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The 5-limit parent comma for the '''semicomma family''' is the [[semicomma]] | {{Technical data page}} | ||
The [[5-limit]] parent [[comma]] for the '''semicomma family''' of [[regular temperament|temperaments]] is the [[semicomma]] ({{monzo|legend=1| -21 3 7 }}, [[ratio]]: 2109375/2097152). This is the amount by which three pure 3/1 twelfths exceed seven pure 8/5 minor sixths. | |||
== Orson == | == Orson == | ||
'''Orson''', first discovered by [[Erv Wilson]], is the [[5-limit]] temperament tempering out the semicomma. It has a [[generator]] of [[75/64]], which is sharper than [[7/6]] by [[225/224]] when untempered, and less sharp than that in any good orson tempering, for example [[53edo | '''Orson''', first discovered by [[Erv Wilson]]{{citation needed}}, is the [[5-limit]] temperament [[tempering out]] the semicomma. It has a [[generator]] of [[~]][[75/64]], seven of which give the [[3/1|perfect twelfth]]; its [[ploidacot]] is alpha-heptacot. The generator is sharper than [[7/6]] by [[225/224]] when untempered, and less sharp than that in any good orson tempering, for example [[53edo]] or [[84edo]]. These give tunings to the generator which are sharp of 7/6 by less than five [[cent]]s, making it hard to treat orson as anything other than an (at least) 7-limit system, leading to orwell. | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5 | ||
[[Comma list]]: 2109375/2097152 | [[Comma list]]: 2109375/2097152 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 3 | 0 7 -3 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~75/64 | |||
[[ | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.2902{{c}}, ~75/64 = 271.6929{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.290 -0.104 -0.522 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~75/64 = 271.6394{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.479 -1.232 }} | |||
[[Tuning ranges]]: | [[Tuning ranges]]: | ||
* 5-odd-limit [[diamond monotone]]: ~75/64 = [257.143, 276.923] (3\14 to 3\13) | * [[5-odd-limit]] [[diamond monotone]]: ~75/64 = [257.143, 276.923] (3\14 to 3\13) | ||
* 5-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~75/64 = [271.229, 271.708] | * 5-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~75/64 = [271.229, 271.708] (1/3-comma to 2/7-comma) | ||
{{ | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 31, 53, 190, 243, 296, 645c, 1586bccc }} | ||
[[Badness]]: 0. | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.957 | ||
=== | === Overview to extensions === | ||
The second comma of the [[Normal lists #Normal interval list|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Adding 65625/65536 (or 225/224) leads to orwell, but we could also add | The second comma of the [[Normal lists #Normal interval list|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Adding 65625/65536 (or 225/224) leads to orwell, but we could also add | ||
* 1029/1024, leading to the 31& | * 1029/1024, leading to the {{nowrap| 31 & 159 }} temperament (triwell), or | ||
* 2401/2400, giving the 31& | * 2401/2400, giving the {{nowrap| 31 & 243 }} temperament (quadrawell), or | ||
* 4375/4374, giving the 53& | * 4375/4374, giving the {{nowrap| 53 & 243 }} temperament (sabric). | ||
== Orwell == | == Orwell == | ||
{{ | {{Main| Orwell }} | ||
So called because 19\84 (as a | So called because 19\84 (as a fraction of the octave) is a possible generator of this temperament, orwell divides the interval of a twelfth (a tempered 3/1 frequency ratio) into 7 equal steps. It is compatible with [[22edo|22]], [[31edo|31]], [[53edo|53]] and [[84edo|84]] equal, and may be described as the {{nowrap| 22 & 31 }} temperament. It is a good system in the [[7-limit]] and naturally extends into the [[11-limit]]. [[84edo]], with the 19\84 generator, provides a good tuning for the 5-, 7- and 11-limit, but it does use its second-closest approximation to 11. However, the 19\84 generator is remarkably close to the 11-limit [[POTE tuning]], as the generator is only 0.0024 cents sharper, and it is a good approximation to the 7-limit POTE generator also; hence 84 may be considered the most recommendable tuning in the 7-limit. [[53edo]] might be preferred in the 5-limit because of its nearly pure fifth and in the 11-limit because of its slightly better 11, though most of its 11-limit harmony is actually worse. Aside from the semicomma and 65625/65536, 7-limit orwell tempers out [[2430/2401]] (the nuwell comma), [[1728/1715]] (the orwellisma), [[225/224]] (the marvel comma or septimal kleisma), and [[6144/6125]] (the porwell comma). | ||
The 11-limit version of orwell tempers out 99/98, which means that two of its sharpened 7/6 generators give a flattened 11/8, as well as 121/120, 176/175, 385/384 and 540/539. Despite lowered tuning accuracy, orwell comes into its own in the 11-limit, giving acceptable accuracy and relatively low complexity. Tempering out the orwellisma, 1728/1715, means that orwell interprets three stacked 7/6 generators as an 8/5, and the tempered | The 11-limit version of orwell tempers out [[99/98]], which means that two of its sharpened 7/6 generators give a flattened 11/8, as well as 121/120, 176/175, 385/384 and 540/539. Despite lowered tuning accuracy, orwell comes into its own in the 11-limit, giving acceptable accuracy and relatively low complexity. Tempering out the orwellisma, 1728/1715, means that orwell interprets three stacked 7/6 generators as an 8/5, and the tempered 1–7/6–11/8–8/5 chord is natural to orwell. | ||
