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The '''13-limit''' or 13-prime-limit consists of [[just intonation]] [[interval]]s such that the highest [[prime factor]] in all [[ratio]]s is 13. Thus, [[40/39]] would be within the 13-limit, since 40 is {{nowrap|2 × 2 × 2 × 5}} and 39 is {{nowrap|3 × 13}}, but [[34/33]] would not, since 34 is {{nowrap|2 × 17}}, and [[17-limit|17]] is a prime number higher than 13. The 13-limit is the 6th [[prime limit]] and is a superset of the [[11-limit]] and a subset of the [[17-limit]].  
The '''13-limit''' (a.k.a. ''yazalatha'' in [[color notation]]) consists of [[just intonation]] [[interval]]s such that the highest [[prime factor]] in all [[ratio]]s is 13. It is the 6th [[prime limit]] and is a superset of the [[11-limit]] and a subset of the [[17-limit]]. An example of an interval in the 13-limit is [[40/39]], since 40 is {{nowrap| 2 × 2 × 2 × 5 }} and 39 is {{nowrap| 3 × 13 }}; a counterexample is [[34/33]], since 34 is {{nowrap| 2 × 17 }}, and [[17/1|17]] is a prime number higher than 13.  


The 13-limit is a [[rank and codimension|rank-6]] system, and can be modeled in a 5-dimensional [[lattice]], with the primes 3, 5, 7, 11, and 13 represented by each dimension. The prime 2 does not appear in the typical 13-limit lattice because [[octave equivalence]] is presumed. If octave equivalence is not presumed, a sixth dimension is needed.
The 13-limit is a [[rank and codimension|rank-6]] system, and can be modeled in a 5-dimensional [[lattice]], with the primes [[3/1|3]], [[5/1|5]], [[7/1|7]], [[11/1|11]], and [[13/1|13]] represented by each dimension. The prime [[2/1|2]] does not appear in the typical 13-limit lattice because [[octave equivalence]] is presumed. If octave equivalence is not presumed, a sixth dimension is needed.


These things are contained by the 13-limit, but not the 11-limit:  
These things are contained by the 13-limit, but not the 11-limit:  
* The [[13-odd-limit|13-]] and [[15-odd-limit]];  
* The [[13-odd-limit|13-]] and [[15-odd-limit]];  
* Mode 7 and 8 of the harmonic or subharmonic series.  
* Mode 7 and 8 of the harmonic or subharmonic series; this means it completes the 4th octave of those series.  


The 13-limit intervals of the 2.3.13 subgroup, such as [[13/12]] and [[16/13]], are close to neutral intervals, but are further from true (hemipythagorean) neutral intervals than [[2.3.11 subgroup]] intervals, and may thus be termed "subneutral" and "superneutral". In [[superpyth]]agorean systems, however, these intervals become closer to true neutral intervals than the 2.3.11 ones. In contrast, 2.3.11 intervals are closest to true neutral intervals when the fifth is slightly flat of just. This is somewhat analogous to intervals of primes [[5/1|5]] and [[7/1|7]], where flattening the fifth makes pythagorean intervals approximate ratios of 5 via [[meantone]], and sharpening the fifth makes pythagorean intervals approximate ratios of 7 via superpyth. In both cases, sharpening the fifth to approximate higher-limit intervals does more damage than flattening the fifth.
In a 13-limit system, all the ratios of the 13- or 15-odd-limit can be treated as potential [[consonance]]s.


As prime limits increase, ratios containing different primes over [[3/1|3]] in the numerator and denominator become more and more important. Such ratios include [[15/14]], [[14/13]], [[11/10]], [[15/13]], [[13/11]], [[14/11]], [[13/10]], [[15/11]], [[7/5]], and their [[octave complement]]s. An example of a way to use these intervals is to build Root-3rd-P5 triads with a 14/11 [[neogothic]] major third or a 13/11 neogothic minor third, leading to the [[22:28:33]] neogothic major triad and the [[22:26:33]] neogothic minor triad. These chords invert to each other if and only if [[364/363]], the minor minthma, is tempered out. Another such chord is [[10:13:15]], which consists of a 13/10 ultramajor third and a [[15/13]] inframinor third. These ratios are approximated well in [[29edo]], and [[mystery]] temperament makes use of this fact.
The 13-limit intervals of the [[2.3.13 subgroup]], such as [[13/12]] and [[16/13]], are close to [[neutral (interval quality)|neutral]] intervals, but are further from true ([[hemipyth]]agorean) neutral intervals than [[2.3.11 subgroup]] intervals, and thus may be termed "subneutral" and "superneutral". Such intervals can be obtained by translating a Pythagorean interval by the tridecimal quartertone of [[1053/1024]].
 
