35edo

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35 equal divisions of the octave (abbreviated 35edo or 35ed2), also called 35-tone equal temperament (35tet) or 35 equal temperament (35et) when viewed under a regular temperament perspective, is the tuning system that divides the octave into 35 equal parts of about 34.3 ¢ each. Each step represents a frequency ratio of 21/35, or the 35th root of 2.

← 34edo 35edo 36edo →
Prime factorization 5 × 7
Step size 34.2857 ¢ 
Fifth 20\35 (685.714 ¢) (→ 4\7)
Semitones (A1:m2) 0:5 (0 ¢ : 171.4 ¢)
Dual sharp fifth 21\35 (720 ¢) (→ 3\5)
Dual flat fifth 20\35 (685.714 ¢) (→ 4\7)
Dual major 2nd 6\35 (205.714 ¢)
(semiconvergent)
Consistency limit 7
Distinct consistency limit 7

Theory

As 35 is 5 times 7, 35edo allows for mixing the two smallest xenharmonic macrotonal edos: 5edo and 7edo. A single degree of 35edo represents the difference between 7edo's narrow fifth of 685.71 ¢ and 5edo's wide fifth of 720 ¢. Since it has two approximations of the perfect fifth which are close to equally off, 35edo is a classic example of a dual-fifth system. Because it includes 7edo, 35edo tunes the 29th harmonic with only 1 ¢ of error.

35edo can also represent the 2.3.5.7.11.17 subgroup and 2.9.5.7.11.17 subgroup, because of the accuracy of 9 and the flatness of the higher primes (7/5 and 17/11 stand out, having less than 1 cent error). Therefore among whitewood tunings it is very versatile; you can switch between these different subgroups if you don't mind having to use two different 3/2s to reach the inconsistent 9 (a characteristic of whitewood tunings).

35edo has the optimal patent val for greenwood and secund temperaments, as well as 11-limit muggles, and the 35f val is an excellent tuning for 13-limit muggles. 35edo is the largest edo with a lack of a diatonic scale (unless 7edo is considered a diatonic scale).

Odd harmonics

Approximation of odd harmonics in 35edo
Harmonic 3 5 7 9 11 13 15 17 19 21 23
Error Absolute (¢) -16.2 -9.2 -8.8 +1.8 -2.7 +16.6 +8.9 -2.1 +11.1 +9.2 -11.1
Relative (%) -47.4 -26.7 -25.7 +5.3 -8.0 +48.5 +25.9 -6.1 +32.3 +26.9 -32.5
Steps
(reduced)
55
(20)
81
(11)
98
(28)
111
(6)
121
(16)
130
(25)
137
(32)
143
(3)
149
(9)
154
(14)
158
(18)

Dual-fifth harmony

35edo has two viable mappings of the perfect fifth, one at 20\35 (4\7), and one at 21\35 (3\5). If one wishes to build a chord with the perfect fifth, one must decide which mapping to use. For example, if one wishes to use the classical major triad 4:5:6, then we find that 35edo's best approximation of 5/4 is just over 1/4 of a step flat, meaning that the flat mapping of 3/2 should be used in order for 6/5 to be tuned accurately. Thus the best approximation of 4:5:6 is 0–11–20 steps (0–377–686 ¢), and the best approximation of its inverse 1/(6:5:4), the classical minor triad, is 0–9–20 steps (0–309–686 ¢). Here, the 5/4 and 6/5 intervals are tuned fairly accurately, being about 7–9 ¢ flat each, while 3/2 is more damaged at about 16 ¢ flat of just. However, since 3/2 is a very simple interval, it is recognizable even if heavily detuned.

Amazingly, almost the exact same situation occurs with 7/4, for which 35edo's best approximation is also just over 1/4 of a step flat (resulting in a very accurate 7/5). If we wish to use the 4:6:7 chord, then just like with 4:5:6, it is best to use the flat mapping of 3/2, resulting in a triad of 0–20–28 steps (0–686–960 ¢). Its inverse, the 1/(12:8:7) chord, is best mapped to 0–20–27 steps (0–686–926 ¢). Here the damage is split between 7/4 and 12/7, with both being around 7–9 ¢ flat of just, which is almost the exact same situation as with 5/4 and 6/5. From here, we see that the best approximation of the harmonic seventh chord 4:5:6:7 is 0–11–20–28 steps (0–377–686–960 ¢), while the best approximation of the subharmonic sixth chord 1/(12:10:8:7) is 0–9–20–27 steps (0–309–686–926 ¢).