Orwell has | Orwell has [[mos scale]]s of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note mos is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has [[Retuning 12edo to Orwell9|considerable harmonic resources]] despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13-note mos has those, and of course the 22- and 31-note mos are very well supplied with everything. | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 1728/1715 | [[Comma list]]: 225/224, 1728/1715 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 3 1 | 0 7 -3 8 }} | |||
{{ | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.0192{{c}}, ~7/6 = 271.5130{{c}} | |||
[[ | : [[error map]]: {{val| +0.019 -1.364 -0.795 +3.297 }} | ||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~7/6 = 271.5097{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -1.387 -0.843 +3.252 }} | |||
[[Minimax tuning]]: | [[Minimax tuning]]: | ||
* [[7-odd-limit]]: ~7/6 = {{monzo| 2/11 0 -1/11 1/11 }} | * [[7-odd-limit]]: ~7/6 = {{monzo| 2/11 0 -1/11 1/11 }} | ||
: | : {{monzo list| 1 0 0 0 | 14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 | 27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 | 27/11 0 -8/11 8/11 }} | ||
: [[ | : [[eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.7/5 | ||
* 9-odd-limit: ~7/6 = {{monzo| 3/17 2/17 -1/17 }} | * [[9-odd-limit]]: ~7/6 = {{monzo| 3/17 2/17 -1/17 }} | ||
: | : {{monzo list| 1 0 0 0 | 21/17 14/17 -7/17 0 | 42/17 -6/17 3/17 0 | 41/17 16/17 -8/17 0 }} | ||
: [[ | : [[eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.9/5 | ||
[[Tuning ranges]]: | [[Tuning ranges]]: | ||
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* 7-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~7/6 = [266.871, 271.708] | * 7-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~7/6 = [266.871, 271.708] | ||
* 9-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~7/6 = [266.871, 272.514] | * 9-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~7/6 = [266.871, 272.514] | ||
[[Algebraic generator]]: Sabra3, the real root of 12''x<sup>3</sup> - 7''x'' - 48. | [[Algebraic generator]]: Sabra3, the real root of 12''x<sup>3</sup> - 7''x'' - 48. | ||
{{ | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 9, 22, 31, 53, 84, 137, 221d }} | ||
[[Badness]]: 0. | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.525 | ||
=== 11-limit === | === 11-limit === | ||
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Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175 | Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 3 1 3 | 0 7 -3 8 2 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.5989{{c}}, ~7/6 = 271.5616{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~7/6 = 271.4552{{c}} | |||
Minimax tuning: | Minimax tuning: | ||
* 11-odd-limit: ~7/6 = {{monzo| 2/11 0 -1/11 1/11 }} | * 11-odd-limit: ~7/6 = {{monzo| 2/11 0 -1/11 1/11 }} | ||
: [{{monzo| 1 0 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 0 }}, {{monzo| 27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 0 }}, {{monzo| 27/11 0 -8/11 8/11 0 }}, {{monzo| 37/11 0 -2/11 2/11 0 }}] | : [{{monzo| 1 0 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 0 }}, {{monzo| 27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 0 }}, {{monzo| 27/11 0 -8/11 8/11 0 }}, {{monzo| 37/11 0 -2/11 2/11 0 }}] | ||
: | : Unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.7/5 | ||
Tuning ranges: | Tuning ranges: | ||
* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~7/6 = [270.968, 272.727] (7\31 to 5\22) | * 11-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~7/6 = [270.968, 272.727] (7\31 to 5\22) | ||
* 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~7/6 = [266.871, 275.659] | * 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~7/6 = [266.871, 275.659] | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 9, 22, 31, 53, 84e }} | |||
Badness: 0. | Badness (Sintel): 0.504 | ||
==== 13-limit ==== | ==== 13-limit ==== | ||
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Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175, 275/273 | Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175, 275/273 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 3 1 3 8 | 0 7 -3 8 2 -19 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.3621{{c}}, ~7/6 = 271.6283{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~7/6 = 271.5477{{c}} | |||
Tuning ranges: | Tuning ranges: | ||
* 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~7/6 = [270.968, 271.698] (7\31 to 12\53) | * 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~7/6 = [270.968, 271.698] (7\31 to 12\53) | ||
