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:''For the tritave-equivalent MOS structure with the same step pattern, see [[5L 3s (3/1-equivalent)]].''
:''For the tritave-equivalent MOS structure with the same step pattern, see [[5L 3s (3/1-equivalent)]].''
{{MOS intro}}
{{MOS intro}}
5L 3s is a [[Warped diatonic|warped diatonic scale]], because it has one extra small step compared to diatonic ([[5L 2s]]): for example, the Ionian diatonic mode LLsLLLs can be warped to the Dylathian mode LLsLLsLs.
5L 3s can be seen as a [[Warped diatonic|warped diatonic scale]], because it has one extra small step compared to diatonic ([[5L 2s]]).
 
5L 3s has a pentatonic MOS subset [[3L 2s]] (SLSLL). (Note: [[3L 5s]] scales also have 3L 2s subsets.)


== Name ==
== Name ==
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'Father' is sometimes also used to denote 5L 3s, but it's a misnomer, as [[father]] is technically an abstract [[regular temperament]] (although a very inaccurate one), not a generator range. There are father tunings which generate 3L 5s. A more correct but still not quite correct name would be 'father[8]' or 'father octatonic'. "Father" is also vague regarding the number of notes, because optimal generators for it also generate [[3L 2s]].
'Father' is sometimes also used to denote 5L 3s, but it's a misnomer, as [[father]] is technically an abstract [[regular temperament]] (although a very inaccurate one), not a generator range. There are father tunings which generate 3L 5s. A more correct but still not quite correct name would be 'father[8]' or 'father octatonic'. "Father" is also vague regarding the number of notes, because optimal generators for it also generate [[3L 2s]].
=== Proposed mode names ===
The following names have been proposed for the modes of 5L 3s, and are named after cities in the Dreamlands.
{{MOS modes|Mode Names=Dylathian;
Ilarnekian;
Celephaïsian;
Ultharian;
Mnarian;
Kadathian;
Hlanithian;
Sarnathian;}}


== Scale properties ==
== Scale properties ==
{{TAMNAMS use}}
{{MOS data}}
 
=== Intervals ===
{{MOS intervals}}


=== Modes ===
== Tunings==
{{MOS mode degrees}}
====Proposed names====
Oneirotonic modes are named after cities in the Dreamlands.
{| class="wikitable center-all"
|-
! Mode
! [[Modal UDP Notation|UDP]]
! Name
|-
| LLsLLsLs
| 7{{pipe}}0
| Dylathian
|-
| LLsLsLLs
| 6{{pipe}}1
| Ilarnekian
|-
| LsLLsLLs
| 5{{pipe}}2
| Celephaïsian
|-
| LsLLsLsL
| 4{{pipe}}3
| Ultharian
|-
| LsLsLLsL
| 3{{pipe}}4
| Mnarian
|-
| sLLsLLsL
| 2{{pipe}}5
| Kadathian
|-
| sLLsLsLL
| 1{{pipe}}6
| Hlanithian
|-
| sLsLLsLL
| 0{{pipe}}7
| Sarnathian
|}
 
== Tuning ranges==
===Simple tunings ===
===Simple tunings ===
Table of intervals in the simplest oneirotonic tunings:
The simplest tuning for 5L 3s correspond to 13edo, 18edo, and 21edo, with step ratios 2:1, 3:1, and 3:2, respectively.
{| class="wikitable right-2 right-3 right-4 sortable "
|-
! class="unsortable" |Degree
! Size in 13edo (basic)
! Size in 18edo (hard)
! Size in 21edo (soft)
! #Gens up
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| unison
| 0\13, 0.00
| 0\18, 0.00
| 0\21, 0.00
| 0
|-
| minor step
| 1\13, 92.31
| 1\18, 66.67
| 2\21, 114.29
| -5
|-
| major step
| 2\13, 184.62
| 3\18, 200.00
| 3\21, 171.43
| +3
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| minor 2-step
| 3\13, 276.92
| 4\18, 266.67
| 5\21, 285.71
| -2
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| major 2-step
| 4\13, 369.23
| 6\18, 400.00
| 6\21, 342.86
| +6
|-
| dim. 3-step
| 4\13, 369.23
| 5\18, 333.33
| 7\21, 400.00
| -7
|-
| perf. 3-step
| 5\13, 461.54
| 7\18, 466.67
| 8\21, 457.14
| +1
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| minor 4-step
| 6\13, 553.85
| 8\18, 533.33
| 10\21, 571.43
| -4
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| major 4-step
| 7\13, 646.15
| 10\18, 666.66
| 11\31, 628.57
| +4
|-
| perf. 5-step
| 8\13, 738.46
| 11\18, 733.33
| 13\21, 742.86
| -1
|-
| aug. 5-step
| 9\13, 830.77
| 13\18, 866.66
| 14\21, 800.00
| +7
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| minor 6-step
| 9\13, 830.77
| 12\18, 800.00
| 15\21, 857.14
|  -6
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| major 6-step
| 10\13, 923.08
| 14\18, 933.33
| 16\21, 914.29
| +2
|-
| minor 7-step
| 11\13, 1015.39
| 15\18, 1000.00
| 18\21, 1028.57
| -3
|-
| major 7-step
| 12\13, 1107.69
| 17\18, 1133.33
| 19\21, 1085.71
| +5
|}