Overall, we find that 35edo's patent val is surprisingly accurate overall for the 7-odd-limit, with 3/2 being the only interval with high damage. However, this mapping does not work well in the 9-odd-limit, as 9/8 is tuned over 32 ¢ flat of just at 171 ¢, and thus other intervals of 9 also become very inaccurate. Instead, 35edo has an accurate approximation of 9/8 at 6\35 (206 ¢), but to reach it, we must stack one 20\35 fifth and one 21\35 fifth. The 21\35 fifth is the 5edo fifth of 720 ¢, being around 18 ¢ sharp of just. There are two mappings of the perfect fifth, with some chords preferring the flat fifth, while other chords prefer the sharp fifth.

For example, suppose we want to use the 6:7:9 subminor triad. Then the closest approximation of 7/6 is 8 steps, and the closest approximation of 9/7 is 13 steps. Stacking these approximations gives the triad 0–8–21 steps (0–274–720 ¢). Here, we use the sharp fifth instead of the flat one, so that 7/6 and 9/7 are tuned more accurately, being around 7 ¢ and 11 ¢ sharp of just respectively. The best approximation of the supermajor triad 1/(9:7:6) is 0–13–21 steps (0–446–720 ¢), which also uses the sharp fifth. A similar situation occurs with 6:9:10 and its inverse 1/(9:6:5), where the best approximations of 5/3 and 9/5 are 26\35 and 30\35 respectively, so that the best approximations of 6:9:10 and 1/(9:6:5) are 0–21–26 steps (0–720–891 ¢) and 0–21–30 steps (0–720–1029 ¢) respectively, with 5/3 and 9/5 being around 7 ¢ and 11 ¢ sharp respectively. This leads to an approximation of the 6:7:9:10 harmonic sixth chord (sometimes known as the subminor tetrad) at 0–8–21–26 steps (0–274–720–891 ¢), and an approximation of the 1/(9:7:6:5) subharmonic seventh chord (sometimes called the supermajor tetrad) at 0–13–21–30 steps (0–446–720–1029 ¢).

The best approximation of the harmonic ninth chord 4:5:6:7:9 is 0–11–20–28–41 steps (0–377–686–960–1406 ¢). Here, both mappings of 3/2 are used simultaneously, with the flat mapping occuring at 4:6, and the sharp mapping occuring at 6:9. The mapping of any chord in 35edo that is a subset of the 9-odd-limit otonal or utonal pentad (up to octave equivalence) can be taken as a subset of the mapping of 4:5:6:7:9, or the mapping of its inverse 1/(9:7:6:5:4), that being 0–13–21–30–41 steps (0–446–720–1029–1406 ¢), where any interval more complex than the perfect fifth is no more than 11 ¢ out of tune.

Additionally, many triads are tuned very close to delta-rational tunings, which may make them sound less out of tune as well. For examples, the approximations of the triads 4:5:6, 1/(6:5:4), 6:7:9, and 1/(9:7:6) are very close to DR tunings. Voicings of chords that divide the fourth, those being 6:7:8, 1/(8:7:6), 9:10:12, and 1/(12:10:9), are also tuned fairly close to DR.

Caveats of dual-fifth

However, using two mappings of the perfect fifth presents several problems. For example, in JI, there are the 10:12:15:18 and 12:14:18:21 chords and their inversions, known as anomalous saturated suspensions, which are dyadically consonant in the 9-odd-limit, even though they are not a subset of the 9-odd-limit otonal or utonal pentad. Their dyadic consonance relies on the compositeness of the number 9 as 3 × 3, and here the mapping breaks down when we try to use two different mappings of harmonic 3. For example, if we try to map the 10:12:15:18 chord with steps 6/5–5/4–6/5–10/9 (closing at the octave) in 35edo, then the 10:12:15 part suggests mapping the fifth above the root at 20\35, while the 10:15:18 part suggests mapping it to 21\35. As such, one of the 6/5–5/4–6/5–10/9 steps must be mapped to its second-best approximation, close to 3/4 of a 35edo step (about 25 cents) off of just. A similar issue occurs with 12:14:18:21, where one of the 7/6–9/7–7/6–8/7 steps must be mapped to its second-best approximation. Many other chords, such as 8:10:12:15, also cannot be mapped without a step being close to 3/4 of a 35edo step off.