* 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~7/6 = [266.871, 275.659] | * 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~7/6 = [266.871, 275.659] | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22, 31, 53, 84e }} | |||
Badness: 0. | Badness (Sintel): 0.815 | ||
==== Blair ==== | ==== Blair ==== | ||
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Comma list: 65/64, 78/77, 91/90, 99/98 | Comma list: 65/64, 78/77, 91/90, 99/98 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 3 1 3 3 | 0 7 -3 8 2 3 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1201.8031{{c}}, ~7/6 = 271.7083{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~7/6 = 271.3846{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 9, 22, 31f }} | |||
Badness: 0. | Badness (Sintel): 0.954 | ||
==== Winston ==== | ==== Winston ==== | ||
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Comma list: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 121/120 | Comma list: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 121/120 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 3 1 3 1 | 0 7 -3 8 2 12 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.2846{{c}}, ~7/6 = 271.1524{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~7/6 = 271.1032{{c}} | |||
Tuning ranges: | Tuning ranges: | ||
* 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~7/6 = [270.968, 272.727] (7\31 to 5\22) | * 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~7/6 = [270.968, 272.727] (7\31 to 5\22) | ||
* 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~7/6 = [266.871, 281.691] | * 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~7/6 = [266.871, 281.691] | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 9, 22f, 31 }} | |||
Badness: 0. | Badness (Sintel): 0.824 | ||
==== Doublethink ==== | ==== Doublethink ==== | ||
Doublethink is a weak extension of orwell to the 13-limit. It splits the generator of ~7/6 into two [[13/12]]~[[14/13]]'s by tempering out their difference, [[169/168]]. Its ploidacot is alpha-14-cot. | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | ||
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 169/168, 176/175 | Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 169/168, 176/175 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 3 1 3 2 | 0 14 -6 16 4 15 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.6876{{c}}, ~13/12 = 135.8006{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~13/12 = 135.7410{{c}} | |||
Tuning ranges: | Tuning ranges: | ||
* 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~13/12 = [135.484, 136.364] (7\62 to 5\44) | * 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~13/12 = [135.484, 136.364] (7\62 to 5\44) | ||
* 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~13/12 = [128.298, 138.573] | * 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~13/12 = [128.298, 138.573] | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 9, 35bd, 44, 53, 115ef }} | |||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 1.12 | ||
=== Newspeak === | === Newspeak === | ||
In newspeak, the simplicity of obtaining ~[[11/8]] by stacking the generator ~[[7/6]] twice (as in basic 11-limit orwell) is sacrificed to gain accuracy for larger equal temperaments (such as [[84edo]] and [[115edo]]), at the cost of much higher complexity: it is reached only after stacking the generator 33 times and octave-reducing. Newspeak intersects with undecimal orwell at [[31edo]]. | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | ||
Comma list: 225/224, 441/440, 1728/1715 | Comma list: 225/224, 441/440, 1728/1715 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 3 1 -4 | 0 7 -3 8 33 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.2072{{c}}, ~7/6 = 271.3353{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~7/6 = 271.2952{{c}} | |||
Tuning ranges: | Tuning ranges: | ||
* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~7/6 = [270.968, 271.698] (7\31 to 12\53) | * 11-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~7/6 = [270.968, 271.698] (7\31 to 12\53) | ||
* 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~7/6 = [266.871, 272.514] | * 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~7/6 = [266.871, 272.514] | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22e, 31, 84, 115 }} | |||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 1.04 | ||
=== Borwell === | === Borwell === | ||
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Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 1728/1715 | Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 1728/1715 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -7 6 -7 -18 | 0 14 -6 16 35 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~55/36 | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.0194{{c}}, ~55/36 = 735.7641{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~55/36 = 735.7527{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 31, 75e, 106, 137 }} | |||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 1.27 | ||
== Sabric == | == Sabric == | ||
