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In [[5-limit]] [[just intonation]], '''5/4''' is the [[frequency ratio]] between the 5th and 4th harmonics. It has been called the '''just major third''' or '''classic major third''' to distinguish it from other intervals in that neighborhood. Measuring about 386.3[[cent|¢]], it is about 13.away from [[12edo]]'s major third of 400¢. It has a distinctive "sweet" sound, and has been described as more "laid back" than its 12edo counterpart. Providing a novel consonance after 3, it is the basis for [[5-limit]] harmony. It is distinguished from the [[Pythagorean]] major third of [[81/64]] by the syntonic comma of [[81/80]], which measures about 21.. 81/64 and 5/4 are both just intonation "major thirds", 81/64 having a more active and discordant quality, 5/4 sounding more "restful".
In [[5-limit]] [[just intonation]], '''5/4''' is the [[frequency ratio]] between the 5th and 4th [[harmonic]]s. It has been called the '''just major third''' or '''classic major third''' to distinguish it from other intervals in that neighborhood. Measuring about 386.[[cent|¢]], it is about 13.7 ¢ away from [[12edo]]'s major third of 400 ¢. It has a distinctive "sweet" sound, and has been described as more "laid back" than its 12edo counterpart. Providing a novel consonance after 3, it is the basis for [[5-limit]] harmony. It is distinguished from the [[Pythagorean]] major third of [[81/64]] by the syntonic comma of [[81/80]], which measures about 21.5 ¢. 81/64 and 5/4 are both just intonation "major thirds", 81/64 having a more active and discordant quality, 5/4 sounding more "restful".


In the context of the harmonic series, 5/4 can be heard between the 4th and 5th member of the series, demonstrated here melodically in singing into a resonant [[udderbot]] (from the fundamental up to 5 and then noodling between 5 and 4).
In the context of the harmonic series, 5/4 can be heard between the 4th and 5th member of the series, demonstrated here melodically in singing into a resonant [[udderbot]] (from the fundamental up to 5 and then noodling between 5 and 4).
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* [[:File:5-4.mp3]] – sound sample that illustrates 5/4 as the interval between sung overtones
* [[:File:5-4.mp3]] – sound sample that illustrates 5/4 as the interval between sung overtones


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Revision as of 03:44, 20 December 2021

Interval information
Ratio 5/4
Factorization 2-2 × 5
Monzo [-2 0 1
Size in cents 386.3137¢
Name classic/just major third
Color name y3, yo 3rd
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{M3}^{5} }[/math]
Special properties superparticular,
reduced,
reduced harmonic
Tenney height (log2 nd) 4.32193
Weil height (log2 max(n, d)) 4.64386
Wilson height (sopfr(nd)) 9

[sound info]
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In 5-limit just intonation, 5/4 is the frequency ratio between the 5th and 4th harmonics. It has been called the just major third or classic major third to distinguish it from other intervals in that neighborhood. Measuring about 386.3 ¢, it is about 13.7 ¢ away from 12edo's major third of 400 ¢. It has a distinctive "sweet" sound, and has been described as more "laid back" than its 12edo counterpart. Providing a novel consonance after 3, it is the basis for 5-limit harmony. It is distinguished from the Pythagorean major third of 81/64 by the syntonic comma of 81/80, which measures about 21.5 ¢. 81/64 and 5/4 are both just intonation "major thirds", 81/64 having a more active and discordant quality, 5/4 sounding more "restful".

In the context of the harmonic series, 5/4 can be heard between the 4th and 5th member of the series, demonstrated here melodically in singing into a resonant udderbot (from the fundamental up to 5 and then noodling between 5 and 4).

Approximations by EDOs

Following EDOs (up to 200, and also 643) contain good approximations[1] of the interval 5/4. Errors are given by magnitude, the arrows in the table show if the EDO representation is sharp (↑) or flat (↓).

EDO deg\edo Absolute
error (¢)
Relative
error ()
Equally acceptable multiples [2]
25 8\25 2.3137 4.8202
28 9\28 0.5994 1.3987 18\56, 27\84, 36\112, 45\140
31 10\31 0.7831 2.0229 20\62, 30\93
34 11\34 1.9216 5.4445
53 17\53 1.4081 6.2189
59 19\59 0.1270 0.6242 38\118, 57\177
87 28\87 0.1068 0.7744 56\174
90 29\90 0.3530 2.6471 58\180
115 37\115 0.2268 2.1731
121 39\121 0.4631 4.6701
143 46\143 0.2997 3.5718
146 47\146 0.0123 0.1502
149 48\149 0.2635 3.2714
152 49\152 0.5284 6.6930
171 55\171 0.3488 4.9704
199 64\199 0.3841 6.3691
643 207\643 0.0004 0.0235
  1. error magnitude below 7, both, absolute (in ¢) and relative (in r¢)
  2. Super EDOs up to 200 within the same error tolerance

See also