  38\65  || 0.416 || 2.256 || || [[130edo|76\130]], [[195edo|114\195]]
|-
|-
|  [[70edo|70]]  ||  41\70  || 0.902 || 5.262 || &uarr; ||  
|  [[70edo|70]]  ||  41\70  || 0.902 || 5.262 || ||  
|-
|-
|  [[77edo|77]]  ||  45\77  || 0.656 || 4.211 || &darr; ||  
|  [[77edo|77]]  ||  45\77  || 0.656 || 4.211 || ||  
|-
|-
|  [[89edo|89]]  ||  52\89  || 0.831 || 6.166 || &darr; ||  
|  [[89edo|89]]  ||  52\89  || 0.831 || 6.166 || ||  
|-
|-
|  [[94edo|94]]  ||  55\94  || 0.173 || 1.352 || &uarr; || [[188edo|110\188]]
|  [[94edo|94]]  ||  55\94  || 0.173 || 1.352 || || [[188edo|110\188]]
|-
|-
| [[111edo|111]] ||  65\111 || 0.748 || 6.916 || &uarr; ||  
| [[111edo|111]] ||  65\111 || 0.748 || 6.916 || ||  
|-
|-
| [[118edo|118]] ||  69\118 || 0.260 || 2.557 || &darr; ||  
| [[118edo|118]] ||  69\118 || 0.260 || 2.557 || ||  
|-
|-
| [[135edo|135]] ||  79\135 || 0.267 || 3.006 ||&uarr; ||  
| [[135edo|135]] ||  79\135 || 0.267 || 3.006 || ||  
|-
|-
| [[142edo|142]] ||  83\142 || 0.547 || 6.467 || &darr; ||  
| [[142edo|142]] ||  83\142 || 0.547 || 6.467 || ||  
|-
|-
| [[147edo|147]] ||  86\147 || 0.086 || 1.051 || &uarr; ||  
| [[147edo|147]] ||  86\147 || 0.086 || 1.051 || ||  
|-
|-
| [[171edo|171]] || 100\171 || 0.200 || 2.859 || &darr; ||  
| [[171edo|171]] || 100\171 || 0.200 || 2.859 || ||  
|-
|-
| [[176edo|176]] || 103\176 || 0.318 || 4.660 || &uarr; ||  
| [[176edo|176]] || 103\176 || 0.318 || 4.660 || ||  
|-
|-
| [[183edo|183]] || 107\183 || 0.316 || 4.814 || &darr; ||  
| [[183edo|183]] || 107\183 || 0.316 || 4.814 || ||  
|-
|-
| [[200edo|200]] || 117\200 || 0.045 || 0.750 || &uarr; ||  
| [[200edo|200]] || 117\200 || 0.045 || 0.750 || ||  
|}
|}