The | The sabric temperament tempers out the ragisma, [[4375/4374]], and may be described as the {{nowrap| 53 & 190 }} temperament. It was named by [[Xenllium]] in 2021 for its relation to the Sabra2 tuning (generator: 271.607278 cents). | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
[[Comma list]]: 4375/4374, 2109375/2097152 | [[Comma list]]: 4375/4374, 2109375/2097152 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 3 -11 | 0 7 -3 61 }} | |||
{{ | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.3056{{c}}, ~75/64 = 271.6760{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.306 -0.223 -0.425 +0.049 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~75/64 = 271.6110{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.678 -1.147 -0.558 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 53, 137d, 190, 243, 1511bccd }} | |||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.24 | |||
[[Badness]]: | |||
== Triwell == | == Triwell == | ||
Triwell tempers out the gamelisma, [[1029/1024]], and the triwellisma, [[235298/234375]]. It may be described as the {{nowrap| 31 & 159 }} temperament. It slices orwell's generator plus two octaves into three generators, and seven generators octave reduced make a ~8/7, which is the generator of [[slendric]]. Its ploidacot is 15-sheared-21-cot. | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
[[Comma list]]: 1029/1024, 235298/234375 | [[Comma list]]: 1029/1024, 235298/234375 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -14 9 8 | 0 21 -9 -7 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~375/224 | |||
{{ | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.4763{{c}}, ~375/224 = 890.8812{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.476 -0.118 +0.042 -1.184 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~375/224 = 890.5312{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.799 -1.095 -2.545 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 31, 97, 128, 159, 190 }} | |||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.04 | |||
[[Badness]]: | |||
=== 11-limit === | === 11-limit === | ||
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Comma list: 385/384, 441/440, 456533/455625 | Comma list: 385/384, 441/440, 456533/455625 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -14 9 8 -24 | 0 21 -9 -7 37 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.4804{{c}}, ~375/224 = 890.8854{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~375/224 = 890.5344{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 31, 97, 128, 159, 190 }} | |||
Badness: 0. | Badness (Sintel): 0.985 | ||
== Quadrawell == | == Quadrawell == | ||
Quadrawell tempers out [[2401/2400]] and may be described as the {{nowrap| 31 & 212 }} temperament. It has a [[7/4]] generator of about 968 cents, four of which minus three octaves give the original generator of orwell. It can also be viewed as [[2.5.7|2.5.7-subgroup]] [[mothra]] with a different mapping of prime [[3/1|3]]. Its ploidacot is 22-sheared-28-cot. | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
[[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 2109375/2097152 | [[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 2109375/2097152 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -21 12 2 | 0 28 -12 1 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~7/4 | |||
{{ | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.3006{{c}}, ~7/4 = 968.1489{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.301 -0.098 -0.493 -0.076 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~7/4 = 967.9090{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.503 -1.222 -0.917 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 31, 119, 150, 181, 212, 243, 698cd, 941cd }} | |||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.92 | |||
[[Badness]]: | |||
=== 11-limit === | === 11-limit === | ||
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Comma list: 385/384, 1375/1372, 14641/14580 | Comma list: 385/384, 1375/1372, 14641/14580 | ||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -21 12 2 -28 | 0 28 -12 1 39 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.3622{{c}}, ~7/4 = 968.2089{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~7/4 = 967.9206{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 31, 119, 150, 181, 212, 455ee, 667cdee }} | |||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 1.21 | ||
== Rainwell == | == Rainwell == | ||
The | The rainwell temperament tempers out the mirkwai comma, [[16875/16807]], and the rainy comma, [[2100875/2097152]]. It may be described as the {{nowrap| 31 & 265 }} temperament. Its ploidacot is 22-sheared-35-cot. | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
[[Comma list]]: 16875/16807, 2100875/2097152 | [[Comma list]]: 16875/16807, 2100875/2097152 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -21 12 -3 | 0 35 -15 9 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~2625/2048 | |||
[[ | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.2032{{c}}, ~2401/1536 = 774.4577{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.203 -0.204 -0.740 +0.683 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~2401/1536 = 774.3282{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.469 -1.236 +0.128 }} | |||
