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== Theory == | == Theory == | ||
16edo | The [[3/2|perfect fifth]] of 16edo is 27 cents flat of 3/2, flatter than that of [[7edo]] so that it generates an [[2L 5s|antidiatonic]] instead of [[5L 2s|diatonic]] scale, but sharper than [[9edo]]'s fifth, to which it similarly retains the characteristic of being a fifth while being distinctly flat of 3/2. If the fifth is interpreted as 3/2, this befits a tuning of [[mavila]], the [[5-limit]] [[regular temperament|temperament]] that [[tempering out|tempers out]] [[135/128]], such that a stack of four fifths gives a [[6/5]] minor third instead of the familiar [[5/4]] major third as in [[meantone]]. A more accurate restriction is [[mabilic]], which discards the inaccurate mapping of 3 while keeping the fifth as a generator. | ||
This | This leads to some confusion in regards to interval names, as what would be major in diatonic now sounds minor; there are several ways to handle this (see in [[#Intervals]]). | ||
In general, 16edo tends to better approximate the differences between odd [[harmonic]]s than odd harmonics themselves, though it has a [[5/1|5th harmonic]] which is only 11 cents flat, and a [[7/1|7th harmonic]] which is only 6 cents sharp. As such, 16edo can be seen as an approach to tuning that takes advantage of the idea that simpler ratios can be functionally approximated with greater error (i.e. a 3/2 that's 25 cents flat is still recognizable, but a 5/4 that's 25 cents flat loses much of its identity and a 7/4 that's 25 cents flat is completely unrecognizable). In essence, 16edo's 3, 5, and 7 are backwards from 12edo's, with 7 being nearly perfect, 5 being decent, and 3 being distinctly out-of-tune. | |||
In terms of higher primes, both 11 and 13 are approximated very flat, with the [[11/8]] not distinguished from [[4/3]], and [[13/8]] not distinguished from [[8/5]]. 16edo represents the no-9 no-15 [[25-odd-limit]] [[consistent]]ly, however. | |||
12edo | Four steps of 16edo gives the 300{{c}} minor third interval shared by [[12edo]] (and other multiples of [[4edo]]), which approximates [[6/5]], and thus tempers out 648/625, the [[diminished comma]]. This means that the familiar [[diminished seventh chord]] may be built on any scale step with four unique tetrads up to [[octave equivalence]]. The minor third is of course not distinguished from the septimal subminor third, [[7/6]], so [[36/35]] and moreover [[50/49]] are tempered out, making 16edo a possible tuning for [[diminished (temperament)|septimal diminished]]. Another possible interpretation for this interval is the 19th harmonic, [[19/16]]. | ||
16edo shares several similarities with 15edo. They both share mappings of [[8/7]], [[5/4]], and [[3/2]] in terms of edosteps – in fact, they are both [[valentine]] tunings, and thus [[slendric]] tunings. 16edo and 15edo also both have three types of seconds and two types of thirds (not including arto/tendo thirds). However, 15edo's fifth is sharp while 16's is flat. | |||
16edo works as a tuning for [[extraclassical tonality]], due to its ultramajor third of 450 cents. | 16edo works as a tuning for [[extraclassical tonality]], due to its ultramajor third of 450 cents. | ||
=== Odd harmonics === | === Odd harmonics === | ||
{{Harmonics in equal|16}} | {{Harmonics in equal|16}} | ||
=== Subsets and supersets === | === Subsets and supersets === | ||
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=== Composition theory === | === Composition theory === | ||
* [[User:VectorGraphics/16edo theory|Vector's approach]] | * [[User:VectorGraphics/16edo theory|Vector's approach]] | ||
