User talk:Francium

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Edo pages

I see you created many edo pages, but they seems all over the place. Don't you have anything else to say about those edos apart from what it tempers out in the patent val? For one thing, I'd like to remind you of considering the most reasonable subgroups of them, like dual-fifth edos where it's better interpreted in terms of 2.9.…. FloraC (talk) 05:23, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Can you please explain further how the pages seem all over the place? I'm asking because I try to have a structure behind creating and editing pages, because that's how I work the best. I can say something else about edos beside of tempering out specific commas if they support specific temperaments. Is there something else I can look into? Also, what is the optimal way for getting regular temperament properties? I still consider myself as a beginner, especially with the regular temperaments part, so I would be happy if someone can explain to me, what things to use and how to use them (besides of Graham Breed's temperament finder, I already use that). --Francium (talk) 11:14, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
To me they just seem like random edos and I haven't seen anything special about them, so I do wonder what else you have to say. I see you already have a good workflow regarding the page structure, tables, etc, and the error and badness data seem to be accurate. My suggestion is considering the most reasonable subgroups and a number of alternative vals if the edo isn't approximating JI in the most obvious way. Graham's temperament finder finds alternative vals for you. Not that all of them need to be listed, but it's a thing to consider. FloraC (talk) 12:17, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Ok, I see. That randomness is because I also do music in these edos (well, at least I try to) and one piece is finished earlier than another. And I like prime numbers. Also there are some non-prime numbers which have a symbolic meaning for me (which can also apply for prime numbers, too). Thanks for your advice. --Francium (talk) 12:34, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Comma pages

Hello all, I have a question to those who are experienced in creating and editing comma pages. So, I created the page "Unicorn comma" and I don't know what I have done wrong. I looked up how other pages about commas look like, especially the Infobox Interval. Problem is that it didn't turn out how I expected. Did I do something wrong here? If yes, what? Please help me with this issue since there are several already named commas which don't have their own page yet and I would like to help out by creating these pages. --Francium (talk) 18:33, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

I fixed the Unicorn comma template, feel free to look at the edit diff to see what I changed. Keep in mind that very large ratios might not be handled well by the template, so you can provide a monzo instead if the ratio field doesn't work. Fredg999 (talk) 18:42, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Thank you very much! I haven't even noticed myself that I missed to write the ratio in the template. --Francium (talk) 06:18, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


I see you have an EP labeled as using this undocumented temperament. Your link points to Graham's temperament finder, but I don't see the name in the database. So I wonder what this temperament is. FloraC (talk) 12:08, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

The temperament isn't in Graham Breed's temperament finder. I found it in the list of rank-2 temperaments in Scala. Almost one year ago I was so bored that I copied that whole list into a personal file and I forgot about the source the months after. When I was composing something in this temperament I was assuming that I had it from Breed's temperament finder, not knowing that it is completely false. I haven't even thought about how wrong I am, and assuming that nobody was pointing it out, another person hasn't either. All I know is, that the generator is around 496 cents wide. Using xencalc, I assumed the ratio being 8192/6151. The same case goes with the temperament I called by myself "Helayo". The temperament is actually called "Golden Hemimeantone-Lala-Yoyo & Zozo" in Scala's list, but it isn't documented in Breed's temperament finder. Neither in its original name, nor in the name I gave it because the original name being too long for me. I assumed the ratio of the generator being 2048/1771. The name Helayo actually derived from it's original name, I just took the first syllables of the name, ignoring the words "golden" and "& Zozo". Because of these temperaments being basically undocumented, I left them unmentioned in any rank-2 tables. Just because I fool around in my compositions and in naming them, EPs and albums, doesn't mean, that I want to do it here. I postponed the exploration of never-used temperaments that aren't mentioned practically anywhere because I basically don't know anything about them. I'm so sorry for confusing you. --Francium (talk) 15:26, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
Oh, now I see it's in Scala's list of rank-2 tunings. No wonder the word looked a bit familiar to me. In that case it's not a temperament, only a rank-2 tuning. Perhaps it's a tuning designed for a certain temperament but since you didn't have a temperament in mind it'd be better if we don't label it that. However, "helayo" is a real temperament because "lala-yoyo & zozo" is real temperament. Its optimal tuning is likely very close to "golden hemimeantone" so it's listed together in Scala. FloraC (talk) 06:54, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
Okay, I see your point. I just got into exploring rank-2 temperaments (and tunings) back then. I thought that all "temperaments" on the list were actual temperaments, hence the title. So, I experimented with these, guilliable enough to believe that they were right, but at the time you were pointing out, that 1051edo wouldn't support Edson in an obvious way, I thought about changing my way in exploring rank-2 temperaments. Also I dropped the "temperament" thing, because the EP name was getting too long for me. I just changed the name of the Tibrepyt Temperament EP to "Tibrepyt". I will change the Bandcamp links, since they are now broken (nvm, they weren't mentioned). And the thing on Spotify is, that the EP is in review again. --Francium (talk) 09:31, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Note about pulling comma bases from the temperament finder

It seems you were pulling data from Graham's temperament finder. Note that the first few commas for any temperament given by that app may not constitute a basis. For example, {4375/4374, 703125/702464, 2460375/2458624} isn't a basis for 7-limit 1178et since 2460375/2458624 is the difference between 4375/4374 and 703125/702464. If you plug it back you'll see it doesn't single out 1178et. I've fixed it. Plz keep that in mind next time. FloraC (talk) 13:43, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Can I still use the temperament finder for that or are there better sources? --Francium (talk) 15:08, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
Graham's app is still quite good but you gotta watch out for what constitutes a basis and what doesn't. Meanwhile, Sintel's app is guaranteed to give comma bases. I usually do manual search for the simplest one. You don't need to do that if you don't feel like. FloraC (talk) 07:46, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
Okay, thank you very much! --Francium (talk) 10:34, 6 November 2023 (UTC)