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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">In [[11-limit]] [[Just Intonation]], 14/11 is a supermajor third of about 417.5¢. It represents the difference between the 11th and 14th overtones of the [[OverToneSeries|harmonic series]] and appears in chords such as 8:11:14, the principal triad of [[Orgonia|Orgone]] temperament. 14/11 can also function as a [[Neo-Gothic]] major third, as it falls between [[5_4|5/4]] and [[9_7|9/7]]. Indeed, it is the [[mediant]] ratio between those simpler intervals, as it is (5+9)/(4+7). Other relatively simple thirds in this region can be generated by taking the mediant between 5/4 and 14/11 (which is (5+14)/(4+11) = [[19_15|19/15]], about 409.2¢) and between 14/11 and 9/7 (which is (14+9)/(11+7) = [[23_18|23/18]], about 424.4¢. Also in this region is the Pythagorean ([[3-limit]]) major third of [[81_64|81/64]] (about 407.8¢), which can be generated by stacking four [[3_2|3/2]] perfect fifths and [[octave-reduce|octave-reducing]].


See: [[Gallery of Just Intervals|Gallery of Just Intonation Intervals]], [[gentle chords]], [[List of root-3rd-P5 triads in JI]], [[http://dkeenan.com/Music/NobleMediant.txt|The Noble Mediant]]</pre></div>
In [[11-limit]] [[just intonation]], '''14/11''' is an '''undecimal major third''', specifically the '''pentacircle major third''', a major or supermajor third of about 417.5 [[cent]]s. It represents the difference between the 11th and 14th harmonics of the [[harmonic series]].
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;14_11&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;In &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/11-limit"&gt;11-limit&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Just%20Intonation"&gt;Just Intonation&lt;/a&gt;, 14/11 is a supermajor third of about 417.. It represents the difference between the 11th and 14th overtones of the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/OverToneSeries"&gt;harmonic series&lt;/a&gt; and appears in chords such as 8:11:14, the principal triad of &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Orgonia"&gt;Orgone&lt;/a&gt; temperament. 14/11 can also function as a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Neo-Gothic"&gt;Neo-Gothic&lt;/a&gt; major third, as it falls between &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/5_4"&gt;5/4&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/9_7"&gt;9/7&lt;/a&gt;. Indeed, it is the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/mediant"&gt;mediant&lt;/a&gt; ratio between those simpler intervals, as it is (5+9)/(4+7). Other relatively simple thirds in this region can be generated by taking the mediant between 5/4 and 14/11 (which is (5+14)/(4+11) = &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/19_15"&gt;19/15&lt;/a&gt;, about 409.) and between 14/11 and 9/7 (which is (14+9)/(11+7) = &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/23_18"&gt;23/18&lt;/a&gt;, about 424.. Also in this region is the Pythagorean (&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/3-limit"&gt;3-limit&lt;/a&gt;) major third of &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/81_64"&gt;81/64&lt;/a&gt; (about 407.8¢), which can be generated by stacking four &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/3_2"&gt;3/2&lt;/a&gt; perfect fifths and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/octave-reduce"&gt;octave-reducing&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
In many notation systems based on the [[5L 2s|diatonic]] [[chain-of-fifths notation]] with commatic alterations (e.g. [[FJS]], [[HEJI]]), it is an imperfect fourth, as it is a [[4/3|perfect fourth (4/3)]] minus an instance of [[22/21]], which is a stack consisting of an [[33/32|undecimal quartertone (33/32)]] and a [[64/63|septimal comma (64/63)]], neither of which changes the [[scale|scale degree]] or [[interval quality|quality]]. It functions as such in voicings of the harmonic eleventh chord, [[4:5:6:7:9:11]].
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See: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Gallery%20of%20Just%20Intervals"&gt;Gallery of Just Intonation Intervals&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/gentle%20chords"&gt;gentle chords&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/List%20of%20root-3rd-P5%20triads%20in%20JI"&gt;List of root-3rd-P5 triads in JI&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://dkeenan.com/Music/NobleMediant.txt" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Noble Mediant&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>
However, it is only sharp of the Pythagorean ([[3-limit]]) major third of [[81/64]] (about 407.8{{c}}) by a [[896/891|pentacircle comma (896/891)]], which makes it function sometimes as a major third, hence the names. Indeed, 14/11 is the simplest [[neogothic major and minor|neogothic major third]]. It falls between [[5/4]] and [[9/7]], and is the [[mediant]] ratio between those simpler intervals, as it is (5 + 9)/(4 + 7). It is [[56/55]] sharp of [[5/4]], and [[99/98]] flat of [[9/7]]. As such, it is used to form the gentle major triad, [[22:28:33]]<ref group="note">This is a [[minor minthmic chords|minor minthmic chord]] where 14/11 and [[13/11]] sum to a perfect fifth. Shown here is the simplest JI representation. </ref>. Compare this to 22:28:32 ([[11:14:16]]), which has the much more dissonant [[16/11]] as the outside interval in place of [[3/2]]; 11:14:16 can be voiced as 8:11:14 however, which is less dissonant. Other relatively simple thirds in this region can be generated by taking the mediant between 5/4 and 14/11 (which is (5 + 14)/(4 + 11) = [[19/15]], about 409.2{{c}}) and between 14/11 and 9/7 (which is (14 + 9)/(11 + 7) = [[23/18]], about 424.4{{c}}). The fact that 14/11 functions as a type of third is one of the reasons why [[7/4]], the octave reduced version of the 14th harmonic, can be argued to be a type of "sinth" – a cross between a sixth and a seventh – as opposed to merely a subminor seventh.
 
== Approximation ==
{{Interval edo approximation|14/11}}
 
== See also ==
* [[11/7]] – its [[octave complement]]
* [[33/28]] – its [[fifth complement]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
* [[Gentle chords]]
* [[List of root-3rd-P5 triads in JI]]
 
== External links ==
* [http://dkeenan.com/Music/NobleMediant.txt ''The Noble Mediant''] by Margo Schulter and David Keenan
 
== Notes ==
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[[Category:Third]]
[[Category:Major third]]
[[Category:Supermajor third]]
[[Category:Over-11 intervals]]
[[Category:Pentacircle]]
[[Category:Gentle]]
[[Category:Neo-gothic]]