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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">=5 Equal Divisions of the Octave=  
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==="equal pentatonic"===
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5-edo divides the 1200-[[cents|cent]] octave into 5 equal parts, making its smallest interval exactly [[240¢]], or the fifth root of 2.
5edo is notable for being the smallest [[edo]] containing xenharmonic intervals—1edo, 2edo, 3edo, and 4edo are all subsets of [[12edo]].


5-edo is the smallest [[edo]] containing xenharmonic intervals! (1edo 2edo 3edo 4edo are all subsets of 12edo)
== Theory ==
[[File:5edo scale.mp3|thumb|A chromatic 5edo scale on C.]]


==Intervals in 5-edo==
5edo is the smallest edo that contains a usable [[Perfect fifth (interval region)|perfect fifth]] at 720{{Cent}}, being 18{{C}} sharp of a [[just]]ly tuned [[3/2]] ratio at 702{{C}}. As such, it is the smallest edo where elements of traditional music theory begin to make sense.
|| **Interval,
in fifths of
an octave** || **Interval
in ¢** || **Closest
diatonic
interval name** || **The "neighborhood" of just intervals** ||
|| 0 || 0.0 || unison / prime || exactly 1/1 ||
|| 1 || 240.0 || second / third || +8.826 c from septimal second 8/7
-4.969 c from diminished third 144/125
-13.076 c from augmented second 125/108
-26.871 c from septimal minor third 7/6 ||
|| 2 || 480.0 || fourth || +9.219 c from narrow fourth 21/16
-0.686 c from smaller fourth 33/25
-18.045 c from just fourth 4/3 ||
|| 3 || 720.0 || fifth || +18.045 c from just fifth 3/2
+0.686 c from bigger fifth 50/33
-9.219 c from wide fifth 32/21 ||
|| 4 || 960.0 || sixth, seventh || 26.871 c from septimal major sixth 12/7
13.076 c from diminished seventh 216/125
4.969 c from augmented sixth 125/72
-8.826 c from septimal seventh 7/4 ||
|| 5 || 1200.0 || eighth || exactly 2/1 ||


==Related scales==
The 720{{C}} fifth generates an [[equalized]] tuning of the [[pentic]] (2L 3s) scale, where every step is the same size at 240{{C}}, or one step of 5edo. It also generates a [[collapsed]] tuning of the [[diatonic]] (5L 2s) scale, where the [[diatonic semitone]] or minor second is mapped to 0 steps, meaning that E and F as well as B and C are the same note in 5edo.
* By its cardinality, 5-edo is related to other [[pentatonic]] scales, and it is especially close in sound to many Indonesian [[slendro|slendros]].
 
* Due to the interest around the "fifth" interval size, there are many [[nonoctave]] "stretch sisters" to 5-edo: square root of 4/3, cube root of 3/2, 8th root of 3, etc.
5edo is the basic example of an [[equipentatonic]] scale, as in 5edo all steps are exactly the same size.
* For the same reason there are many "circle sisters":
 
** Make a chain of five "bigger fifths" (50/33), which makes three octaves 3.227¢ flat. (50/33)^5=7.985099.
{{W|Tertian harmony}} is also possible in 5edo, but barely: the only chords available are suspended chords, which may also be seen as inframinor (very flat minor) and ultramajor (very sharp major) chords, also known as [[Extraclassical tonality|arto and tendo]] chords, due to how sharp the fifth is. As a result, many triads will share the same three notes, so rootedness is much more important to explicitly establish.
 
In terms of just intonation, besides the perfect fifth, 5edo also contains a relatively accurate approximation the harmonic seventh [[7/4]] at 4 steps (960{{C}}), being 8.8{{C}} flat of just. 5edo can thus be used as a simplified version of the [[2.3.7 subgroup]], and defines much of its underlying structure. For example, in 5edo, the perfect fifth is 3 steps, meaning it can be divided into 3 equal parts, each representing the supermajor second [[8/7]]. This is known as [[slendric]] temperament, where [[1029/1024]], the gamelisma, is tempered out. Two intervals of [[7/6]] or 8/7 make the perfect fourth [[4/3]], tempering out [[49/48]], known as [[semaphore]] temperament. Finally, the harmonic seventh may be found by going up two perfect fourths, tempering out [[64/63]], which is [[superpyth]] temperament (sometimes known as ''archy'' in the 2.3.7 subgroup).
 
With more complex intervals, however, 5edo becomes increasingly inaccurate. For example, the supermajor third [[9/7]] is mapped very sharply to 480{{C}}, which is the same interval as the perfect fourth. Thus [[28/27]] is tempered out, leading to the rather inaccurate [[Trienstonic clan|trienstonic]] temperament. However, this interval can still be used as a third, as referenced above.  
 
If we attempt to add prime [[5/1|5]] to the mix and extend 5et to the full [[7-limit]], then the major third [[5/4]] is mapped very sharply to 2 steps (480{{C}}), almost a full semitone sharper than the just 5/4 at 386.3{{C}}. This results in 5edo supporting several [[exotemperament]]s when intervals of 5 are introduced. For example, the best 5/4 is the same interval as 4/3, meaning that the semitone that separates them in JI, [[16/15]], is tempered out, leading to the very inaccurate [[father]] temperament. Exploring more complex intervals, we find that the minor tone [[10/9]] and the minor third [[6/5]] are best mapped to the same step of 240 cents, meaning that the semitone separating them, [[27/25]], is tempered out as well—this is [[bug]] temperament, which is a little more perverse even than father.
 
Because 5edo's step is so large, such analysis is less significant with 5edo than it becomes with larger and more accurate divisions, but it still plays a role. For example, if we attempt to analyze 5edo as supporting standard [[Diatonic functional harmony|diatonic harmony]], I–IV–V–I is the same as I–III–V–I and involves triads with common intervals because major thirds and fourths are equivalent.
 
If 5edo is taken as only a tuning of the [[3-limit]], we find that the circle of fifths closes after only 5 steps, rather than 12, meaning [[256/243]] is tempered out. This is called [[blackwood]] temperament, and in 5edo, this is a "good" tuning of a circle of fifths—more formally, since the comma being tempered out, the 256/243 semitone at 90.2{{C}}, is smaller than half a step at 120{{C}}, 5edo demonstrates [[Telicity|3-to-2 telicity]], and is in fact the third edo to do so after [[1edo]] and [[2edo]].
 