{{ | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 31, 172, 203, 234, 265, 296 }} | ||
[[Badness]]: | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 3.63 | ||
=== 11-limit === | === 11-limit === | ||
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Comma list: 540/539, 1375/1372, 2100875/2097152 | Comma list: 540/539, 1375/1372, 2100875/2097152 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -21 12 -3 -43 | 0 35 -15 9 72 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.1915{{c}}, ~2205/1408 = 774.4451{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~2205/1408 = 774.3233{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 31, 234, 265, 296, 919bc }} | |||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 1.74 | ||
== Quinwell == | == Quinwell == | ||
The | The quinwell temperament tempers out the wizma, [[420175/419904]], and may be described as the {{nowrap| 22 & 243 }} temperament. It slices orwell's generator into five quartertones. Its ploidacot is alpha-35-cot. | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
[[Comma list]]: 420175/419904, 2109375/2097152 | [[Comma list]]: 420175/419904, 2109375/2097152 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 3 0 | 0 35 -15 62 }} | |||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~405/392 | |||
[[ | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.2860{{c}}, ~405/392 = 54.3373{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.286 -0.151 -0.515 +0.084 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~405/392 = 54.3273{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.501 -1.223 -0.536 }} | |||
{{ | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, …, 199d, 221, 243, 751c, 994cd, 1237bccd, 1480bccd }} | ||
[[Badness]]: | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 4.27 | ||
=== 11-limit === | === 11-limit === | ||
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Comma list: 540/539, 4375/4356, 2109375/2097152 | Comma list: 540/539, 4375/4356, 2109375/2097152 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 3 0 5 | 0 35 -15 62 -34 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.0642{{c}}, ~33/32 = 54.3395{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~33/32 = 54.3369{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22, 221, 243, 265 }} | |||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 3.21 | ||
=== Quinbetter === | === Quinbetter === | ||
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Comma list: 385/384, 24057/24010, 43923/43750 | Comma list: 385/384, 24057/24010, 43923/43750 | ||
Mapping: | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 3 0 4 | 0 35 -15 62 -12 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1200.0642{{c}}, ~405/392 = 54.3373{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~405/392 = 54.3192{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22, …, 199d, 221e, 243e, 707bcdeee }} | |||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 2.60 | ||
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Latest revision as of 17:12, 1 March 2026
- This is a list showing technical temperament data. For an explanation of what information is shown here, you may look at the technical data guide for regular temperaments.
The 5-limit parent comma for the semicomma family of temperaments is the semicomma (monzo: [-21 3 7⟩, ratio: 2109375/2097152). This is the amount by which three pure 3/1 twelfths exceed seven pure 8/5 minor sixths.
Orson
Orson, first discovered by Erv Wilson[citation needed], is the 5-limit temperament tempering out the semicomma. It has a generator of ~75/64, seven of which give the perfect twelfth; its ploidacot is alpha-heptacot. The generator is sharper than 7/6 by 225/224 when untempered, and less sharp than that in any good orson tempering, for example 53edo or 84edo. These give tunings to the generator which are sharp of 7/6 by less than five cents, making it hard to treat orson as anything other than an (at least) 7-limit system, leading to orwell.
Subgroup: 2.3.5
Comma list: 2109375/2097152
Mapping: [⟨1 0 3], ⟨0 7 -3]]
- mapping generators: ~2, ~75/64
- WE: ~2 = 1200.2902 ¢, ~75/64 = 271.6929 ¢
- error map: ⟨+0.290 -0.104 -0.522]
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~75/64 = 271.6394 ¢
- error map: ⟨0.000 -0.479 -1.232]
- 5-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~75/64 = [257.143, 276.923] (3\14 to 3\13)
- 5-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~75/64 = [271.229, 271.708] (1/3-comma to 2/7-comma)
Optimal ET sequence: 22, 31, 53, 190, 243, 296, 645c, 1586bccc
Badness (Sintel): 0.957
Overview to extensions
The second comma of the normal comma list defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Adding 65625/65536 (or 225/224) leads to orwell, but we could also add
- 1029/1024, leading to the 31 & 159 temperament (triwell), or
- 2401/2400, giving the 31 & 243 temperament (quadrawell), or
- 4375/4374, giving the 53 & 243 temperament (sabric).