* [[Armodue harmony]] | |||
{{Todo|inline=1| expand }} | {{Todo|inline=1| expand }} | ||
== Intervals == | == Intervals == | ||
Inconsistent intervals are in ''italics''. | |||
{| class="wikitable center-1 right-2" | |||
|- | |||
! rowspan="2" | # | |||
! rowspan="2" | [[Cent]]s | |||
! colspan="3" | Approximate ratios | |||
|- | |||
! 7-limit | |||
! 13-limit | |||
! No-3 approach* | |||
|- | |||
| 0 | |||
| 0 | |||
| [[1/1]] | |||
| 1/1 | |||
| 1/1 | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 75 | |||
| ''[[15/14]]'', [[21/20]], [[25/24]] | |||
| [[22/21]], [[26/25]] | |||
| [[28/27]], [[27/26]] | |||
|- | |||
| 2 | |||
| 150 | |||
| ''[[9/8]]'', ''[[16/15]]'' | |||
| [[11/10]], [[12/11]], [[13/12]], [[14/13]] | |||
| 12/11, [[35/32]] | |||
|- | |||
| 3 | |||
| 225 | |||
| [[8/7]], ''[[10/9]]'', [[28/25]] | |||
| [[15/13]], [[25/22]] | |||
| 8/7 | |||
|- | |||
| 4 | |||
| 300 | |||
| [[6/5]], [[7/6]], [[25/21]] | |||
| [[13/11]] | |||
| [[19/16]], [[32/27]] | |||
|- | |||
| 5 | |||
| 375 | |||
| [[5/4]], ''[[9/7]]'' | |||
| [[11/9]], [[16/13]], [[26/21]] | |||
| 5/4, 16/13, 26/21 | |||
|- | |||
| 6 | |||
| 450 | |||
| [[21/16]], [[32/25]] | |||
| [[14/11]], [[13/10]] | |||
| 13/10, [[35/27]] | |||
|- | |||
| 7 | |||
| 525 | |||
| [[4/3]] | |||
| [[11/8]], ''[[18/13]]'', [[15/11]] | |||
| [[19/14]], [[27/20]], [[35/26]] | |||
|- | |||
| 8 | |||
| 600 | |||
| [[7/5]], [[10/7]], [[25/18]], [[36/25]] | |||
| | |||
| 7/5, 10/7 | |||
|- | |||
| 9 | |||
| 675 | |||
| [[3/2]] | |||
| [[16/11]], ''[[13/9]]'', [[22/15]] | |||
| [[28/19]], [[40/27]], [[52/35]] | |||
|- | |||
| 10 | |||
| 750 | |||
| [[25/16]], [[32/21]] | |||
| [[11/7]], [[20/13]] | |||
| 20/13, [[54/35]] | |||
|- | |||
| 11 | |||
| 825 | |||
| [[8/5]], ''[[14/9]]'' | |||
| [[18/11]], [[13/8]], [[21/13]] | |||
| 8/5, 13/8, 21/13 | |||
|- | |||
| 12 | |||
| 900 | |||
| [[5/3]], [[12/7]], [[42/25]] | |||
| [[22/13]] | |||
| [[27/16]], [[32/19]] | |||
|- | |||
| 13 | |||
| 975 | |||
| [[7/4]], ''[[9/5]]'', [[25/14]] | |||
| [[26/15]], [[44/25]] | |||
| 7/4 | |||
|- | |||
| 14 | |||
| 1050 | |||
| ''[[16/9]]'', ''[[15/8]]'' | |||
| [[20/11]], [[11/6]], [[24/13]], [[13/7]] | |||
| [[11/6]], 64/35 | |||
|- | |||
| 15 | |||
| 1125 | |||
| ''[[28/15]]'', [[40/21]], [[48/25]] | |||
| [[21/11]], [[25/13]] | |||
| [[27/14]], [[52/27]] | |||
|- | |||
| 16 | |||
| 1200 | |||
| [[2/1]] | |||
| 2/1 | |||
| 2/1 | |||
|} | |||
<nowiki />* Based on treating 16edo as a 2.27.5.7.13.19 subgroup temperament; other approaches are possible. Odd 27 is approximated via [[direct approximation]]. | |||
== Notation == | |||
{{Mavila}} | {{Mavila}} | ||
Alternatively, one can use Armodue nine-nominal notation | Alternatively, one can use Armodue nine-nominal notation. | ||
{| class="wikitable center-all" | {| class="wikitable center-all" | ||
|+ style="font-size: 105%" | Notation systems for 16edo | |||
|- | |- | ||
! rowspan="2" | Degree | ! rowspan="2" | Degree | ||
! rowspan="2" | [[Cent]]s | ! rowspan="2" | [[Cent]]s | ||
! colspan="6" | Names | ! colspan="6" | Names | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 0 | | 0 | ||
| 0 | | 0 | ||
| unison | | unison | ||
| D | | D | ||
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| 1 | | 1 | ||
| 75 | | 75 | ||
| aug 1, dim 2nd | | aug 1, dim 2nd | ||
| D♯, E♭ | | D♯, E♭ | ||
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| 2 | | 2 | ||
| 150 | | 150 | ||
| minor 2nd | | minor 2nd | ||
| E | | E | ||
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| 3 | | 3 | ||
| 225 | | 225 | ||
| major 2nd | | major 2nd | ||
| E♯ | | E♯ | ||
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| 4 | | 4 | ||
