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| Mapping = 1; -3 -5 6 -4 | | Mapping = 1; -3 -5 6 -4 | ||
| Edo join 1 = 15 | Edo join 2 = 22 | | Edo join 1 = 15 | Edo join 2 = 22 | ||
| | | Generators = 10/9 | ||
| | | Generators tuning = 163 | ||
| Optimization method = CWE | | Optimization method = CWE | ||
| MOS scales = [[1L 6s]], [[7L 1s]], [[7L 8s]] | | MOS scales = [[1L 6s]], [[7L 1s]], [[7L 8s]] | ||
| Pergen = (P8, P4/3) | | Pergen = (P8, P4/3) | ||
| Color name = Triyoti | | Color name = Triyoti | ||
| Odd limit 1 = 5 | Mistuning 1 = | | Odd limit 1 = 5 | Mistuning 1 = 9.8 | Complexity 1 = 7 | ||
| Odd limit 2 = | | Odd limit 2 = 11-limit 15 | Mistuning 2 = 19.9 | Complexity 2 = 15 | ||
}} | }} | ||
[[File:porcupine.png|thumb|Porcupine equates three minor thirds (6/5, in red) with two perfect fourths (4/3, in green). To do so, it tempers out 250/243, which implies a generator of a flat 10/9.|600x600px]] | [[File:porcupine.png|thumb|Porcupine equates three minor thirds (6/5, in red) with two perfect fourths (4/3, in green). To do so, it tempers out 250/243, which implies a generator of a flat 10/9.|600x600px]] | ||
[[File:porcupinesymmetricminor22edo.mp3|thumb|Symmetric minor mode of the Porcupine[7] scale, containing two equal tetrachords with a major wholetone between them, in [[22edo]] tuning.]] | [[File:porcupinesymmetricminor22edo.mp3|thumb|Symmetric minor mode of the Porcupine[7] scale, containing two equal tetrachords with a major wholetone between them, in [[22edo]] tuning.]] | ||
'''Porcupine''' is a [[regular temperament|temperament]] that is [[generator|generated]] by a minor whole tone which is tuned flat to around 160–165 [[cent]]s | '''Porcupine''' is a [[regular temperament|temperament]] that is [[generator|generated]] by a [[10/9|minor whole tone]] which is tuned flat to around 160–165 [[cent]]s. Two generators (stacked) represent [[6/5]], and three represent [[4/3]], so that the [[250/243|porcupine comma (250/243)]] is [[tempering out|tempered out]]; from this, the generator itself represents a very flat 10/9. This is in stark contrast to [[meantone]] temperaments, including [[12edo]], where 10/9 is tuned sharp and equated with [[9/8]] so that two of them reach a ''major'' third of [[5/4]]. The "equal tetrachord" formed by dividing 4/3 into 3 equal parts is a characteristic feature of many of porcupine's scales. | ||
One may also note that in [[just intonation]], a stack of three 6/5's is flat of the classical minor seventh [[9/5]] by [[25/24]], and a stack of two 4/3's is the Pythagorean minor seventh [[16/9]], which is flat of 9/5 by [[81/80]]. Thus, it can be determined that porcupine equates the syntonic comma 81/80 with the 5-limit chromatic semitone [[25/24]], which simplifies the 5-limit to a rank-2 structure in a simple way distinct from temperaments that reduce it to a strong extension of [[pythagorean]] (such as [[meantone]] and [[schismic]]). | One may also note that in [[just intonation]], a stack of three 6/5's is flat of the classical minor seventh [[9/5]] by [[25/24]], and a stack of two 4/3's is the Pythagorean minor seventh [[16/9]], which is flat of 9/5 by [[81/80]]. Thus, it can be determined that porcupine equates the syntonic comma 81/80 with the 5-limit chromatic semitone [[25/24]], which simplifies the 5-limit to a rank-2 structure in a simple way distinct from temperaments that reduce it to a strong extension of [[pythagorean]] (such as [[meantone]] and [[schismic]]). | ||