Orwell
So called because 19\84 (as a fraction of the octave) is a possible generator of this temperament, orwell divides the interval of a twelfth (a tempered 3/1 frequency ratio) into 7 equal steps. It is compatible with 22, 31, 53 and 84 equal, and may be described as the 22 & 31 temperament. It is a good system in the 7-limit and naturally extends into the 11-limit. 84edo, with the 19\84 generator, provides a good tuning for the 5-, 7- and 11-limit, but it does use its second-closest approximation to 11. However, the 19\84 generator is remarkably close to the 11-limit POTE tuning, as the generator is only 0.0024 cents sharper, and it is a good approximation to the 7-limit POTE generator also; hence 84 may be considered the most recommendable tuning in the 7-limit. 53edo might be preferred in the 5-limit because of its nearly pure fifth and in the 11-limit because of its slightly better 11, though most of its 11-limit harmony is actually worse. Aside from the semicomma and 65625/65536, 7-limit orwell tempers out 2430/2401 (the nuwell comma), 1728/1715 (the orwellisma), 225/224 (the marvel comma or septimal kleisma), and 6144/6125 (the porwell comma).
The 11-limit version of orwell tempers out 99/98, which means that two of its sharpened 7/6 generators give a flattened 11/8, as well as 121/120, 176/175, 385/384 and 540/539. Despite lowered tuning accuracy, orwell comes into its own in the 11-limit, giving acceptable accuracy and relatively low complexity. Tempering out the orwellisma, 1728/1715, means that orwell interprets three stacked 7/6 generators as an 8/5, and the tempered 1–7/6–11/8–8/5 chord is natural to orwell.
Orwell has mos scales of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note mos is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has considerable harmonic resources despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13-note mos has those, and of course the 22- and 31-note mos are very well supplied with everything.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 225/224, 1728/1715
Mapping: [⟨1 0 3 1], ⟨0 7 -3 8]]
- WE: ~2 = 1200.0192 ¢, ~7/6 = 271.5130 ¢
- error map: ⟨+0.019 -1.364 -0.795 +3.297]
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~7/6 = 271.5097 ¢
- error map: ⟨0.000 -1.387 -0.843 +3.252]
- 7-odd-limit: ~7/6 = [2/11 0 -1/11 1/11⟩
- [[1 0 0 0⟩, [14/11 0 -7/11 7/11⟩, [27/11 0 3/11 -3/11⟩, [27/11 0 -8/11 8/11⟩]
- unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.7/5
- 9-odd-limit: ~7/6 = [3/17 2/17 -1/17⟩
- [[1 0 0 0⟩, [21/17 14/17 -7/17 0⟩, [42/17 -6/17 3/17 0⟩, [41/17 16/17 -8/17 0⟩]
- unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.9/5
- 7-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~7/6 = [266.667, 272.727] (2\9 to 5\22)
- 9-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~7/6 = [270.968, 272.727] (7\31 to 5\22)
- 7-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~7/6 = [266.871, 271.708]
- 9-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~7/6 = [266.871, 272.514]
Algebraic generator: Sabra3, the real root of 12x3 - 7x - 48.
Optimal ET sequence: 9, 22, 31, 53, 84, 137, 221d
Badness (Sintel): 0.525
11-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175
Mapping: [⟨1 0 3 1 3], ⟨0 7 -3 8 2]]
Optimal tunings:
- WE: ~2 = 1200.5989 ¢, ~7/6 = 271.5616 ¢
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~7/6 = 271.4552 ¢
Minimax tuning:
- 11-odd-limit: ~7/6 = [2/11 0 -1/11 1/11⟩
- [[1 0 0 0 0⟩, [14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 0⟩, [27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 0⟩, [27/11 0 -8/11 8/11 0⟩, [37/11 0 -2/11 2/11 0⟩]
- Unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.7/5
Tuning ranges:
- 11-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~7/6 = [270.968, 272.727] (7\31 to 5\22)
- 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~7/6 = [266.871, 275.659]
Optimal ET sequence: 9, 22, 31, 53, 84e
Badness (Sintel): 0.504
13-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175, 275/273
Mapping: [⟨1 0 3 1 3 8], ⟨0 7 -3 8 2 -19]]
Optimal tunings:
- WE: ~2 = 1200.3621 ¢, ~7/6 = 271.6283 ¢
