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The '''rastmic clan''' of temperaments [[tempers out]] 243/242.
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The '''rastmic clan''' of [[regular temperament|temperaments]] [[tempering out|tempers out]] the [[rastma]], {{nowrap|243/242 {{=}} {{monzo| -1 5 0 0 -2 }}}}.


== Neutral ==
== Neutral ==
Neutral can be thought of as the 2.3.11 version of either [[mohajira]] or [[maqamic]], as well as suhajira and ringo. Among other things, it is the temperament optimizing the [[neutral tetrad]].
Neutral is the 2.3.11-[[subgroup]] temperament with a [[generator]] of a neutral third which can be taken to represent {{nowrap|[[11/9]] [[~]] [[27/22]]}}, two of which make up a perfect fifth of [[3/2]]. It can be thought of as the 2.3.11 version of either [[mohajira]] or [[neutrominant]], as well as [[suhajira]] and [[archytas clan #Ringo|ringo]]. Among other things, it is the temperament optimizing the [[neutral tetrad]].


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.11
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.11
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{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 1 0 0 2 | 0 2 0 0 5 }}
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 1 0 0 2 | 0 2 0 0 5 }}


: gencom: [2 11/9; 243/242]
: [[gencom]]: [2 11/9; 243/242]


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 350.525
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[CTE]]: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 350.572
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 350.525


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 10, 17, 24, 41, 65, 89, 202, 291, 380 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 10, 17, 24, 41, 65, 89, 202, 291, 380 }}
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=== Namo ===
=== Namo ===
Namo adds [[144/143]] to the comma list and finds ~[[16/13]] at the same neutral third. With {{nowrap|11/9 ~ 16/13}}, it requires a slightly flat ~[[27/22]] as the tuning of the neutral third. [[58edo]] is the largest [[patent val]] tuning for it in the [[optimal ET sequence]], with a tuning between that of [[17edo]] and [[41edo]], so that ~11 and ~13 are practically equally sharp, given that [[29edo]] forms a [[consistent circle]] of [[13/11]]'s with a [[closing error]] of 31.2%. It might be recommended as a tuning for this reason, as having the neutral third much sharper to optimize plausibility of ~16/13 implies that the 11 is extremely sharp because 11/9 must be tuned sharp so that 11 must be sharper than 9, which is thus four times as sharp as however sharp of the (3/2)<sup>1/2</sup> neutral third is, while tuning it much flatter means that you increase the error of 16/13, which in 58edo is already as almost 8{{cent}} off and in [[99edo|99ef]] it is only slightly worse. For these reasons, Godtone is not fond of the recommendations by the various [[optimal tuning]]s to tune flat of 58edo, although it is clear that in an optimal tuning nothing much sharper than 58edo should be used, as making 11 more off than 13 would imply damaging 3 and 11/9 more than necessary. Curiously, [[POTE]] recommends a sharper tuning than both [[CTE]] and [[CWE]] here, but still flat of 58edo.
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.11.13
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.11.13


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: gencom: [2 11/9; 144/143 243/242]
: gencom: [2 11/9; 144/143 243/242]


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 351.488
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[CTE]]: 2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 350.746
* [[CWE]]: 2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 351.270
* [[POTE]]: 2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 351.488


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 10, 17, 24, 41 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 10, 17, 24, 41, 58, 99ef, 239eefff, 338eeeffff }}


[[Tp tuning #T2 tuning|RMS error]]: 0.7038 cents
[[Tp tuning #T2 tuning|RMS error]]: 0.7038 cents


== Suhajira ==
== Suhajira ==
Subgroup: 2.3.7.11
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.7.11


Comma list: 64/63, 243/242
[[Comma list]]: 64/63, 243/242


Sval mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 4 2 | 0 2 -4 5 }}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 1 4 2 | 0 2 -4 5 }}


: sval mapping generators: ~2, ~11/9
: sval mapping generators: ~2, ~11/9


Gencom mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 0 4 2 | 0 1 0 -4 5 }}
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 1 0 4 2 | 0 2 0 -4 5 }}


: gencom: [2 3/2; 64/63 99/98]
: [[gencom]]: [2 11/9; 64/63 243/242]


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~11/9 = 353.958
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[CTE]]: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 353.139
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 353.958


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 10, 17, 44e, 61de }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 10, 17, 44e, 61de }}
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Sval mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 4 2 4 | 0 2 -4 5 -1 }}
Sval mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 4 2 4 | 0 2 -4 5 -1 }}


Gencom mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 0 4 2 4 | 0 1 0 -4 5 -1 }}
Gencom mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 0 4 2 4 | 0 2 0 -4 5 -1 }}


: gencom: [2 3/2; 64/63 78/77 99/98]
: gencom: [2 11/9; 64/63 78/77 144/143]


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~11/9 = 353.775
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 353.219
* POTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 353.775


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 10, 17, 44e, 61de }}
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 7, 10, 17, 44e, 61de }}


Scales: [[suhajira7]], [[suhajira10]], [[suhajira17]]
Scales: [[suhajira7]], [[suhajira10]], [[suhajira17]]


== Mohaha ==
== Mohaha ==
{{See also| No-sevens subgroup temperaments #Mohaha }}
Mohaha can be thought of, intuitively, as "meantone with quartertones"; as is the 3/2 generator subdivided in half, so is the [[~]][[25/24]] chromatic semitone divided into two equal ~[[33/32]] quarter tones (in the 2.3.5.11 subgroup). Within this paradigm, mohaha is the temperament that splits the 3/2 into two equal 11/9's, that splits the 6/5 into two equal 11/10~12/11's, and that maps four 3/2's to 5/1. It has a heptatonic mos with three larger steps and four smaller ones, going [[3L 4s|sLsLsLs]]. Taking septimal meantone mapping of 7 leads to [[#Migration]], flattone mapping of 7 leads to [[#Ptolemy]], and dominant mapping of 7 leads to [[#Neutrominant]], while tempering out [[176/175]] gives [[mohajira]] (shown at [[Meantone family#Mohajira|Meantone family]]).
 
