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While the [[17/1|17th harmonic]] is a cent and a half flat, the harmonics below it are all a little sharp, giving it the sound of a sharp system. Since {{nowrap|58 {{=}} 2 × 29}}, 58edo shares the same excellent perfect fifth with [[29edo]]. It is the last edo to have exactly one [[5L 2s|diatonic]] perfect fifth and no [[5edo]] or [[7edo]] fifths.  
While the [[17/1|17th harmonic]] is a cent and a half flat, the harmonics below it are all a little sharp, giving it the sound of a sharp system. Since {{nowrap|58 {{=}} 2 × 29}}, 58edo shares the same excellent perfect fifth with [[29edo]]. It is the last edo to have exactly one [[5L 2s|diatonic]] perfect fifth and no [[5edo]] or [[7edo]] fifths.  


The [[19/1|19th]] and [[23/1|23rd]] harmonics are very flat, so it makes sense to use their second-best approximations in the 58hi val. This val is, in fact, one of the first to be [[diamond monotone]] in the 23-odd-limit, past the idiosyncratic 53e val. However, its accuracy is questionable, with primes 19 and 23 being about 13 cents sharp, so one may want to use a larger system like [[62edo]] for the 23-limit instead, which has the added benefit of being meantone.
=== Prime harmonics ===
{{Harmonics in equal|58}}
=== As a tuning of other temperaments ===
As an equal temperament, 58et [[tempering out|tempers out]] [[2048/2025]] in the [[5-limit]]; [[126/125]], [[1728/1715]], and [[5120/5103]] in the [[7-limit]]; [[176/175]], [[243/242]], [[441/440]], [[540/539]], and [[896/891]] in the 11-limit; [[144/143]], [[351/350]], [[364/363]] in the 13-limit. It [[support]]s [[hemififths]], [[myna]], [[diaschismic]], [[harry]], [[mystery]], [[buzzard]], [[thuja]] [[regular temperament|temperament]]s plus a number of [[gravity family]] [[extension]]s, and supplies the [[optimal patent val]] for the 7-, 11- and 13-limit diaschismic, 11- and 13-limit hemififths, 11- and 13-limit thuja, and 13-limit myna. It also supplies the optimal patent val for the 13-limit rank-3 temperaments [[thrush]], [[bluebird]], [[aplonis]] and [[jofur]].
As an equal temperament, 58et [[tempering out|tempers out]] [[2048/2025]] in the [[5-limit]]; [[126/125]], [[1728/1715]], and [[5120/5103]] in the [[7-limit]]; [[176/175]], [[243/242]], [[441/440]], [[540/539]], and [[896/891]] in the 11-limit; [[144/143]], [[351/350]], [[364/363]] in the 13-limit. It [[support]]s [[hemififths]], [[myna]], [[diaschismic]], [[harry]], [[mystery]], [[buzzard]], [[thuja]] [[regular temperament|temperament]]s plus a number of [[gravity family]] [[extension]]s, and supplies the [[optimal patent val]] for the 7-, 11- and 13-limit diaschismic, 11- and 13-limit hemififths, 11- and 13-limit thuja, and 13-limit myna. It also supplies the optimal patent val for the 13-limit rank-3 temperaments [[thrush]], [[bluebird]], [[aplonis]] and [[jofur]].


Of all edos which map the syntonic comma ([[81/80]]) to 1 step by patent val, 58edo is the one with the step size closest to 81/80, with one step of 58edo being less than 1{{cent}} narrower than the just interval.
Of all edos which map the syntonic comma ([[81/80]]) to 1 step by patent val, 58edo is the one with the step size closest to 81/80, with one step of 58edo being less than 1{{cent}} narrower than the just interval.
=== Prime harmonics ===
{{Harmonics in equal|58}}


=== Subsets and supersets ===
=== Subsets and supersets ===
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== Notation ==
== Notation ==
=== Ups and downs notation ===
=== Stein–Zimmermann–Gould notation ===
58edo can be notated with ups and downs, spoken as up, dup, trup, dudsharp, downsharp, sharp, upsharp etc. and down, dud, trud, dupflat etc.
[[Stein–Zimmermann–Gould notation]] for 58edo uses sharps and flats combined with quartertone accidentals and arrows:
{{Sharpness-sharp6a}}
{{Sharpness-sharp6-szg}}


Half-sharps and half-flats can be used to avoid triple arrows:
If double arrows are not desirable, then arrows can be attached to quartertone accidentals:
{{Sharpness-sharp6b}}
{{Sharpness-sharp6-qt-szg}}


