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Using the [[patent val]], 51et [[tempering out|tempers out]] [[250/243]] in the [[5-limit]], [[225/224]] and [[2401/2400]] in the [[7-limit]], and [[55/54]] and [[100/99]] in the [[11-limit]]. It is the [[optimal patent val]] for [[sonic]], the rank-3 temperament tempering out 55/54, 100/99, and 250/243, and also for the rank-4 temperament tempering out 55/54. It provides an alternative tuning to [[22edo]] for [[porcupine]], with a nice fifth but a rather flat major third, and the optimal patent val for the 7- and 11-limit [[porky]] temperament, which is sonic plus 225/224. It contains an archeotonic ([[6L 1s]]) scale based on repetitions of 8\51, creating a scale with a whole-tone-like drive towards the tonic through the 17edo semitone at the top. | Using the [[patent val]], 51et [[tempering out|tempers out]] [[250/243]] in the [[5-limit]], [[225/224]] and [[2401/2400]] in the [[7-limit]], and [[55/54]] and [[100/99]] in the [[11-limit]]. It is the [[optimal patent val]] for [[sonic]], the rank-3 temperament tempering out 55/54, 100/99, and 250/243, and also for the rank-4 temperament tempering out 55/54. It provides an alternative tuning to [[22edo]] for [[porcupine]], with a nice fifth but a rather flat major third, and the optimal patent val for the 7- and 11-limit [[porky]] temperament, which is sonic plus 225/224. It contains an archeotonic ([[6L 1s]]) scale based on repetitions of 8\51, creating a scale with a whole-tone-like drive towards the tonic through the 17edo semitone at the top. | ||
Using the 51c val {{val| 51 81 '''119''' 143 }}, the [[5/4]] is mapped to 1\3 (400 cents), [[support]]ing [[augmented (temperament)|augmented]]. In the 7-limit it tempers out [[245/243]] and supports [[hemiaug]] and [[rodan]]. Alternatively, the 51cd val {{val| 51 81 '''119''' '''144''' }} takes the same [[7/4]] from 17edo, and supports [[augene]]. The 51ce val {{val| 51 81 '''119''' 143 '''177''' 189 }} supports a variant of rodan called [[aerodino]]. | Using the 51c val {{val| 51 81 '''119''' 143 }}, the [[5/4]] is mapped to 1\3 (400 cents), [[support]]ing [[augmented (temperament)|augmented]]. In the 7-limit it tempers out [[245/243]] and supports [[hemiaug]] and [[rodan]]. Alternatively, the 51cd val {{val| 51 81 '''119''' '''144''' }} takes the same [[7/4]] from 17edo, and supports [[augene]]. The 51ce val {{val| 51 81 '''119''' 143 '''177''' 189 }} supports a variant of rodan called [[Gamelismic_clan#Aerodino|aerodino]]. | ||
51edo's step is the closest direct approximation to the [[Pythagorean comma]] by | 51edo's step is the closest direct approximation to the [[Pythagorean comma]] by edosteps, though that comma itself is mapped to a different interval. | ||
=== Odd harmonics === | === Odd harmonics === | ||
{{Harmonics in equal|51}} | {{Harmonics in equal|51|intervals=odd|prec=2|columns=14}} | ||
{{Harmonics in equal|51|intervals=odd|columns=14|prec=2|start=15|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of odd harmonics in 51edo (continued)}} | |||
=== Subsets and supersets === | === Subsets and supersets === | ||
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== Intervals == | == Intervals == | ||
{| class="wikitable center- | {| class="wikitable center-1 right-2 center-6 center-7 center-8" | ||
|- | |- | ||
! # | ! rowspan="2" | # | ||
! [[Cent]]s | ! rowspan="2" | [[Cent]]s | ||
! Approximate ratios* | ! colspan="3" | Approximate ratios* | ||
! | ! rowspan="2" colspan="3" | [[Ups and downs notation]] | ||
! | |- | ||
! 2.3.7.11/5.13<br>subgroup | |||
! Ratios of 5 and 11<br>tending flat (51 val) | |||
