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{{Wikipedia|23 equal temperament}}
{{Wikipedia|23 equal temperament}}
{{ED intro}}
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== Theory ==
== Theory ==
23edo is significant in that it is the last edo that has no [[5L 2s|diatonic]] perfect fifths and not even [[5edo]] or [[7edo]] fifths. It is also the last edo that fails to approximate the [[3/1|3rd]], [[5/1|5th]], [[7/1|7th]], and [[11/1|11th]] [[harmonic]]s within 20 cents, which makes it well-suited for musicians seeking to explore harmonic territory that is unusual even for the average microtonalist. Oddly, despite the fact that it fails to approximate these harmonics, it approximates the intervals between them ([[5/3]], [[7/3]], [[11/3]], [[7/5]], [[11/5]], [[11/7]]) and combinations of them ([[15/8]], [[21/16]], [[33/32]], [[35/32]], [[55/32]], [[77/64]]) very well. The lowest harmonics well-approximated by 23edo are [[9/1|9]], [[13/1|13]], [[15/1|15]], [[17/1|17]], [[21/1|21]], [[23/1|23]], [[31/1|31]], [[33/1|33]] and [[35/1|35]].  
23edo is significant in that it is the last edo that has no [[5L 2s|diatonic]] perfect fifths and not even [[5edo]] or [[7edo]] fifths. It is also the last edo that fails to approximate the [[3/1|3rd]], [[5/1|5th]], [[7/1|7th]], and [[11/1|11th]] [[harmonic]]s within 20 cents, which makes it well-suited for musicians seeking to explore harmonic territory that is unusual even for the average microtonalist. Oddly, despite the fact that it fails to approximate these harmonics, it approximates the intervals between them ([[5/3]], [[7/3]], [[11/3]], [[7/5]], [[11/5]], [[11/7]]) and combinations of them ([[15/8]], [[21/16]], [[33/32]], [[35/32]], [[55/32]], [[77/64]]) very well. In this sense, it can be thought of as every other step of [[46edo]]. The lowest harmonics well-approximated by 23edo are [[9/1|9]], [[13/1|13]], [[15/1|15]], [[17/1|17]], [[21/1|21]], [[23/1|23]], [[31/1|31]], [[33/1|33]] and [[35/1|35]].  


=== Mapping ===
=== Mapping ===
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=== Odd harmonics ===
=== Odd harmonics ===
{{Harmonics in equal|23}}
{{Harmonics in equal|23}}
=== Octave stretch ===
Some approximations can be improved by octave stretching. See ''[[23edo and octave stretching]]'' for more details.


=== Subsets and supersets ===
=== Subsets and supersets ===
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23edo was proposed by ethnomusicologist {{w|Erich von Hornbostel}} as the result of continuing a circle of "blown" fifths of ~678-cent fifths that (he argued) resulted from "overblowing" a bamboo pipe.
23edo was proposed by ethnomusicologist {{w|Erich von Hornbostel}} as the result of continuing a circle of "blown" fifths of ~678-cent fifths that (he argued) resulted from "overblowing" a bamboo pipe.


== Selected just intervals ==
== Intervals ==
{{Q-odd-limit intervals|23}}
{| class="wikitable center-1 right-2 left-10"
|-
! [[Degree]]
! [[Cent]]s
! Approximate Ratios*
! Comments
|-
| 0
| 0.0
| [[1/1]]
|
|-
| 1
| 52.2
| [[33/32]], [[34/33]]
|
|-
| 2
| 104.3
| [[17/16]], [[16/15]], [[18/17]]
| Less than 1 cent off [[17/16]]
|-
| 3
| 156.5
| [[11/10]], [[12/11]], [[35/32]]
|
|-
| 4
| 208.7
| [[9/8]], [[44/39]]
|
|-
| 5
| 260.9
| [[7/6]], [[15/13]], [[29/25]]
|
|-
| 6
| 313.0
| [[6/5]]
| Much better 6/5 than 12-edo
|-
| 7
| 365.2
| [[16/13]], [[21/17]], [[26/21]]
|
|-
| 8
| 417.4
| [[14/11]], [[33/26]]
| Practically just 14/11
|-
| 9
| 469.6
| [[21/16]], [[17/13]]
|
|-
| 10
| 521.7
| [[23/17]], [[27/20]], [[88/65]]
|
|-
| 11
| 573.9
| [[7/5]], [[32/23]], [[46/33]]
|
|-
| 12
| 626.1
| [[10/7]], [[23/16]], [[33/23]]
|
|-
| 13
| 678.3
| [[34/23]], [[40/27]], [[65/44]]
| Great Hornbostel generator
|-
| 14
| 730.4
| [[32/21]], [[26/17]]
|
|-
| 15
| 782.6
| [[11/7]], [[52/33]]
| Practically just [[11/7]]
|-
| 16
| 834.8
| [[13/8]], [[34/21]], [[21/13]]
|
|-
| 17
| 887.0
| [[5/3]]
| Much better [[5/3]] than 12-edo
|-
| 18
| 939.1
| [[12/7]], [[26/15]], [[50/29]]
|
|-
| 19
| 991.3
| [[16/9]], [[39/22]]
|
|-
| 20
| 1043.5
| [[11/6]], [[20/11]], [[64/35]]
|
|-
| 21
| 1095.7
| [[15/8]], [[17/9]], [[32/17]]
| Less than 1 cent off 32/17
|-
| 22
| 1147.8
| [[33/17]], [[64/33]]
|
|-
| 23
| 1200.0
| [[2/1]]
|
|}
*Based on treating 23edo as a 2.9.15.21.33.13.17 subgroup temperament; other approaches are possible.