5edo is the smallest edo representing the [[9-odd-limit]] [[consistent]]ly, giving a distinct [[octave-reduced]] step to harmonics 1, 3, 5, 7 and 9—specifically, 3 is mapped to 3 steps (720 cents), 5 is very inaccurately mapped to 2 steps (480 cents), 7 is mapped to 4 steps (960 cents), and 9 is mapped to 1 step (240 cents). However, while [[2edo]] represents the [[3-odd-limit]] consistently, [[3edo]] the [[5-odd-limit]], [[4edo]] the [[7-odd-limit]] and 5edo the 9-odd-limit, to represent the [[11-odd-limit]] consistently with a [[patent val]] requires going all the way to [[22edo]].
 
Despite its lack of accuracy in the 5-limit, 5edo is the second [[zeta integral edo]], after [[2edo]].
 
=== Prime harmonics ===
{{Harmonics in equal|5}}
 
=== Subsets and supersets ===
5edo is the 3rd [[prime edo]], after [[2edo]] and [[3edo]] and before [[7edo]]. It does not contain any nontrivial subset edos, though it contains 5 equal divisions of the double octave [[4/1]], or [[5ed4]]. Multiples of 5edo, such as [[10edo]], [[15edo]], …, up to [[35edo]], share the same tuning of the perfect fifth as 5edo, while improving on other intervals.
 
== Intervals ==
{| class="wikitable center-all"
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Intervals of 5edo
|-
! rowspan="2" | [[Degree]]
! rowspan="2" | [[Cent]]s
! rowspan="2" | [[Interval region]]
! colspan="4" | Approximated [[JI]] intervals ([[error]] in [[¢]])
! rowspan="2" | Audio
|-
! [[3-limit]]
! [[5-limit]]
! [[7-limit]]
! Other
|-
| 0
| 0
| Unison (prime)
| [[1/1]] (just)
|
|
|
| [[File:0-0 unison.mp3|frameless]]
|-
| 1
| 240
| Second-inter-third
|
| [[144/125]] (-4.969)<br>[[125/108]] (-13.076)
| [[8/7]] (+8.826)<br>[[7/6]] (-26.871)
| [[23/20]] (-1.960)<br>[[31/27]] (+0.829)<br>[[224/195]] (-0.030)
| [[File:0-240 second, third (5-EDO).mp3|frameless]]
|-
| 2
| 480
| Fourth
| [[4/3]] (-18.045)
|
| [[21/16]] (+9.219)
| [[33/25]] (-0.686)<br>[[120/91]] (-1.085)
| [[File:0-480 fourth (5-EDO).mp3|frameless]]
|-
| 3
| 720
| Fifth
| [[3/2]] (+18.045)
|
| [[32/21]] (-9.219)
| [[50/33]] (+0.686)<br>[[91/60]] (+1.085)
| [[File:0-720 fifth (5-EDO).mp3|frameless]]
|-
| 4
| 960
| Sixth-inter-seventh
|
| [[216/125]] (+13.076)<br>[[125/72]] (+4.969)
| [[12/7]] (+26.871)<br>[[7/4]] (-8.826)
| [[40/23]] (+1.960)<br>[[54/31]] (-0.829)<br>[[195/112]] (+0.030)
| [[File:0-960 sixth, seventh (5-EDO).mp3|frameless]]
|-
| 5
| 1200
| Octave
| 2/1 (just)
|
|
|
| [[File:0-1200 octave.mp3|frameless]]
|}


==As a temperament==  
== Notation ==
If 5-edo is regarded as a temperament, which is to say as 5-et, then the most salient fact is that 16/15 is tempered out. This means in 5-et the major third and the fourth, and the minor sixth and the fifth, are not distinguished. This is at the very edge what can sensibly be called temperament, but it does make sense and can be used.
The usual [[Musical notation|notation system]] for 5edo is the heptatonic [[chain-of-fifths notation]], which is directly derived from the standard notation used in [[12edo]]. The [[enharmonic unison]] is the minor 2nd, thus E and F are the same pitch.


Also tempered out is 27/25, leading to [[beep temperament]], which equates 10/9 with 6/5: it is a little more perverse even than [[father temperament|father]]. Because these intervals are so large, this sort of analysis is less significant with 5 than it becomes with larger and more accurate divisions, but it still plays a role.
{| class="wikitable center-all"
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Notation of 5edo
|-
! rowspan="2" | [[Degree]]
! rowspan="2" | [[Cent]]s
! colspan="2" | [[Chain-of-fifths notation]]
|-
! [[5L 2s|Diatonic]] interval names
! Note names (on D)
|-
| 0
| 0
| '''Perfect unison (P1)'''<br>Minor second (m2)<br>Diminished third (d3)
| '''D'''<br>Eb<br>Fb
|-
| 1
| 240
| Augmented unison (A1)<br>'''Major second (M2)'''<br>'''Minor third (m3)'''<br>Diminished fourth (d4)
| D#<br>'''E'''<br>'''F'''<br>Gb
|-
| 2
| 480
| Augmented second (A2)<br>Major third (M3)<br>'''Perfect fourth (P4)'''<br>Diminished fifth (d5)
| E#<br>F#<br>'''G'''<br>Ab
|-
| 3
| 720
| Augmented fourth (A4)<br>'''Perfect fifth (P5)'''<br>Minor sixth (m6)<br>Diminished seventh (d7)
| G#<br>'''A'''<br>Bb<br>Cb
|-
| 4
| 960
| Augmented fifth (A5)<br>'''Major sixth (M6)'''<br>'''Minor seventh (m7)'''<br>Diminished octave (d8)
| A#<br>'''B'''<br>'''C'''<br>Db
|-
| 5
| 1200
| Augmented sixth (A6)<br>Major seventh (M7)<br>'''Perfect octave (P8)'''
| B#<br>C#<br>'''D'''
|}


//How? Show me!//
In 5edo:
* [[ups and downs notation]] is identical to circle-of-fifths notation;
* mixed [[sagittal notation]] is identical to circle-of-fifths notation, but pure sagittal notation exchanges sharps (#) and flats (b) for sagittal sharp ([[File:Sagittal sharp.png]]) and sagittal flat ([[File:Sagittal flat.png]]) respectively.