! Ratios of 5 and 11<br>tending sharp (51ce val) | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 0 | | 0 | ||
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| 23.5 | | 23.5 | ||
| [[64/63]], ''[[49/48]]'' | | [[64/63]], ''[[49/48]]'' | ||
| | | ''40/39'' | ||
|[[81/80]] | | [[81/80]] | ||
| Up 1sn | | Up 1sn | ||
| ^1 | | ^1 | ||
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| 47.1 | | 47.1 | ||
| ''[[28/27]]'' | | ''[[28/27]]'' | ||
| | | [[33/32]], ''25/24'', ''81/80'' | ||
| | | [[36/35]], [[40/39]] | ||
| Downminor 2nd | | Downminor 2nd | ||
| vm2 | | vm2 | ||
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| 70.6 | | 70.6 | ||
| [[27/26]] | | [[27/26]] | ||
| | | ''36/35'' | ||
| | | ''21/20'', ''33/32'' | ||
| Minor 2nd | | Minor 2nd | ||
| m2 | | m2 | ||
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| 94.1 | | 94.1 | ||
| | | | ||
|[[ | | [[21/20]] | ||
| | | ''16/15'', ''25/24'' | ||
| Upminor 2nd | | Upminor 2nd | ||
| ^m2 | | ^m2 | ||
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| 117.6 | | 117.6 | ||
| [[14/13]] | | [[14/13]] | ||
|[[16/15]] | | [[15/14]], [[16/15]] | ||
| | | | ||
| Downmid 2nd | | Downmid 2nd | ||
| v~2 | | v~2 | ||
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| [[13/12]] | | [[13/12]] | ||
| | | | ||
|[[12/11]] | | [[12/11]], ''15/14'' | ||
| Mid 2nd | | Mid 2nd | ||
| ~2 | | ~2 | ||
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| 7 | | 7 | ||
| 164.7 | | 164.7 | ||
| [[11/10]] | |||
|[[11/10]] | | ''10/9'', ''12/11'' | ||
|11 | | | ||
| Upmid 2nd | | Upmid 2nd | ||
| ^~2 | | ^~2 | ||
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| | | | ||
| | | | ||
| | | [[10/9]] | ||
| Downmajor 2nd | | Downmajor 2nd | ||
| vM2 | | vM2 | ||
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| 235.3 | | 235.3 | ||
| [[8/7]] | | [[8/7]] | ||
| | | ''15/13'' | ||
| | | | ||
| Upmajor 2nd | | Upmajor 2nd | ||
| ^M2 | | ^M2 | ||
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| 258.8 | | 258.8 | ||
| [[7/6]] | | [[7/6]] | ||
| | | | ||
| | | [[15/13]] | ||
| Downminor 3rd | | Downminor 3rd | ||
| vm3 | | vm3 | ||
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| ''[[32/27]]'' | | ''[[32/27]]'' | ||
| | | | ||
|[[13/11]] | | [[13/11]] | ||
| Minor 3rd | | Minor 3rd | ||
| m3 | | m3 | ||
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| 305.9 | | 305.9 | ||
| | | | ||
| | | ''13/11'' | ||
|[[6/5]] | | [[6/5]] | ||
| Upminor 3rd | | Upminor 3rd | ||
| ^m3 | | ^m3 | ||
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| 14 | | 14 | ||
| 329.4 | | 329.4 | ||
| [[40/33]], [[63/52]] | |||
|[[40/33]] | | ''6/5'', ''11/9'' | ||
| | | | ||
| Downmid 3rd | | Downmid 3rd | ||
| v~3 | | v~3 | ||
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| 352.9 | | 352.9 | ||
| [[16/13]], [[39/32]] | | [[16/13]], [[39/32]] | ||
| | | | ||
| | | [[11/9]], [[27/22]] | ||
| Mid 3rd | | Mid 3rd | ||
| ~3 | | ~3 | ||
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| 376.5 | | 376.5 | ||
| [[26/21]] | | [[26/21]] | ||
|[[5/4]] | | [[5/4]], ''27/22'' | ||
| | | | ||
| Upmid 3rd | | Upmid 3rd | ||
| ^~3 | | ^~3 | ||
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| 400.0 | | 400.0 | ||
| | | | ||
| | | | ||
|''5/4'' | | ''5/4'', ''14/11'' | ||
| Downmajor 3rd | | Downmajor 3rd | ||
| vM3 | | vM3 | ||
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| 423.5 | | 423.5 | ||
| ''[[81/64]]'' | | ''[[81/64]]'' | ||
| | | [[14/11]] | ||
| | | | ||
| Major 3rd | | Major 3rd | ||
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| ''[[9/7]]'' | | ''[[9/7]]'' | ||
| | | | ||