=== Hypohard ===
{{MOS tunings}}
[[Hypohard]] oneirotonic tunings (with generator between 5\13 and 7\18) have step ratios between 2/1 and 3/1.


Hypohard oneirotonic can be considered "meantone oneirotonic". This is because these tunings share the following features with [[meantone]] diatonic tunings:  
=== Hypohard tunings ===
* The large step is a "meantone", somewhere between near-10/9 (as in [[13edo]]) and near-9/8 (as in [[18edo]]).
[[Hypohard]] oneirotonic tunings have step ratios between 2:1 and 3:1 and can be considered "meantone oneirotonic". This is because these tunings share the following features with [[meantone]] diatonic tunings:  
* The major 2-mosstep (made of two large steps) is a [[meantone]]- to [[flattone]]-sized major third, thus is a stand-in for the classical diatonic major third.
* The large step is a "meantone", around the range of [[10/9]] to [[9/8]].
 
* The major 2-mosstep is a [[meantone]]- to [[flattone]]-sized major third, thus is a stand-in for the classical diatonic major third.
Also, in [[18edo]] and [[31edo]], the minor 2-mosstep is close to [[7/6]].
* With step ratios between 5:2 and 2:1, the minor 2-mosstep is close to [[7/6]].


The set of identifications above is associated with [[5L 3s/Temperaments#A-Team|A-Team]] temperament.
The set of identifications above is associated with [[5L 3s/Temperaments#A-Team|A-Team]] temperament.
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* 31edo can be used to make the major 2-mosstep a near-just 5/4.
* 31edo can be used to make the major 2-mosstep a near-just 5/4.
* [[44edo]] (generator 17\44 = 463.64¢), [[57edo]] (generator 22\57 = 463.16¢), and [[70edo]] (generator 27\70 = 462.857¢) offer a compromise between 31edo's major third and 13edo's 11/8 and 13/8. In particular, 70edo has an essentially pure 13/8.
* [[44edo]] (generator 17\44 = 463.64¢), [[57edo]] (generator 22\57 = 463.16¢), and [[70edo]] (generator 27\70 = 462.857¢) offer a compromise between 31edo's major third and 13edo's 11/8 and 13/8. In particular, 70edo has an essentially pure 13/8.
{{MOS tunings|Step Ratios=Hypohard|JI Ratios=1/1;
21/20; 22/21;
9/8; 10/9;
7/6;
5/4;
16/13; 11/9;
21/16; 13/10; 17/13;
11/8;
13/9; 16/11;
26/17;
13/8; 18/11;
8/5;
12/7;
9/5; 16/9;}}