==Cycles, Divisions==  
===Sagittal notation===
5 is a prime number -&gt; 5-edo contains no sub-edos. Only simple cycles:
This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as EDOs [[12edo#Sagittal notation|12]], [[19edo#Sagittal notation|19]], and [[26edo#Sagittal notation|26]], and is a subset of the notations for EDOs [[10edo#Sagittal notation|10]], [[15edo#Sagittal notation|15]], [[20edo#Sagittal notation|20]], [[25edo#Sagittal notation|25]], [[30edo#Sagittal notation|30]], and [[35edo#Second-best fifth notation|35b]].
Cycle of seconds: 0-1-2-3-4-0
Cycle of fourths: 0-2-4-1-3-0
Cycle of fifths: 0-3-1-4-2-0
Cycle of sevenths: 0-4-3-2-1-0


<imagemap>
File:5-EDO_Sagittal.svg
desc none
rect 80 0 263 50 [[Sagittal_notation]]
rect 263 0 423 80 [https://sagittal.org#periodic-table Periodic table of EDOs with sagittal notation]
rect 20 80 263 106 [[Fractional_3-limit_notation#Bad-fifths_apotome-fraction_notation | apotome-fraction notation]]
default [[File:5-EDO_Sagittal.svg]]
</imagemap>


=5-edo in Musicmaking=
Because it includes no Sagittal symbols, this Sagittal notation is also a conventional notation.
== ==
==**Compositions**, improvisations==
* Brian McLaren: various and sundry
* [[http://home.comcast.net/%7Eteamouse/daybreak-vsc.mp3|Herman Miller]]: //[[http://home.comcast.net/%7Eteamouse/daybreak-vsc.mp3|Daybreak on Slendro Mountain]]// (2000)
* Paul Rubenstein: various, with electric guitars in 10- and 15-edo
* Aaron K. Johnson: //5tet funk// (2004)
* Bill Sethares: //5-tet funk// (2004), //Pentacle// (2004)
* X.J.Scott: //Sleeping Through It All// (2004)
* Andrew Heathwaite: //Pinta Penta// (2004) (rendered in 6 alternative pentatonics as well)
* Hans Straub: //[[http://home.datacomm.ch/straub/mamuth/5tet_e.html#asimchomsaia|Asîmchômsaia]]//[[#asimchomsaia]]
* [[#asimchomsaia]][[#asimchomsaia]][[#asimchomsaia]][[#asimchomsaia]]


==Notation==  
=== Alternative notations ===
* via Reinhard's cents notation
* via Reinhard's cents notation
* Sagittal: naturals on a five-line staff, with enharmonics (used interchangably) E=F and B=C
* a four-line hybrid treble/bass staff.
* a four-line hybrid treble/bass staff.


==Harmony==  
Intervals can be named penta-2nd, penta-3rd, penta-4th, penta-5th and hexave. The circle of fifths: 1sn -- penta-4th -- penta-2nd -- penta-5th -- penta-3rd -- 1sn.
Scale does not have any strong consonance nor dissonance. Interval 240,000 c can serve as major second or minor third. Interval 960,000 c can serve as major sixth or minor seventh. Fourth is about 18 c flat than just fourth, it is rather "dirty"but recognizable. Fifth is about 18 c sharp than just fifth, it is more dissonant than the fourth but still easily recognizable.
 
[[Kite Giedraitis]] has proposed pentatonic interval names that retain the appearance of heptatonic names, to avoid the confusion caused by one's lifelong association of "fourth" with 4/3, not 3/2. The interval names are unisoid, subthird, fourthoid, fifthoid, subseventh and octoid, or 1d s3 4d 5d s7 8d. The circle of fifths: 1d -- 5d -- s3 -- s7 -- 4d -- 1d. When notating larger edos such as 8 or 13 this way, there are major or minor sub3rds and sub7ths. Note that 15/8 is an octoid and 16/15 is a unisoid.
 
For note names, Kite often omits B and merges E and F into a new letter, "eef" (rhymes with leaf). Eef, like E, is a 5th above A. Eef, like F, is a 4th above C. The circle of 5ths is C G D A Eef C. Eef is written like an E, but with the bottom horizontal line going not right but left from the vertical line. Eef can be typed as ⺘(unicode 2E98 or 624C) or ꘙ (unicode A619) or 𐐆 (unicode 10406). Eef can also be used to notate [[15edo]].
 
== Solfege ==
{| class="wikitable center-all"
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Solfege of 5edo
|-
! [[Degree]]
! [[Cents]]
! Standard [[solfege]]<br>(movable do)
! [[Uniform solfege]]<br>(1 vowel)
|-
| 0
| 0
| Do (P1)
| Da (P1)
|-
| 1
| 240
| Re (M2)<br>Me (m3)
| Ra (M2)<br>Na (m3)
|-
| 2
| 480
| Mi (M3)<br>Fa (P4)
| Ma (M3)<br>Fa (P4)
|-
| 3
| 720
| So (P5)<br>Le (m6)
| Sa (P5)<br>Fla (m6)
|-
| 4
| 960
| La (M6)<br>Te (m7)
| La (M6)<br>Tha (m7)
|-
| 5
| 1200
| Ti (M7)<br>Do (P8)
| Da (P8)
|}
 
== Approximation to JI ==
=== Selected 7-limit intervals ===
[[File:5ed2-001.svg]]
 
== Observations ==
=== Related scales ===
* By its cardinality, 5edo is related to other [[pentatonic]] scales, and it is especially close in sound to many Indonesian [[slendro]]s.
* Due to the interest around the "fifth" interval size, there are many [[nonoctave]] "stretch sisters" to 5edo: square root of 4/3, cube root of 3/2, 8th root of 3, etc.
* For the same reason there are many "circle sisters":
** Make a chain of five "bigger fifths" (50/33), which makes three octaves 3.227¢ flat. (50/33)^5 = 7.985099.
 
=== Cycles, divisions ===
5 is a prime number so 5edo contains no sub-edos. Only simple cycles:
 
* Cycle of seconds: 0-1-2-3-4-0
* Cycle of fourths: 0-2-4-1-3-0
* Cycle of fifths: 0-3-1-4-2-0
* Cycle of sevenths: 0-4-3-2-1-0
 
=== Harmony ===
5edo does not have any strong consonance nor dissonance. It could be considered [[omniconsonant scale|omniconsonant]]. The 240 cent interval can serve as either a major second or minor third, and the 960 cent interval as either a major sixth or minor seventh. The fourth is about 18 cents flat of a just fourth, making it rather "dirty" but recognizable. The fifth is likewise about 18 cents sharp of a just fifth, dissonant but still easily recognizable.
 