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Porcupine can be thought of as a [[2.3.5.11 subgroup|2.3.5.11-subgroup]] temperament (sometimes called ''porkypine'') without much additional damage compared to the 5-limit; the generator here represents not only 10/9, but also [[11/10]] and [[12/11]] (equivalently, [[55/54]], [[100/99]], and [[121/120]] are tempered out), with the consequence that the [[11/9]] interval, usually considered a neutral third, is in porcupine identical to the 6/5 minor third, due to the extreme flatness of 10/9. This also means that [[27/20]], the 5-limit "acute fourth", is equivalent to [[11/8]] (rather than becoming 4/3 as in meantone), found at −4 generators (tuned to about 540–560 cents). This is because as the syntonic comma has been expanded, sharpening a fourth by a comma now leads to a significantly sharp interval close to the 11th harmonic. Porcupine is one of the most efficient temperaments in the 2.3.5.11 subgroup at a certain standard of accuracy. | Porcupine can be thought of as a [[2.3.5.11 subgroup|2.3.5.11-subgroup]] temperament (sometimes called ''porkypine'') without much additional damage compared to the 5-limit; the generator here represents not only 10/9, but also [[11/10]] and [[12/11]] (equivalently, [[55/54]], [[100/99]], and [[121/120]] are tempered out), with the consequence that the [[11/9]] interval, usually considered a neutral third, is in porcupine identical to the 6/5 minor third, due to the extreme flatness of 10/9. This also means that [[27/20]], the 5-limit "acute fourth", is equivalent to [[11/8]] (rather than becoming 4/3 as in meantone), found at −4 generators (tuned to about 540–560 cents). This is because as the syntonic comma has been expanded, sharpening a fourth by a comma now leads to a significantly sharp interval close to the 11th harmonic. Porcupine is one of the most efficient temperaments in the 2.3.5.11 subgroup at a certain standard of accuracy. | ||
It is also very easy to extend porcupine to prime 7, because the 16/9, found at +6 generators (tuned to about 960–990 | It is also very easy to extend porcupine to prime 7, because the 16/9, found at +6 generators (tuned to about 960–990{{c}}), has already been flattened to merge it with (6/5)<sup>3</sup>, and therefore can be equated to [[7/4]]. This makes porcupine a weak extension of [[archy]], splitting its generator into three parts; its Pythagorean major third is mapped to [[9/7]], and its fifth is tuned sharp, ranging from around 705–720{{c}}, with the best tunings around 711–712{{c}}, which roughly splits the damage on 7/4 and 9/7. This extension sets [[7/6]], 6/5, 5/4, and 9/7 equidistant, thus tempering out [[875/864]], making porcupine a [[keemic temperaments|keemic temperament]]. | ||
See [[Porcupine family #Porcupine]] for technical data. See [[Porcupine extensions]] for a discussion on [[13-limit]] [[extension]]s | See [[Porcupine family #Porcupine]] for technical data and alternative 7-limit extensions. See [[Porcupine extensions]] for a discussion on [[13-limit]] [[extension]]s. | ||
== Interval chain == | == Interval chain == | ||
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| 7 | | 7 | ||
| 1139.7 | | 1139.7 | ||
| 48/25, | | 35/18, 48/25, 64/33 | ||
| d8 | | d8 | ||
| v8 = ^^d8 | | v8 = ^^d8 | ||
| −7 | | −7 | ||
| 60.3 | | 60.3 | ||
| 25/24, | | 25/24, 33/32, 36/35 | ||
| A1 | | A1 | ||
| ^1 = vvA1 | | ^1 = vvA1 | ||
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| M3 | | M3 | ||
|} | |} | ||
<nowiki>* | <nowiki/>* In 11-limit [[CWE tuning]], octave reduced | ||
In the ups and downs notation, the [[enharmonic unison]] is the trudsharp, the triple-down augmented unison. The porcupine notation does not have an enharmonic unison. | In the ups and downs notation, the [[enharmonic unison]] is the trudsharp, the triple-down augmented unison. The porcupine notation does not have an enharmonic unison. | ||
Besides the specific tuning shown here, there is a range of acceptable porcupine tunings that includes generators as small as 160 | Besides the specific tuning shown here, there is a range of acceptable porcupine tunings that includes generators as small as 160{{c}} ([[15edo]]) and as large as 165.5{{c}} ([[29edo]]). However, the 29edo patent val does not support full 11-limit porcupine proper, since it does not temper out [[64/63]]. | ||
== Chords and harmony == | == Chords and harmony == | ||
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== Scales == | == Scales == | ||
[[File:porcupine8.jpg|thumb|Porcupine[8]]] | |||
{{Main| Porcupine scales }} | {{Main| Porcupine scales }} | ||