The sizes of the generator, large step and small step of oneirotonic are as follows in various hypohard oneiro tunings.
=== Hyposoft tunings ===
{| class="wikitable right-2 right-3 right-4 right-5"
[[Hyposoft]] oneirotonic tunings have step ratios between 3:2 and 2:1, which remains relatively unexplored. In these tunings,  
|-
* The large step of oneirotonic tends to be intermediate in size between [[10/9]] and [[11/10]]; the small step size is a semitone close to [[17/16]], about 92¢ to 114¢.
!
! [[13edo]] (basic)
! [[18edo]] (hard)
! [[31edo]] (semihard)
|-
| generator (g)
| 5\13, 461.54
| 7\18, 466.67
| 12\31, 464.52
|-
| L (3g - octave)
| 2\13, 184.62
| 3\18, 200.00
| 5\31, 193.55
|-
| s (-5g + 2 octaves)
| 1\13, 92.31
| 1\18, 66.67
| 2\31, 77.42
|}
 
==== Intervals====
Sortable table of major and minor intervals in hypohard oneiro tunings:
 
{| class="wikitable right-2 right-3 right-4 sortable "
|-
! class="unsortable" | Degree
! Size in 13edo (basic)
! Size in 18edo (hard)
! Size in 31edo (semihard)
! class="unsortable" | Approximate ratios<ref>The ratio interpretations that are not valid for 18edo are italicized.</ref>
! #Gens up
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| unison
| 0\13, 0.00
| 0\18, 0.00
| 0\31, 0.00
| 1/1
| 0
|-
| minor step
| 1\13, 92.31
| 1\18, 66.67
| 2\31, 77.42
| 21/20, ''22/21''
| -5
|-
| major step
| 2\13, 184.62
| 3\18, 200.00
| 5\31, 193.55
| 9/8, 10/9
| +3
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| minor 2-step
| 3\13, 276.92
| 4\18, 266.67
| 7\31, 270.97
| 7/6
| -2
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| major 2-step
| 4\13, 369.23
| 6\18, 400.00
| 10\31, 387.10
| 5/4
| +6
|-
| dim. 3-step
| 4\13, 369.23
| 5\18, 333.33
| 9\31, 348.39
| ''16/13, 11/9''
| -7
|-
| perf. 3-step
| 5\13, 461.54
| 7\18, 466.67
| 12\31, 464.52
| 21/16, ''13/10'', 17/13
| +1
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| minor 4-step
| 6\13, 553.85
| 8\18, 533.33
| 14\31, 541.94
| ''11/8''
| -4
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| major 4-step
| 7\13, 646.15
| 10\18, 666.66
| 17\31, 658.06
| ''13/9'', ''16/11''
| +4
|-
| perf. 5-step
| 8\13, 738.46
| 11\18, 733.33
| 19\31, 735.48
| 26/17
| -1
|-
| aug. 5-step
| 9\13, 830.77
| 13\18, 866.66
| 22\31, 851.61
| ''13/8'', ''18/11''
| +7
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| minor 6-step
| 9\13, 830.77
| 12\18, 800.00
| 21\31, 812.90
| 8/5
| -6
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| major 6-step
| 10\13, 923.08
| 14\18, 933.33
| 24\31, 929.03
| 12/7
| +2
|-
| minor 7-step
| 11\13, 1015.39
| 15\18, 1000.00
| 26\31, 1006.45
| 9/5, 16/9
| -3
|-
| major 7-step
| 12\13, 1107.69
| 17\18, 1133.33
| 29\31, 1122.58
|
| +5
|}
<references />
 
=== Hyposoft ===
[[Hyposoft]] oneirotonic tunings (with generator between 8\21 and 5\13) have step ratios between 3/2 and 2/1. The 8\21-to-5\13 range of oneirotonic tunings remains relatively unexplored. In these tunings,  
* the large step of oneirotonic tends to be intermediate in size between [[10/9]] and [[11/10]]; the small step size is a semitone close to [[17/16]], about 92¢ to 114¢.
* The major 2-mosstep (made of two large steps) in these tunings tends to be more of a neutral third, ranging from 6\21 (342¢) to 4\13 (369¢).
* The major 2-mosstep (made of two large steps) in these tunings tends to be more of a neutral third, ranging from 6\21 (342¢) to 4\13 (369¢).


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This set of JI identifications is associated with [[5L 3s/Temperaments#Petrtri|petrtri]] temperament. (P1-M1ms-P3ms could be said to approximate 5:11:13 in all soft-of-basic tunings, which is what "basic" [[petrtri]] temperament is.)
This set of JI identifications is associated with [[5L 3s/Temperaments#Petrtri|petrtri]] temperament. (P1-M1ms-P3ms could be said to approximate 5:11:13 in all soft-of-basic tunings, which is what "basic" [[petrtri]] temperament is.)