Mohaha is the 2.3.5.11 subgroup temperament with a generator of a neutral third, two of which make up a fifth, and which can be taken to represent 11/9. Mohaha can be thought of, intuitively, as "meantone with quartertones"; as is the 3/2 generator subdivided in half, so is the [[~]][[25/24]] chromatic semitone divided into two equal ~[[33/32]] quarter tones (in the 2.3.5.11 subgroup). Within this paradigm, mohaha is the temperament that splits the 3/2 into two equal 11/9's, that splits the 6/5 into two equal 11/10~12/11's, and that maps four 3/2's to 5/1. It has a heptatonic mos with three larger steps and four smaller ones, going [[4L 3s|sLsLsLs]]. Taking septimal meantone mapping of 7 leads to [[#Migration]], flattone mapping of 7 leads to [[#Ptolemy]], and dominant mapping of 7 leads to [[#Neutrominant]].


=== 2.3.5.11 subgroup ===
=== 2.3.5.11 subgroup ===
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{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 1 0 0 2 | 0 2 8 0 5 }}
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 1 0 0 2 | 0 2 8 0 5 }}


: gencom: [2 11/9; 81/80 121/120]
: [[gencom]]: [2 11/9; 81/80 121/120]


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 348.8296
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[CTE]]: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 348.8296
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 348.0938


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 17c, 24, 31, 69e, 100e, 131bee }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 17c, 24, 31, 69e, 100e, 131bee }}
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: gencom: [2 11/9; 66/65 81/80 121/120]
: gencom: [2 11/9; 66/65 81/80 121/120]


Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 348.8794
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 348.8794
* POTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 348.9155


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 17c, 24, 31, 55 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 17c, 24, 31, 55 }}
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: mapping generators: ~2, ~11/9
: mapping generators: ~2, ~11/9


Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 348.5324
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 348.5324
* POTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 348.182


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 24d, 31, 100de, 131bdee, 162bdee }}
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 7d, 24d, 31, 100de, 131bdee, 162bdee }}


Badness: 0.025516
Badness: 0.025516
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Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 0 -3 2 4 | 0 2 8 20 5 -1 }}
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 0 -3 2 4 | 0 2 8 20 5 -1 }}


Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 348.5444
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 348.5444
* POTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 348.490


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 24d, 31 }}
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 7d, 24d, 31 }}


Badness: 0.028071
Badness: 0.028071


=== Ptolemy ===
=== Ptolemy ===
{{Redirect|Ptolemy|the Ancient Greek polymath|Wikipedia: Ptolemy}}
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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: mapping generators: ~2, ~11/9
: mapping generators: ~2, ~11/9


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 346.922
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 346.905
* POTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 346.922


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 31dd, 38d, 45e, 83bcddee }}
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 7, 31dd, 38d, 45e, 83bcddee }}


==== 13-limit ====
==== 13-limit ====
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Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 0 8 2 6 | 0 2 8 -18 5 -8 }}
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 0 8 2 6 | 0 2 8 -18 5 -8 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 346.910
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 346.754
* POTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 346.910


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 31ddf, 38df, 45ef, 83bcddeeff }}
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 7, 31ddf, 38df, 45ef, 83bcddeeff }}


Badness: 0.034316
Badness: 0.034316


== Neutrominant ==
=== Neutrominant ===
<span style="display: block; text-align: right;">[[:de:maqamisch|Deutsch]]</span>
<span style="display: block; text-align: right;">[[:de:maqamisch|Deutsch]]</span>
{{Main| Neutrominant }}
{{Main| Neutrominant }}
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: mapping generators: ~2, ~11/9
: mapping generators: ~2, ~11/9


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 350.934
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 349.865
* POTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 350.934


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 17c, 24d, 41cd }}
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 7, 17c, 24d, 41cd }}


Badness: 0.040240
Badness: 0.040240


=== 13-limit ===
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 0 4 2 4 | 0 2 8 -4 5 -1 }}
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 0 4 2 4 | 0 2 8 -4 5 -1 }}


Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 350.816
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 349.904
* POTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~11/9 = 350.816


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 17c, 24d, 41cd }}
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 7, 17c, 24d, 41cd }}


Badness: 0.027214
Badness: 0.027214
== Semisema ==
In addition to dividing the perfect fifth into two equal parts of {{nowrap|11/9 ~ 27/22}}, semisema, being an extension of [[semaphore]], also divides the perfect fourth into two equal parts of {{nowrap|7/6 ~ 8/7}}.
Subgroup: 2.3.7.11
Comma list: 49/48, 243/242
{{Mapping|2 2 5 4|0 2 1 5|legend=2}}
: sval mapping generators: ~77/54, ~11/9
{{Mapping|2 2 0 5 4|0 2 0 1 5|legend=3}}
: [[gencom]]: [77/54 11/9; 49/48 243/242]
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~77/54 = 1\2, ~11/9 = 351.181
* POTE: ~77/54 = 1\2, ~11/9 = 348.728
Optimal ET Sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence|10, 14, 24, 62dd}}


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