| 300 | | 300 | ||
| minor 3rd | | minor 3rd | ||
| F♭ | | F♭ | ||
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| 5 | | 5 | ||
| 375 | | 375 | ||
| major 3rd | | major 3rd | ||
| F | | F | ||
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| 6 | | 6 | ||
| 450 | | 450 | ||
| aug 3rd,<br>dim 4th | | aug 3rd,<br>dim 4th | ||
| F♯, G♭ | | F♯, G♭ | ||
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| 7 | | 7 | ||
| 525 | | 525 | ||
| perfect 4th | | perfect 4th | ||
| G | | G | ||
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| 8 | | 8 | ||
| 600 | | 600 | ||
| aug 4th,<br>dim 5th | | aug 4th,<br>dim 5th | ||
| G♯, A♭ | | G♯, A♭ | ||
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| 9 | | 9 | ||
| 675 | | 675 | ||
| perfect 5th | | perfect 5th | ||
| A | | A | ||
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| 10 | | 10 | ||
| 750 | | 750 | ||
| aug 5th,<br>dim 6th | | aug 5th,<br>dim 6th | ||
| A♯, B♭ | | A♯, B♭ | ||
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| 11 | | 11 | ||
| 825 | | 825 | ||
| minor 6th | | minor 6th | ||
| B | | B | ||
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| 12 | | 12 | ||
| 900 | | 900 | ||
| major 6th | | major 6th | ||
| B♯ | | B♯ | ||
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| 13 | | 13 | ||
| 975 | | 975 | ||
| minor 7th | | minor 7th | ||
| C♭ | | C♭ | ||
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| 14 | | 14 | ||
| 1050 | | 1050 | ||
| major 7th | | major 7th | ||
| C | | C | ||
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| 15 | | 15 | ||
| 1125 | | 1125 | ||
| aug 7th,<br>dim 8ve | | aug 7th,<br>dim 8ve | ||
| C♯, D♭ | | C♯, D♭ | ||
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| 16 | | 16 | ||
| 1200 | | 1200 | ||
| 8ve | | 8ve | ||
| D | | D | ||
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| octave | | octave | ||
|} | |} | ||
16edo notation can be easy utilizing [[Goldsmith's Circle]] of keys, nominals, and respective notation{{clarify}}. The nominals for a 6 line staff can be switched for [[Erv Wilson]]'s Beta and Epsilon additions to A–G. The Armodue model uses a 4-line staff for 16edo. | 16edo notation can be easy utilizing [[Goldsmith's Circle]] of keys, nominals, and respective notation{{clarify}}. The nominals for a 6 line staff can be switched for [[Erv Wilson]]'s Beta and Epsilon additions to A–G. The Armodue model uses a 4-line staff for 16edo. | ||
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This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as [[21edo #Sagittal notation|21edo]]. | This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as [[21edo #Sagittal notation|21edo]]. | ||
{{Sagittal chart|}} | |||
=== Armodue notation (4-line staff) === | === Armodue notation (4-line staff) === | ||
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[[:File:16ed2-001.svg|16ed2-001.svg]] | [[:File:16ed2-001.svg|16ed2-001.svg]] | ||
== Octave theory == | == Octave theory == | ||
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| Lehmerisma | | Lehmerisma | ||
|} | |} | ||
<references group=note/> | |||
=== Rank-2 temperaments === | === Rank-2 temperaments === | ||
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| [[Semidim]] | | [[Semidim]] | ||
|} | |} | ||
== Octave stretch or compression == | |||
Having a flat tendency, 16et is best tuned with [[stretched octave]]s, which improve the accuracy of wide-voiced JI chords and [[rooted]] harmonics especially on inharmonic timbres such as bells and [[gamelan]]. Suitable stretched 16edo tunings include [[zpi|15zpi]] and [[57ed12]]. | |||