The sizes of the generator, large step and small step of oneirotonic are as follows in various hyposoft oneiro tunings (13edo not shown).
{{MOS tunings|Step Ratios=Hyposoft|JI Ratios=1/1;
{| class="wikitable right-2 right-3 right-4 right-5"
16/15;
|-
10/9; 11/10;
!
13/11; 20/17;
! [[21edo]] (soft)
11/9;
! [[34edo]] (semisoft)
5/4;
|-
13/10;
| generator (g)
18/13; 32/23;
| 8\21, 457.14
13/9; 23/16;
| 13\34, 458.82
20/13;
|-
8/5;
| L (3g - octave)
18/11;
| 3\21, 171.43
22/13; 17/10;
| 5\34, 176.47
9/5;
|-
15/8;}}
| s (-5g + 2 octaves)
| 2\21, 114.29
| 3\34, 105.88
|}
 
====Intervals====
Sortable table of major and minor intervals in hyposoft tunings (13edo not shown):
 
{| class="wikitable right-2 right-3 sortable "
|-
! class="unsortable" | Degree
! Size in 21edo (soft)
! Size in 34edo (semisoft)
! class="unsortable" | Approximate ratios
! #Gens up
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| unison
| 0\21, 0.00
| 0\34, 0.00
| 1/1
| 0
|-
| minor step
| 2\21, 114.29
| 3\34, 105.88
| 16/15
| -5
|-
| major step
| 3\21, 171.43
| 5\34, 176.47
| 10/9, 11/10
| +3
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| minor 2-step
| 5\21, 285.71
| 8\34, 282.35
| 13/11, 20/17
| -2
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| major 2-step
| 6\21, 342.86
| 10\34, 352.94
| 11/9
| +6
|-
| dim. 3-step
| 7\21, 400.00
| 11\34, 388.24
| 5/4
| -7
|-
| perf. 3-step
| 8\21, 457.14
| 12\31, 458.82
| 13/10
| +1
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| minor 4-step
| 10\21, 571.43
| 16\34, 564.72
| 18/13, 32/23
| -4
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| major 4-step
| 11\21, 628.57
| 18\34, 635.29
| 13/9, 23/16
| +4
|-
| perf. 5-step
| 13\21, 742.86
| 21\34, 741.18
| 20/13
| -1
|-
| aug. 5-step
| 14\21, 800.00
| 23\34, 811.77
| 8/5
| +7
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| minor 6-step
| 15\21, 857.14
| 24\34, 847.06
| 18/11
| -6
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| major 6-step
| 16\21, 914.29
| 26\34, 917.65
| 22/13, 17/10
| +2
|-
| minor 7-step
| 18\21, 1028.57
| 29\34, 1023.53
| 9/5
| -3
|-
| major 7-step
| 19\21, 1085.71
| 31\34, 1094.12
| 15/8
| +5
|}
 
=== Parasoft to ultrasoft tunings ===
The range of oneirotonic tunings of step ratio between 6/5 and 3/2 (thus in the [[parasoft]] to [[ultrasoft]] range) may be of interest because it is closely related to [[porcupine]] temperament: these tunings equate three oneirotonic large steps to a diatonic perfect fourth, i.e. they equate the oneirotonic large step to a [[porcupine]] generator. [This identification may come in handy since many altered oneirotonic modes have three consecutive large steps.] The chord 10:11:13 is very well approximated in 29edo.


The sizes of the generator, large step and small step of oneirotonic are as follows in various tunings in this range.
=== Parasoft and ultrasoft tunings ===
{| class="wikitable right-2 right-3 right-4 right-5"
The range of oneirotonic tunings of step ratio between 6:5 and 3:2 is closely related to [[porcupine]] temperament; these tunings equate three oneirotonic large steps to a diatonic perfect fourth, i.e. they equate the oneirotonic large step to a [[porcupine]] generator. The chord 10:11:13 is very well approximated in 29edo.
|-
!
! [[29edo]] (supersoft)
! [[37edo]]
|-
| generator (g)
| 11\29, 455.17
| 14\37, 454.05
|-
| L (3g - octave)
| 4\29, 165.52
| 5\37, 162.16
|-
| s (-5g + 2 octaves)
| 3\29, 124.14
| 4\37, 129.73
|}


