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'''1225/1224''', the '''noellisma''', is a [[17-limit]] (also 2.3.5.7.17 subgroup) [[comma]] measuring about 1.41 [[cent]]s. It is the difference between [[35/34]] and [[36/35]], and between [[49/48]] and [[51/50]].  
'''1225/1224''', the '''noellisma''', is an [[unnoticeable comma|unnoticeable]] [[17-limit]] (also 2.3.5.7.17-[[subgroup]]) [[comma]] measuring about 1.41 [[cent]]s. It is the amount by which a stack of two [[7/6]] subminor thirds exceeds [[34/25]], and the amount by which a stack of two [[35/24]] subfifths exceeds [[17/8]], one octave above [[17/16]]. It is also the difference between [[35/34]] and [[36/35]], and between [[49/48]] and [[51/50]].  


== Commatic relations ==
== Commatic relations ==
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== Temperaments ==
== Temperaments ==
Tempering out this comma in the 17-limit results in the rank-6 '''noellismic temperament''', or in the 2.3.5.7.17 subgroup, the rank-4 '''noellic temperament'''. In either case [[18/17]] is split into two equal parts, each representing 35/34~36/35. You may find a list of good equal temperaments that support these temperaments below.  
[[Tempering out]] this comma in the 17-limit results in the rank-6 '''noellismic''' temperament, or in the 2.3.5.7.17 subgroup, the rank-4 '''noellic''' temperament. In either case [[18/17]] is split into two equal parts, each representing 35/34~36/35. You may find a list of good equal temperaments that support these temperaments below.  


=== Noellic ===
=== Noellic ===
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{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 0 0 -3 | 0 1 0 0 -2 | 0 0 1 0 2 | 0 0 0 1 2 }}
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 0 0 -3 | 0 1 0 0 -2 | 0 0 1 0 2 | 0 0 0 1 2 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5, ~7


: sval mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5, ~7
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.0440{{c}}, ~5/4 = 386.1228{{c}}, ~7/4 = 968.5468{{c}}
 
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 702.0440, ~5/4 = 386.1228, ~7/4 = 968.5468


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 19g, 22, 27g, 31, 41g, 46, 53, 68, 72, 99, 171, 581, 653, 752, 824, 995, 1576, 1747, 1918d }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 19g, 22, 27g, 31, 41g, 46, 53, 68, 72, 99, 171, 581, 653, 752, 824, 995, 1576, 1747, 1918d }}
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| ⟨ || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 1 || 0 || ]]
| ⟨ || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 1 || 0 || ]]
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: mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5, ~7, ~11, ~13
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5, ~7, ~11, ~13


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 702.0440, ~5/4 = 386.1228, ~7/4 = 968.5468, ~11/8 = 551.3179, ~13/8 = 840.5277
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.0440{{c}}, ~5/4 = 386.1228{{c}}, ~7/4 = 968.5468{{c}}, ~11/8 = 551.3179{{c}}, ~13/8 = 840.5277{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 19eg, 22, 26, 27eg, 31, 41g, 45efg, 46, 68, 72, 103, 121, 140, 171, 190g, 212g, 217, 224, 270, 311, 414, 441, 460, 581, 995, 1265, 1648cd, 1846g, 1918d }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 19eg, 22, 26, 27eg, 31, 41g, 45efg, 46, 68, 72, 103, 121, 140, 171, 190g, 212g, 217, 224, 270, 311, 414, 441, 460, 581, 995, 1265, 1648cd, 1846g, 1918d }}
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== See also ==
== See also ==
* [[Unnoticeable comma]]
* [[List of superparticular intervals]]
* [[List of superparticular intervals]]


[[Category:Noellismic]]
[[Category:Noellismic]]
[[Category:Commas referencing a famous use of a number]]
[[Category:Commas referencing a famous use of a number]]

Revision as of 10:13, 25 March 2026

Interval information
Ratio 1225/1224
Factorization 2-3 × 3-2 × 52 × 72 × 17-1
Monzo [-3 -2 2 2 0 0 -1
Size in cents 1.413829¢
Name noellisma
Color name 17uzzyy1, subizoyo 1sn,
Subizoyo comma
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{A1}^{5,5,7,7}_{17} }[/math]
Special properties square superparticular,
reduced
Tenney norm (log2 nd) 20.516
Weil norm (log2 max(n, d)) 20.5171
Wilson norm (sopfr(nd)) 53
Comma size unnoticeable
S-expressions S35,
S49⋅S50
Open this interval in xen-calc

1225/1224, the noellisma, is an unnoticeable 17-limit (also 2.3.5.7.17-subgroup) comma measuring about 1.41 cents. It is the amount by which a stack of two 7/6 subminor thirds exceeds 34/25, and the amount by which a stack of two 35/24 subfifths exceeds 17/8, one octave above 17/16. It is also the difference between 35/34 and 36/35, and between 49/48 and 51/50.

Commatic relations

This comma is the difference between the following superparticular pairs:

It factors into the following superparticular pairs:

Temperaments

Tempering out this comma in the 17-limit results in the rank-6 noellismic temperament, or in the 2.3.5.7.17 subgroup, the rank-4 noellic temperament. In either case 18/17 is split into two equal parts, each representing 35/34~36/35. You may find a list of good equal temperaments that support these temperaments below.

Noellic

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.17

Subgroup-val mapping[1 0 0 0 -3], 0 1 0 0 -2], 0 0 1 0 2], 0 0 0 1 2]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5, ~7

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~3/2 = 702.0440 ¢, ~5/4 = 386.1228 ¢, ~7/4 = 968.5468 ¢

Optimal ET sequence19g, 22, 27g, 31, 41g, 46, 53, 68, 72, 99, 171, 581, 653, 752, 824, 995, 1576, 1747, 1918d

Noellismic

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17

Mapping:

[⟨ 1 0 0 0 0 0 -3 ],
0 1 0 0 0 0 -2 ],
0 0 1 0 0 0 2 ],
0 0 0 1 0 0 2 ],
0 0 0 0 1 0 0 ],
0 0 0 0 0 1 0 ]]
mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5, ~7, ~11, ~13

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~3/2 = 702.0440 ¢, ~5/4 = 386.1228 ¢, ~7/4 = 968.5468 ¢, ~11/8 = 551.3179 ¢, ~13/8 = 840.5277 ¢

Optimal ET sequence19eg, 22, 26, 27eg, 31, 41g, 45efg, 46, 68, 72, 103, 121, 140, 171, 190g, 212g, 217, 224, 270, 311, 414, 441, 460, 581, 995, 1265, 1648cd, 1846g, 1918d

Etymology

The noellisma was named by Flora Canou in 2022. The name derives from Noel, for the numerator or the denominator, when written in decimal system, is reminiscent of the date of Christmas.

See also