Additionally, many structures present in systems with a single fifth do not work well in 35edo. For example, the perfect fifth generates several mos scale, such as the traditional diatonic scale. The diatonic mos scale does not exist in 35edo, with the 20\35 whitewood fifth generating an equalized version of the scale, while the 21\35 fifth generates a collapsed version of the scale. Since 35edo does not have a diatonic scale, chain-of-fifths notation also does not work in 35edo. However, there are scales such as 6 6 2 6 6 6 3 which sound similar to diatonic, and this particular scale can be obtained by alternately stacking 21\35 and 20\35 fifths, or hobbling a 34edo or 36edo diatonic scale.

35edo is only one of many dual-fifth systems, with others including 18edo, 23edo, 25edo, 28edo, 30edo, 37edo, and 40edo, each with their own unique properties.

Subsets and supersets

Since 35 factors as 5 × 7, its nontrivial subsets are 5edo and 7edo. Its double 70edo corrects the perfect fifth, as well as the 13th harmonic, though the 5th and 7th harmonics become relatively inaccurate. The quadruple of 35edo, which is 140edo, additionally corrects the mappings of primes 5 and 7, and makes for an excellent 17-limit system and beyond.

Intervals

(Bolded ratio indicates that the ratio is most accurately tuned by the given 35edo interval.)

# Cents value Ratios in the
2.5.7.11.17 subgroup
Ratios with
flat 3
Ratios with
sharp 3
Ratios with
best 9
0 0.000 1/1
1 34.286 50/49, 121/119, 33/32 36/35 25/24 64/63, 81/80
2 68.571 128/125 25/24 81/80
3 102.857 17/16 15/14 16/15 18/17
4 137.143 12/11, 16/15
5 171.429 11/10 12/11 10/9
6 205.714 9/8
7 240.000 8/7 7/6
8 274.286 20/17 7/6
9 308.571 6/5
10 342.857 17/14 6/5 11/9
11 377.143 5/4
12 411.429 14/11
13 445.714 22/17, 32/25 9/7
14 480.000 4/3, 21/16
15 514.286 4/3
16 548.571 11/8
17 582.857 7/5 24/17 17/12
18 617.143 10/7 17/12 24/17
19 651.429 16/11
20 685.714 3/2
21 720.000 3/2, 32/21
22 754.286 17/11, 25/16 14/9
23 788.571 11/7
24 822.857 8/5
25 857.143 28/17 5/3 18/11
26 891.429 5/3
27 925.714 17/10 12/7
28 960.000 7/4
29 994.286 16/9
30 1028.571 20/11 9/5
31 1062.857 11/6, 15/8
32 1097.143 32/17 28/15 15/8 17/9
33 1131.429
34 1165.714
35 1200.000 2/1

Notation

The 7edo fifth is preferred as the diatonic generator for ups and downs notation due to being much easier to notate than the 5edo fifth (which involves E and F being enharmonic), as well as being closer to 3/2.

Degrees Cents Ups and downs notation Dual-fifth notation

based on closest 12edo interval

0 0.000 unison 1 D 1sn, prime
1 34.286 up unison ^1 ^D augmented 1sn
2 68.571 dup unison ^^1 ^^D diminished 2nd
3 102.857 dud 2nd vv2 vvE minor 2nd
4 137.143 down 2nd v2 vE neutral 2nd
5 171.429 2nd 2 E submajor 2nd
6 205.714 up 2nd ^2 ^E major 2nd
7 240 dup 2nd ^^2 ^^E supermajor 2nd
8 274.286 dud 3rd vv3 vvF diminished 3rd
9 308.571 down 3rd v3 vF minor 3rd
10 342.857 3rd 3 F neutral 3rd
11 377.143 up 3rd ^3 ^F major 3rd
12 411.429 dup 3rd ^^3 ^^F augmented 3rd
13 445.714 dud 4th vv4 vvG diminished 4th
14 480 down 4th v4 vG minor 4th
15 514.286 4th 4 G major 4th
16 548.571 up 4th ^4 ^G augmented 4th
17 582.857 dup 4th ^^4 ^^G minor tritone
18 617.143 dud 5th vv5 vvA major tritone
19 651.429 down 5th v5 vA diminished 5th
20 685.714 5th 5 A minor 5th
21 720 up 5th ^5 ^A major 5th
22 754.286 dup 5th ^^5 ^^A augmented 5th
23 788.571 dud 6th vv6 vvB diminished 6th
24 822.857 down 6th v6 vB minor 6th
25 857.143 6th 6 B neutral 6th
26 891.429 up 6th ^6 ^B major 6th
27 925.714 dup 6th ^^6 ^^B augmented 6th
28 960 dud 7th vv7 vvC diminished 7th
29 994.286 down 7th v7 vC minor 7th
30 1028.571 7th 7 C superminor 7th
31 1062.857 up 7th ^7 ^C neutral 7th
32 1097.143 dup 7th ^^7 ^^C major 7th
33 1131.429 dud 8ve vv8 vvD augmented 7th
34 1165.714 down 8ve v8 vD diminished 8ve
35 1200 8ve 8 D 8ve