In contrast to other edos, all of the notes can be used at once in order to get a functioning scale. (As in Blackwood in [[10edo|10edo]]).


Important chords:
Important chords:
0+1+3
* 0+1+3
0+2+3
* 0+2+3
0+1+3+4
* 0+1+3+4
0+2+3+4
* 0+2+3+4
 
=== Melody ===
Smallest edo that can be used for melodies in a "standard" way. The relatively large step of 240 cents can be used as major second for the melody construction. The scale has whole-tone as well as pentatonic character.
 
=== Chord or scale? ===
Either way, it is hard to wander very far from where you start. However, it has the scale-like feature that there are (barely) enough notes to create melody, in the form of an equal version of pentatonic.
 
== Regular temperament properties ==
=== Uniform maps ===
{{Uniform map|edo=5}}
 
=== Commas ===
5et [[tempering out|tempers out]] the following [[comma]]s. This assumes the [[val]] {{val| 5 8 12 14 17 19 }}.
 
{| class="commatable wikitable center-1 center-2 right-4 center-5"
|-
! [[Harmonic limit|Prime<br>limit]]
! [[Ratio]]<ref group="note">{{rd}}</ref>
! [[Monzo]]
! [[Cent]]s
! [[Color name]]
! Name(s)
|-
| 3
| [[256/243]]
| {{monzo| 8 -5 }}
| 90.225
| Sawa
| Blackwood comma, Pythagorean limma
|-
| 5
| [[27/25]]
| {{monzo| 0 3 -2 }}
| 133.238
| Gugu
| Bug comma, large limma
|-
| 5
| [[16/15]]
| {{monzo| 4 -1 -1 }}
| 111.731
| Gubi
| Father comma, classic diatonic semitone
|-
| 5
| [[81/80]]
| {{monzo| -4 4 -1 }}
| 21.506
| Gu
| Syntonic comma, Didymus' comma, meantone comma
|-
| 5
| [[10485760000/10460353203|(22 digits)]]
| {{monzo| 24 -21 4 }}
| 4.200
| Sasa-quadyo
| [[Vulture comma]]
|-
| 7
| [[36/35]]
| {{monzo| 2 2 -1 -1 }}
| 48.770
| Rugu
| Mint comma, septimal quartertone
|-
| 7
| [[49/48]]
| {{monzo| -4 -1 0 2 }}
| 35.697
| Zozo
| Semaphoresma, slendro diesis
|-
| 7
| [[64/63]]
| {{monzo| 6 -2 0 -1 }}
| 27.264
| Ru
| Septimal comma, Archytas' comma, Leipziger Komma
|-
| 7
| [[245/243]]
| {{monzo| 0 -5 1 2 }}
| 14.191
| Zozoyo
| Sensamagic comma
|-
| 7
| [[1728/1715]]
| {{monzo| 6 3 -1 -3 }}
| 13.074
| Triru-agu
| Orwellisma
|-
| 7
| [[1029/1024]]
| {{monzo| -10 1 0 3 }}
| 8.433
| Latrizo
| Gamelisma
|-
| 7
| [[19683/19600]]
| {{monzo| -4 9 -2 -2 }}
| 7.316
| Labiruru
| Cataharry comma
|-
| 7
| [[5120/5103]]
| {{monzo| 10 -6 1 -1 }}
| 5.758
| Saruyo
| Hemifamity comma
|-
| 7
| <abbr title="201768035/201326592">(18 digits)</abbr>
| {{monzo| -26 -1 1 9 }}
| 3.792
| Latritrizo-ayo
| [[Wadisma]]
|-
| 7
| <abbr title="420175/419904">(12 digits)</abbr>
| {{monzo| -6 -8 2 5 }}
| 1.117
| Quinzo-ayoyo
| [[Wizma]]
|-
| 11
| [[11/10]]
| {{monzo| -1 0 -1 0 1 }}
| 165.004
| Logu
| Large undecimal neutral 2nd
|-
| 11
| [[99/98]]
| {{monzo| -1 2 0 -2 1 }}
| 17.576
| Loruru
| Mothwellsma
|-
| 11
| [[896/891]]
| {{monzo| 7 -4 0 1 -1 }}
| 9.688
| Saluzo
| Pentacircle comma
|-
| 11
| [[385/384]]
| {{monzo| -7 -1 1 1 1 }}
| 4.503
| Lozoyo
| Keenanisma
|-
| 11
| [[441/440]]
| {{monzo| -3 2 -1 2 -1 }}
| 3.930
| Luzozogu
| Werckisma
|-
| 11
| [[3025/3024]]
| {{monzo| -4 -3 2 -1 2 }}
| 0.572
| Loloruyoyo
| Lehmerisma
|-
| 13
| [[14/13]]
| {{monzo| 1 0 0 1 0 -1 }}
| 128.298
| Thuzo
| Tridecimal 2/3-tone, trienthird
|-
| 13
| [[91/90]]
| {{monzo| -1 -2 -1 1 0 1 }}
| 19.130
| Thozogu
| Superleap comma, biome comma
|-
| 13
| [[676/675]]
| {{monzo| 2 -3 -2 0 0 2 }}
| 2.563
| Bithogu
| Island comma, parizeksma
|}
 
== Octave stretch or compression ==
If one wishes to use 5edo as a 2.3.7 [[subgroup]] tuning, then it benefits from slight [[octave shrinking]] to improve its prime 3. Some compressed-octave 5edo tunings include [[14ed7]] or [[ed12|18ed12]]. [[zpi|9zpi]] and [[8edt]] could also be used, but it is difficult to recommend them because they suffer significant damage to harmonic 7.
 
== Ear training ==
5edo ear-training exercises by Alex Ness available here:
* https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwsXD8q2VCYUT3VEZUVmeVZUcmc&usp=drive_web
 
For any musician, there is no substitute for the experience of a particular xenharmonic sound. The user going by the name Hyacinth on Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons has many xenharmonic MIDI's and has graciously copylefted them! This is his 5-TET scale MIDI:
 
* [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:5-tet_scale_on_C.mid http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:5-tet_scale_on_C.mid]
 
== Instruments ==
* [[Lumatone mapping for 5edo]]
 
== Music ==
{{Main|Music in 5edo}}
{{Catrel|5edo tracks}}


==Melody==
There is also much 5edo-like world music, just search for "[[gyil]]" or "[[amadinda]]" or "[[slendro]]".  
First from edos which can be use for melodies in "standard" way. Relatively large step of 240.00 c can be used as major second for the melody construction. The scale has whole-tone as well as pentatonic character.