== Notation ==
== Notation ==
===Conventional notation ===
===Conventional notation ===
23edo can be notated with conventional notation, including the staff, note names, relative notation, etc. in two ways. The first preserves the <u>melodic</u> meaning of sharp/flat, major/minor and aug/dim, in that sharp is higher pitched than flat, and major/aug is wider than minor/dim. The disadvantage to this approach is that conventional interval arithmetic no longer works. e.g. M2 + M2 isn't M3, and D + M2 is not E. Chord names are different because C - E - G is not P1 - M3 - P5.
{{Mavila}}
 
The second approach preserves the <u>harmonic</u> meaning of sharp/flat, major/minor and aug/dim, in that the former is always further fifthwards on the chain of fifths than the latter. Sharp is lower in pitch than flat, and major/aug is narrower than minor/dim. While this approach may seem bizarre at first, interval arithmetic and chord names work as usual. Furthermore, conventional 12edo music can be directly translated to 23edo "on the fly".


===Sagittal notation===
===Sagittal notation===
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This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as EDOs [[28edo#Sagittal notation|28]] and [[33edo#Sagittal notation|33]].
This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as EDOs [[28edo#Sagittal notation|28]] and [[33edo#Sagittal notation|33]].


<imagemap>
{{Sagittal chart|}}
File:23-EDO_Sagittal.svg
desc none
rect 80 0 300 50 [[Sagittal_notation]]
rect 367 0 527 80 [https://sagittal.org#periodic-table Periodic table of EDOs with sagittal notation]
rect 20 80 367 106 [[Fractional_3-limit_notation#Bad-fifths_limma-fraction_notation | limma-fraction notation]]
default [[File:23-EDO_Sagittal.svg]]
</imagemap>


====Second-best fifth notation====
====Second-best fifth notation====
This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as EDOs [[30edo#Sagittal notation|30]], [[37edo#Sagittal notation|37]], and [[44edo#Sagittal notation|44]].
This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as EDOs [[30edo#Sagittal notation|30]], [[37edo#Sagittal notation|37]], and [[44edo#Sagittal notation|44]].


<imagemap>
{{Sagittal chart||23b}}
File:23b_Sagittal.svg
desc none
rect 80 0 300 50 [[Sagittal_notation]]
rect 375 0 535 80 [https://sagittal.org#periodic-table Periodic table of EDOs with sagittal notation]
rect 20 80 375 106 [[Fractional_3-limit_notation#Bad-fifths_apotome-fraction_notation | apotome-fraction notation]]
default [[File:23b_Sagittal.svg]]
</imagemap>


=== Armodue notation  ===
=== Armodue notation  ===
Armodue notation is a nonatonic notation that uses the numbers 1-9 as note names.
Armodue notation is a nonatonic notation that uses the numbers 1-9 as note names.