Sagittal notation

Best fifth notation

This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as EDOs 30b and 40, and is a superset of the notation for 7-EDO.

 Sagittal notationPeriodic table of EDOs with sagittal notationlimma-fraction notation

Second-best fifth notation

This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as 42-EDO, and is a superset of the notation for 5-EDO.

 Sagittal notationPeriodic table of EDOs with sagittal notationapotome-fraction notation

Chord Names

Ups and downs can be used to name 35edo chords. Because every interval is perfect, the quality can be omitted, and the words major, minor, augmented and diminished are never used. An up or down immediately after the chord root affects the 3rd, 6th, 7th, and/or the 11th (every other note of a stacked-3rds chord 6-1-3-5-7-9-11-13). Alterations are always enclosed in parentheses, additions never are.

0-10-20 = C E G = C = C or C perfect

0-9-20 = C vE G = Cv = C down

0-11-20 = C ^E G = C^ = C up

0-10-19 = C E vG = C(v5) = C down-five

0-11-21 = C ^E ^G = C^(^5) = C up up-five

0-10-20-30 = C E G B = C7 = C seven

0-10-20-29 = C E G vB = C,v7 = C add down-seven

0-9-20-30 = C vE G B = Cv,7 = C down add-seven

0-9-20-29 = C vE G vB = Cv7 = C down seven

For a more complete list, see Ups and downs notation - Chords and Chord Progressions.

Approximation to JI

The following tables show how 15-odd-limit intervals are represented in 35edo. Prime harmonics are in bold; inconsistent intervals are in italics.

15-odd-limit intervals in 35edo (direct approximation, even if inconsistent)
Interval and complement Error (abs, ¢) Error (rel, %)
1/1, 2/1 0.000 0.0
7/5, 10/7 0.345 1.0
13/12, 24/13 1.430 4.2
9/8, 16/9 1.804 5.3
11/8, 16/11 2.747 8.0
11/9, 18/11 4.551 13.3
11/7, 14/11 6.079 17.7
11/10, 20/11 6.424 18.7
5/3, 6/5 7.070 20.6
7/6, 12/7 7.415 21.6
15/13, 26/15 7.741 22.6
13/10, 20/13 8.500 24.8
7/4, 8/7 8.826 25.7
13/7, 14/13 8.845 25.8
15/8, 16/15 8.874 25.9
5/4, 8/5 9.171 26.7
9/7, 14/9 10.630 31.0
9/5, 10/9 10.975 32.0
15/11, 22/15 11.621 33.9
11/6, 12/11 13.494 39.4
13/9, 18/13 14.811 43.2
13/11, 22/13 14.924 43.5
3/2, 4/3 16.241 47.4
15/14, 28/15 16.586 48.4
13/8, 16/13 16.615 48.5
15-odd-limit intervals in 35edo (patent val mapping)
Interval and complement Error (abs, ¢) Error (rel, %)
1/1, 2/1 0.000 0.0
7/5, 10/7 0.345 1.0
11/8, 16/11 2.747 8.0
11/7, 14/11 6.079 17.7
11/10, 20/11 6.424 18.7
5/3, 6/5 7.070 20.6
7/6, 12/7 7.415 21.6
7/4, 8/7 8.826 25.7
5/4, 8/5 9.171 26.7
11/6, 12/11 13.494 39.4
3/2, 4/3 16.241 47.4
15/14, 28/15 16.586 48.4
13/8, 16/13 16.615 48.5
13/11, 22/13 19.362 56.5
15/11, 22/15 22.665 66.1
9/5, 10/9 23.311 68.0
9/7, 14/9 23.656 69.0
15/8, 16/15 25.412 74.1
13/7, 14/13 25.441 74.2
13/10, 20/13 25.786 75.2
11/9, 18/11 29.735 86.7
9/8, 16/9 32.481 94.7
13/12, 24/13 32.856 95.8
15/13, 26/15 42.027 122.6
13/9, 18/13 49.097 143.2

