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== Theory ==

39edo's [[3/2|perfect fifth]] is 5.8~~{{c}}~~ sharp~~. Together~~ with its best [[5/4|classical major third]] which is the familiar 400~~{{c}}~~ of [[12edo]]. We have two choices for a tuning of [[7/1|7]]~~. The~~ sharp one ~~yields~~ [[~~superpyth~~]] ~~temperament, while~~ the ~~flat (patent) one yields~~ [[~~semaphore~~]] (and also [[~~hemifamity~~]]~~) temperament~~.

39edo's [[3/2|perfect fifth]] is 5.8 cents sharp, together with its best [[5/4|classical major third]] which is the familiar 400 cents of [[12edo]]. We have two choices for a tuning of [[7/1|7]], but the sharp one blends better with the sharp 3 and 5 as their errors cancel with their ratios, thus yielding significantly higher average accuracy than the [[patent val]] in the [[7-odd-limit|7-]] and [[9-odd-limit]]. It also has a fine [[11/1|11]], and adding it to consideration the best choice for 39et is the sharp-tending 39df val {{val| 39 62 91 '''110''' 135 '''145''' }}.

As a [[superpyth]] system, 39edo is intermediate between [[17edo]] and [[22edo]] {{nowrap|(39 {{=}} 17 + 22)}}; its fifth thus falls in the "shrub region" where the diatonic thirds are between standard neogothic thirds and septimal thirds. The specific 7-limit variant supported by 39d is [[quasisuper]]~~. Alternatively, it can be seen as a [[hemifamity]] semaphore (that is, immunity) system in the patent val~~. While 17edo is superb for melody (as documented by [[George Secor]]), it does not approximate the 5th harmonic at all and only poorly approximates the 7th. 22edo is much better for 5-limit and 7-limit harmony but is less effective for melody assuming that the MOS diatonic is used, because the [[diatonic semitone]] is [[quartertone]]-sized. 39edo offers a compromise, since it still supports good 5- and 7-limit harmonies (though less close than 22edo), while at the same time having a diatonic semitone of 61.5 cents, as the ideal diatonic semitone for melody is somewhere in between 60 and 80 cents, i.e. a third tone, by Secor's estimates.

As a [[superpyth]] system, 39edo is intermediate between [[17edo]] and [[22edo]] {{nowrap|(39 {{=}} 17 + 22)}}; its fifth thus falls in the "shrub region" where the diatonic thirds are between standard neogothic thirds and septimal thirds. The specific 7-limit variant supported by 39d is [[quasisuper]]. While 17edo is superb for melody (as documented by [[George Secor]]), it does not approximate the 5th harmonic at all and only poorly approximates the 7th. 22edo is much better for 5-limit and 7-limit harmony but is less effective for melody assuming that the MOS diatonic is used, because the [[diatonic semitone]] is [[quartertone]]-sized. 39edo offers a compromise, since it still supports good 5- and 7-limit harmonies (though less close than 22edo), while at the same time having a diatonic semitone of 61.5 cents, as the ideal diatonic semitone for melody is somewhere in between 60 and 80 cents, i.e. a third tone, by Secor's estimates.

Alternatively, if we take 22\39 as a fifth, 39edo can be used as a tuning of [[mavila]], and from that point of view it seems to have attracted the attention of the [[Armodue]] school, an Italian group that use the scheme of [[7L 2s|superdiatonic]] LLLsLLLLs like a base scale for notation and theory, suited in [[16edo]], and allied systems: [[25edo]] [1/3-tone 3;2]; [[41edo]] [1/5-tone 5;3]; and [[57edo]] [1/7-tone 7;4]. The [[hornbostel]] temperament is included too with: [[23edo]] [1/3-tone 3;1]; 39edo [1/5-tone 5;2] & [[62edo]] [1/8-tone 8;3]. The mavila fifth in 39edo like all mavila fifths is very, very flat, in this case, 25{{c}} flat.

39edo offers not one, but many, possible ways of extending tonality beyond the diatonic scale, even if it does not do as good of a job at approximating [[JI]] as some other systems do. Because it can also approximate [[mavila]] as well as "anti-mavila" ([[oneirotonic]]), the latter of which it inherits from [[13edo]], this makes 39edo an extremely versatile temperament usable in a wide range of situations (both harmonic and inharmonic).

~~39edo is a reasonable tuning of [[triforce]] beyond 15edo, and optimizes both its semaphore and augmented components by tuning the fifth sharp~~.