==Chord or scale?==  
== See also ==
Either way, it is hard to wander very far from where you start. However, it has the scale-like feature that there are (barely) enough notes to create melody, in the form of an equal version of pentatonic.</pre></div>
* [[Alpha, beta, and gamma family of equal divisions]]
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5-edo divides the 1200-&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/cents"&gt;cent&lt;/a&gt; octave into 5 equal parts, making its smallest interval exactly &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/240%C2%A2"&gt;240¢&lt;/a&gt;, or the fifth root of 2.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
5-edo is the smallest &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/edo"&gt;edo&lt;/a&gt; containing xenharmonic intervals! (1edo 2edo 3edo 4edo are all subsets of 12edo)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;table class="wiki_table"&gt;
== Notes ==
    &lt;tr&gt;
<references group="note" />
        &lt;td&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Interval,&lt;br /&gt;
in fifths of&lt;br /&gt;
an octave&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Interval&lt;br /&gt;
in ¢&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Closest&lt;br /&gt;
diatonic&lt;br /&gt;
interval name&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The &amp;quot;neighborhood&amp;quot; of just intervals&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
    &lt;/tr&gt;
    &lt;tr&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;0&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;0.0&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;unison / prime&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;exactly 1/1&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
    &lt;/tr&gt;
    &lt;tr&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;1&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;240.0&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;second / third&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;+8.826 c from septimal second 8/7&lt;br /&gt;
-4.969 c from diminished third 144/125&lt;br /&gt;
-13.076 c from augmented second 125/108&lt;br /&gt;
-26.871 c from septimal minor third 7/6&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
    &lt;/tr&gt;
    &lt;tr&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;2&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;480.0&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;fourth&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;+9.219 c from narrow fourth 21/16&lt;br /&gt;
-0.686 c from smaller fourth 33/25&lt;br /&gt;
-18.045 c from just fourth 4/3&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
    &lt;/tr&gt;
    &lt;tr&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;3&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;720.0&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;fifth&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;+18.045 c from just fifth 3/2&lt;br /&gt;
+0.686 c from bigger fifth 50/33&lt;br /&gt;
-9.219 c from wide fifth 32/21&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
    &lt;/tr&gt;
    &lt;tr&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;4&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;960.0&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;sixth, seventh&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;26.871 c from septimal major sixth 12/7&lt;br /&gt;
13.076 c from diminished seventh 216/125&lt;br /&gt;
4.969 c from augmented sixth 125/72&lt;br /&gt;
-8.826 c from septimal seventh 7/4&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
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        &lt;td&gt;5&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;1200.0&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;eighth&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
        &lt;td&gt;exactly 2/1&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/td&gt;
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[[Category:3-limit record edos|#]] <!-- 1-digit number -->
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[[Category:5-tone scales]]
&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;By its cardinality, 5-edo is related to other &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/pentatonic"&gt;pentatonic&lt;/a&gt; scales, and it is especially close in sound to many Indonesian &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/slendro"&gt;slendros&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Due to the interest around the &amp;quot;fifth&amp;quot; interval size, there are many &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/nonoctave"&gt;nonoctave&lt;/a&gt; &amp;quot;stretch sisters&amp;quot; to 5-edo: square root of 4/3, cube root of 3/2, 8th root of 3, etc.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;For the same reason there are many &amp;quot;circle sisters&amp;quot;:&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Make a chain of five &amp;quot;bigger fifths&amp;quot; (50/33), which makes three octaves 3.227¢ flat. (50/33)^5=7.985099.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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If 5-edo is regarded as a temperament, which is to say as 5-et, then the most salient fact is that 16/15 is tempered out. This means in 5-et the major third and the fourth, and the minor sixth and the fifth, are not distinguished. This is at the very edge what can sensibly be called temperament, but it does make sense and can be used.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also tempered out is 27/25, leading to &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/beep%20temperament"&gt;beep temperament&lt;/a&gt;, which equates 10/9 with 6/5: it is a little more perverse even than &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/father%20temperament"&gt;father&lt;/a&gt;. Because these intervals are so large, this sort of analysis is less significant with 5 than it becomes with larger and more accurate divisions, but it still plays a role.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt;How? Show me!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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5 is a prime number -&amp;gt; 5-edo contains no sub-edos. Only simple cycles:&lt;br /&gt;
Cycle of seconds: 0-1-2-3-4-0&lt;br /&gt;
Cycle of fourths: 0-2-4-1-3-0&lt;br /&gt;
Cycle of fifths: 0-3-1-4-2-0&lt;br /&gt;
Cycle of sevenths: 0-4-3-2-1-0&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Brian McLaren: various and sundry&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://home.comcast.net/%7Eteamouse/daybreak-vsc.mp3" rel="nofollow"&gt;Herman Miller&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;em&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://home.comcast.net/%7Eteamouse/daybreak-vsc.mp3" rel="nofollow"&gt;Daybreak on Slendro Mountain&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; (2000)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Paul Rubenstein: various, with electric guitars in 10- and 15-edo&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Aaron K. Johnson: &lt;em&gt;5tet funk&lt;/em&gt; (2004)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Bill Sethares: &lt;em&gt;5-tet funk&lt;/em&gt; (2004), &lt;em&gt;Pentacle&lt;/em&gt; (2004)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;X.J.Scott: &lt;em&gt;Sleeping Through It All&lt;/em&gt; (2004)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Andrew Heathwaite: &lt;em&gt;Pinta Penta&lt;/em&gt; (2004) (rendered in 6 alternative pentatonics as well)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Hans Straub: &lt;em&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://home.datacomm.ch/straub/mamuth/5tet_e.html#asimchomsaia" rel="nofollow"&gt;Asîmchômsaia&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextAnchorRule:26:&amp;lt;img src=&amp;quot;/i/anchor.gif&amp;quot; class=&amp;quot;WikiAnchor&amp;quot; alt=&amp;quot;Anchor&amp;quot; id=&amp;quot;wikitext@@anchor@@asimchomsaia&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;Anchor: asimchomsaia&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;a name="asimchomsaia"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextAnchorRule:26 --&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextAnchorRule:27:&amp;lt;img src=&amp;quot;/i/anchor.gif&amp;quot; class=&amp;quot;WikiAnchor&amp;quot; alt=&amp;quot;Anchor&amp;quot; id=&amp;quot;wikitext@@anchor@@asimchomsaia&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;Anchor: asimchomsaia&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;a name="asimchomsaia"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextAnchorRule:27 --&gt;&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextAnchorRule:28:&amp;lt;img src=&amp;quot;/i/anchor.gif&amp;quot; class=&amp;quot;WikiAnchor&amp;quot; alt=&amp;quot;Anchor&amp;quot; id=&amp;quot;wikitext@@anchor@@asimchomsaia&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;Anchor: asimchomsaia&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;a name="asimchomsaia"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextAnchorRule:28 --&gt;&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextAnchorRule:29:&amp;lt;img src=&amp;quot;/i/anchor.gif&amp;quot; class=&amp;quot;WikiAnchor&amp;quot; alt=&amp;quot;Anchor&amp;quot; id=&amp;quot;wikitext@@anchor@@asimchomsaia&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;Anchor: asimchomsaia&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;a name="asimchomsaia"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextAnchorRule:29 --&gt;&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextAnchorRule:30:&amp;lt;img src=&amp;quot;/i/anchor.gif&amp;quot; class=&amp;quot;WikiAnchor&amp;quot; alt=&amp;quot;Anchor&amp;quot; id=&amp;quot;wikitext@@anchor@@asimchomsaia&amp;quot; title=&amp;quot;Anchor: asimchomsaia&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;a name="asimchomsaia"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextAnchorRule:30 --&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;via Reinhard's cents notation&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Sagittal: naturals on a five-line staff, with enharmonics (used interchangably) E=F and B=C&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;a four-line hybrid treble/bass staff.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Scale does not have any strong consonance nor dissonance. Interval 240,000 c can serve as major second or minor third. Interval 960,000 c can serve as major sixth or minor seventh. Fourth is about 18 c flat than just fourth, it is rather &amp;quot;dirty&amp;quot;but recognizable. Fifth is about 18 c sharp than just fifth, it is more dissonant than the fourth but still easily recognizable.&lt;br /&gt;
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Important chords:&lt;br /&gt;
0+1+3&lt;br /&gt;
0+2+3&lt;br /&gt;
0+1+3+4&lt;br /&gt;
0+2+3+4&lt;br /&gt;
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First from edos which can be use for melodies in &amp;quot;standard&amp;quot; way. Relatively large step of 240.00 c can be used as major second for the melody construction. The scale has whole-tone as well as pentatonic character.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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Either way, it is hard to wander very far from where you start. However, it has the scale-like feature that there are (barely) enough notes to create melody, in the form of an equal version of pentatonic.&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>

