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== Music ==
== Music ==
; [[User:Tristanbay|Tristan Bay]]
* [https://youtu.be/ouUV2Uwr2qI ''Junp''] – in [[User:Tristanbay/Margo Scale|a 2.3.11/7.13/7 subgroup JI scale]]


; [[E8 Heterotic]]
; [[E8 Heterotic]]
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* [http://sonic-arts.org/hill/10-passages-ji/10-passages-ji.htm ''Venusian Cataclysms'']{{dead link}} [http://sonic-arts.org/hill/10-passages-ji/02_hill_venusian-cataclysms.mp3 play]{{dead link}}
* [http://sonic-arts.org/hill/10-passages-ji/10-passages-ji.htm ''Venusian Cataclysms'']{{dead link}} [http://sonic-arts.org/hill/10-passages-ji/02_hill_venusian-cataclysms.mp3 play]{{dead link}}
* [http://sonic-arts.org/hill/10-passages-ji/10-passages-ji.htm ''Chord Progression on the Harmonic Overtone Series'']{{dead link}} [http://sonic-arts.org/hill/10-passages-ji/06_hill_chord-progression-on-harmonic-series.mp3 play]{{dead link}}
* [http://sonic-arts.org/hill/10-passages-ji/10-passages-ji.htm ''Chord Progression on the Harmonic Overtone Series'']{{dead link}} [http://sonic-arts.org/hill/10-passages-ji/06_hill_chord-progression-on-harmonic-series.mp3 play]{{dead link}}
; [https://youtube.com/@hojominori?si=gqJP3hzvup2YL0sz Hojo Minori]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSIS2lobkTk ''P`rismatic fut`URE''] (2025)


; [[Ben Johnston]]
; [[Ben Johnston]]
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; [[Claudi Meneghin]]
; [[Claudi Meneghin]]
* [http://web.archive.org/web/20160412025512/http://soonlabel.com/xenharmonic/archives/2089 ''Canon on a ground''] – in 2.11.13 subgroup
* [http://web.archive.org/web/20160412025512/http://soonlabel.com/xenharmonic/archives/2089 ''Canon on a ground''] – in 2.11.13 subgroup
; [https://youtube.com/@hojominori?si=gqJP3hzvup2YL0sz Hojo Minori]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSIS2lobkTk ''P`rismatic fut`URE''] (2025)
; [[Claire Rose]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SpqznLRjGGA ''fretless harp guitar study] (2026)


; [[Gene Ward Smith]]
; [[Gene Ward Smith]]
* [https://archive.org/details/ThrenodyForTheVictimsOfWolfgangAmadeusMozart ''Threnody for the Victims of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart''] (archived 2010) – 13-limit JI in [[6079edo]] tuning
* [https://archive.org/details/ThrenodyForTheVictimsOfWolfgangAmadeusMozart ''Threnody for the Victims of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart''] (archived 2010) – 13-limit JI in [[6079edo]] tuning
* [https://archive.org/details/RoughDiamond ''Rough Diamond''] (archived 2010) a.k.a. ''Diamond in the Rough''<ref>[http://lumma.org/tuning/gws/gene.html xenharmony.org mirror | ''Gene's Music'']</ref> – symphonic con brio using the Partch 13-odd-limit tonality diamond as a scale.  
* [https://archive.org/details/RoughDiamond ''Rough Diamond''] (archived 2010) a.k.a. ''Diamond in the Rough''<ref>[http://lumma.org/tuning/gws/gene.html xenharmony.org mirror | ''Gene's Music'']</ref> – symphonic con brio using the Partch 13-odd-limit tonality diamond as a scale.  
; [[User:Tristanbay|Tristan Bay]]
* [https://youtu.be/ouUV2Uwr2qI ''Junp''] – in [[User:Tristanbay/Margo Scale|a 2.3.11/7.13/7 subgroup JI scale]]


; [[Randy Wells]]
; [[Randy Wells]]

Revision as of 12:45, 27 January 2026

The 13-limit or 13-prime-limit consists of just intonation intervals such that the highest prime factor in all ratios is 13. Thus, 40/39 would be within the 13-limit, since 40 is 2 × 2 × 2 × 5 and 39 is 3 × 13, but 34/33 would not, since 34 is 2 × 17, and 17 is a prime number higher than 13. The 13-limit is the 6th prime limit and is a superset of the 11-limit and a subset of the 17-limit.

