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== Theory == | == Theory == | ||
Since 60 = | Since {{nowrap| 60 {{=}} 5 × 12 }}, 60edo belongs to the family of edos which contain [[12edo]], and like the other small edos of this kind, it [[tempering out|tempers out]] the [[Pythagorean comma]], 531441/524288 ({{monzo| -19 12 }}). In the [[5-limit]], it tempers out both the [[magic comma]], 3125/3072, and the [[amity comma]], 1600000/1594323, and supplies the [[optimal patent val]] for 5-limit [[magic]]. In the [[7-limit]] it tempers out [[225/224]], [[245/243]], [[875/864]], and [[10976/10935]], and [[support]]s [[magic]], [[compton]] and [[tritonic]] temperaments. In the [[11-limit]], the 60e [[val]] {{val| 60 95 139 168 '''207''' }} scores lower in [[badness]] than the [[patent val]] {{val| 60 95 139 168 '''208''' }} and makes for an excellent tritonic tuning. It tempers out [[121/120]] and [[441/440]], whereas the patent val tempers out [[100/99]], [[385/384]] and [[540/539]]. The tuning of 13 is superb at half a cent flat, and the 60e val also works excellently for [[13-limit]] tritonic. As a no-fives [[subgroup temperament]], it is also excellent for the 2.3.7.11.13-subgroup [[bleu]] temperament, using the 60d val. | ||
=== Odd harmonics === | |||
{{Harmonics in equal|60}} | |||
=== Subsets and supersets === | |||
60edo is the 9th [[highly composite edo]], with subset edos {{EDOs| 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 12, 15, 20, and 30 }}. In addition, it is of largest consistency among highly composite edos for its size, being consistent in the 9-odd-limit, and all such edos all the way to [[27720edo]] are consistent in only at most 7-odd-limit. | |||
A step of 60edo is exactly 9 [[dexl]]s, or exactly 41 [[mina]]s. | |||
== Intervals == | == Intervals == | ||
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! Degrees | ! Degrees | ||
! Cents | ! Cents | ||
! Approximate | ! Approximate ratios<br>in the 2.3.5.7.13.17 subgroup | ||
! Additional | ! Additional ratios<br>of 11 (tending flat, 60e val) | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 0 | | 0 | ||
| 0 | | 0 | ||
|1/1 | | [[1/1]] | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 1 | |||
| 20 | |||
| | | [[81/80]], ''[[49/48]]'' | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 2 | |||
| 40 | |||
| | | [[50/49]], ''[[64/63]]'' | ||
| ''[[33/32]]'' | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 3 | |||
| 60 | |||
| | | ''[[25/24]]'', [[28/27]], ''[[36/35]]'' | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 4 | |||
| 80 | |||
| | | [[21/20]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 5 | |||
| 100 | |||
| | | [[17/16]], [[18/17]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 6 | |||
| 120 | |||
| | | [[16/15]], [[15/14]], [[14/13]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 7 | |||
| 140 | |||
| | | [[13/12]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 8 | |||
| 160 | |||
| | |||
| | | [[12/11]], [[11/10]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 9 | |||
| 180 | |||
| | | [[10/9]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 10 | |||
| 200 | |||
| | | [[9/8]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 11 | |||
| 220 | |||
| | | [[17/15]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 12 | |||
| 240 | |||
| | | [[8/7]], [[15/13]] | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 13 | |||
| 260 | |||
| | | [[7/6]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 14 | |||
| 280 | |||
| | | [[20/17]] | ||
| | | [[33/28]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 15 | |||
| 300 | |||