Edos can be classified by their approximation of 3/2 as:
Edos can be classified by their approximation of 3/2 as:
* '''Superflat''' edos have fifths narrower than {{nowrap|4\7 {{=}} ~686{{c}}}}
* '''Superflat''' edos have fifths narrower than {{nowrap| 4\7 {{=}} ~686{{c}} }}
* '''Perfect''' edos have fifths of exactly 4\7
* '''Perfect''' edos have fifths of exactly 4\7
* '''Diatonic''' edos have fifths between 4\7 and {{nowrap|3\5 {{=}} 720{{c}}}}
* '''Diatonic''' edos have fifths between 4\7 and {{nowrap| 3\5 {{=}} 720{{c}} }}
* '''Pentatonic''' have fifths of exactly 3\5
* '''Pentatonic''' have fifths of exactly 3\5
* '''Supersharp''' edos have fifths wider than 3\5
* '''Supersharp''' edos have fifths wider than 3\5
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! Degree
! Degree
! Cents
! Cents
! Edo Category
! Edo category
! Error (¢)
! Error (¢)
|-
|-
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| 4\7
| 4\7
| 685.714
| 685.714
| perfect edo
| Perfect edo
| −16.241
| −16.241
|-
|-
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| 5\8
| 5\8
| 750.000
| 750.000
| supersharp edo
| Supersharp edo
|  +48.045
|  +48.045
|-
|-
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| 5\9
| 5\9
| 666.667
| 666.667
| superflat edo
| Superflat edo
| −35.288
| −35.288
|-
|-
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| 6\10
| 6\10
| 720.000
| 720.000
| pentatonic edo
| Pentatonic edo
|  +18.045
|  +18.045
|-
|-
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| 6\11
| 6\11
| 654.545
| 654.545
| superflat edo
| Superflat edo
| −47.41
| −47.41
|-
|-
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| 7\12
| 7\12
| 700.000
| 700.000
| diatonic edo
| Diatonic edo
| −1.955
| −1.955
|-
|-
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| 8\13
| 8\13
| 738.462
| 738.462
| supersharp edo
| Supersharp edo
|  +36.507
|  +36.507
|-
|-
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| 8\14
| 8\14
| 685.714
| 685.714
| perfect edo
| Perfect edo
| −16.241
| −16.241
|-
|-
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| 9\15
| 9\15
| 720.000
| 720.000
| pentatonic edo
| Pentatonic edo
|  +18.045
|  +18.045
|-
|-
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| 9\16
| 9\16
| 675.000
| 675.000
| superflat edo
| Superflat edo
| −26.955
| −26.955
|-
|-
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| 10\17
| 10\17
| 705.882
| 705.882
| diatonic edo
| Diatonic edo
|  +3.927
|  +3.927
|-
|-
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| 11\18
| 11\18
| 733.333
| 733.333
| supersharp edo
| Supersharp edo
|  +31.378
|  +31.378
|-
|-
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| 11\19
| 11\19
| 694.737
| 694.737
| diatonic edo
| Diatonic edo
| −7.218
| −7.218
|-
|-
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| 12\20
| 12\20
| 720.000
| 720.000
| pentatonic edo
| Pentatonic edo
|  +18.045
|  +18.045
|-
|-
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| 12\21
| 12\21
| 685.714
| 685.714
| perfect edo
| Perfect edo
| −16.241
| −16.241
|-
|-
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| 13\22
| 13\22
| 709.091
| 709.091
| diatonic edo
| Diatonic edo
|  +7.136
|  +7.136
|-
|-
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| 13\23
| 13\23
| 678.261
| 678.261
| superflat edo
| Superflat edo
| −23.694
| −23.694
|-
|-
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| 14\24
| 14\24
| 700.000
| 700.000
| diatonic edo
| Diatonic edo
| −1.955
| −1.955
|-
|-
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| 15\25
| 15\25
| 720.000
| 720.000
| pentatonic edo
| Pentatonic edo
|  +18.045
|  +18.045
|-
|-
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| 15\26
| 15\26
| 692.308
| 692.308
| diatonic edo
| Diatonic edo
| −9.647
| −9.647
|-
|-
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| 16\27
| 16\27
| 711.111
| 711.111
| diatonic edo
| Diatonic edo
|  +9.156
|  +9.156
|-
|-
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| 16\28
| 16\28
| 685.714
| 685.714
| perfect edo
| Perfect edo
| −16.241
| −16.241
|-
|-
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| 17\29
| 17\29
| 703.448
| 703.448
| diatonic edo
| Diatonic edo
|  +1.493
|  +1.493
|-
|-
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| 18\30
| 18\30
| 720.000
| 720.000
| pentatonic edo
| Pentatonic edo
|  +18.045
|  +18.045
|-
|-
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| 18\31
| 18\31
| 696.774
| 696.774
| diatonic edo
| Diatonic edo
| −5.181
| −5.181
|}
|}
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== As a dyad ==
== As a dyad ==
{{Infobox Chord|2:3|ColorName=5|debug=1}}
{{Infobox Chord|2:3|ColorName=5|debug=1}}
'''2:3''' is a 3-limit [[dyad]], known as the '''five chord''' (as in C5 not V), or as the '''power chord'''. This dyad is indispensable in certain musical genres such as [[African music#Equiheptatonic tunings|mbira music]]<nowiki/> and late medieval music. In the latter, when voiced as hi5add8, it's known as the '''trine''', a very common closing chord.
'''2:3''' is a 3-limit [[dyad]], known as the '''five chord''' (as in C5 not V), or as the '''power chord'''. This dyad is indispensable in certain musical genres such as [[African music #Equiheptatonic tunings|mbira music]] and late medieval music. In the latter, when voiced as hi5add8, it's known as the '''trine''', a very common closing chord.


=== Notable voicings ===
=== Notable voicings ===
{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
|+
|+
!Voices
! Voices
![[EFR]]
! [[EFR]]
![[Kite's thoughts on hi-lo notation|Hi-lo name]]
! [[Kite's thoughts on hi-lo notation|Hi-lo name]]
!Special properties
! Special properties
|-
|-
| rowspan="3" |2 voices
| rowspan="3" | 2 voices
|1:3
| 1:3
|hi5
| hi5
|AOV ([[Odd limit#Proposed extensions|all-odd voicing]])
| AOV ([[Odd limit #Proposed extensions|all-odd voicing]])
|-
|-
|2:3
| 2:3
|basic
| basic
|CAOV (condensed AOV)
| CAOV (condensed AOV)
|-
|-
|3:4
| 3:4
|lo5
| lo5
|1st inversion
| 1st inversion
|-
|-
| rowspan="3" |3 voices
| rowspan="3" |3 voices
|1:2:3
| 1:2:3
|hi5add8
| hi5add8
|the trine
| The trine
|-
|-
|2:3:4
| 2:3:4
|add8
| add8
|
|  
|-
|-
|3:4:6
| 3:4:6
|addlo5
| addlo5
|2:3:4 melodically inverted
| 2:3:4 melodically inverted
|}
|}
{{Clear}}
{{Clear}}
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* [[Edf]] – tunings which equally divide 3/2
* [[Edf]] – tunings which equally divide 3/2
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
* {{OEIS| A060528 }} – sequence of edos with increasingly better approximations of 3/2 (and by extension 4/3)
* {{OEIS|A060528}} – sequence of edos with increasingly better approximations of 3/2 (and by extension 4/3)
* {{OEIS| A005664 }} – denominators of the convergents to log<sub>2</sub>(3)
* {{OEIS|A005664}} – denominators of the convergents to log<sub>2</sub>(3)
* {{OEIS| A206788 }} – denominators of the semiconvergents to log<sub>2</sub>(3)
* {{OEIS|A206788}} – denominators of the semiconvergents to log<sub>2</sub>(3)


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[[Category:Fifth]]
[[Category:Taxicab-2 intervals]]
[[Category:Taxicab-2 intervals]]
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