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* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.8575{{c}}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.8575{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.810 +0.263 }}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.810 +0.263 }}
<!-- * [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.844{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, …, 51c, 58, 65, 137, 202, 267, 469 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, …, 51c, 58, 65, 137, 202, 267, 469 }}
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=== Overview to extensions ===
=== Overview to extensions ===
Full 7-limit extensions of gravity include marvo ({{nowrap| 65d & 72 }}), zarvo ({{nowrap| 65 & 72 }}), gravid ({{nowrap| 58 & 65 }}), and harry ({{nowrap| 58 & 72 }}), all considered below. A notable subgroup extension is larry.
Full 7-limit extensions of gravity include abergravity ({{nowrap| 58 & 65d }}), marvo ({{nowrap| 65d & 72 }}), zarvo ({{nowrap| 65 & 72 }}), gravid ({{nowrap| 58 & 65 }}), and harry ({{nowrap| 58 & 72 }}), all considered below. A notable subgroup extension is larry.


There is also an unnamed {{nowrap| 58 & 65d }} extension by tempering out [[176/175]] to extend larry to include prime 7 and tempering out [[847/845]] to extend it to the 13-limit, with an [[S-expression]]-based comma list of {[[5120/5103|S8/S9]], [[8019/8000|S9/S10]], [[4000/3993|S10/S11]], ([[847/845|S11/S13]],) [[144/143|S12]]}.
=== 2.3.5.11 subgroup (larry) ===
Gravity is most naturally thought of as a 2.3.5.11 subgroup temperament, which in terms of S-expressions is defined by equating S9 ([[81/80]]), S10 ([[100/99]]), and S11 ([[121/120]]). By tempering out S10/S11, [[4/3]] is split into three intervals of [[11/10]], and by tempering out S9/S11, [[3/2]] is split into two intervals of [[11/9]]. The overall structure therefore divides 6/1 into six generators of 27/20.


=== 2.3.5.11 subgroup (larry) ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.11


Comma list: 243/242, 4000/3993
Comma list: 243/242, 4000/3993


Subgrop-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 5 12 12 | 0 -6 -17 -15 }}
Subgrop-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 -1 -5 -3 | 0 6 17 15 }}


Gencom mapping: {{mapping| 1 5 12 0 12 | 0 -6 -17 0 -15 }}
Gencom mapping: {{mapping| 1 -1 -5 0 -3 | 0 6 17 0 15 }}


Optimal tunings:  
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1200.0787{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.8677{{c}}
* WE: ~2 = 1200.0787{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.8677{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.8400{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.8400{{c}}
<!-- * POTE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.834{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, …, 51ce, 58, 65, 137, 202 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, …, 51ce, 58, 65, 137, 202 }}


Badness (Sintel): 0.389
Badness (Sintel): 0.389
== Abergravity ==
Abergravity is the extension of 2.3.5.11-subgroup gravity with prime 7 by extending the streak [[121/120|S11]]~[[100/99|S10]]~[[81/80|S9]]~[[64/63|''S8'']], so that the generalized comma 121/120~100/99~81/80 discussed in [[#2.3.5.11 subgroup (larry)]] is equated with a shrunk [[~]][[64/63]], hence a flat-tending [[~]][[8/7]] is characteristic. It is the [[58edo|58]] & [[65edo|65d]] temperament, also supported by their [[val]] sum of 58 + 65d = [[123edo|123df]]. A sharp edo tuning of prime 7 (and hence a flat tuning of 8/7) is also possible with the extreme tuning [[51edo|51ce-edo]], in which [[1029/1024]] ([[S-expression|S7/S8]]) vanishes. (Note that while [[65edo]] doesn't appear in any of the optimal ET sequences, it is a very viable tuning if you like a sharp 7.)
An obvious extension to the 13-limit is by noticing the 'squeeze' of equated commas (S8, S9, S10, S11) as suggesting [[144/143]] ({{S|12}}) to be tempered out, which fits the 58 & 65d join, and this is intuitively confirmed by also tempering out [[847/845]] ([[S-expression|S11/S13]]) so that the spacing is made natural, but also because it tempers out [[352/351]] and [[351/350]] in the 13-limit as a natural extension for [[176/175]] ([[S-expression|S8/S10]]), their product. Arguably the best edo tuning for making sense of this spacing is [[58edo]], a great tuning for [[15-odd-limit]] where the distinction between [[12/11]]~[[13/12]] and [[14/13]]~[[15/14]] helps solidifying each other's identity. Alternatively, [[65edo]] gives a [[marvel]] tuning (16/15~15/14), and any tuning between them, such as [[123edo]], distinguishes 14/13, 15/14 and 16/15.
Abergravity was first discovered by [[User:Godtone|Godtone]] but left unnamed until being rediscovered and named by [[User:2^67-1|2^67-1]] in 2026 as a contraction of ''aberschismic'' and ''gravity''. Its S-expression-based comma list is {[[5120/5103|S8/S9]], [[8019/8000|S9/S10]], [[4000/3993|S10/S11]], ([[847/845|S11/S13]],) [[144/143|S12]], [[256/255|S16]]}.
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Comma list]]: 5120/5103, 177147/175000
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -1 -5 11 | 0 6 17 -19 }}
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1198.8184{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.6336{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| -1.182 -0.972 +2.366 +2.137 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 517.1335{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.846 +4.956 +5.637 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 51c, 58, 123d, 181cd, 239ccdd }}
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 3.46
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 176/175, 243/242, 2560/2541
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -1 -5 11 -3 | 0 6 17 -19 15 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1198.7370{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.5874{{c}}
: error map: {{val| -1.263 -1.168 +1.987 +2.120 +1.282 }}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 517.1165{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.744 +4.666 +5.961 +5.429 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 51ce, 58, 123d, 181cde }}
Badness (Sintel): 1.56
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 144/143, 176/175, 243/242, 847/845
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -1 -5 11 -3 5 | 0 6 17 -19 15 -3 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1198.5623{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.5280{{c}}
: error map: {{val| -1.438 -1.349 +1.851 +1.327 +0.916 +2.700 }}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 517.1346{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.853 +4.975 +5.617 +5.701 +8.069 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 51ce, 58, 123df, 181cdeff, 239ccddeefff }}
Badness (Sintel): 1.14
=== 17-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Comma list: 144/143, 170/169, 176/175, 243/242, 847/845
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -1 -5 11 -3 5 14 | 0 6 17 -19 15 -3 -23 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1198.758{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.566{{c}}
: error map: {{val| -1.242 -1.316 +1.521 +2.755 +0.901 +3.564 -3.365 }}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 517.099{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.640 +4.373 +6.289 +5.171 +8.175 +1.762 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 58, 123df }}
Badness (Sintel): 1.25