==== Intervals====
{{MOS tunings|Step Ratios=6/5; 3/2; 4/3|JI Ratios=1/1;
The intervals of the extended generator chain (-15 to +15 generators) are as follows in various softer-than-soft oneirotonic tunings.
14/13;
{| class="wikitable right-2 right-3 sortable "
11/10;
|-
9/8;
! class="unsortable" | Degree
15/13;
! Size in 29edo (supersoft)
13/11;
! class="unsortable" | Approximate ratios (29edo)
14/11;
! #Gens up
13/10;
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
4/3;
| unison
15/11;
| 0\29, 0.00
7/5;
| 1/1
10/7;
| 0
22/15;
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
3/2;
| oneirochroma
20/13;
| 1\29, 41.4
11/7;
|
22/13;
| +8
26/15;
|-
16/9;
| dim. step
20/11;
| 2\29, 82.8
13/7;}}
|
| -13
|-
| minor step
| 3\29, 124.1
| 14/13
| -5
|-
| major step
| 4\29, 165.5
| 11/10
| +3
|-
| aug. step
| 5\29, 206.9
| 9/8
| +11
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| dim. 2-step
| 6\29, 248.3
| 15/13
| -10
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| minor 2-step
| 7\29, 289.7
| 13/11
| -2
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| major 2-step
| 8\29, 331.0
|
| +6
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| aug. 2-step
| 9\29, 372.4
|
| +14
|-
| doubly dim. 3-step
| 9\29, 372.4
|
| -15
|-
| dim. 3-step
| 10\29, 413.8
| 14/11
| -7
|-
| perf. 3-step
| 11\29, 455.2
| 13/10
| +1
|-
| aug. 3-step
| 12\29, 496.6
| 4/3
| +9
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| dim. 4-step
| 13\29, 537.9
| 15/11
| -12
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| minor 4-step
| 14\29, 579.3
| 7/5
| -4
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| major 4-step
| 15\29 620.7
| 10/7
| +4
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| aug. 4-step
| 16\29 662.1
| 22/15
| +12
|-
| dim. 5-step
| 17\29, 703.4
| 3/2
| -9
|-
| perf. 5-step
| 18\29, 755.2
| 20/13
| -1
|-
| aug. 5-step
| 19\29, 786.2
| 11/7
| +7
|-
| doubly aug. 5-step
| 20\29 827.6
|
| +15
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| dim. 6-step
| 20\29 827.6
|
| -14
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| minor 6-step
| 21\29 869.0
|
| -6
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| major 6-step
| 22\29, 910.3
| 22/13
| +2
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| aug. 6-step
| 23\29, 951.7
| 26/15
| +10
|-
| dim. 7-step
| 24\29, 993.1
| 16/9
| -11
|-
| minor 7-step
| 25\29, 1034.5
| 20/11
| -3
|-
| major 7-step
| 26\29, 1075.9
| 13/7
| +5
|-
| aug. 7-step
| 27\29, 1117.2
|
| +13
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| dim. 8-step
| 28\29, 1158.6
|
| -8
|}


===Parahard===
===Parahard tunings===
23edo oneiro combines the sound of neogothic tunings like [[46edo]] and the sounds of "superpyth" and "semaphore" scales. This is because 23edo oneirotonic has a large step of 208.7¢, same as [[46edo]]'s neogothic major second, and is both a warped [[22edo]] [[superpyth]] [[diatonic]] and a warped [[24edo]] [[semaphore]] [[semiquartal]] (and both nearby scales are [[superhard]] MOSes).
23edo oneiro combines the sound of neogothic tunings like [[46edo]] and the sounds of "superpyth" and "semaphore" scales. This is because 23edo oneirotonic has a large step of 208.7¢, same as [[46edo]]'s neogothic major second, and is both a warped [[22edo]] [[superpyth]] [[diatonic]] and a warped [[24edo]] [[semaphore]] [[semiquartal]] (and both nearby scales are [[superhard]] MOSes).