{| class="wikitable center-all right-1 right-3 left-10"
{| class="wikitable center-all right-2"
|-
|-
! [[Degree]]
! #
! [[Cent]]s
! [[Cent]]s
! Approximate <br> Ratios <ref>Based on treating 23-EDO as a 2.9.15.21.33.13.17 subgroup temperament; other approaches are possible.</ref>
! colspan="2" | Major wider <br> than minor
! colspan="2" | Major wider <br> than minor
! colspan="2" | Major narrower <br> than minor
! colspan="2" | Major narrower <br> than minor
! Armodue <br> Notation
! Armodue <br> Notation
! Notes
|-
|-
| 0
| 0
| 0.000
| 0.0
| 1/1
| P1 || D
| P1 || D
| P1 || D
| P1 || D
| 1
| 1
|
|-
|-
| 1
| 1
| 52.174
| 52.2
| 33/32, 34/33
| A1 || D#
| A1 || D#
| d1 || Db
| d1 || Db
| 2b
| 2b
|
|-
|-
| 2
| 2
| 104.348
| 104.3
| 17/16, 16/15, 18/17
| d2 || Eb
| d2 || Eb
| A2 || E#
| A2 || E#
| 1#
| 1#
| Less than 1 cent off [[17/16]]
|-
|-
| 3
| 3
| 156.522
| 156.5
| 11/10, 12/11, 35/32
| m2 || E
| m2 || E
| M2 || E
| M2 || E
| 2
| 2
|
|-
|-
| 4
| 4
| 208.696
| 208.7
| 9/8, 44/39
| M2 || E#
| M2 || E#
| m2 || Eb
| m2 || Eb
| 3b
| 3b
|
|-
|-
| 5
| 5
| 260.870
| 260.9
| 7/6, 15/13, 29/25
| A2, d3 || Ex, Fbb
| A2, d3 || Ex, Fbb
| d2, A3 || Ebb, Fx
| d2, A3 || Ebb, Fx
| 2#
| 2#
|
|-
|-
| 6
| 6
| 313.043
| 313.0
| 6/5
| m3 || Fb
| m3 || Fb
| M3 || F#
| M3 || F#
| 3
| 3
| Much better [[6/5]] than 12-edo
|-
|-
| 7
| 7
| 365.217
| 365.2
| 16/13, 21/17, 26/21
| M3 || F
| M3 || F
| m3 || F
| m3 || F
| 4b
| 4b
|
|-
|-
| 8
| 8
| 417.391
| 417.4
| 14/11, 33/26
| A3 || F#
| A3 || F#
| d3 || Fb
| d3 || Fb
| 3#
| 3#
| Practically just [[14/11]]
|-
|-
| 9
| 9
| 469.565
| 469.6
| 21/16, 17/13
| d4 || Gb
| d4 || Gb
| A4 || G#
| A4 || G#
| 4
| 4
|
|-
|-
| 10
| 10
| 521.739
| 521.7
| 23/17, 88/65, 256/189
| P4 || G
| P4 || G
| P4 || G
| P4 || G
| 5
| 5
|
|-
|-
| 11
| 11
| 573.913
| 573.9
| 7/5, 32/23, 46/33
| A4 || G#
| A4 || G#
| d4 || Gb
| d4 || Gb
| 6b
| 6b
|
|-
|-
| 12
| 12
| 626.087
| 626.1
| 10/7, 23/16, 33/23
| d5 || Ab
| d5 || Ab
| A5 || A#
| A5 || A#
| 5#
| 5#
|
|-
|-
| 13
| 13
| 678.261
| 678.3
| 34/23, 65/44, 189/128
| P5 || A
| P5 || A
| P5 || A
| P5 || A
| 6
| 6
| Great Hornbostel generator
|-
|-
| 14
| 14
| 730.435
| 730.4
| 32/21, 26/17
| A5 || A#
| A5 || A#
| d5 || Ab
| d5 || Ab
| 7b
| 7b
|
|-
|-
| 15
| 15
| 782.609
| 782.6
| 11/7, 52/33
| d6 || Bb
| d6 || Bb
| A6 || B#
| A6 || B#
| 6#
| 6#
| Practically just [[11/7]]
|-
|-
| 16
| 16
| 834.783
| 834.8
| 13/8, 34/21, 21/13
| m6 || B
| m6 || B
| M6 || B
| M6 || B
| 7
| 7
|
|-
|-
| 17
| 17
| 886.957
| 887.0
| 5/3
| M6 || B#
| M6 || B#
| m6 || Bb
| m6 || Bb
| 8b
| 8b
| Much better [[5/3]] than 12-edo
|-
|-
| 18
| 18
| 939.130
| 939.1
| 12/7, 26/15, 50/29
| A6, d7 || Bx, Cbb
| A6, d7 || Bx, Cbb
| d6, A7 || Bbb, Cx
| d6, A7 || Bbb, Cx
| 7#
| 7#
|
|-
|-
| 19
| 19
| 991.304
| 991.3
| 16/9, 39/22
| m7 || Cb
| m7 || Cb
| M7 || C#
| M7 || C#
| 8
| 8
|
|-
|-
| 20
| 20
| 1043.478
| 1043.5
| 11/6, 20/11, 64/35
| M7 || C
| M7 || C
| m7 || C
| m7 || C
| 9b
| 9b
|
|-
|-
| 21
| 21
| 1095.652
| 1095.7
| 15/8, 17/9, 32/17
| A7 || C#
| A7 || C#
| d7 || Cb
| d7 || Cb
| 8#
| 8#
| Less than 1 cent off [[32/17]]
|-
|-
| 22
| 22
| 1147.826
| 1147.8
| 33/17, 64/33
| d8 || Db
| d8 || Db
| A8 || D#
| A8 || D#
| 9
| 9
|
|-
|-
| 23
| 23
| 1200.000
| 1200.0
| 2/1
| P8 || D
| P8 || D
| P8 || D
| P8 || D
| 1
| 1
|
|}
|}
<references/>