Regular temperament properties

Rank-2 temperaments

Periods
per 8ve
Generator Temperaments with
flat 3/2 (patent val)
Temperaments with sharp 3/2 (35b val) Mos scales
1 1\35
1 2\35 1L 16s, 17L 1s
1 3\35 Ripple 1L 10s, 11L 1s, 12L 11s
1 4\35 Secund 1L 7s, 8L 1s, 9L 8s, 9L 17s
1 6\35 Baldy (messed-up)[idiosyncratic term] 1L 4s, 5L 1s, 6L 5s, 6L 11s, 6L 17s, 6L 23s
1 8\35 Orwell (messed-up)[idiosyncratic term] 1L 3s, 4L 1s, 4L 5s, 9L 4s, 13L 9s
1 9\35 Myna 1L 3s, 4L 3s, 4L 7s, 4L 11s, 4L 15s, …, 4L 27s
1 11\35 Muggles 3L 1s, 3L 4s, 3L 7s 3L 10s, 3L 13s, 16L 3s
1 12\35 Roman 2L 1s, 3L 2s, 3L 5s, 3L 8s, 3L 11s, 3L 14s, 3L 17s, 3L 20s, …, 3L 29s
1 13\35 Inconsistent 2.5/3.9/7 sensi/sentry 2L 1s, 3L 2s, 3L 5s, 8L 3s, 8L 11s, 8L 19s
1 16\35 2L 1s, 2L 3s, 2L 5s, 2L 7s, 2L 9s, 11L 2s, 11L 13s
1 17\35 2L 1s, 2L 3s, 2L 5s, 2L 7s, 2L 9s, 2L 11s, 2L 13s, 2L 15s, 2L 17s, 2L 19s, …, 2L 31s
5 1\35 Blackwood (favoring 7/6) 5L 5s, 5L 10s, 5L 15s, 5L 20s, 5L 25s
5 2\35 Blackwood (favoring 6/5 and 20/17) 5L 5s, 5L 10s, 15L 5s
5 3\35 Blackwood (favoring 5/4 and 17/14) 5L 5s, 10L 5s, 10L 15s
7 1\35 Whitewood / redwood 7L 7s, 7L 14s, 7L 21s
7 2\35 Greenwood 7L 7s, 14L 7s

Commas

35et tempers out the following commas. (Note: This assumes the val 35 55 81 98 121 130].)

Prime
limit
Ratio[1] Monzo Cents Color name Name(s)
3 2187/2048 [-11 7 113.69 Lawa Whitewood comma, apotome, Pythagorean chroma
5 6561/6250 [-1 8 -5 84.07 Quingu Ripple comma
5 (15 digits) [9 9 -10 54.46 Quinbigu Mynic comma
5 3125/3072 [-10 -1 5 29.61 Laquinyo Magic comma, small diesis
7 405/392 [-3 4 1 -2 56.48 Ruruyo Greenwoodma
7 16807/16384 [-14 0 0 5 44.13 Laquinzo Cloudy comma
7 525/512 [-9 1 2 1 43.41 Lazoyoyo Avicennma
7 126/125 [1 2 -3 1 13.79 Zotrigu Septimal semicomma, starling comma
11 99/98 [-1 2 0 -2 1 17.58 Loruru Mothwellsma
13 66/65 [1 1 -1 0 1 -1 26.43 Thulogu Winmeanma
  1. Ratios longer than 10 digits are presented by placeholders with informative hints

Octave stretch or compression

35edo's primes 3, 5, 7 and 11 are all tuned flat, and it has two about equally bad mappings of 13, so 35edo can benefit from octave stretching. Some stretched-octave 35edo tunings (least to most stretched) include 149zpi, 116ed10, 98ed7, 81ed5, 125ed12 or 90ed6.

Scales

Polymicrotonal scales

12-tone 7edo&5edo

The 12-tone 7edo&5edo scale is designed to be mapped to the key of C on a conventional piano keyboard, with 7edo on the white keys, and 5edo on black:

  • 5 2 3 4 1 5 1 4 3 2 5 0
24-tone blackwood&greenwood

You can have two pianos/keyboards, one 68.6 cents sharp of the other, both tuned to the 12-tone 7edo&5edo scale. The combined black keys across both keyboards will be blackwood[10] and the white keys will be greenwood[14].