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* [[Porkypine15]] | * [[Porkypine15]] | ||
; Mos scales, 8/5.12/7 [[Eigenmonzo|eigenmonzo (unchanged | ; Mos scales, 8/5.12/7 [[Eigenmonzo|eigenmonzo (unchanged interval)]] tuning: | ||
* [[Porcupinewoo15]] | * [[Porcupinewoo15]] | ||
* [[Porcupinewoo22]] | * [[Porcupinewoo22]] | ||
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== Tunings == | == Tunings == | ||
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | ||
|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | 5-limit | |+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | 5-limit norm-based tunings | ||
|- | |- | ||
! rowspan="2" | | ! rowspan="2" | | ||
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{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | ||
|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | 2.3.5.11-subgroup | |+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | 2.3.5.11-subgroup norm-based tunings | ||
|- | |- | ||
! rowspan="2" | | ! rowspan="2" | | ||
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{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | ||
|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | 11-limit | |+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | 11-limit norm-based tunings | ||
|- | |- | ||
! rowspan="2" | | ! rowspan="2" | | ||
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{| class="wikitable center-all left-4" | {| class="wikitable center-all left-4" | ||
|- | |- | ||
! | ! EDO<br>generator | ||
! [[Eigenmonzo| | ! [[Eigenmonzo|Unchanged interval<br>(eigenmonzo)]]* | ||
! Generator (¢) | ! Generator (¢) | ||
! Comments | ! Comments | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 1\8 | | '''[[8edo|1\8]]''' | ||
| | | | ||
| 150.000 | | '''150.000''' | ||
| Lower bound of 5-odd-limit diamond monotone | | '''Lower bound of 5-odd-limit diamond monotone''' | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| 12/11 | | [[12/11]] | ||
| 150.637 | | 150.637 | ||
| Lower bound of 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff | | Lower bound of 11-odd-limit and 11-limit 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| 6/5 | | [[6/5]] | ||
| 157.821 | | 157.821 | ||
| | | 1/2-comma; lower bound of 5-, 7-, and 9-odd-limit diamond tradeoff | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 2\15 | | '''[[15edo|2\15]]''' | ||
| | | | ||
| 160.000 | | '''160.000''' | ||
| Lower bound of 7- | | '''Lower bound of 7-odd-limit to 11-limit 15-odd-limit diamond monotone''' | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| | | [[7/4]] | ||
| 161.471 | | 161.471 | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[52edo|7\52]] | |||
| | | | ||
| 14/11 | | 161.538 | ||
| 52b val | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| [[14/11]] | |||
| 161.751 | | 161.751 | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| 7/5 | | [[7/5]] | ||
| 162.047 | | 162.047 | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 5\37 | | [[37edo|5\37]] | ||
| | | | ||
| 162.162 | | 162.162 | ||
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|- | |- | ||
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| 11 | | [[16/11]] | ||
| 162.171 | | 162.171 | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 8\59 | | [[96edo|13\96]] | ||
| | |||
| 162.500 | |||
| 96b val | |||
|- | |||
| [[59edo|8\59]] | |||
| | | | ||
| 162.712 | | 162.712 | ||
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|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| 5 | | [[8/5]] | ||
| 162.737 | | 162.737 | ||
| 5- and 7-odd-limit minimax | | 2/5-comma, 5- and 7-odd-limit minimax | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| 15 | | [[28/15]] | ||
| 162.897 | | 162.897 | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| 7/6 | | [[7/6]] | ||
| 162.986 | | 162.986 | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 3\22 | | '''[[22edo|3\22]]''' | ||
| | | | ||
| 163.636 | | '''163.636''' | ||
| Upper bound of 7- | | '''Upper bound of 7-odd-limit to 11-limit 15-odd-limit diamond monotone''' | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| 9 | | [[14/9]] | ||