| | | [[32/27]] | ||
| | | ''[[13/11]]'' | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 16 | |||
| 320 | |||
| | | [[6/5]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 17 | |||
| 340 | |||
| | | [[39/32]], [[17/14]] | ||
| | | [[11/9]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 18 | |||
| 360 | |||
| | | [[16/13]], [[21/17]] | ||
| | | [[27/22]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 19 | |||
| 380 | |||
| | | [[5/4]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 20 | |||
| 400 | |||
| | | [[81/64]] | ||
| | | ''[[33/26]]'' | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 21 | |||
| 420 | |||
| | |||
| | | [[14/11]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 22 | |||
| 440 | |||
| | | [[9/7]] | ||
| [[22/17]] | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 23 | |||
| 460 | |||
| | | ''[[21/16]]'', [[13/10]], [[17/13]] | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 24 | |||
| 480 | |||
| | |||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 25 | |||
| 500 | |||
| | | [[4/3]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 26 | |||
| 520 | |||
| | | [[27/20]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 27 | |||
| 540 | |||
| | |||
| | | ''[[11/8]]'', [[15/11]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 28 | |||
| 560 | |||
| | | [[18/13]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 29 | |||
| 580 | |||
| | | [[7/5]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 30 | |||
| 600 | |||
| | | [[17/12]], [[24/17]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 31 | |||
| 620 | |||
| | | [[10/7]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 32 | |||
| 640 | |||
| | | [[13/9]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 33 | |||
| 660 | |||
| | |||
| | | ''[[16/11]]'', [[22/15]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 34 | |||
| 680 | |||
| | | [[40/27]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 35 | |||
| 700 | |||
| | | [[3/2]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 36 | |||
| 720 | |||
| | |||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 37 | |||
| 740 | |||
| | | ''[[32/21]]'', [[20/13]], [[26/17]] | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 38 | |||
| 760 | |||
| | | [[14/9]] | ||
| [[17/11]] | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 39 | |||
| 780 | |||
| | |||
| | | [[11/7]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 40 | |||
| 800 | |||
| | | [[128/81]] | ||
| | | ''[[52/33]]'' | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 41 | |||
| 820 | |||
| | | [[8/5]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 42 | |||
| 840 | |||
| | | [[13/8]], [[34/21]] | ||
| | | [[44/27]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 43 | |||
| 860 | |||
| | | [[64/39]], [[28/17]] | ||
| | | [[18/11]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 44 | |||
| 880 | |||
| | | [[5/3]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 45 | |||
| 900 | |||
| | | [[27/16]] | ||
| | | ''[[22/13]]'' | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 46 | |||
| 920 | |||
| | | [[17/10]] | ||
| | | [[56/33]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 47 | |||
| 940 | |||
| | | [[12/7]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 48 | |||
| 960 | |||
| | | [[7/4]], [[26/15]] | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 49 | |||
| 980 | |||
| | | [[30/17]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 50 | |||
| 1000 | |||
| | | [[16/9]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 51 | |||
| 1020 | |||