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~7/6 = 271.5477 ¢
Tuning ranges:
- 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~7/6 = [270.968, 271.698] (7\31 to 12\53)
- 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~7/6 = [266.871, 275.659]
Optimal ET sequence: 22, 31, 53, 84e
Badness (Sintel): 0.815
Blair
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 65/64, 78/77, 91/90, 99/98
Mapping: [⟨1 0 3 1 3 3], ⟨0 7 -3 8 2 3]]
Optimal tunings:
- WE: ~2 = 1201.8031 ¢, ~7/6 = 271.7083 ¢
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~7/6 = 271.3846 ¢
Optimal ET sequence: 9, 22, 31f
Badness (Sintel): 0.954
Winston
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 121/120
Mapping: [⟨1 0 3 1 3 1], ⟨0 7 -3 8 2 12]]
Optimal tunings:
- WE: ~2 = 1200.2846 ¢, ~7/6 = 271.1524 ¢
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~7/6 = 271.1032 ¢
Tuning ranges:
- 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~7/6 = [270.968, 272.727] (7\31 to 5\22)
- 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~7/6 = [266.871, 281.691]
Optimal ET sequence: 9, 22f, 31
Badness (Sintel): 0.824
Doublethink
Doublethink is a weak extension of orwell to the 13-limit. It splits the generator of ~7/6 into two 13/12~14/13's by tempering out their difference, 169/168. Its ploidacot is alpha-14-cot.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 169/168, 176/175
Mapping: [⟨1 0 3 1 3 2], ⟨0 14 -6 16 4 15]]
Optimal tunings:
- WE: ~2 = 1200.6876 ¢, ~13/12 = 135.8006 ¢
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~13/12 = 135.7410 ¢
Tuning ranges:
- 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~13/12 = [135.484, 136.364] (7\62 to 5\44)
- 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~13/12 = [128.298, 138.573]
Optimal ET sequence: 9, 35bd, 44, 53, 115ef
Badness (Sintel): 1.12
Newspeak
In newspeak, the simplicity of obtaining ~11/8 by stacking the generator ~7/6 twice (as in basic 11-limit orwell) is sacrificed to gain accuracy for larger equal temperaments (such as 84edo and 115edo), at the cost of much higher complexity: it is reached only after stacking the generator 33 times and octave-reducing. Newspeak intersects with undecimal orwell at 31edo.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 225/224, 441/440, 1728/1715
Mapping: [⟨1 0 3 1 -4], ⟨0 7 -3 8 33]]
Optimal tunings:
- WE: ~2 = 1200.2072 ¢, ~7/6 = 271.3353 ¢
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~7/6 = 271.2952 ¢
Tuning ranges:
- 11-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~7/6 = [270.968, 271.698] (7\31 to 12\53)
- 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~7/6 = [266.871, 272.514]
Optimal ET sequence: 22e, 31, 84, 115
Badness (Sintel): 1.04
Borwell
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 1728/1715
Mapping: [⟨1 -7 6 -7 -18], ⟨0 14 -6 16 35]]
- mapping generators: ~2, ~55/36
Optimal tunings:
- WE: ~2 = 1200.0194 ¢, ~55/36 = 735.7641 ¢
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.000 ¢, ~55/36 = 735.7527 ¢
Optimal ET sequence: 31, 75e, 106, 137
Badness (Sintel): 1.27
Sabric
The sabric temperament tempers out the ragisma, 4375/4374, and may be described as the 53 & 190 temperament. It was named by Xenllium in 2021 for its relation to the Sabra2 tuning (generator: 271.607278 cents).
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 4375/4374, 2109375/2097152
Mapping: [⟨1 0 3 -11], ⟨0 7 -3 61]]
- WE: ~2 = 1200.3056 ¢, ~75/64 = 271.6760 ¢
- error map: ⟨+0.306 -0.223 -0.425 +0.049]
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~75/64 = 271.6110 ¢
- error map: ⟨0.000 -0.678 -1.147 -0.558]
Optimal ET sequence: 53, 137d, 190, 243, 1511bccd
Badness (Sintel): 2.24
Triwell
Triwell tempers out the gamelisma, 1029/1024, and the triwellisma, 235298/234375. It may be described as the 31 & 159 temperament. It slices orwell's generator plus two octaves into three generators, and seven generators octave reduced make a ~8/7, which is the generator of slendric. Its ploidacot is 15-sheared-21-cot.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 1029/1024, 235298/234375
Mapping: [⟨1 -14 9 8], ⟨0 21 -9 -7]]