The 13-limit is a rank-6 system, and can be modeled in a 5-dimensional lattice, with the primes 3, 5, 7, 11, and 13 represented by each dimension. The prime 2 does not appear in the typical 13-limit lattice because octave equivalence is presumed. If octave equivalence is not presumed, a sixth dimension is needed.

These things are contained by the 13-limit, but not the 11-limit:

  • The 13- and 15-odd-limit;
  • Mode 7 and 8 of the harmonic or subharmonic series.

The 13-limit intervals of the 2.3.13 subgroup, such as 13/12 and 16/13, are close to neutral intervals, but are further from true (hemipythagorean) neutral intervals than 2.3.11 subgroup intervals, and may thus be termed "subneutral" and "superneutral".

The 13- or 15-odd-limit consists of intervals whose numerators and denominators, when all factors of two have been removed, are less than or equal to 13 or 15, respectively. As prime limits increase, ratios containing different primes over 3 in the numerator and denominator become more and more numerous. Such ratios include 15/14, 14/13, 11/10, 15/13, 13/11, 14/11, 13/10, 15/11, 7/5, and their octave complements. In a 13-limit system, all the ratios of the 13- or 15-odd-limit can be treated as potential consonances. An example of a way to use these intervals is to build tertian triads such as 10:13:15, which consists of a 13/10 ultramajor third and a 15/13 inframinor third. Another example is the neogothic major and minor triads of 22:28:33 and 22:26:33, which can be tempered to the 13-odd-limit via vanishing of 364/363, but can also be used as they are.

Edo approximation

Edos which represent 13-limit intervals better (monotonicity limit ≥ 13 and decreasing TE error): 15, 17c, 19, 26, 27e, 29, 31, 41, 46, 53, 58, 72, 87, 103, 111, 121, 130, 183, 190, 198, 224, 270, 494 and so on. For a more comprehensive list, see Sequence of equal temperaments by error.

Here is a list of edos which tunes the 13-limit well relative to their size (TE relative error < 5.5%): 31, 41, 46, 53, 58, 72, 87, 94, 103, 111, 121, 130, 140, 152f, 159, 183, 190, 198, 212, 217, 224, 270, 282, 296, 301, 311, 320, 328, 342f, 354, 364, 369f, 373, 383, 400, 414, 422, 431, 441, 460, 472, 494, and so on.

📝Note: Wart notation is used to specify the val chosen for the edo. In the above list, "27e" means taking the second closest approximation of harmonic 11.

Intervals

Here are all the 15-odd-limit intervals of 13:

Ratio Cents value Color name Name
14/13 128.298 3uz2 thuzo 2nd tridecimal supraminor second
13/12 138.573 3o2 tho 2nd tridecimal subneutral second
15/13 247.741 3uy2 thuyo 2nd tridecimal semifourth
13/11 289.210 3o1u3 tholu 3rd tridecimal minor third
16/13 359.472 3u3 thu 3rd tridecimal supraneutral third
13/10 454.214 3og4 thogu 4th tridecimal naiadic
18/13 563.382 3u4 thu 4th tridecimal sub-tritone
13/9 636.618 3o5 tho 5th tridecimal super-tritone
20/13 745.786 3uy5 thuyo 5th tridecimal cocytic
13/8 840.528 3o6 tho 6th tridecimal subneutral sixth
22/13 910.790 3u1o6 thulo 6th tridecimal major sixth
26/15 952.259 3og7 thogu 7th tridecimal semitwelfth
24/13 1061.427 3u7 thu 7th tridecimal supraneutral seventh
13/7 1071.702 3or7 thoru 7th tridecimal submajor seventh

Music

Tristan Bay
E8 Heterotic
Francium
Dave Hill
Ben Johnston
performed by Kepler Quartet
Kaiveran Lugheidh
  • Unlicensed Copy (2017) – mostly 7-limit with some erstwhile 13-based chromaticisms
Thomas Leroy Meier
Claudi Meneghin
Hojo Minori
Claire Rose
Gene Ward Smith
Randy Wells

See also

Notes