| | | [[9/5]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 52 | |||
| 1040 | |||
| | |||
| | | [[11/6]], [[20/11]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 53 | |||
| 1060 | |||
| | | [[24/13]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 54 | |||
| 1080 | |||
| | | [[15/8]], [[28/15]], [[13/7]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 55 | |||
| 1100 | |||
| | | [[17/9]], [[32/17]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 56 | |||
| 1120 | |||
| | | [[40/21]] | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 57 | |||
| 1140 | |||
| | | ''[[48/25]]'', [[27/14]], ''[[35/18]]'' | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 58 | |||
| 1160 | |||
| | | [[49/25]], ''[[63/32]]'' | ||
| ''[[64/33]]'' | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 59 | |||
| 1180 | |||
| | | [[160/81]], ''[[96/49]]'' | ||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 60 | |||
| 1200 | |||
| | | [[2/1]] | ||
| | |||
|} | |} | ||
== | == Notation == | ||
[ | === Stein–Zimmermann–Gould notation === | ||
[[Stein–Zimmermann–Gould notation]] uses sharps and flats with arrows: | |||
{{Sharpness-sharp5-szg|60}} | |||
[ | === Kite's ups and downs notation === | ||
60edo can also be notated with [[Kite's ups and downs notation|Kite's ups and downs]], spoken as up, dup, dudsharp, downsharp, sharp, upsharp etc. and down, dud, dupflat etc. Note that dudsharp is equivalent to trup (triple-up) and dupflat is equivalent to trud (triple-down). | |||
{{Sharpness-sharp5a}} | |||
[ | === Sagittal notation === | ||
This notation is a superset of the notations for edos [[12edo #Sagittal notation|12]] and [[6edo #Sagittal notation|6]]. | |||
[ | ==== Evo flavor ==== | ||
<imagemap> | |||
File:60-EDO_Evo_Sagittal.svg | |||
desc none | |||
rect 80 0 300 50 [[Sagittal_notation]] | |||
rect 300 0 655 80 [https://sagittal.org#periodic-table Periodic table of EDOs with sagittal notation] | |||
rect 20 80 190 106 [[45927/45056]] | |||
rect 190 80 310 106 [[46/45]] | |||
default [[File:60-EDO_Evo_Sagittal.svg]] | |||
</imagemap> | |||
==== Revo flavor ==== | |||
<imagemap> | |||
File:60-EDO_Revo_Sagittal.svg | |||
desc none | |||
rect 80 0 300 50 [[Sagittal_notation]] | |||
rect 300 0 628 80 [https://sagittal.org#periodic-table Periodic table of EDOs with sagittal notation] | |||
rect 20 80 190 106 [[45927/45056]] | |||
rect 190 80 310 106 [[46/45]] | |||
default [[File:60-EDO_Revo_Sagittal.svg]] | |||
</imagemap> | |||
== Approximation to JI == | |||
=== Interval mappings === | |||
{{Q-odd-limit intervals|60}} | |||
{{Q-odd-limit intervals|59.9|apx=val|header=none|tag=none|title=15-odd-limit intervals by 60e val mapping}} | |||
== Regular temperament properties == | |||
Multiple vals are listed since they all provide good temperaments. | |||
[ | {| class="wikitable center-4 center-5 center-6" | ||
|- | |||
! rowspan="2" | [[Subgroup]] | |||
! rowspan="2" | [[Comma list]] | |||
! rowspan="2" | [[Mapping]] | |||
! rowspan="2" | Optimal<br>8ve stretch (¢) | |||
! colspan="2" | Tuning error | |||
|- | |||
! [[TE error|Absolute]] (¢) | |||
! [[TE simple badness|Relative]] (%) | |||
|- | |||
| 2.3.5 | |||
| 3125/3072, 531441/524288 | |||
| {{mapping| 60 95 139 }} | |||
| +1.32 | |||
| 1.11 | |||
| 5.56 | |||
|- | |||
| 2.3.5.7 | |||
| 225/224, 245/243, 64827/64000 | |||
| {{mapping| 60 95 139 168 }} | |||
| +1.78 | |||
| 1.25 | |||
| 6.23 | |||
|- | |||
| 2.3.5.7.13 | |||
| 105/104, 196/195, 245/243, 8281/8192 | |||
| {{mapping| 60 95 139 168 222 }} | |||
| +1.45 | |||
| 1.29 | |||
| 6.46 | |||
|-style="border-top: double;" | |||
| 2.3.5.7.11 | |||
| 121/120, 225/224, 245/243, 441/440 | |||