== Marvo ==
== Marvo ==
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[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 78125000/78121827
[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 78125000/78121827


{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 5 12 29 | 0 -6 -17 -46 }}
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -1 -5 -17 | 0 6 17 46 }}


[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
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* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.7131{{c}}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.7131{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -1.676 -2.191 -0.024 }}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -1.676 -2.191 -0.024 }}
<!-- * [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.694{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 65d, 72, 353c, 425bc, 497bc, 569bcc }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 65d, 72, 353c, 425bc, 497bc, 569bcc }}
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Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 4000/3993
Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 4000/3993


Mapping: {{mapping| 1 5 12 29 12 | 0 -6 -17 -46 -15 }}
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -1 -5 -17 -3 | 0 6 17 46 15 }}


Optimal tunings:  
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1200.5247{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.9253{{c}}
* WE: ~2 = 1200.5247{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.9253{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.7142{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.7142{{c}}
<!-- * POTE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.699{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 65d, 72, 281, 353c, 425bc, 497bc }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 65d, 72, 281, 353c, 425bc, 497bc }}
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Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 351/350, 1625/1617
Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 351/350, 1625/1617


Mapping: {{mapping| 1 5 12 29 12 39 | 0 -6 -17 -46 -15 -62 }}
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -1 -5 -17 -3 -23 | 0 6 17 46 15 62 }}


Optimal tunings:  
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1200.4175{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.9102{{c}}
* WE: ~2 = 1200.4175{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.9102{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.7401{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.7401{{c}}
<!-- * POTE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.730{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 65d, 72, 137, 209, 281f }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 65d, 72, 137, 209, 281f }}
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== Zarvo ==
== Zarvo ==
Zarvo was named by [[Petr Pařízek]] in 2011, for it is similar to marvo, but with prime 7 mapped to -26 steps.<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_101780.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Suggested names for the unclasified temperaments'']</ref>
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 4375/4374, 33075/32768
[[Comma list]]: 4375/4374, 33075/32768


{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 5 12 -12 | 0 -6 -17 26 }}
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -1 -5 14 | 0 6 17 -26 }}


[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
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* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.7041{{c}}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.7041{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -1.730 -2.344 -3.133 }}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -1.730 -2.344 -3.133 }}
<!-- * [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.702{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 65, 72, 281d, 353cd, 425bcdd, 497bcdd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 65, 72, 281d, 353cd, 425bcdd, 497bcdd }}
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Comma list: 243/242, 385/384, 4000/3993
Comma list: 243/242, 385/384, 4000/3993


Mapping: {{mapping| 1 5 12 -12 12 | 0 -6 -17 26 -15 }}
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -1 -5 14 -3 | 0 6 17 -26 15 }}


Optimal tunings:  
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1200.7023{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.9937{{c}}
* WE: ~2 = 1200.7023{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.9937{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.6957{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.6957{{c}}
<!-- * POTE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.691{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 65, 72, 353cd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 65, 72, 353cd }}
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Comma list: 169/168, 243/242, 325/324, 385/384
Comma list: 169/168, 243/242, 325/324, 385/384


Mapping: {{mapping| 1 5 12 -12 12 -2 | 0 -6 -17 26 -15 10 }}
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -1 -5 14 -3 8 | 0 6 17 -26 15 -10 }}