Alternatively, a combination of quarter tone accidentals and arrow accidentals from [[Helmholtz–Ellis notation]] can be used.
=== Kite's ups and downs notation ===
{{Sharpness-sharp6}}
58edo can also be notated with [[Kite's ups and downs notation|Kite's ups and downs]], spoken as up, dup, trup, dudsharp, downsharp, sharp, upsharp etc. and down, dud, trud, dupflat etc.  
{{Ups and downs sharpness}}


If double arrows are not desirable, then arrows can be attached to quarter-tone accidentals:
Half-sharps and half-flats can be used to avoid triple arrows:
{{Sharpness-sharp6-qt}}
{{Ups and downs sharpness|58|true}}


=== Ivan Wyschnegradsky's notation ===
=== Ivan Wyschnegradsky's notation ===
Since a sharp raises by six steps, Wyschnegradsky accidentals borrowed from [[72edo]] can also be used:
Since a sharp raises by six steps, Wyschnegradsky accidentals borrowed from [[72edo]] can also be used:
{{Sharpness-sharp6-iw}}
{{Sharpness-sharp6-iw}}


=== Sagittal notation ===
=== Sagittal notation ===
==== Evo flavor ====
==== Evo flavor ====
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{{Sagittal chart|Evo}}
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==== Evo-SZ flavor ====
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{{Sagittal chart|Evo-SZ}}
rect 300 0 662 80 [https://sagittal.org#periodic-table Periodic table of EDOs with sagittal notation]
rect 20 80 120 106 [[81/80]]
rect 120 80 230 106 [[55/54]]
rect 230 80 350 106 [[33/32]]
default [[File:58-EDO_Evo_Sagittal.svg]]
</imagemap>


==== Revo flavor ====
==== Revo flavor ====
<imagemap>
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File:58-EDO_Revo_Sagittal.svg
desc none
rect 80 0 300 50 [[Sagittal_notation]]
rect 300 0 662 80 [https://sagittal.org#periodic-table Periodic table of EDOs with sagittal notation]
rect 20 80 120 106 [[81/80]]
rect 120 80 230 106 [[55/54]]
rect 230 80 350 106 [[33/32]]
default [[File:58-EDO_Revo_Sagittal.svg]]
</imagemap>
 
==== Evo-SZ flavor ====
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File:58-EDO_Evo-SZ_Sagittal.svg
desc none
rect 80 0 300 50 [[Sagittal_notation]]
rect 300 0 583 80 [https://sagittal.org#periodic-table Periodic table of EDOs with sagittal notation]
rect 20 80 120 106 [[81/80]]
rect 120 80 230 106 [[55/54]]
rect 230 80 350 106 [[33/32]]
default [[File:58-EDO_Evo-SZ_Sagittal.svg]]
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=== Hemipyth notation ===
=== Hemipyth notation ===
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|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | Hemipyth notation for 58edo (SW3-style)
|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | Hemipyth notation for 58edo (SW3-style)
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! Cents
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! Note names<br />on D
! Note names<br>on D
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| 21/16
| 21/16
| [[Buzzard]] / [[subfourth]]
| [[Buzzard]] / [[subfourth]]
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| 25\58
| 517.2
| 27/20
| [[Gravity]] / [[abergravity]] / [[gravid]]
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| [[Mystery]]
| [[Mystery]]
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<nowiki/>* [[Normal forms|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[normal forms|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct
<nowiki/>* [[Normal forms #Equave-reduced-generator form|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[normal forms #Minimal-generator form|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct


58et can also be detempered to [[semihemi]] ({{nowrap| 58 & 140 }}), [[supers]] ({{nowrap| 58 & 152 }}), [[condor]] ({{nowrap| 58 & 159 }}), and [[eagle]] ({{nowrap| 58 & 212 }}).
58et can also be detempered to [[semihemi]] ({{nowrap| 58 & 140 }}), [[supers]] ({{nowrap| 58 & 152 }}), [[condor]] ({{nowrap| 58 & 159 }}), and [[eagle]] ({{nowrap| 58 & 212 }}).


== Octave stretch or compression ==
== Octave stretch or compression ==
58edo's approximations of harmonics 3, 5, 7, 11, and 13 can all be improved if slightly [[stretched and compressed tuning|compressing the octave]] is acceptable, using tunings such as [[92edt]] or [[150ed6]].
58edo's approximations of harmonics 3, 5, 7, 11, and 13 can all be improved if slightly [[stretched and compressed tuning|compressing the octave]] is acceptable, using tunings such as [[92edt]], [[150ed6]] or [[zpi|289zpi]].
 
What follows is a comparison of stretched- and compressed-octave 58edo tunings.
 