| {{mapping| 60 95 139 168 207 }} (60e) | |||
| +2.08 | |||
| 1.27 | |||
| 6.33 | |||
|- | |||
| 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
| 105/104, 121/120, 196/195, 275/273, 325/324 | |||
| {{mapping| 60 95 139 168 207 222 }} (60e) | |||
| +1.75 | |||
| 1.36 | |||
| 6.80 | |||
|-style="border-top: double;" | |||
| 2.3.5.7.11 | |||
| 100/99, 225/224, 385/384, 3087/3025 | |||
| {{mapping| 60 95 139 168 208 }} (60) | |||
| +0.91 | |||
| 2.05 | |||
| 10.22 | |||
|- | |||
| 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
| 100/99, 105/104, 144/143, 196/195, 1352/1331 | |||
| {{mapping| 60 95 139 168 208 222 }} (60) | |||
| +0.79 | |||
| 1.89 | |||
| 9.44 | |||
|} | |||
by | === Rank-2 temperaments === | ||
{| class="wikitable center-all left-5" | |||
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Table of rank-2 temperaments by generator | |||
|- | |||
! Periods<br>per 8ve | |||
! Generator* | |||
! Cents* | |||
! Associated<br>ratio* | |||
! Temperament | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 7\60 | |||
| 140.0 | |||
| 13/12 | |||
| [[Quintannic]] (60e) | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 13\60 | |||
| 260.0 | |||
| 7/6 | |||
| [[Superpelog]] (7-limit, 60bbccdd) | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 17\60 | |||
| 340.0 | |||
| 39/32 | |||
| [[Houborizic]] (60) / [[houbor]] (60e) | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 19\60 | |||
| 380.0 | |||
| 5/4 | |||
| [[Magic]] (60) / [[Magic_extensions#Witchcraft|witchcraft]] (60e) | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 29\60 | |||
| 580.0 | |||
| 7/5 | |||
| [[Tritonic]] (60e) / [[tritoni]] (60) | |||
|- | |||
| 2 | |||
| 1\60 | |||
| 20.0 | |||
| 81/80 | |||
| [[Bicommatic]] (60e) | |||
|- | |||
| 2 | |||
| 7\60 | |||
| 140.0 | |||
| 13/12 | |||
| [[Fifive]] / [[fifives]] (60) | |||
|- | |||
| 2 | |||
| 19\60<br>(11\60) | |||
| 380.0<br>(220.0) | |||
| 5/4<br>(25/22) | |||
| [[Astrology]] (60de) / [[divination]] (60e) | |||
|- | |||
| 2 | |||
| 13\60 | |||
| 260.0 | |||
| 7/6 | |||
| [[Bamity]] (11-limit, 60e) | |||
|- | |||
| 3 | |||
| 7\60 | |||
| 140.0 | |||
| 243/224 | |||
| [[Septichrome]] | |||
|- | |||
| 5 | |||
| 19\60<br>(5\60) | |||
| 380.0<br>(100.0) | |||
| 5/4<br>(256/245) | |||
| [[Warlock]] | |||
|- | |||
| 5 | |||
| 25\60<br>(1\60) | |||
| 500.0<br>(20.0) | |||
| 4/3<br>(81/80) | |||
| [[Quintile]] (60) | |||
|- | |||
| 6 | |||
| 17\60<br>(3\60) | |||
| 340.0<br>(60.0) | |||
| 375/308<br>(1760/1701) | |||
| [[Semiseptichrome]] (11-limit, 60e) | |||
|- | |||
| 10 | |||
| 25\60<br>(1\60) | |||
| 500.0<br>(20.0) | |||
| 4/3<br>(91/90) | |||
| [[Decile]] (60e)<br>[[Decic]] (60) / [[splendecic]] (60e) / [[prodecic]] (60e) | |||
|- | |||
| 12 | |||
| 19\60<br>(1\60) | |||
| 380.0<br>(20.0) | |||
| 5/4<br>(81/80) | |||
| [[Compton]] / [[comptone]] (60e) | |||
|- | |||
| 12 | |||
| 12\60<br>(2\60) | |||
| 240.0<br>(40.0) | |||
| 8/7<br>(40/39) | |||
| [[Catnip]] (60cf) | |||
|- | |||
| 15 | |||
| 25\60<br>(3\60) | |||
| 500.0<br>(20.0) | |||
| 4/3<br>(126/125) | |||
| [[Pentadecal]] (60) / [[Cloudy_clan#Quindeca|quindecal]] (60e) | |||
|- | |||
| 20 | |||
| 25\60<br>(2\60) | |||
| 500.0<br>(20.0) | |||
| 4/3<br>(99/98) | |||
| [[Degrees]] (60e) | |||
|} | |||
<nowiki/>* [[Normal forms #Equave-reduced-generator form|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[normal forms #Minimal-generator form|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct | |||
== | == Diagrams == | ||
