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While the [[17/1|17th harmonic]] is a cent and a half flat, the harmonics below it are all a little sharp, giving it the sound of a sharp system. Since {{nowrap|58 {{=}} 2 × 29}}, 58edo shares the same excellent perfect fifth with [[29edo]]. It is the last edo to have exactly one [[5L 2s|diatonic]] perfect fifth and no [[5edo]] or [[7edo]] fifths.  
While the [[17/1|17th harmonic]] is a cent and a half flat, the harmonics below it are all a little sharp, giving it the sound of a sharp system. Since {{nowrap|58 {{=}} 2 × 29}}, 58edo shares the same excellent perfect fifth with [[29edo]]. It is the last edo to have exactly one [[5L 2s|diatonic]] perfect fifth and no [[5edo]] or [[7edo]] fifths.  


The [[19/1|19th]] and [[23/1|23rd]] harmonics are very flat, so it makes sense to use their second-best approximations in the 58hi val. This val is, in fact, one of the first to be [[diamond monotone]] in the 23-odd-limit, past the idiosyncratic 53e val.  
The [[19/1|19th]] and [[23/1|23rd]] harmonics are very flat, so it makes sense to use their second-best approximations in the 58hi val. This val is, in fact, one of the first to be [[diamond monotone]] in the 23-odd-limit, past the idiosyncratic 53e val. However, its accuracy is questionable, with primes 19 and 23 being about 13 cents sharp, so one may want to use a larger system like [[62edo]] for the 23-limit instead, which has the added benefit of being meantone.  


=== Prime harmonics ===
=== Prime harmonics ===
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== Notation ==
== Notation ==
=== Ups and downs notation ===
=== Stein–Zimmermann–Gould notation ===
58edo can be notated with ups and downs, spoken as up, dup, trup, dudsharp, downsharp, sharp, upsharp etc. and down, dud, trud, dupflat etc.  
[[Stein–Zimmermann–Gould notation]] for 58edo uses sharps and flats combined with quartertone accidentals and arrows:
{{Sharpness-sharp6-szg}}
 
If double arrows are not desirable, then arrows can be attached to quartertone accidentals:
{{Sharpness-sharp6-qt-szg}}
 
=== Kite's ups and downs notation ===
58edo can also be notated with [[Kite's ups and downs notation|Kite's ups and downs]], spoken as up, dup, trup, dudsharp, downsharp, sharp, upsharp etc. and down, dud, trud, dupflat etc.  
{{Ups and downs sharpness}}
{{Ups and downs sharpness}}


Half-sharps and half-flats can be used to avoid triple arrows:
Half-sharps and half-flats can be used to avoid triple arrows:
{{Ups and downs sharpness|58|true}}
{{Ups and downs sharpness|58|true}}
Alternatively, a combination of quarter tone accidentals and arrow accidentals from [[Helmholtz–Ellis notation]] can be used.
{{Sharpness-sharp6}}
If double arrows are not desirable, then arrows can be attached to quarter-tone accidentals:
{{Sharpness-sharp6-qt}}


=== Ivan Wyschnegradsky's notation ===
=== Ivan Wyschnegradsky's notation ===
Since a sharp raises by six steps, Wyschnegradsky accidentals borrowed from [[72edo]] can also be used:
Since a sharp raises by six steps, Wyschnegradsky accidentals borrowed from [[72edo]] can also be used:
{{Sharpness-sharp6-iw}}
{{Sharpness-sharp6-iw}}


=== Sagittal notation ===
=== Sagittal notation ===
==== Evo flavor ====
==== Evo flavor ====
<imagemap>
{{Sagittal chart|Evo}}
File:58-EDO_Evo_Sagittal.svg
 
desc none
==== Evo-SZ flavor ====
rect 80 0 300 50 [[Sagittal_notation]]
{{Sagittal chart|Evo-SZ}}
rect 300 0 662 80 [https://sagittal.org#periodic-table Periodic table of EDOs with sagittal notation]
rect 20 80 120 106 [[81/80]]
rect 120 80 230 106 [[55/54]]
rect 230 80 350 106 [[33/32]]
default [[File:58-EDO_Evo_Sagittal.svg]]
</imagemap>


==== Revo flavor ====
==== Revo flavor ====
<imagemap>
{{Sagittal chart}}
File:58-EDO_Revo_Sagittal.svg
desc none
rect 80 0 300 50 [[Sagittal_notation]]
rect 300 0 662 80 [https://sagittal.org#periodic-table Periodic table of EDOs with sagittal notation]
rect 20 80 120 106 [[81/80]]
rect 120 80 230 106 [[55/54]]
rect 230 80 350 106 [[33/32]]
default [[File:58-EDO_Revo_Sagittal.svg]]
</imagemap>
 
==== Evo-SZ flavor ====
<imagemap>
File:58-EDO_Evo-SZ_Sagittal.svg
desc none
rect 80 0 300 50 [[Sagittal_notation]]
rect 300 0 583 80 [https://sagittal.org#periodic-table Periodic table of EDOs with sagittal notation]
rect 20 80 120 106 [[81/80]]
rect 120 80 230 106 [[55/54]]
rect 230 80 350 106 [[33/32]]
default [[File:58-EDO_Evo-SZ_Sagittal.svg]]
</imagemap>


=== Hemipyth notation ===
=== Hemipyth notation ===
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|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | Hemipyth notation for 58edo (SW3-style)
|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | Hemipyth notation for 58edo (SW3-style)
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! &#35;
! #
! Cents
! Cents
! Note names<br />on D
! Note names<br>on D
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| [[Buzzard]] / [[subfourth]]
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| [[Gravity]] / [[abergravity]] / [[gravid]]
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| [[Mystery]]
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<nowiki/>* [[Normal forms|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[normal forms|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct
<nowiki/>* [[Normal forms #Equave-reduced-generator form|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[normal forms #Minimal-generator form|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct


58et can also be detempered to [[semihemi]] ({{nowrap| 58 & 140 }}), [[supers]] ({{nowrap| 58 & 152 }}), [[condor]] ({{nowrap| 58 & 159 }}), and [[eagle]] ({{nowrap| 58 & 212 }}).
58et can also be detempered to [[semihemi]] ({{nowrap| 58 & 140 }}), [[supers]] ({{nowrap| 58 & 152 }}), [[condor]] ({{nowrap| 58 & 159 }}), and [[eagle]] ({{nowrap| 58 & 212 }}).
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; [[Cam Taylor]]
; [[Cam Taylor]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Keclakcqie8 ''58EDO, Mystery temperament and 2 rings of Pythagorean on the Lumatone''] (2021)
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Keclakcqie8 ''58EDO, Mystery temperament and 2 rings of Pythagorean on the Lumatone''] (2021)
; [[Xotla]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTkPhjTEQMw "Wormhole Shmurmhole"], from [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4HmfPDldHXueRjmTV-iJN3fsLn_O9jvT ''Just Another Microtonal Music Album''] (2025–2026) – in part, the rest being in 31edo


[[Category:Buzzard]]
[[Category:Buzzard]]
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