== Scales == | == Scales == | ||
=== MOS scales === | |||
* {{Main|List of MOS scales in {{PAGENAME}}}} | * {{Main|List of MOS scales in {{PAGENAME}}}} | ||
Important mosses include: | Important mosses include: | ||
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[13]: 1 1 2 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 2 1 1 | [13]: 1 1 2 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 2 1 1 | ||
''' | '''Gorgo''' | ||
[5]: 3 3 4 3 3 | [5]: 3 3 4 3 3 | ||
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[10]: 2 1 2 1 2 2 1 2 1 2 | [10]: 2 1 2 1 2 2 1 2 1 2 | ||
=== Other scales === | |||
* [[User:BudjarnLambeth/Quasipelog theory#Scales]] | |||
== Metallic harmony == | == Metallic harmony == | ||
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[[File:16-EDO-PIano-Diagram.png|alt=16-EDO-PIano-Diagram.png|748x293px|16-EDO-PIano-Diagram.png]] | [[File:16-EDO-PIano-Diagram.png|alt=16-EDO-PIano-Diagram.png|748x293px|16-EDO-PIano-Diagram.png]] | ||
''' | '''Interleaved edos''' | ||
A visualization of 16edo being two interleaved copies of [[8edo]] and four interleaved copies of [[4edo]]. | |||
[[File:16edo_wheel_01.png|alt=16edo wheel 01.png|325x325px|16edo wheel 01.png]] | [[File:16edo_wheel_01.png|alt=16edo wheel 01.png|325x325px|16edo wheel 01.png]] | ||
=== Lumatone mapping === | |||
See: [[Lumatone mapping for 16edo]] | See: [[Lumatone mapping for 16edo]] | ||
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; [[Beheld]] | ; [[Beheld]] | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzPeVB2mncc ''Nebulous vibe''] | * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzPeVB2mncc ''Nebulous vibe''] | ||
; [[Stevie Boyes]] | |||
* [https://youtu.be/jX190TYgQxc ''Tropical Carnival''] (2018) | |||
; [[David Clifton]] (Cameron Watt Music) | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSUlNCw9Pds ''Daydream | Meditative Ambient | 16-EDO''] (2025) | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftW6VTdNcbg ''An Unsettling Theme | Horror | 16-EDO''] (2025) | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he47ywCgEFs ''Foreboding | Horror | 16-EDO''] (2025) | |||
; [[City of the Asleep]] | ; [[City of the Asleep]] | ||
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; [[Bryan Deister]] | ; [[Bryan Deister]] | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H-abpioYj5k ''improv in 16edo''] (2022) | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IfVvjoRqqNk ''16edo jam''] (2025) | * [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IfVvjoRqqNk ''16edo jam''] (2025) | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUgbkkIvy0g ''Waltz in 16edo''] (2025) | * [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PXiWkZ9wDdU ''16edo waltz''] (2025) — includes Lumatone view | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUgbkkIvy0g ''Waltz in 16edo''] (2025) — this is the full version of the ''16edo waltz'' above | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UA97cjUN5eE ''Doubt by Bryan Deister (microtonal 16edo snippet)''] (2025) | |||
; [[E8 Heterotic]] | ; [[E8 Heterotic]] | ||
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* [[:File:Mavila_Jazz_Rhodes_1.mp3|''Mavila Jazz Groove'']] | * [[:File:Mavila_Jazz_Rhodes_1.mp3|''Mavila Jazz Groove'']] | ||
* [[:File:mavila4.mp3|''Cold, Dark Night for a Dance'']] | * [[:File:mavila4.mp3|''Cold, Dark Night for a Dance'']] | ||
; [[Budjarn Lambeth]] | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7D0ZgCZlEg ''Waking with a fever before sunrise''] (2026) | |||