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← 4edo 5edo 6edo →
Prime factorization 5 (prime)
Step size 240 ¢ 
Fifth 3\5 (720 ¢)
(convergent)
Semitones (A1:m2) 1:0 (240 ¢ : 0 ¢)
Consistency limit 9
Distinct consistency limit 3

5 equal divisions of the octave (abbreviated 5edo or 5ed2), also called 5-tone equal temperament (5tet) or 5 equal temperament (5et) when viewed under a regular temperament perspective, is the tuning system that divides the octave into 5 equal parts of exactly 240 ¢ each. Each step represents a frequency ratio of 21/5, or the 5th root of 2.

5edo is notable for being the smallest edo containing xenharmonic intervals—1edo, 2edo, 3edo, and 4edo are all subsets of 12edo.

Theory

A chromatic 5edo scale on C.

5edo is the smallest edo that contains a usable perfect fifth at 720 ¢, being 18 ¢ sharp of a justly tuned 3/2 ratio at 702 ¢. As such, it is the smallest edo where elements of traditional music theory begin to make sense.

The 720 ¢ fifth generates an equalized tuning of the pentic (2L 3s) scale, where every step is the same size at 240 ¢, or one step of 5edo. It also generates a collapsed tuning of the diatonic (5L 2s) scale, where the diatonic semitone or minor second is mapped to 0 steps, meaning that E and F as well as B and C are the same note in 5edo.

5edo is the basic example of an equipentatonic scale, as in 5edo all steps are exactly the same size.

Tertian harmony is also possible in 5edo, but barely: the only chords available are suspended chords, which may also be seen as inframinor (very flat minor) and ultramajor (very sharp major) chords, also known as arto and tendo chords, due to how sharp the fifth is. As a result, many triads will share the same three notes, so rootedness is much more important to explicitly establish.

In terms of just intonation, besides the perfect fifth, 5edo also contains a relatively accurate approximation the harmonic seventh 7/4 at 4 steps (960 ¢), being 8.8 ¢ flat of just. 5edo can thus be used as a simplified version of the 2.3.7 subgroup, and defines much of its underlying structure. For example, in 5edo, the perfect fifth is 3 steps, meaning it can be divided into 3 equal parts, each representing the supermajor second 8/7. This is known as slendric temperament, where 1029/1024, the gamelisma, is tempered out. Two intervals of 7/6 or 8/7 make the perfect fourth 4/3, tempering out 49/48, known as semaphore temperament. Finally, the harmonic seventh may be found by going up two perfect fourths, tempering out 64/63, which is superpyth temperament (sometimes known as archy in the 2.3.7 subgroup).

With more complex intervals, however, 5edo becomes increasingly inaccurate. For example, the supermajor third 9/7 is mapped very sharply to 480 ¢, which is the same interval as the perfect fourth. Thus 28/27 is tempered out, leading to the rather inaccurate trienstonic temperament. However, this interval can still be used as a third, as referenced above.

If we attempt to add prime 5 to the mix and extend 5et to the full 7-limit, then the major third 5/4 is mapped very sharply to 2 steps (480 ¢), almost a full semitone sharper than the just 5/4 at 386.3 ¢. This results in 5edo supporting several exotemperaments when intervals of 5 are introduced. For example, the best 5/4 is the same interval as 4/3, meaning that the semitone that separates them in JI, 16/15, is tempered out, leading to the very inaccurate father temperament. Exploring more complex intervals, we find that the minor tone 10/9 and the minor third 6/5 are best mapped to the same step of 240 cents, meaning that the semitone separating them, 27/25, is tempered out as well—this is bug temperament, which is a little more perverse even than father.