- mapping generators: ~2, ~375/224
- WE: ~2 = 1200.4763 ¢, ~375/224 = 890.8812 ¢
- error map: ⟨+0.476 -0.118 +0.042 -1.184]
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~375/224 = 890.5312 ¢
- error map: ⟨0.000 -0.799 -1.095 -2.545]
Optimal ET sequence: 31, 97, 128, 159, 190
Badness (Sintel): 2.04
11-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 385/384, 441/440, 456533/455625
Mapping: [⟨1 -14 9 8 -24], ⟨0 21 -9 -7 37]]
Optimal tunings:
- WE: ~2 = 1200.4804 ¢, ~375/224 = 890.8854 ¢
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~375/224 = 890.5344 ¢
Optimal ET sequence: 31, 97, 128, 159, 190
Badness (Sintel): 0.985
Quadrawell
Quadrawell tempers out 2401/2400 and may be described as the 31 & 212 temperament. It has a 7/4 generator of about 968 cents, four of which minus three octaves give the original generator of orwell. It can also be viewed as 2.5.7-subgroup mothra with a different mapping of prime 3. Its ploidacot is 22-sheared-28-cot.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 2401/2400, 2109375/2097152
Mapping: [⟨1 -21 12 2], ⟨0 28 -12 1]]
- mapping generators: ~2, ~7/4
- WE: ~2 = 1200.3006 ¢, ~7/4 = 968.1489 ¢
- error map: ⟨+0.301 -0.098 -0.493 -0.076]
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~7/4 = 967.9090 ¢
- error map: ⟨0.000 -0.503 -1.222 -0.917]
Optimal ET sequence: 31, 119, 150, 181, 212, 243, 698cd, 941cd
Badness (Sintel): 1.92
11-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 385/384, 1375/1372, 14641/14580
Mapping: [⟨1 -21 12 2 -28], ⟨0 28 -12 1 39]]
Optimal tunings:
- WE: ~2 = 1200.3622 ¢, ~7/4 = 968.2089 ¢
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~7/4 = 967.9206 ¢
Optimal ET sequence: 31, 119, 150, 181, 212, 455ee, 667cdee
Badness (Sintel): 1.21
Rainwell
The rainwell temperament tempers out the mirkwai comma, 16875/16807, and the rainy comma, 2100875/2097152. It may be described as the 31 & 265 temperament. Its ploidacot is 22-sheared-35-cot.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 16875/16807, 2100875/2097152
Mapping: [⟨1 -21 12 -3], ⟨0 35 -15 9]]
- mapping generators: ~2, ~2625/2048
- WE: ~2 = 1200.2032 ¢, ~2401/1536 = 774.4577 ¢
- error map: ⟨+0.203 -0.204 -0.740 +0.683]
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~2401/1536 = 774.3282 ¢
- error map: ⟨0.000 -0.469 -1.236 +0.128]
Optimal ET sequence: 31, 172, 203, 234, 265, 296
Badness (Sintel): 3.63
11-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 540/539, 1375/1372, 2100875/2097152
Mapping: [⟨1 -21 12 -3 -43], ⟨0 35 -15 9 72]]
Optimal tunings:
- WE: ~2 = 1200.1915 ¢, ~2205/1408 = 774.4451 ¢
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~2205/1408 = 774.3233 ¢
Optimal ET sequence: 31, 234, 265, 296, 919bc
Badness (Sintel): 1.74
Quinwell
The quinwell temperament tempers out the wizma, 420175/419904, and may be described as the 22 & 243 temperament. It slices orwell's generator into five quartertones. Its ploidacot is alpha-35-cot.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 420175/419904, 2109375/2097152
Mapping: [⟨1 0 3 0], ⟨0 35 -15 62]]
- mapping generators: ~2, ~405/392
- WE: ~2 = 1200.2860 ¢, ~405/392 = 54.3373 ¢
- error map: ⟨+0.286 -0.151 -0.515 +0.084]
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~405/392 = 54.3273 ¢
- error map: ⟨0.000 -0.501 -1.223 -0.536]
Optimal ET sequence: 22, …, 199d, 221, 243, 751c, 994cd, 1237bccd, 1480bccd
Badness (Sintel): 4.27
11-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 540/539, 4375/4356, 2109375/2097152
Mapping: [⟨1 0 3 0 5], ⟨0 35 -15 62 -34]]
Optimal tunings:
- WE: ~2 = 1200.0642 ¢, ~33/32 = 54.3395 ¢
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~33/32 = 54.3369 ¢
Optimal ET sequence: 22, 221, 243, 265
Badness (Sintel): 3.21
Quinbetter
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 385/384, 24057/24010, 43923/43750
Mapping: [⟨1 0 3 0 4], ⟨0 35 -15 62 -12]]
Optimal tunings:
- WE: ~2 = 1200.0642 ¢, ~405/392 = 54.3373 ¢
- CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000 ¢, ~405/392 = 54.3192 ¢
Optimal ET sequence: 22, …, 199d, 221e, 243e, 707bcdeee
Badness (Sintel): 2.60