=== Odd harmonics ===

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=== As a tuning of other temperaments ===

39edo, with its 400{{c}} major third, [[tempering out|tempers out]] the [[diesis]] (128/125), and using the 39d val, the septimal comma, [[64/63]], as well as [[126/125]] are added to the comma list~~. Alternatively, the patent val tempers out 49/48 to yield semaphore~~. In the 11-limit we find that the equal temperament tempers out [[99/98]] and [[121/120]]. Tempering out both 128/125 and 64/63 makes 39et, in some few ways, allied to [[12edo|12et]] in [[support]]ing [[augene]], and is in fact, an excellent choice for a 7-limit augene tuning. It also tempers out the [[amity comma]] (1600000/1594323), and supports the variant of amity known as [[accord]].

39edo, with its 400{{c}} major third, [[tempering out|tempers out]] the [[128/125|diesis]] (128/125), and using the 39d val, the septimal comma, [[64/63]], as well as [[126/125]] are added to the comma list. In the 11-limit we find that the equal temperament tempers out [[99/98]] and [[121/120]]. Tempering out both 128/125 and 64/63 makes 39et, in some few ways, allied to [[12edo|12et]] in [[support]]ing [[augene]], and is in fact, an excellent choice for a 7-limit augene tuning. It also tempers out the [[amity comma]] (1600000/1594323), and supports the variant of amity known as [[accord]].

Alternatively, the patent val tempers out [[49/48]] to yield [[semaphore]], and provides a reasonable tuning of [[triforce]] beyond [[15edo]], and optimizes both its semaphore and augmented components by tuning the fifth sharp. The 39c val supports [[negri]].

If we take 22\39 as a fifth, 39edo can be used as a tuning of [[mavila]] through the 39bc val, and from that point of view it seems to have attracted the attention of the [[Armodue]] school, an Italian group that use the scheme of [[7L 2s|superdiatonic]] LLLsLLLLs like a base scale for notation and theory, suited in [[16edo]] and allied systems: [[25edo]] [1/3-tone 3;2]; [[41edo]] [1/5-tone 5;3]; and [[57edo]] [1/7-tone 7;4]. The [[hornbostel]] temperament is included too with: [[23edo]] [1/3-tone 3;1]; 39edo [1/5-tone 5;2] & [[62edo]] [1/8-tone 8;3]. The mavila fifth in 39edo like all mavila fifths is very, very flat, in this case, 25{{c}} flat.

39edo offers not one, but many, possible ways of extending tonality beyond the diatonic scale, even if it does not do as good of a job at approximating [[JI]] as some other systems do. Because it can also approximate mavila as well as "anti-mavila" ([[oneirotonic]]), the latter of which it inherits from [[13edo]], this makes 39edo an extremely versatile temperament usable in a wide range of situations (both harmonic and inharmonic).