[[File:Ciclo_Icositrifonía.png|alt=Ciclo Icositrifonía.png|491x490px|link=Harmony_of_23edo]]
[[File:Ciclo_Icositrifonía.png|alt=Ciclo Icositrifonía.png|491x490px|link=Harmony_of_23edo]]


== Approximation to irrational intervals ==
== Approximation to irrational intervals ==
=== Acoustic π and ϕ ===
23edo has good approximations of [[acoustic phi]] on 16\23, and [[pi]] on 38\23. Not until [[72edo|72]] do we find a better edo in terms of absolute error, and not until [[749edo|749]] do we find one in terms of relative error.
23edo has a very close approximation of [[11/7#Proximity with π/2|acoustic π/2]] on 15\23 and a very close approximation of [[acoustic phi]] on the step just above (16\23).


{| class="wikitable center-all"
{| class="wikitable center-all"
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|}
|}


Not until [[72edo|72]] do we find a better edo in terms of absolute error, and not until [[749edo|749]] do we find one in terms of relative error.
== Approximation to JI ==
=== 15-odd-limit interval mappings ===
{{Q-odd-limit intervals|23}}
{{Q-odd-limit intervals|22.9|apx=val|header=none|tag=none|title=15-odd-limit intervals by 23de val mapping}}


== Regular temperament properties ==
== Regular temperament properties ==
=== Uniform maps ===
=== Uniform maps ===
{{Uniform map|13|22.5|23.5}}
{{Uniform map|edo=23}}


=== Commas ===
=== Commas ===
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| Werckisma
| Werckisma
|}
|}
== Octave stretch or compression ==
{{main|23edo and octave stretching}}
23edo is not often taken seriously as a tuning except by those interested in extreme [[xenharmony]]. Its fifths are significantly flat, and is neighbors [[22edo]] and [[24edo]] generally get more attention.
However, when using a slightly [[stretched tuning|stretched octave]] of around 1206 [[cents]], 23edo looks much better, and it approximates the [[perfect fifth]] (and various other [[interval]]s involving the 5th, 7th, 11th, and 13th [[harmonic]]s) to within 18 cents or so. If we can tolerate errors around this size in [[12edo]], we can probably tolerate them in stretched-23 as well.
Stretched-23edo is one of the best tunings to use for exploring the [[antidiatonic]] scale since its fifth is more [[consonant]] and less "[[Wolf interval|wolfish]]" than fifths in other [[pelogic family]] temperaments.


== Scales ==
== Scales ==
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|-
|-
| 2 1 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 1
| 2 1 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 1
| Pathological 5L 13s (ateamtonic[18])
| [[5L 13s]]
|-
|-
| 2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1
| 2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 1
| Pathological [[4L 15s|<nowiki>4L 15s (mynoid[19]]</nowiki>]]
| [[4L 15s]]
|}
|}


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2 5 6 6 4 - Volcanic (approximated from [[16afdo]])
2 5 6 6 4 - Volcanic (approximated from [[16afdo]])
''More listed in: [[User:BudjarnLambeth/Quasipelog theory#Scales]]''


== Instruments ==
== Instruments ==
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[[File:Libro_Icositrifónico.PNG|alt=Libro_Icositrifónico.PNG|302x365px|Libro_Icositrifónico.PNG|thumb|''Icosikaitriphonic Scales for Guitar'' cover art.]]
[[File:Libro_Icositrifónico.PNG|alt=Libro_Icositrifónico.PNG|302x365px|Libro_Icositrifónico.PNG|thumb|''Icosikaitriphonic Scales for Guitar'' cover art.]]
* [[Sword, Ron]]. ''[http://www.metatonalmusic.com/books.html Icosikaitriphonic Scales for Guitar: A Repository of Theory, Reference Materials, and Scale Charts for Xentonal Families]''. 2010.
* [[Sword, Ron]]. ''[http://www.metatonalmusic.com/books.html Icosikaitriphonic Scales for Guitar: A Repository of Theory, Reference Materials, and Scale Charts for Xentonal Families]''. 2010.
* [[343edo#Scales|Lucite23]] - [[Gordon Wery]]'s [[well temperament]] of 23edo in [[343edo]]


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[[Category:23-tone scales]]