[[File:60edo_wheel_with_cents_values.png|alt=60edo wheel with cents values.png|560x560px|60edo wheel with cents values.png]] | [[File:60edo_wheel_with_cents_values.png|alt=60edo wheel with cents values.png|560x560px|60edo wheel with cents values.png]] {{todo|annotate}} | ||
[[File:blue_60edo.png|alt=blue_60edo.png|blue_60edo.png]] | [[File:blue_60edo.png|alt=blue_60edo.png|blue_60edo.png]] | ||
== Octave stretch or compression == | |||
What follows is a comparison of compressed- and stretched-octave 60edo tunings. | |||
60edo can benefit from slightly [[stretched and compressed tuning|stretching the octave]], especially when using it as a no-11 17-limit equal temperament. With the right amount of stretch we can find better harmonics 3, 5, and 7 at the expense of somewhat less accurate approximations of 2 and 13. Tunings such as [[155ed6]], [[95edt]] or [[zpi|301zpi]] make good options for this. | |||
== Scales == | |||
* [[5- to 10-tone scales in 60edo]] | |||
* Amulet{{idiosyncratic}} (approximated from [[25edo]], subset of [[magic]]): 5 2 5 5 2 5 7 5 5 2 5 7 5 | |||
* Approximations of [[gamelan]] scales: | |||
** 5-tone pelog: 6 8 20 5 21 | |||
** 7-tone pelog: 6 8 12 8 5 14 7 | |||
** 5-tone slendro: 12 12 12 12 12 | |||
== Instruments == | |||
Due to its highly composite nature, 60edo has an unusually high number of ways it can be subdivided. This means it has multiple good [[skip-fretting]] systems which can be used to create stringed instruments with playable fret spacings that still span the full gamut. Probably the best of these is tuning a 20edo guitar to major thirds, as demonstrated by Robin Perry in the image below. This is very closely related to the [[Kite Guitar]], with tuning accuracy slightly worse in the 11-limit, but far better when ratios of 13, 17 & 19 are added. | |||
[[File:60edoguitar.jpg|alt=60edoguitar.jpg|60edoguitar.jpg]] | [[File:60edoguitar.jpg|alt=60edoguitar.jpg|60edoguitar.jpg]] | ||
Robin Perry | * [[Skip fretting system 60 2 29]] | ||
* [[Skip fretting system 60 3 19]] | |||
* [[Skip fretting system 60 4 17]] | |||
* [[Lumatone mapping for 60edo]] | |||
== Music == | |||
; [[Graham Breed]] | |||
* [http://x31eq.com/music/dingshi.mp3 ''Dingshi''] | |||
* ''Gene's Jitterbug'' [http://x31eq.com/music/jitter.ogg (ogg)] [http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Breed/jitter.mp3 (mp3)] [http://x31eq.com/music/jitter60.pdf Score] | |||
; [[Bryan Deister]] | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nlKHUDCR3pI ''60edo improv''] (2025-05-16) | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VA_P26_3dTk ''60edo improv''] (2025-11-22) | |||
; [[Robin Perry]] | |||
* [https://youtu.be/1rrgmP9VYQU ''Skating On Thin Ice''] [http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Perry/Skating%20On%20Thin%20Ice.mp3 play] | |||
* [https://youtu.be/5GIZOYMkkJ0 ''My Mother Said So''] [http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Perry/My%20Mother%20Said%20So.mp3 play] | |||
* [http://www.macjams.com/song/62273 ''Black Salt - White Pepper''] [http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Perry/Black%20Salt%20-%20White%20Pepper.mp3 play] | |||
* [http://www.macjams.com/song/64413 ''NGC 300''] [http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Perry/NGC%20300.mp3 play] | |||
; [[William Sethares]] | |||
* [http://eceserv0.ece.wisc.edu/%7Esethares/mp3s/rojqoq.html ''Rojqoq (So-Called Peace)''] [http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Sethares/Rojqoq.mp3 play] | |||
; [[Randy Wells]] | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuLl0UUhUK0 ''Absinthe Green''] | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNkg1rQE8Zk ''The Well of Sensitivity''] | |||
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