  • 3 2 0 2 1 2 2 1 1 1 3 1 1 1 2 2 1 2 0 2 3 0 2 0
20-tone blackwood&greenwood

Removing the duplicates from the previous scale (perhaps for use on other instruments beside keyboard) gives this 20-tone scale, which includes both blackwood[10] and greenwood[14] as subsets.

  • 3 2 2 1 2 2 1 1 1 3 1 1 1 2 2 1 2 2 3 2

MOS scales

Of the MOS scales available in 35edo, the muggles scales most closely approximate just intonation.

MOS scales

Ripple scales

Ripple[23]

The ripple[23] MOS scale makes maximum use of 35edo's dual-fifth nature, with both its sizes of fifth and fourth occurring frequently throughout the whole scale:

  • Symmetrical mode (has the most consonances): 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2
  • Mode that includes the clear pond[idiosyncratic term] modmos: 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 1 2 1 2 1
Ripple[23] subsets approximated from 96edo
Contains idiosyncratic terms.
  • Flattened major: 6 5 4 5 6 6 3
  • Sharpened minor: 6 3 6 5 4 6 5
  • Sharpened harmonic minor: 6 3 6 6 3 9 2
  • Flattened major pentatonic: 5 6 9 6 9
  • Sharpened minor pentatonic: 9 6 5 10 5
  • Evened minor hexatonic: 5 4 6 5 9 6
  • Roughened augmented: 10 2 9 2 10 2
  • Evened dominant pentatonic: 6 6 8 9 6
  • Sharpened Dorian: 6 3 6 6 6 3 5
  • Flattened Ionian pentatonic: 11 4 5 12 3
  • Sharpened Dorian harmonic: 6 3 9 3 6 3 5
  • Evened Mixolydian pentatonic: 11 4 6 8 6
  • Roughened Phrygian dominant: 2 10 2 6 3 6 6
  • Evened Phrygian dominant hexatonic: 3 8 4 6 8 6
  • Sharpened Phrygian pentatonic: 3 6 12 3 11
  • Sharpened blues Aeolian hexatonic: 9 6 3 2 3 12
  • Flattened blues Aeolian pentatonic I: 8 6 6 3 12
  • Sharpened blues Aeolian pentatonic II: 9 12 2 6 6
  • Roughened blues Dorian heptatonic: 9 6 3 2 7 2 6
  • Sharpened blues Dorian hexatonic: 9 6 6 5 4 5
  • Roughened blues Dorian pentatonic: 9 11 7 2 6
  • Roughened blues pentachordal: 6 3 5 4 2 15
  • Sharpened minor harmonic pentatonic I: 6 3 12 12 2
  • Sharpened minor harm. pent. II: 9 6 6 12 2
  • Evened hirajoshi: 6 3 11 4 11
  • Sharpened hirajoshi: 6 3 12 3 11
  • Roughened hirajoshi: 6 2 13 2 12
  • Evened akebono I: 6 3 11 6 9
  • Sharpened akebono I: 6 3 12 5 9
  • Roughened akebono I: 7 1 13 6 8
  • Roughened Javanese pentachordal: 2 7 9 2 15
  • Roughened cosmic: 14 6 2 7 6
  • Roughened cosmic II: 6 2 7 5 15
  • Lost spirit: 9 6 2 3 7 3 5
  • Moonbeam: 6 3 11 12 3
  • Palace: 5 4 6 5 5 4 6
  • Underpass: 9 11 7 3 5
Clear pond[idiosyncratic term]

The clear pond scale[idiosyncratic term], a modmos of ripple[12], tries to sound close to the familiar 12edo:

  • 3 3 3 2 3 3 3 4 2 3 3 3
Clear pond subsets
Contains idiosyncratic terms.
  • Lydian: 6 5 6 3 6 6 3
  • Major: 6 5 3 6 6 6 3
  • Mixolydian: 6 5 3 6 6 3 6
  • Dorian: 6 3 5 6 6 3 6
  • Minor: 6 3 5 6 4 5 6
  • Phrygian: 3 6 5 6 4 5 6
  • Locrian: 3 6 5 3 7 5 6
  • Harmonic minor: 6 3 5 6 4 8 3
  • Melodic minor: 6 3 5 6 6 6 3
  • Major pentatonic: 6 8 6 6 9
  • Minor pentatonic: 9 5 6 9 6
  • Minor blues: 9 5 3 3 9 6
  • Minor blues heptatonic: 9 5 3 3 6 3 6
  • Akebono I: 6 3 11 6 9

Secund scales

Secund[17]

The secund[17] MOS scale includes a motley mix of quirky, quite xenharmonic subsets, suited for exploring those consonances very different to any found in 12edo.

