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{{Infobox Interval
{{Infobox Interval
| Name = septendecimal kleisma, <br>charisma, char comma, <br>octave-reduced 255th subharmonic
| Name = charisma, charic comma, septendecimal kleisma
| Color name = 17ug1, sugu 1sn, <br>Sugu comma
| Color name = 17ug1, sugu 1sn, Sugu comma
| Comma = yes
| Comma = yes
}}
}}
{{Redirect-distinguish|Charisma|Horcrux}}
{{Redirect|Charisma|the temperament that used to go by this name|Horcrux}}


'''256/255''', the '''septendecimal kleisma''', '''charisma''', '''char comma''' or '''octave-reduced 255th subharmonic''' is a [[small comma|small]] [[17-limit]] [[superparticular]] comma about 6.8 [[cent]]s in size. It is the difference between [[16/15]] (the classical diatonic semitone) and [[17/16]] (the large septendecimal semitone) and forms the amount by which a stack consisting of [[15/8]] and 17/16 falls short of an [[octave]].
'''256/255''', the '''charisma''', '''charic comma''' or '''septendecimal kleisma''' is a [[small comma|small]] [[17-limit]] [[superparticular]] comma about 6.8 [[cent]]s in size. It is the difference between [[16/15]] (the classical diatonic semitone) and [[17/16]] (the large septendecimal semitone), the difference between [[128/85]] (the archagall fifth) and [[3/2]] (the just perfect fifth), and the amount by which a stack consisting of [[15/8]] and 17/16 falls short of an [[octave]].
 
It is the octave-reduced 255th subharmonic. By virtue of {{nowrap| 255 {{=}} 2<sup>8</sup> - 1 }}, it is a [[Mersenne comma]].


== Temperaments ==
== Temperaments ==
By tempering it out is defined the full 17-limit rank-6 '''charismic temperament''' or 2.3.5.17 subgroup rank-3 '''charic temperament''', which enables the [[charismic chords]].
[[Tempering out]] this comma defines the full 17-limit rank-6 '''charismic''' temperament or 2.3.5.17-subgroup rank-3 '''charic''' temperament. In either case, it enables the [[charismic chords]].
 
By also tempering out the semitonisma, [[289/288]] ({{S|17}}), charic can be tempered to an efficient but lower-accuracy rank-2 temperament known as [[srutal archagall]], which has [[17/15]]~[[9/8]] and therefore makes the minor third reached by the circle of fifths equal to ~[[20/17]]. Alternatively, by tempering out the marvel comma, [[225/224]] ({{S|15}}), charic can be extended to the 2.3.5.7.17 subgroup, known as [[char]], which is also of lower accuracy compared to either charic or [[marvel]] as it introduces the equivalences [[17/15]]~[[8/7]] and [[20/17]]~[[7/6]].


=== Charic ===
=== Charic ===
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{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 0 8 | 0 1 0 -1 | 0 0 1 -1 }}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 0 8 | 0 1 0 -1 | 0 0 1 -1 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5


: sval mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1199.3878{{c}}, 3/2 = 702.7586{{c}}, 5/4 = 387.9493{{c}}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, 3/2 = 703.0148{{c}}, 5/4 = 388.0713{{c}}


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, 3/2 = 702.6467, 5/4 = 387.7981
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 7, 9, 10, 12, 22, 31, 34, 65, 87, 99, 343cgg, 442cgg, 541bcggg, 640bcgggg }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 7, 9, 10, 12, 22, 31, 34, 65, 87, 99, 343cgg, 442cgg, 541bcggg, 640bcgggg }}
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.157


=== Charismic ===
=== Charismic ===
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


[[Mapping]]: <br>
[[Mapping]]:
 
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: mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5, ~7, ~11, ~13
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5, ~7, ~11, ~13