Optimal tunings:  
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1200.9333{{c}}, ~27/20 = 517.0690{{c}}
* WE: ~2 = 1200.9333{{c}}, ~27/20 = 517.0690{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.6698{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.6698{{c}}
<!-- * POTE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.667{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 65f, 72 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 65f, 72 }}
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[[Comma list]]: 126/125, 1605632/1594323
[[Comma list]]: 126/125, 1605632/1594323


{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 5 12 25 | 0 -6 -17 -39 }}
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -1 -5 -14 | 0 6 17 39 }}


[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
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* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 517.1162{{c}}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 517.1162{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.742 +4.662 -1.292 }}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.742 +4.662 -1.292 }}
<!-- * [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 517.140{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 58, 123, 181c }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 58, 123, 181c }}
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Comma list: 126/125, 243/242, 896/891
Comma list: 126/125, 243/242, 896/891


Mapping: {{mapping| 1 5 12 25 12 | 0 -6 -17 -39 -15 }}
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -1 -5 -14 -3 | 0 6 17 39 15 }}


Optimal tunings:  
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1199.0523{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.7466{{c}}
* WE: ~2 = 1199.0523{{c}}, ~27/20 = 516.7466{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 517.1210{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 517.1210{{c}}
<!-- * POTE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~27/20 = 517.155{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 58, 123, 181ce }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 58, 123, 181ce }}
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{{Main| Harry }}
{{Main| Harry }}


Harry adds the [[breedsma]], 2401/2400, and the [[cataharry comma]], 19683/19600, to the set of commas, and may be described as the 58 &amp; 72 temperament. The [[period]] is half an [[octave]], and the generator ~21/20, with generator tunings of [[130edo|9\130]] or [[202edo|14\202]] being good choices. [[Mos]] of size 14, 16, 30, 44 or 58 are among the scale choices.
Harry adds the [[breedsma]], 2401/2400, and the [[cataharry comma]], 19683/19600, to the set of commas, and may be described as the {{nowrap| 58 & 72 }} temperament. The [[period]] is half an [[octave]], and the generator ~21/20. The ploidacot for harry is diploid delta-hexacot. Generator tunings of [[130edo|9\130]] or [[202edo|14\202]] are good choices. [[Mos]] of size 14, 16, 30, 44 or 58 are among the scale choices.


It becomes much more interesting as we move to the 11-limit, where we can add [[243/242]], [[441/440]] and [[540/539]] to the set of commas. 9\130 and especially 14\202 still make for good tuning choices.
It becomes much more interesting as we move to the 11-limit, where we can add [[243/242]], [[441/440]] and [[540/539]] to the set of commas. 9\130 and especially 14\202 still make for good tuning choices.
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* [[CWE]]: ~567/400 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~21/20 = 83.1427{{c}}
* [[CWE]]: ~567/400 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~21/20 = 83.1427{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.811 +0.261 -0.253 }}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.811 +0.261 -0.253 }}
<!-- * [[POTE]]: ~567/400 = 600.000{{c}}, ~21/20 = 83.156{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 14c, …, 58, 72, 130, 202, 534, 736b, 938b }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 14c, …, 58, 72, 130, 202, 534, 736b, 938b }}
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* WE: ~99/70 = 600.0504{{c}}, ~21/20 = 83.1740{{c}}
* WE: ~99/70 = 600.0504{{c}}, ~21/20 = 83.1740{{c}}
* CWE: ~99/70 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~21/20 = 83.1589{{c}}
* CWE: ~99/70 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~21/20 = 83.1589{{c}}
<!-- * POTE: ~99/70 = 600.000{{c}}, ~21/20 = 83.167{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 14c, …, 58, 72, 130, 202 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 14c, …, 58, 72, 130, 202 }}
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* WE: ~55/39 = 599.9967{{c}}, ~21/20 = 83.1160{{c}}
* WE: ~55/39 = 599.9967{{c}}, ~21/20 = 83.1160{{c}}
* CWE: ~55/39 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~21/20 = 83.1169{{c}}
* CWE: ~55/39 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~21/20 = 83.1169{{c}}
<!-- * POTE: ~55/39 = 600.000{{c}}, ~21/20 = 83.116{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 14cf, …, 58, 72, 130 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 14cf, …, 58, 72, 130 }}
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* WE: ~17/12 = 600.1620{{c}}, ~21/20 = 83.1904{{c}}
* WE: ~17/12 = 600.1620{{c}}, ~21/20 = 83.1904{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~21/20 = 83.1482{{c}}
* CWE: ~17/12 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~21/20 = 83.1482{{c}}
* POTE: ~17/12 = 600.000{{c}}, ~21/20 = 83.168{{c}} -->


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 14cf, 58, 72, 130, 202g }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 14cf, 58, 72, 130, 202g }}


Badness (Sintel): 0.645
Badness (Sintel): 0.645
== References ==


[[Category:Temperament families]]
[[Category:Temperament families]]
[[Category:Pages with mostly numerical content]]
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[[Category:Gravity family| ]] <!-- main article -->
[[Category:Gravity| ]] <!-- key article -->
[[Category:Rank 2]]
[[Category:Rank 2]]