As prime limits increase, ratios containing different primes over [[3/1|3]] in the numerator and denominator become more and more numerous. Such ratios include [[15/14]], [[14/13]], [[11/10]], [[15/13]], [[13/11]], [[14/11]], [[13/10]], [[15/11]], [[7/5]], and their [[octave complement]]s. An example of a way to use these intervals is to build {{w|tertian harmony|tertian}} triads such as [[10:13:15]], which consists of a 13/10 ultramajor third and a [[15/13]] inframinor third. Other examples include the [[neogothic major and minor]] triads of [[22:28:33]] and [[22:26:33]], which can be tempered to the 13-odd-limit via vanishing of [[364/363]], but can also be used as they are.
 
The subgroup can be conveniently rank-reduced into the 7-limit without much loss in accuracy by tempering out [[2080/2079]] and [[4096/4095]], resulting in the [[olympic]] temperament, which equates 36/35 with 1053/1024 and (64/63)<sup>2</sup> with 33/32. Other notable rank-reductions include [[orthoschismic]] and [[cassaschismic]], which rank-reduces olympic by equating 81/80 or 64/63 respectively with the [[Pythagorean comma]].  


== Edo approximation ==
== Edo approximation ==
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== Music ==
== Music ==
; [[User:Tristanbay|Tristan Bay]]
* [https://youtu.be/ouUV2Uwr2qI ''Junp''] – in [[User:Tristanbay/Margo Scale|a 2.3.11/7.13/7 subgroup JI scale]]


; [[E8 Heterotic]]
; [[E8 Heterotic]]
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* [http://sonic-arts.org/hill/10-passages-ji/10-passages-ji.htm ''Venusian Cataclysms'']{{dead link}} [http://sonic-arts.org/hill/10-passages-ji/02_hill_venusian-cataclysms.mp3 play]{{dead link}}
* [http://sonic-arts.org/hill/10-passages-ji/10-passages-ji.htm ''Venusian Cataclysms'']{{dead link}} [http://sonic-arts.org/hill/10-passages-ji/02_hill_venusian-cataclysms.mp3 play]{{dead link}}
* [http://sonic-arts.org/hill/10-passages-ji/10-passages-ji.htm ''Chord Progression on the Harmonic Overtone Series'']{{dead link}} [http://sonic-arts.org/hill/10-passages-ji/06_hill_chord-progression-on-harmonic-series.mp3 play]{{dead link}}
* [http://sonic-arts.org/hill/10-passages-ji/10-passages-ji.htm ''Chord Progression on the Harmonic Overtone Series'']{{dead link}} [http://sonic-arts.org/hill/10-passages-ji/06_hill_chord-progression-on-harmonic-series.mp3 play]{{dead link}}
; [https://youtube.com/@hojominori?si=gqJP3hzvup2YL0sz Hojo Minori]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSIS2lobkTk ''P`rismatic fut`URE''] (2025)


; [[Ben Johnston]]
; [[Ben Johnston]]
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; [[Claudi Meneghin]]
; [[Claudi Meneghin]]
* [http://web.archive.org/web/20160412025512/http://soonlabel.com/xenharmonic/archives/2089 ''Canon on a ground''] – in 2.11.13 subgroup
* [http://web.archive.org/web/20160412025512/http://soonlabel.com/xenharmonic/archives/2089 ''Canon on a ground''] – in 2.11.13 subgroup
; [https://youtube.com/@hojominori?si=gqJP3hzvup2YL0sz Hojo Minori]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSIS2lobkTk ''P`rismatic fut`URE''] (2025)
; [[Claire Rose]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SpqznLRjGGA ''fretless harp guitar study] (2026)


; [[Gene Ward Smith]]
; [[Gene Ward Smith]]
* [https://archive.org/details/ThrenodyForTheVictimsOfWolfgangAmadeusMozart ''Threnody for the Victims of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart''] (archived 2010) – 13-limit JI in [[6079edo]] tuning
* [https://archive.org/details/ThrenodyForTheVictimsOfWolfgangAmadeusMozart ''Threnody for the Victims of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart''] (archived 2010) – 13-limit JI in [[6079edo]] tuning
* [https://archive.org/details/RoughDiamond ''Rough Diamond''] (archived 2010) a.k.a. ''Diamond in the Rough''<ref>[http://lumma.org/tuning/gws/gene.html xenharmony.org mirror | ''Gene's Music'']</ref> – symphonic con brio using the Partch 13-odd-limit tonality diamond as a scale.  
* [https://archive.org/details/RoughDiamond ''Rough Diamond''] (archived 2010) a.k.a. ''Diamond in the Rough''<ref>[http://lumma.org/tuning/gws/gene.html xenharmony.org mirror | ''Gene's Music'']</ref> – symphonic con brio using the Partch 13-odd-limit tonality diamond as a scale.  
; [[User:Tristanbay|Tristan Bay]]
* [https://youtu.be/ouUV2Uwr2qI ''Junp''] – in [[User:Tristanbay/Margo Scale|a 2.3.11/7.13/7 subgroup JI scale]]


; [[Randy Wells]]
; [[Randy Wells]]
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* [[Augmented chords in just intonation, some]] (they are 13-limit)
* [[Augmented chords in just intonation, some]] (they are 13-limit)


== Notes ==
== References ==


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