====Intervals====
{{MOS tunings|JI Ratios=1/1;
The intervals of the extended generator chain (-12 to +12 generators) are as follows in various oneirotonic tunings close to [[23edo]].
21/17;
{| class="wikitable right-2 right-3 sortable "
17/16;
|-
14/11;
! class="unsortable" | Degree
6/5;
! Size in 23edo (superhard)
21/16;
! class="unsortable" | Approximate ratios (23edo)
21/17;
! #Gens up
34/21;
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
32/21;
| unison
5/3;
| 0\23, 0.0
11/7;
| 1/1
32/17;
| 0
34/21;|Step Ratios=4/1}}
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| oneirochroma
| 3\23, 156.5
|
| +8
|-
| minor step
| 1\23, 52.2
|
| -5
|-
| major step
| 4\23, 208.7
|
| +3
|-
| aug. step
| 7\23, 365.2
| 21/17, inverse φ
| +11
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| dim. 2-step
| 2\23, 104.3
| 17/16
| -10
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| minor 2-step
| 5\23, 260.9
|
| -2
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| major 2-step
| 8\23, 417.4
| 14/11
| +6
|-
| dim. 3-step
| 6\23, 313.0
| 6/5
| -7
|-
| perf. 3-step
| 9\23, 469.6
| 21/16
| +1
|-
| aug. 3-step
| 12\23, 626.1
|
| +9
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| dim. 4-step
| 7\23, 365.2
| 21/17, inverse φ
| -12
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| minor 4-step
| 10\23, 521.7
|
| -4
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| major 4-step
| 13\23, 678.3
|
| +4
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| aug. 4-step
| 16\23, 834.8
| 34/21, φ
| +12
|-
| dim. 5-step
| 11\23, 573.9
|
| -9
|-
| perf. 5-step
| 14\23, 730.4
| 32/21
| -1
|-
| aug. 5-step
| 17\23, 887.0
| 5/3
| +7
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| minor 6-step
| 15\23 782.6
| 11/7
| -6
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| major 6-step
| 18\23, 939.1
|
| +2
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| aug. 6-step
| 21\23, 1095.7
| 32/17
| +10
|-
| dim. 7-step
| 16\23, 834.8
| 34/21, φ
| -11
|-
| minor 7-step
| 19\23, 991.3
|
| -3
|-
| major 7-step
| 22\23, 1147.8
|
| +5
|-
|- style="background-color: #eaeaff;"
| dim. 8-step
| 20\23, 1043.5
|
| -8
|}


=== Ultrahard ===
=== Ultrahard ===
[[Buzzard]] is an oneirotonic rank-2 temperament in the [[Step ratio|pseudopaucitonic]] range. It represents the only [[harmonic entropy]] minimum of the oneirotonic spectrum.
[[Buzzard]] is a rank-2 temperament in the [[Step ratio|pseudocollapsed]] range. It represents the only [[harmonic entropy]] minimum of the oneirotonic spectrum.


In the broad sense, Buzzard can be viewed as any tuning that divides the 3rd harmonic into 4 equal parts. [[23edo]], [[28edo]] and [[33edo]] can nominally be viewed as supporting it, but are still very flat and in an ambiguous zone between 18edo and true Buzzard in terms of harmonies. [[38edo]] & [[43edo]] are good compromises between melodic utility and harmonic accuracy, as the small step is still large enough to be obvious to the untrained ear, but [[48edo]] is where it really comes into its own in terms of harmonies, providing not only an excellent [[3/2]], but also [[7/4]] and [[The_Archipelago|archipelago]] harmonies, as by dividing the 5th in 4 it obviously also divides it in two as well.  
In the broad sense, Buzzard can be viewed as any tuning that divides the 3rd harmonic into 4 equal parts. [[23edo]], [[28edo]] and [[33edo]] can nominally be viewed as supporting it, but are still very flat and in an ambiguous zone between 18edo and true Buzzard in terms of harmonies. [[38edo]] & [[43edo]] are good compromises between melodic utility and harmonic accuracy, as the small step is still large enough to be obvious to the untrained ear, but [[48edo]] is where it really comes into its own in terms of harmonies, providing not only an excellent [[3/2]], but also [[7/4]] and [[The_Archipelago|archipelago]] harmonies, as by dividing the 5th in 4 it obviously also divides it in two as well.  
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Beyond that, it's a question of which intervals you want to favor. [[53edo]] has an essentially perfect [[3/2]], [[58edo]] gives the lowest overall error for the Barbados triads 10:13:15 and 26:30:39, while [[63edo]] does the same for the basic 4:6:7 triad. You could in theory go up to [[83edo]] if you want to favor the [[7/4]] above everything else, but beyond that, general accuracy drops off rapidly and you might as well be playing equal pentatonic.
Beyond that, it's a question of which intervals you want to favor. [[53edo]] has an essentially perfect [[3/2]], [[58edo]] gives the lowest overall error for the Barbados triads 10:13:15 and 26:30:39, while [[63edo]] does the same for the basic 4:6:7 triad. You could in theory go up to [[83edo]] if you want to favor the [[7/4]] above everything else, but beyond that, general accuracy drops off rapidly and you might as well be playing equal pentatonic.