  • 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3
Secund[17] subsets
Contains idiosyncratic terms.
  • Antipental blues: 8 7 1 4 8 7
  • Antipental blues maj 6th: 8 7 1 4 7 1 7
  • Antipental blues neutral 7th: 8 7 1 4 8 3 4
  • Antipental blues maj 7th: 8 7 1 4 8 4 3
  • Antipental blues harmonic: 8 7 1 4 3 9 3
  • Pelog-like heptatonic: 3 5 7 5 3 8 4 (Phrygian-like)
  • Pelog-like pentatonic: 3 5 12 3 12
  • Secund chance (modmos of secund[8]): 4 7 4 1 4 4 7 4
  • Secund-tempered rotated 5afdo: 7 4 9 8 7
  • Secund-tempered 6afdo: 8 7 5 7 4 4
  • Undecimal Mixolydian: 7 4 4 5 7 1 7
  • Undecimal minor hexatonic: 7 1 7 5 8 7
  • Undecimal quasi-equipentatonic: 7 8 5 8 7
  • 12 from secund[17]: 7 1 3 4 1 4 3 4 1 3 1 3

Blackwood scales

The three blackwood temperaments

There are actually three versions of the blackwood temperament available in 35edo. One optimises the subminor third 7/6, one optimises the minor third 6/5, the other optimises the major third 5/4. Try them each and see which one you prefer:

6/5-blackwood[20] subsets
Contains idiosyncratic terms.
  • Blackwood meta-Hirajoshi: 2 3 4 2 5 7 2 12
    • Blackwood pseudo-Akebono neutral: 5 9 7 2 12
    • Blackwood pseudo-Akebono supermajor: 7 7 7 2 12
    • Blackwood pseudo-Hirajoshi: 2 12 7 2 12
    • Blackwood pseudo-pelog: 5 4 12 2 12
  • Blackwood meta-partial: 4 3 2 2 3 7 7 7
    • Blackwood-tempered 5afdo: 7 4 10 7 7
    • Mechanical (from 16afdo): 9 2 10 7 7
    • Starship (from 68ifdo, see ifdo): 4 7 3 7 7 7
    • Volcanic (from 16afdo): 4 7 10 7 7
  • Meta-monsoon: 7 4 3 2 5 9 5
    • Monsoon (from 47zpi): 7 7 7 9 5
    • Monsoon otonal: 7 9 5 9 5
    • Monsoon major: 11 5 5 9 5
  • Blackwood neutral nonatonic: 4 7 3 2 5 4 5 2 3
  • Blackwood undecimal harmonic: 4 8 4 5 4 5 5
  • Dungeon (from 30afdo): 11 3 7 2 12
  • Moonbeam (from 16afdo): 7 2 12 12 2
  • Underpass (from 10afdo): 9 12 5 4 5
  • 12 from 6/5-blackwood[20]: 4 3 2 2 3 7 2 3 2 2 3 2

Other scales

Instruments

Lumatone

35edo can be played on the Lumatone. See Lumatone mapping for 35edo

Skip fretting

Skip fretting system 35 3 8 is a skip fretting system for 35edo. All examples on this page are for 7-string guitar.

Prime harmonics

1/1: string 2 open

2/1: string 3 fret 9 and string 6 fret 1

3/2: string 3 fret 4 and string 4 fret 13

5/4: string 3 fret 1, string 4 fret 10, and string 7 fret 2

7/4: string 4 fret 4

11/8: string 1 fret 8, string 4 open, and string 5 fret 9

13/8: string 1 fret 11, string 4 fret 3, and string 5 fret 12

17/16: string 2 fret 1 and string 3 fret 10

Music

Modern renderings

Frederick Chopin
Carlo Gesualdo

21st century

Bryan Deister
dotuXil
E8 Heterotic
  • G2 Manifold (2020) – uses a combination of 5edo and 7edo, which can be classified as a 35edo subset.
Francium
groundfault
JUMBLE
Budjarn Lambeth
Chuckles McGee
Claudi Meneghin
No Clue Music