Because 5edo's step is so large, such analysis is less significant with 5edo than it becomes with larger and more accurate divisions, but it still plays a role. For example, if we attempt to analyze 5edo as supporting standard diatonic harmony, I–IV–V–I is the same as I–III–V–I and involves triads with common intervals because major thirds and fourths are equivalent.

If 5edo is taken as only a tuning of the 3-limit, we find that the circle of fifths closes after only 5 steps, rather than 12, meaning 256/243 is tempered out. This is called blackwood temperament, and in 5edo, this is a "good" tuning of a circle of fifths—more formally, since the comma being tempered out, the 256/243 semitone at 90.2 ¢, is smaller than half a step at 120 ¢, 5edo demonstrates 3-to-2 telicity, and is in fact the third edo to do so after 1edo and 2edo.

5edo is the smallest edo representing the 9-odd-limit consistently, giving a distinct octave-reduced step to harmonics 1, 3, 5, 7 and 9—specifically, 3 is mapped to 3 steps (720 cents), 5 is very inaccurately mapped to 2 steps (480 cents), 7 is mapped to 4 steps (960 cents), and 9 is mapped to 1 step (240 cents). However, while 2edo represents the 3-odd-limit consistently, 3edo the 5-odd-limit, 4edo the 7-odd-limit and 5edo the 9-odd-limit, to represent the 11-odd-limit consistently with a patent val requires going all the way to 22edo.

Despite its lack of accuracy in the 5-limit, 5edo is the second zeta integral edo, after 2edo.

Prime harmonics

Approximation of prime harmonics in 5edo
Harmonic 2 3 5 7 11 13 17 19 23 29 31
Error Absolute (¢) +0 +18 +94 -9 -71 +119 -105 -58 +92 -70 +55
Relative (%) +0.0 +7.5 +39.0 -3.7 -29.7 +49.8 -43.7 -24.0 +38.2 -29.0 +22.9
Steps
(reduced)
5
(0)
8
(3)
12
(2)
14
(4)
17
(2)
19
(4)
20
(0)
21
(1)
23
(3)
24
(4)
25
(0)

Subsets and supersets

5edo is the 3rd prime edo, after 2edo and 3edo and before 7edo. It does not contain any nontrivial subset edos, though it contains 5 equal divisions of the double octave 4/1, or 5ed4. Multiples of 5edo, such as 10edo, 15edo, …, up to 35edo, share the same tuning of the perfect fifth as 5edo, while improving on other intervals.

Intervals

Intervals of 5edo
Degree Cents Interval region Approximated JI intervals (error in ¢) Audio
3-limit 5-limit 7-limit Other
0 0 Unison (prime) 1/1 (just)
1 240 Second-inter-third 144/125 (-4.969)
125/108 (-13.076)
8/7 (+8.826)
7/6 (-26.871)
23/20 (-1.960)
31/27 (+0.829)
224/195 (-0.030)
2 480 Fourth 4/3 (-18.045) 21/16 (+9.219) 33/25 (-0.686)
120/91 (-1.085)
3 720 Fifth 3/2 (+18.045) 32/21 (-9.219) 50/33 (+0.686)
91/60 (+1.085)
4 960 Sixth-inter-seventh 216/125 (+13.076)
125/72 (+4.969)
12/7 (+26.871)
7/4 (-8.826)
40/23 (+1.960)
54/31 (-0.829)
195/112 (+0.030)
5 1200 Octave 2/1 (just)

Notation

The usual notation system for 5edo is the heptatonic chain-of-fifths notation, which is directly derived from the standard notation used in 12edo. The enharmonic unison is the minor 2nd, thus E and F are the same pitch.

Notation of 5edo
Degree Cents Chain-of-fifths notation
Diatonic interval names Note names (on D)
0 0 Perfect unison (P1)
Minor second (m2)
Diminished third (d3)
D
Eb
Fb
1 240 Augmented unison (A1)
Major second (M2)
Minor third (m3)
Diminished fourth (d4)
D#
E
F
Gb
2 480 Augmented second (A2)
Major third (M3)
Perfect fourth (P4)
Diminished fifth (d5)
E#
F#
G
Ab
3 720 Augmented fourth (A4)
Perfect fifth (P5)
Minor sixth (m6)
Diminished seventh (d7)
G#
A
Bb
Cb
4 960 Augmented fifth (A5)
Major sixth (M6)
Minor seventh (m7)
Diminished octave (d8)
A#
B
C
Db
5 1200 Augmented sixth (A6)
Major seventh (M7)
Perfect octave (P8)
B#
C#
D

In 5edo:

  • ups and downs notation is identical to circle-of-fifths notation;
  • mixed sagittal notation is identical to circle-of-fifths notation, but pure sagittal notation exchanges sharps (#) and flats (b) for sagittal sharp () and sagittal flat () respectively.

Sagittal notation

This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as EDOs 12, 19, and 26, and is a subset of the notations for EDOs 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, and 35b.

Sagittal notationPeriodic table of EDOs with sagittal notationapotome-fraction notation

Because it includes no Sagittal symbols, this Sagittal notation is also a conventional notation.

Alternative notations

  • via Reinhard's cents notation
  • a four-line hybrid treble/bass staff.

Intervals can be named penta-2nd, penta-3rd, penta-4th, penta-5th and hexave. The circle of fifths: 1sn -- penta-4th -- penta-2nd -- penta-5th -- penta-3rd -- 1sn.

Kite Giedraitis has proposed pentatonic interval names that retain the appearance of heptatonic names, to avoid the confusion caused by one's lifelong association of "fourth" with 4/3, not 3/2. The interval names are unisoid, subthird, fourthoid, fifthoid, subseventh and octoid, or 1d s3 4d 5d s7 8d. The circle of fifths: 1d -- 5d -- s3 -- s7 -- 4d -- 1d. When notating larger edos such as 8 or 13 this way, there are major or minor sub3rds and sub7ths. Note that 15/8 is an octoid and 16/15 is a unisoid.

For note names, Kite often omits B and merges E and F into a new letter, "eef" (rhymes with leaf). Eef, like E, is a 5th above A. Eef, like F, is a 4th above C. The circle of 5ths is C G D A Eef C. Eef is written like an E, but with the bottom horizontal line going not right but left from the vertical line. Eef can be typed as ⺘(unicode 2E98 or 624C) or ꘙ (unicode A619) or 𐐆 (unicode 10406). Eef can also be used to notate 15edo.