| | | [[13/10]] | ||
| Upmajor 3rd | | Upmajor 3rd | ||
| ^M3 | | ^M3 | ||
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| 470.6 | | 470.6 | ||
| [[21/16]] | | [[21/16]] | ||
| | | ''13/10'' | ||
| | | | ||
| Down 4th | | Down 4th | ||
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| | | | ||
| | | | ||
| | | [[27/20]] | ||
| Up 4th | | Up 4th | ||
| ^4 | | ^4 | ||
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| 23 | | 23 | ||
| 541.2 | | 541.2 | ||
| | | [[15/11]] | ||
|[[11/8]], | | [[11/8]], ''27/20'' | ||
| | | | ||
| Downdim 5th | | Downdim 5th | ||
| vd5 | | vd5 | ||
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| [[18/13]] | | [[18/13]] | ||
| | | | ||
|''11/8'' | | ''7/5'', ''11/8'' | ||
| Dim 5th | | Dim 5th | ||
| d5 | | d5 | ||
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| 588.2 | | 588.2 | ||
| [[39/28]] | | [[39/28]] | ||
| | | [[7/5]] | ||
| | | | ||
| Updim 5th | | Updim 5th | ||
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| 611.8 | | 611.8 | ||
| [[56/39]] | | [[56/39]] | ||
| | | [[10/7]] | ||
| | | | ||
| Downaug 4th | | Downaug 4th | ||
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| [[13/9]] | | [[13/9]] | ||
| | | | ||
|''16/11'' | | ''10/7'', ''16/11'' | ||
| Aug 4th | | Aug 4th | ||
| A4 | | A4 | ||
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| 28 | | 28 | ||
| 658.8 | | 658.8 | ||
| | | [[22/15]] | ||
|[[16/11]], | | [[16/11]], ''40/27'' | ||
| | | | ||
| Upaug 4th | | Upaug 4th | ||
| ^A4 | | ^A4 | ||
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| | | | ||
| | | | ||
| | | [[40/27]] | ||
| Down 5th | | Down 5th | ||
| v5 | | v5 | ||
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| 729.4 | | 729.4 | ||
| [[32/21]] | | [[32/21]] | ||
| | | ''20/13'' | ||
| | | | ||
| Up 5th | | Up 5th | ||
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| ''[[14/9]]'' | | ''[[14/9]]'' | ||
| | | | ||
| | | [[20/13]] | ||
| Downminor 6th | | Downminor 6th | ||
| vm6 | | vm6 | ||
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| 776.5 | | 776.5 | ||
| ''[[128/81]]'' | | ''[[128/81]]'' | ||
| | | [[11/7]] | ||
| | | | ||
| Minor 6th | | Minor 6th | ||
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| | | | ||
| | | | ||
|''8/5'' | | ''8/5'', ''11/7'' | ||
| Upminor 6th | | Upminor 6th | ||
| ^m6 | | ^m6 | ||
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| 823.5 | | 823.5 | ||
| [[21/13]] | | [[21/13]] | ||
|[[8/5]] | | [[8/5]], ''44/27'' | ||
| | | | ||
| Downmid 6th | | Downmid 6th | ||
| v~6 | | v~6 | ||
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| 847.1 | | 847.1 | ||
| [[13/8]], [[64/39]] | | [[13/8]], [[64/39]] | ||
| | | | ||
| | | [[18/11]], [[44/27]] | ||
| Mid 6th | | Mid 6th | ||
| ~6 | | ~6 | ||
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| 37 | | 37 | ||
| 870.6 | | 870.6 | ||
| [[33/20]], [[104/63]] | |||
|[[33/20]] | | ''5/3'', ''18/11'' | ||
| | | | ||
| Upmid 6th | | Upmid 6th | ||
| ^~6 | | ^~6 | ||
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| 894.1 | | 894.1 | ||
| | | | ||
| | | ''22/13'' | ||
|[[5/3]] | | [[5/3]] | ||
| Downmajor 6th | | Downmajor 6th | ||
| vM6 | | vM6 | ||
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| ''[[27/16]]'' | | ''[[27/16]]'' | ||
| | | | ||
|[[22/13]] | | [[22/13]] | ||
| Major 6th | | Major 6th | ||
| M6 | | M6 | ||
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| 941.2 | | 941.2 | ||
| [[12/7]] | | [[12/7]] | ||
| | | | ||
| | | [[26/15]] | ||
| Upmajor 6th | | Upmajor 6th | ||
| ^M6 | | ^M6 | ||
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| 964.7 | | 964.7 | ||
| [[7/4]] | | [[7/4]] | ||