| 163.743 | | 163.743 | ||
| 9- and 11-odd-limit minimax | | 9-, 11-, and 11-limit 15-odd-limit minimax | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| 16/15 | | [[16/15]] | ||
| 163.966 | | 163.966 | ||
| | | 3/8-comma | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 7\51 | | [[51edo|7\51]] | ||
| | | | ||
| 164.706 | | 164.706 | ||
| | | 51d val | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| 11/10 | | [[11/10]] | ||
| 165.004 | | 165.004 | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 4\29 | | [[29edo|4\29]] | ||
| | | | ||
| 165.517 | | 165.517 | ||
| | | 29d val | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| 15 | | [[22/15]] | ||
| 165.762 | | 165.762 | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| 4/3 | | [[4/3]] | ||
| 166.015 | | 166.015 | ||
| | | 1/3-comma; upper bound of 5- and 7-odd-limit diamond tradeoff | ||
|- | |||
| [[36edo|5\36]] | |||
| | |||
| 166.667 | |||
| 36cde val | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 1\7 | | '''[[7edo|1\7]]''' | ||
| | | | ||
| 171.429 | | '''171.429''' | ||
| Upper bound of 5-odd-limit diamond monotone | | '''Upper bound of 5-odd-limit diamond monotone''' | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| 11/9 | | [[11/9]] | ||
| 173.704 | | 173.704 | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| 10/9 | | [[10/9]] | ||
| 182.404 | | 182.404 | ||
| | | Untempered generator; upper bound of 9- to 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff | ||
|} | |} | ||
<nowiki/>* Besides the octave | |||
== History == | == History == | ||
Porcupine temperament/scales were discovered by [[Dave Keenan]], but did not have a name until [[Herman Miller]] mentioned that his ''Mizarian Porcupine Overture'' in 15et had a section that pumps the 250/243 comma. Although this music did not use a porcupine mos or [[modmos]] (which would have 7 or 8 notes), the name was adopted for such scales as well, once the essentially one-to-one relationship between vanishing commas and sequences of [[ | Porcupine temperament/scales were discovered by [[Dave Keenan]], but did not have a name until [[Herman Miller]] mentioned that his ''Mizarian Porcupine Overture'' in 15et had a section that pumps the 250/243 comma. Although this music did not use a porcupine mos or [[modmos]] (which would have 7 or 8 notes), the name was adopted for such scales as well, once the essentially one-to-one relationship between vanishing commas and sequences of [[MOS]] scales was fully evident. It was clear that even though Herman's piece was in 15edo, 22edo was a porcupine tuning par excellence, and that was an interesting development in itself. | ||
== See also == | == See also == | ||
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=== 21st century === | === 21st century === | ||
; [[Flora Canou]] | ; [[Flora Canou]] | ||
* [https://soundcloud.com/floracanou/april-porkfest?in=floracanou/sets/totmc-suite | * [https://soundcloud.com/floracanou/april-porkfest?in=floracanou/sets/totmc-suite "April Porkfest"] from [https://soundcloud.com/floracanou/sets/totmc-suite ''TOTMC Suite''] (2023–2025) – in 11-limit CTE tuning | ||
; [[User:CellularAutomaton|CellularAutomaton]] | ; [[User:CellularAutomaton|CellularAutomaton]] | ||
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; [[Jake Freivald]] | ; [[Jake Freivald]] | ||
* [ | * ''[https://soundcloud.com/jdfreivald/porcupine-comma-pump Porcupine Comma Pump]'' | ||
; [[Cody Hallenbeck]] | ; [[Cody Hallenbeck]] | ||
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* [https://soundcloud.com/pianodog/waltzing-in-candyland-15-edo ''Waltzing in Candyland''] (2015) – in Porcupine[8], 15edo tuning | * [https://soundcloud.com/pianodog/waltzing-in-candyland-15-edo ''Waltzing in Candyland''] (2015) – in Porcupine[8], 15edo tuning | ||
; [[Juhani Nuorvala]] | |||
[ | * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAHkjOvplVg ''Kellot (Bells)''] (2025) – in 96edo tuning | ||
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