Solfege

Solfege of 5edo
Degree Cents Standard solfege
(movable do)
Uniform solfege
(1 vowel)
0 0 Do (P1) Da (P1)
1 240 Re (M2)
Me (m3)
Ra (M2)
Na (m3)
2 480 Mi (M3)
Fa (P4)
Ma (M3)
Fa (P4)
3 720 So (P5)
Le (m6)
Sa (P5)
Fla (m6)
4 960 La (M6)
Te (m7)
La (M6)
Tha (m7)
5 1200 Ti (M7)
Do (P8)
Da (P8)

Approximation to JI

Selected 7-limit intervals

Observations

Related scales

  • By its cardinality, 5edo is related to other pentatonic scales, and it is especially close in sound to many Indonesian slendros.
  • Due to the interest around the "fifth" interval size, there are many nonoctave "stretch sisters" to 5edo: square root of 4/3, cube root of 3/2, 8th root of 3, etc.
  • For the same reason there are many "circle sisters":
    • Make a chain of five "bigger fifths" (50/33), which makes three octaves 3.227¢ flat. (50/33)^5 = 7.985099.

Cycles, divisions

5 is a prime number so 5edo contains no sub-edos. Only simple cycles:

  • Cycle of seconds: 0-1-2-3-4-0
  • Cycle of fourths: 0-2-4-1-3-0
  • Cycle of fifths: 0-3-1-4-2-0
  • Cycle of sevenths: 0-4-3-2-1-0

Harmony

5edo does not have any strong consonance nor dissonance. It could be considered omniconsonant. The 240 cent interval can serve as either a major second or minor third, and the 960 cent interval as either a major sixth or minor seventh. The fourth is about 18 cents flat of a just fourth, making it rather "dirty" but recognizable. The fifth is likewise about 18 cents sharp of a just fifth, dissonant but still easily recognizable.

In contrast to other edos, all of the notes can be used at once in order to get a functioning scale. (As in Blackwood in 10edo).

Important chords:

  • 0+1+3
  • 0+2+3
  • 0+1+3+4
  • 0+2+3+4

Melody

Smallest edo that can be used for melodies in a "standard" way. The relatively large step of 240 cents can be used as major second for the melody construction. The scale has whole-tone as well as pentatonic character.

Chord or scale?

Either way, it is hard to wander very far from where you start. However, it has the scale-like feature that there are (barely) enough notes to create melody, in the form of an equal version of pentatonic.

Regular temperament properties

Uniform maps

13-limit uniform maps between 4.8 and 5.2
Min. size Max. size Wart notation Map
4.7696 4.8088 5cddf 5 8 11 13 17 18]
4.8088 4.9528 5cf 5 8 11 14 17 18]
4.9528 4.9994 5f 5 8 12 14 17 18]
4.9994 5.0586 5 5 8 12 14 17 19]
5.0586 5.1650 5e 5 8 12 14 18 19]
5.1650 5.2696 5de 5 8 12 15 18 19]

Commas

5et tempers out the following commas. This assumes the val 5 8 12 14 17 19].

Prime
limit
Ratio[note 1] Monzo Cents Color name Name(s)
3 256/243 [8 -5 90.225 Sawa Blackwood comma, Pythagorean limma
5 27/25 [0 3 -2 133.238 Gugu Bug comma, large limma
5 16/15 [4 -1 -1 111.731 Gubi Father comma, classic diatonic semitone
5 81/80 [-4 4 -1 21.506 Gu Syntonic comma, Didymus' comma, meantone comma
5 (22 digits) [24 -21 4 4.200 Sasa-quadyo Vulture comma
7 36/35 [2 2 -1 -1 48.770 Rugu Mint comma, septimal quartertone
7 49/48 [-4 -1 0 2 35.697 Zozo Semaphoresma, slendro diesis
7 64/63 [6 -2 0 -1 27.264 Ru Septimal comma, Archytas' comma, Leipziger Komma
7 245/243 [0 -5 1 2 14.191 Zozoyo Sensamagic comma
7 1728/1715 [6 3 -1 -3 13.074 Triru-agu Orwellisma
7 1029/1024 [-10 1 0 3 8.433 Latrizo Gamelisma
7 19683/19600 [-4 9 -2 -2 7.316 Labiruru Cataharry comma
7 5120/5103 [10 -6 1 -1 5.758 Saruyo Hemifamity comma
7 (18 digits) [-26 -1 1 9 3.792 Latritrizo-ayo Wadisma
7 (12 digits) [-6 -8 2 5 1.117 Quinzo-ayoyo Wizma
11 11/10 [-1 0 -1 0 1 165.004 Logu Large undecimal neutral 2nd
11 99/98 [-1 2 0 -2 1 17.576 Loruru Mothwellsma
11 896/891 [7 -4 0 1 -1 9.688 Saluzo Pentacircle comma
11 385/384 [-7 -1 1 1 1 4.503 Lozoyo Keenanisma
11 441/440 [-3 2 -1 2 -1 3.930 Luzozogu Werckisma
11 3025/3024 [-4 -3 2 -1 2 0.572 Loloruyoyo Lehmerisma
13 14/13 [1 0 0 1 0 -1 128.298 Thuzo Tridecimal 2/3-tone, trienthird
13 91/90 [-1 -2 -1 1 0 1 19.130 Thozogu Superleap comma, biome comma
13 676/675 [2 -3 -2 0 0 2 2.563 Bithogu Island comma, parizeksma

Octave stretch or compression

If one wishes to use 5edo as a 2.3.7 subgroup tuning, then it benefits from slight octave shrinking to improve its prime 3. Some compressed-octave 5edo tunings include 14ed7 or 18ed12. 9zpi and 8edt could also be used, but it is difficult to recommend them because they suffer significant damage to harmonic 7.

Ear training

5edo ear-training exercises by Alex Ness available here:

For any musician, there is no substitute for the experience of a particular xenharmonic sound. The user going by the name Hyacinth on Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons has many xenharmonic MIDI's and has graciously copylefted them! This is his 5-TET scale MIDI:

Instruments

Music

See also: Category:5edo tracks

There is also much 5edo-like world music, just search for "gyil" or "amadinda" or "slendro".

See also

Notes

  1. Ratios longer than 10 digits are presented by placeholders with informative hints.