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, 3/2 = 702.6467, 5/4 = 387.7981, ~7/4, ~11/8, ~13/8
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1199.3878{{c}}, 3/2 = 702.7586{{c}}, 5/4 = 387.9493{{c}}, ~7/4 = 970.0490{{c}}, ~11/8 = 553.1530{{c}}, ~13/8 = 842.3626{{c}}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, 3/2 = 703.0148{{c}}, 5/4 = 388.0713{{c}}, ~7/4 = 970.1701{{c}}, ~11/8 = 552.9744{{c}}, ~13/8 = 842.2995{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 15, 19, 22, 31, 41, 46, 58, 77, 80, 87, 99ef, 111, 121, 152fg, 167, 198g, 256cfg, 319fgg, 377cdefgg, 507cdeefggg, 705bccdeeffggg }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 15, 19, 22, 31, 41, 46, 58, 77, 80, 87, 99ef, 111, 121, 152fg, 167, 198g, 256cfg, 319fgg, 377cdefgg, 507cdeefggg, 705bccdeeffggg }}
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.75


== Etymology and history ==
== Etymology and history ==
Before 2023, this interval was known as ''septendecimal kleisma'' or ''255th subharmonic''.
This interval was described as ''septendecimal kleisma'' as early as 2020.  


The "char" in the name ''charisma'' (or ''char comma'') refers to the char data type in C-derived programming languages, where the char represents a byte of at least or exactly 8 bits. Thereby, the maximum unsigned value for an 8-bit char is 255 and the number of values an 8-bit char can take is 256, hence 256/255.
The "char" in the name ''charisma'' (or ''charic comma'') refers to the char data type in C-derived programming languages, where the char represents a byte of at least or exactly 8 bits. Thereby, the maximum unsigned value for an 8-bit char is 255 and the number of values an 8-bit char can take is 256, hence 256/255.


The former name ''diasemisma'' was proposed by [[User:Xenllium|Xenllium]] in May 2023. It is a contraction of ''diatonic semitone'' into a single word. In some contexts, both [[16/15]] and [[17/16]] are considered minor second (ie. [[diatonic semitone]]), namely classical diatonic semitone and minor diatonic semitone respectively. However, a rename to ''charisma'' was proposed as part of an effort to make naming more standardised and for a number of reasons including potential confusion with [[diasem]] and the former nonconforming naming of [[horcrux]] in the 11- and 13-limit (which were formerly named "charisma" and "charismic", creating a potential false impression that the former was a comma, not a temperament, and that the latter was the temperament defined by tempering that comma in the corresponding prime limit); specifically, see the [[Talk:256/255|talk page]] and [[Temperament naming #Contemporary rules]] for details.
The former name ''diasemisma'' was proposed by [[User:Xenllium|Xenllium]] in May 2023. It is a contraction of ''diatonic semitone'' into a single word. In some contexts, both [[16/15]] and [[17/16]] are considered minor seconds (i.e. [[diatonic semitone]]), namely classical diatonic semitone and minor diatonic semitone respectively. However, a rename to ''charisma'' was proposed as part of an effort to make naming more standardised and for a number of reasons including potential confusion with [[diasem]] and the former nonconforming naming of [[horcrux]] in the 11- and 13-limit (which were formerly named "charisma" and "charismic", creating a potential false impression that the former was a comma, not a temperament, and that the latter was the temperament defined by tempering out that comma in the corresponding prime limit).


The rename took place as Starshine (from the [[XA Discord]] server) suggested (half-jokingly) that a chance had been missed to name it the ''charisma'' in December 2023, a name which [[User:Godtone|Godtone]] took favor to and championed which then caused awareness of nonconforming names of two [[horcrux]] temeraments. A revision to ''charsma'' (no-''i'' spelling) was proposed by Xenllium in January 2024 for disambiguation but this would cause inconsistency with the -ic/-ismic/-isma rule which is a reason that those same temperaments were already being proposed to be renamed.
The rename took place as [[Starshine]] (from the [[XA Discord]] server) suggested (half-jokingly) that a chance had been missed to name it the ''charisma'' in December 2023, a name which [[Godtone]] took favor to and championed which then caused awareness of nonconforming names of two horcrux temeraments. A revision to ''charsma'' (no-''i'' spelling) was proposed by Xenllium in January 2024 for disambiguation but this would cause inconsistency with the -ic/-ismic/-isma rule which is a reason that those same temperaments were already being proposed to be renamed.


== See also ==
== See also ==
* [[Small comma]]
* [[List of superparticular intervals]]
* [[List of superparticular intervals]]
* [[255/128]] – its [[octave complement]]
* [[85/64]] – its [[fourth complement]]


[[Category:Charismic]]
[[Category:Charismic]]
[[Category:Commas named after their interval size]]
[[Category:Commas referencing a famous use of a number]]