User talk:Fredg999

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Hi Fredg999,
Great news to have a math teacher on board. Especially the accessible for beginners part raises my hopes that I will understand one or the other in the near future. --Xenwolf (talk) 21:22, 3 July 2021 (UTC)


... for removing the section anchor here. Sometimes it's too easy to forget your last clicks before copying an external link. There is a really helpful plugin for Firefox and Chrome that copies builds you a link combined of URL and title in several markup languages including MediaWiki (see the Copy URL To Clipboard home page for more). By using it, I sometimes forget to check the URL part. So again thanks for fixing this.

On the other hand, I have to say that I don't like a change you did to the introduction of octave reduction at all, please see related discussion topic. --Xenwolf (talk)

Criteria for category ordering

Hi Fredg999, what are your criteria for changes like this to the order of categorization lines? As I see, it's ordered neither alphabetically nor by specificity. In the summary, you don't elaborate on the background of the change, maybe you found something I've been looking for in vain for a long time? Please share your conclusions. --Xenwolf (talk) 06:30, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

This edit, like similar ones before or after it, was mainly aimed at two things: moving the page from Category:Tempered scale (now deleted) to Category:Tempered scales and from Category:Step-Nested Scales to Category:Step-nested scales (merging WIP). As you have probably noticed, I've been recategorizing a bunch of scale pages lately, and so I try to be somewhat consistent with the order of categories.
Here is what I usually aim for so far. I start by the scale size, since every scale has that. Then, I specify if it's tempered or JI, since most scales are either one or the other, although "mixed" scales including a combination of tempered and JI intervals could exist as well. For tempered scales, I specify the tuning and the temperament (it could have been in the reverse order, but I went with that for now); for JI scales, I noticed that some scales (especially LCJI) specified the prime limit, but I haven't been systematically categorizing JI scales by limit yet, especially since the limit categories aren't so clear as to what they should contain. Also, some scales exist within a family, of which Category:Step-nested scales is one example, so I include that category at this point. I keep Category:Pages with Scala files for the very end, since it's mostly a "meta-category" to my sense (it's more about form than content). Overall, you could say it's a mix of "adjective order rules" and specificity ordering, if that makes sense (e.g. "this is a 12-note tempered scale, and more specifically a step-nested scale").
Since there are no category-related conventions so far, to my knowledge, I tried to get this as coherent as possible by looking at the existing stuff, but it's still a work in progress. For instance, I don't know much about step-nested scales, but if it turns out that they are always tempered, then that could become a subcategory of tempered scales. But then I like the idea of having every tempered scales categorized straight in Category:Tempered scales as well anyway, since I think that conveys the information more clearly, although that's certainly debatable. Also, some scales are described as "haplotonic", "albitonic" or "chromatic" with relation to chromatic pairs, and I'm not sure yet how to treat these categories, so I usually stash them near the end when I don't just forget about them at all.
Anyway, I'm willing to discuss about this sort of conventions, so if you have anything to pitch in, I'd like to hear your point of view. --Fredg999 (talk) 18:35, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks so much for the clarification, also for all the housekeeping work of course. The tiny part I totally missed is the change from Category:Tempered scale to Category:Tempered scales. BTW, I think it could be better to leave the old variants to mark them as deprecated and point to the category to use instead (→ Category:Deprecated categories); this is because categories don't have a useful redirect equivalent. --Xenwolf (talk) 05:49, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
The above-mentioned category (meanwhile renamed to category:step-nested scales) is now deleted. --Xenwolf (talk) 13:26, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Related bot account

I added User:Fredg999 category edits to groups bot and autopatrolled. Best regards --Xenwolf (talk) 18:37, 19 February 2022 (UTC)