| | | ''26/15'' | ||
| | | | ||
| Downminor 7th | | Downminor 7th | ||
| vm7 | | vm7 | ||
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| | | | ||
| | | | ||
| | | [[9/5]] | ||
| Upminor 7th | | Upminor 7th | ||
| ^m7 | | ^m7 | ||
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| 44 | | 44 | ||
| 1035.3 | | 1035.3 | ||
| [[20/11]] | |||
|[[20/11]] | | | ||
| | | ''9/5'', ''11/6'' | ||
| Downmid 7th | | Downmid 7th | ||
| v~7 | | v~7 | ||
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| [[24/13]] | | [[24/13]] | ||
| | | | ||
|[[11/6]] | | [[11/6]], ''28/15'' | ||
| Mid 7th | | Mid 7th | ||
| ~7 | | ~7 | ||
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| 1082.4 | | 1082.4 | ||
| [[13/7]] | | [[13/7]] | ||
|[[15/8]] | | [[15/8]], [[28/15]] | ||
| | | | ||
| Upmid 7th | | Upmid 7th | ||
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| 1105.9 | | 1105.9 | ||
| | | | ||
|[[ | | [[40/21]] | ||
| | | ''15/8'', ''48/25'' | ||
| Downmajor 7th | | Downmajor 7th | ||
| vM7 | | vM7 | ||
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| 1129.4 | | 1129.4 | ||
| [[52/27]] | | [[52/27]] | ||
| | | ''35/18'' | ||
| | | ''40/21'', ''64/33'' | ||
| Major 7th | | Major 7th | ||
| M7 | | M7 | ||
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| 1152.9 | | 1152.9 | ||
| ''[[27/14]]'' | | ''[[27/14]]'' | ||
| | | [[64/33]], ''48/25'', ''160/81'' | ||
| | | [[35/18]], [[39/20]] | ||
| Upmajor 7th | | Upmajor 7th | ||
| ^M7 | | ^M7 | ||
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| 1176.5 | | 1176.5 | ||
| [[63/32]], ''[[96/49]]'' | | [[63/32]], ''[[96/49]]'' | ||
| | | ''39/20'' | ||
|[[160/81]] | | [[160/81]] | ||
| Down 8ve | | Down 8ve | ||
| v8 | | v8 | ||
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| D | | D | ||
|} | |} | ||
<nowiki>*</nowiki> | <nowiki>*</nowiki> inconsistent intervals in italic. | ||
== Notation == | == Notation == | ||
=== | === Stein–Zimmermann–Gould notation === | ||
51edo can be notated with ups and downs, spoken as up, dup, trup, dudsharp, downsharp, sharp, upsharp etc. and down, dud, trud, dupflat etc. | [[Stein–Zimmermann–Gould notation]] for 51edo uses sharps and flats combined with quartertone accidentals and arrows: | ||
{{Sharpness-sharp6-szg}} | |||
If double arrows are not desirable, then arrows can be attached to quartertone accidentals: | |||
{{Sharpness-sharp6-qt-szg}} | |||
=== Kite's ups and downs notation === | |||
51edo can also be notated with [[Kite's ups and downs notation|Kite's ups and downs]], spoken as up, dup, trup, dudsharp, downsharp, sharp, upsharp etc. and down, dud, trud, dupflat etc. | |||
{{Sharpness-sharp6a}} | {{Sharpness-sharp6a}} | ||
Half-sharps and half-flats can be used to avoid triple arrows: | Half-sharps and half-flats can be used to avoid triple arrows: | ||
{{Sharpness-sharp6b}} | {{Sharpness-sharp6b}} | ||
=== Ivan Wyschnegradsky's notation === | === Ivan Wyschnegradsky's notation === | ||
Since a sharp raises by six steps, Wyschnegradsky accidentals borrowed from [[72edo]] can also be used: | Since a sharp raises by six steps, Wyschnegradsky accidentals borrowed from [[72edo]] can also be used: | ||
{{Sharpness-sharp6-iw}} | {{Sharpness-sharp6-iw}} | ||
=== Sagittal notation === | === Sagittal notation === | ||