; [[zpi|288zpi]]
* Step size: 20.736{{c}}, octave size: 1202.69{{c}}
Stretching the octave of 58edo by around 2.5{{c}} results in improved primes 11, 13, 19 and 23, but worse primes 2, 3, 5, 7 and 17. This approximates all harmonics up to 16 within 9.98{{c}}. The tuning 288zpi does this.
{{Harmonics in cet|20.736|intervals=integer|columns=11|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of harmonics in 288zpi}}
{{Harmonics in cet|20.736|intervals=integer|columns=12|start=12|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of harmonics in 288zpi (continued)}}
 
; 58edo
* Step size: 20.690{{c}}, octave size: 1200.00{{c}}
Pure-octaves 58edo approximates all harmonics up to 16 within 8.28{{c}}.
{{Harmonics in equal|58|2|1|intervals=integer|columns=11|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of harmonics in 58edo}}
{{Harmonics in equal|58|2|1|intervals=integer|columns=12|start=12|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of harmonics in 58edo (continued)}}
 
; [[150ed6]]  
* Step size: 20.680{{c}}, octave size: 1199.42{{c}}
Compressing the octave of 58edo by around half a cent results in improved primes 3, 5, 7, 11 and 13 but a worse prime 2. This approximates all harmonics up to 16 within 6.02{{c}}. The tuning 150ed6 does this.
{{Harmonics in equal|150|6|1|intervals=integer|columns=11|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of harmonics in 150ed6}}
{{Harmonics in equal|150|6|1|intervals=integer|columns=12|start=12|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of harmonics in 150ed6 (continued)}}
 
; [[92edt]]
* Step size: 20.673{{c}}, octave size: 1199.06{{c}}
Compressing the octave of 58edo by around 1{{c}} results in improved primes 3, 5, 7, 11 and 13, but a worse prime 2. This approximates all harmonics up to 16 within 4.60{{c}}. The tuning 92edt does this.
{{Harmonics in equal|92|3|1|intervals=integer|columns=11|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of harmonics in 92edt}}
{{Harmonics in equal|92|3|1|intervals=integer|columns=12|start=12|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of harmonics in 92edt (continued)}}
 
; [[zpi|289zpi]] / [[WE|58et, 7-limit WE tuning]]
* Step size: 20.666{{c}}, octave size: 1198.63{{c}}
Compressing the octave of 58edo by just under 1.5{{c}} results in improved primes 3, 5, 7, 11 and 13, but a worse prime 2. This approximates all harmonics up to 16 within 5.49{{c}}. Its 7-limit WE tuning and 7-limit [[TE]] tuning both do this. The tuning 289zpi also does this, its octave differing from 7-limit WE by only 0.06{{c}}.
{{Harmonics in cet|20.666|intervals=integer|columns=11|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of harmonics in 289zpi}}
{{Harmonics in cet|20.666|intervals=integer|columns=12|start=12|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of harmonics in 289zpi (continued)}}
 
; [[WE|58et, 13-limit WE tuning]]
* Step size: 20.663{{c}}, octave size: 1198.45{{c}}
Compressing the octave of 58edo by just over 1.5{{c}} results in improved primes 3, 5, 7, 11 and 13, but a worse prime 2. This approximates all harmonics up to 16 within 6.18{{c}}. Its 13-limit WE tuning and 13-limit [[TE]] tuning both do this.
{{Harmonics in cet|20.663|intervals=integer|columns=11|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of harmonics in 58et, 13-limit WE tuning}}
{{Harmonics in cet|20.663|intervals=integer|columns=12|start=12|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of harmonics in 58et, 13-limit WE tuning (continued)}}


== Scales ==
== Scales ==
* [[Compdye]]
* [[Compdye]]
* [[Maeve Gutierrez#Gutierrez-Lambeth quasi-subharmonic pentatonic|Gutierrez-Lambeth quasi-subharmonic pentatonic]]
* [[Hemif7]]
* [[Hemif7]]
* [[Hemif10]]
* [[Hemif10]]
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* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4J4MNno-4PA ''58edo improv''] (2025)
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4J4MNno-4PA ''58edo improv''] (2025)
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7gkRyld5OU8 ''Waltz in 58edo''] (2025)
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7gkRyld5OU8 ''Waltz in 58edo''] (2025)
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H5XG4lrvrP8 ''58edo groove''] (2025)


; [[Francium]]
; [[Francium]]
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; [[Cam Taylor]]
; [[Cam Taylor]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Keclakcqie8 ''58EDO, Mystery temperament and 2 rings of Pythagorean on the Lumatone''] (2021)
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Keclakcqie8 ''58EDO, Mystery temperament and 2 rings of Pythagorean on the Lumatone''] (2021)
; [[Xotla]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTkPhjTEQMw "Wormhole Shmurmhole"], from [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4HmfPDldHXueRjmTV-iJN3fsLn_O9jvT ''Just Another Microtonal Music Album''] (2025–2026) – in part, the rest being in 31edo


[[Category:Buzzard]]
[[Category:Buzzard]]