; [[Claudi Meneghin]] | ; [[Claudi Meneghin]] | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIWxP_C0aUM | * ''Mavila Fugue'' ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIWxP_C0aUM 2020], [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TLEte0ox3Tw 2026]) | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYkmT46oGhw ''Canon at the Semitone on The Mother's Malison Theme'', for Cor Anglais and Violin] ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6BUauD8EaE for Organ]) | * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYkmT46oGhw ''Canon at the Semitone on The Mother's Malison Theme'', for Cor Anglais and Violin] ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6BUauD8EaE for Organ]) | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7LUSRd1kMg ''Canon on Twinkle Twinkle Little Star'', for Organ] (2023) ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHJYyqge_JQ for Baroque Oboe and Viola]) | * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7LUSRd1kMg ''Canon on Twinkle Twinkle Little Star'', for Organ] (2023) ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHJYyqge_JQ for Baroque Oboe and Viola]) | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/I4-URAGgQMQ ''Baroque Micropiece in 16edo''] (2024) | * [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/I4-URAGgQMQ ''Baroque Micropiece in 16edo''] (2024) | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aQqcbIT7tsg ''MICROPIECE IN 16-EDO FOR BAROQUE CONSORT (Mikrokosmos #21)''] (2026) | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/diyc6e-X1hw ''CANON in 16 edo - 3-in-1 on a GROUND, for BAROQUE CONSORT''] (2026) | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cmJoeypG5e0 ''ALLING FIFTHS in 16-edo, with SHEPARD EFFECT''] (2026) | |||
; [[Herman Miller]] | ; [[Herman Miller]] | ||
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; [[Jean-Pierre Poulin]] | ; [[Jean-Pierre Poulin]] | ||
* [http://www.jeanpierrepoulin.com/mp3/Armodue78.mp3 ''Armodue78''] | * [http://www.jeanpierrepoulin.com/mp3/Armodue78.mp3 ''Armodue78''] | ||
; [[Hans Straub]] | |||
* [https://hansstraub.bandcamp.com/album/nights-in-sixteen ''Nights in Sixteen''] (full album) (2026) | |||
; [[Ron Sword]] | ; [[Ron Sword]] | ||
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* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t7ZmlmrE0Q ''Shot Fades the Sum Of''] | * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t7ZmlmrE0Q ''Shot Fades the Sum Of''] | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y01AlgOPvk ''When the Saints go Marching''] | * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y01AlgOPvk ''When the Saints go Marching''] | ||
; Stephen Weigel (on 16edo keyboard) with [[Clarissa]] (vocal) | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZUBE817kwk8 Microtonal cover of ''All I Want for Christmas is You"'' by Mariah Carey] (2024) | |||
; [[Randy Winchester]] | ; [[Randy Winchester]] | ||
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; [[Woyten]] | ; [[Woyten]] | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLgClI8pyNw ''Don't Take Five''] (2021) | * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLgClI8pyNw ''Don't Take Five''] (2021) | ||
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta1HzwSJmqk (Transcription of this in 48edo subset notation)], by [[Stephen Weigel]] (2026) | |||
; [[Xotla]] | ; [[Xotla]] | ||
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; [[Zewen Senpai]] | ; [[Zewen Senpai]] | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOzBGd64Pi4 ''Simple Ambient Study No. 1''] | * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOzBGd64Pi4 ''Simple Ambient Study No. 1''] | ||
== See also == | == See also == | ||