In the following diagrams, a sagittal symbol followed by an equals sign (=) means that the following comma is the symbol's [[Sagittal notation#Primary comma|primary comma]] (the comma it ''exactly'' represents in JI), while an approximately equals sign (≈) means it is a secondary comma (a comma it ''approximately'' represents in JI). In both cases the symbol exactly represents the tempered version of the comma in this edo. | In the following diagrams, a sagittal symbol followed by an equals sign (=) means that the following comma is the symbol's [[Sagittal notation #Primary comma|primary comma]] (the comma it ''exactly'' represents in JI), while an approximately equals sign (≈) means it is a secondary comma (a comma it ''approximately'' represents in JI). In both cases the symbol exactly represents the tempered version of the comma in this edo. | ||
==== Evo flavor ==== | ==== Evo flavor ==== | ||
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| 117.6 | | 117.6 | ||
| 15/14 | | 15/14 | ||
| [[Miracle]] (51e, out of tune | | [[Miracle]] (51e, out of tune) | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
| Line 644: | Line 645: | ||
| 235.3 | | 235.3 | ||
| 8/7 | | 8/7 | ||
| [[Rodan]] ( | | [[Rodan]] (51cf, out of tune) / aerodino (51ce) | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
| | | 19\51 | ||
| 447.1 | |||
| 13/10 | |||
| [[Supersensi]] (51cde) | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 22\51 | |||
| 517.6 | |||
| 27/20 | |||
| [[Gravity]] (51ce) / [[abergravity]] (51ce) | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 23\51 | |||
| 541.2 | | 541.2 | ||
| 15/11 | | 15/11 | ||
| [[Necromanteion]] (51ce) | | [[Necromanteion]] (51ce)<br>[[Oracle]] (51)<br>[[Cypress]] (51cde…) | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 3 | | 3 | ||
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| rowspan="2" | 494.1<br>(94.1) | | rowspan="2" | 494.1<br>(94.1) | ||
| 4/3<br>(16/15) | | 4/3<br>(16/15) | ||
| [[Augmented (temperament)|Augmented]] ( | | [[Augmented (temperament)|Augmented]] (7-limit, 51cd) | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align: center;" | 4/3<br>(21/20) | | style="text-align: center;" | 4/3<br>(21/20) | ||
| style="text-align: left;" | [[Fog]] (51) | | style="text-align: left;" | [[Fog]] (51) | ||
|} | |} | ||
<nowiki/>* [[Normal forms|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[normal forms|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct | <nowiki/>* [[Normal forms #Equave-reduced-generator form|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[normal forms #Minimal-generator form|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct | ||
== Scales == | == Scales == | ||
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== Music == | == Music == | ||
; [[Bryan Deister]] | ; [[Bryan Deister]] | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sySLQUXnQ70 ''Preludio Sentimentale (microtonal improvisation in 28edo)''] (2023) | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCE0MjUyRUk ''28edo blues''] (2023) | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sTPJtuHUwkg ''51edo improv''] (2025-02-03) | * [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sTPJtuHUwkg ''51edo improv''] (2025-02-03) | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5pM8OC0fV98 ''51edo improv''] (2025-05-02) | * [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5pM8OC0fV98 ''51edo improv''] (2025-05-02) | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Fymg9vYO6iQ ''Northernlight - Deltarune (microtonal cover in 51edo)''] (2025) | * [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Fymg9vYO6iQ ''Northernlight - Deltarune (microtonal cover in 51edo)''] (2025) | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SJW-JTHyeIA ''51edo prelude''] (2026) | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3NOBYbiqpo ''51edo improv''] (2026-04-22) | |||
; [[Frédéric Gagné]] | ; [[Frédéric Gagné]] | ||