=== Subsets and supersets ===

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 == Theory ==
-edo's [[3/2|perfect fifth]] is 5.8{{c}} sharp. Together with its best [[5/4|classical major third]] which is the familiar 400{{c}} of [[12edo]]. We have two choices for a tuning of [[7/1|7]]. The sharp one yields [[superpyth]] temperament, while the flat (patent) one yields [[semaphore]] (and also [[hemifamity]]) temperament.
+edo's [[3/2|perfect fifth]] is 5.8 cents sharp, together with its best [[5/4|classical major third]] which is the familiar 400 cents of [[12edo]]. We have two choices for a tuning of [[7/1|7]], but the sharp one blends better with the sharp 3 and 5 as their errors cancel with their ratios, thus yielding significantly higher average accuracy than the [[patent val]] in the [[7-odd-limit|7-]] and [[9-odd-limit]]. It also has a fine [[11/1|11]], and adding it to consideration the best choice for 39et is the sharp-tending 39df val {{val| 39 62 91 '''110''' 135 '''145''' }}.
-As a [[superpyth]] system, 39edo is intermediate between [[17edo]] and [[22edo]] {{nowrap|(39 {{=}} 17 + 22)}}; its fifth thus falls in the "shrub region" where the diatonic thirds are between standard neogothic thirds and septimal thirds. The specific 7-limit variant supported by 39d is [[quasisuper]]. Alternatively, it can be seen as a [[hemifamity]] semaphore (that is, immunity) system in the patent val. While 17edo is superb for melody (as documented by [[George Secor]]), it does not approximate the 5th harmonic at all and only poorly approximates the 7th. 22edo is much better for 5-limit and 7-limit harmony but is less effective for melody assuming that the MOS diatonic is used, because the [[diatonic semitone]] is [[quartertone]]-sized. 39edo offers a compromise, since it still supports good 5- and 7-limit harmonies (though less close than 22edo), while at the same time having a diatonic semitone of 61.5 cents, as the ideal diatonic semitone for melody is somewhere in between 60 and 80 cents, i.e. a third tone, by Secor's estimates.
+As a [[superpyth]] system, 39edo is intermediate between [[17edo]] and [[22edo]] {{nowrap|(39 {{=}} 17 + 22)}}; its fifth thus falls in the "shrub region" where the diatonic thirds are between standard neogothic thirds and septimal thirds. The specific 7-limit variant supported by 39d is [[quasisuper]]. While 17edo is superb for melody (as documented by [[George Secor]]), it does not approximate the 5th harmonic at all and only poorly approximates the 7th. 22edo is much better for 5-limit and 7-limit harmony but is less effective for melody assuming that the MOS diatonic is used, because the [[diatonic semitone]] is [[quartertone]]-sized. 39edo offers a compromise, since it still supports good 5- and 7-limit harmonies (though less close than 22edo), while at the same time having a diatonic semitone of 61.5 cents, as the ideal diatonic semitone for melody is somewhere in between 60 and 80 cents, i.e. a third tone, by Secor's estimates.
-Alternatively, if we take 22\39 as a fifth, 39edo can be used as a tuning of [[mavila]], and from that point of view it seems to have attracted the attention of the [[Armodue]] school, an Italian group that use the scheme of [[7L 2s|superdiatonic]] LLLsLLLLs like a base scale for notation and theory, suited in [[16edo]], and allied systems: [[25edo]] [1/3-tone 3;2]; [[41edo]] [1/5-tone 5;3]; and [[57edo]] [1/7-tone 7;4]. The [[hornbostel]] temperament is included too with: [[23edo]] [1/3-tone 3;1]; 39edo [1/5-tone 5;2] &amp; [[62edo]] [1/8-tone 8;3]. The mavila fifth in 39edo like all mavila fifths is very, very flat, in this case, 25{{c}} flat.
-edo offers not one, but many, possible ways of extending tonality beyond the diatonic scale, even if it does not do as good of a job at approximating [[JI]] as some other systems do. Because it can also approximate [[mavila]] as well as "anti-mavila" ([[oneirotonic]]), the latter of which it inherits from [[13edo]], this makes 39edo an extremely versatile temperament usable in a wide range of situations (both harmonic and inharmonic).
-edo is a reasonable tuning of [[triforce]] beyond 15edo, and optimizes both its semaphore and augmented components by tuning the fifth sharp.
 === Odd harmonics ===
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 === As a tuning of other temperaments ===
-edo, with its 400{{c}} major third, [[tempering out|tempers out]] the [[diesis]] (128/125), and using the 39d val, the septimal comma, [[64/63]], as well as [[126/125]] are added to the comma list. Alternatively, the patent val tempers out 49/48 to yield semaphore. In the 11-limit we find that the equal temperament tempers out [[99/98]] and [[121/120]]. Tempering out both 128/125 and 64/63 makes 39et, in some few ways, allied to [[12edo|12et]] in [[support]]ing [[augene]], and is in fact, an excellent choice for a 7-limit augene tuning. It also tempers out the [[amity comma]] (1600000/1594323), and supports the variant of amity known as [[accord]].
+edo, with its 400{{c}} major third, [[tempering out|tempers out]] the [[128/125|diesis]] (128/125), and using the 39d val, the septimal comma, [[64/63]], as well as [[126/125]] are added to the comma list. In the 11-limit we find that the equal temperament tempers out [[99/98]] and [[121/120]]. Tempering out both 128/125 and 64/63 makes 39et, in some few ways, allied to [[12edo|12et]] in [[support]]ing [[augene]], and is in fact, an excellent choice for a 7-limit augene tuning. It also tempers out the [[amity comma]] (1600000/1594323), and supports the variant of amity known as [[accord]].
+Alternatively, the patent val tempers out [[49/48]] to yield [[semaphore]], and provides a reasonable tuning of [[triforce]] beyond [[15edo]], and optimizes both its semaphore and augmented components by tuning the fifth sharp. The 39c val supports [[negri]].
+If we take 22\39 as a fifth, 39edo can be used as a tuning of [[mavila]] through the 39bc val, and from that point of view it seems to have attracted the attention of the [[Armodue]] school, an Italian group that use the scheme of [[7L 2s|superdiatonic]] LLLsLLLLs like a base scale for notation and theory, suited in [[16edo]] and allied systems: [[25edo]] [1/3-tone 3;2]; [[41edo]] [1/5-tone 5;3]; and [[57edo]] [1/7-tone 7;4]. The [[hornbostel]] temperament is included too with: [[23edo]] [1/3-tone 3;1]; 39edo [1/5-tone 5;2] & [[62edo]] [1/8-tone 8;3]. The mavila fifth in 39edo like all mavila fifths is very, very flat, in this case, 25{{c}} flat.
+edo offers not one, but many, possible ways of extending tonality beyond the diatonic scale, even if it does not do as good of a job at approximating [[JI]] as some other systems do. Because it can also approximate mavila as well as "anti-mavila" ([[oneirotonic]]), the latter of which it inherits from [[13edo]], this makes 39edo an extremely versatile temperament usable in a wide range of situations (both harmonic and inharmonic).
 === Subsets and supersets ===