The sizes of the generator, large step and small step of oneirotonic are as follows in various buzzard tunings.
{{MOS tunings|JI Ratios=1/1;
{| class="wikitable right-2 right-3 right-4 right-5"
8/7;
|-
13/10;
!
21/16;
! [[38edo]]
3/2;
! [[53edo]]
12/7, 22/13;
! [[63edo]]
26/15;
! Optimal ([[POTE]]) Buzzard tuning
49/25, 160/81;|Step Ratios=7/1; 10/1; 12/1}}
! JI intervals represented (2.3.5.7.13 subgroup)
|-
| generator (g)
| 15\38, 473.68
| 21\53, 475.47
| 25\63, 476.19
| 475.69
| 4/3 21/16
|-
| L (3g - octave)
| 7/38, 221.04
| 10/53, 226.41
| 12/63, 228.57
| 227.07
| 8/7
|-
| s (-5g + 2 octaves)
| 1/38, 31.57
| 1/53 22.64
| 1/63 19.05
| 21.55
| 50/49 81/80 91/90
|}
 
==== Intervals====
Sortable table of intervals in the Dylathian mode and their Buzzard interpretations:
 
{| class="wikitable right-2 right-3 right-4 right-5 sortable"
|-
! Degree
! Size in 38edo
! Size in 53edo
! Size in 63edo
! Size in POTE tuning
! class="unsortable" | Approximate ratios
! #Gens up
|-
| 1
| 0\38, 0.00
| 0\53, 0.00
| 0\63, 0.00
| 0.00
| 1/1
| 0
|-
| 2
| 7\38, 221.05
| 10\53, 226.42
| 12\63, 228.57
| 227.07
| 8/7
| +3
|-
| 3
| 14\38, 442.10
| 20\53, 452.83
| 24\63, 457.14
| 453.81
| 13/10
| +6
|-
| 4
| 15\38, 473.68
| 21\53, 475.47
| 25\63, 476.19
| 475.63
| 21/16
| +1
|-
| 5
| 22\38, 694.73
| 31\53, 701.89
| 37\63, 704.76
| 702.54
| 3/2
| +4
|-
| 6
| 29\38, 915.78
| 41\53, 928.30
| 49\63, 933.33
| 929.45
| 12/7, 22/13
| +7
|-
| 7
| 30\38, 947.36
| 42\53, 950.94
| 50\63, 952.38
| 951.27
| 26/15
| +2
|-
| 8
| 37\38, 1168.42
| 52\53, 1177.36
| 62\63, 1180.95
| 1178.18
| 49/25, 160/81
| +5
|}


== Approaches ==
== Approaches ==
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== Scale tree ==
== Scale tree ==
Generator ranges:
* Bright generator: 450 cents (3\8) to 480 cents (2\5)
* Dark generator: 720 cents (3\5) to 750 cents (5\8)
{{Scale tree}}
{{Scale tree}}


Revision as of 09:58, 7 September 2024

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Scale structure
Step pattern LLsLLsLs
sLsLLsLL
Equave 2/1 (1200.0 ¢)
Period 2/1 (1200.0 ¢)
Generator size
Bright 3\8 to 2\5 (450.0 ¢ to 480.0 ¢)
Dark 3\5 to 5\8 (720.0 ¢ to 750.0 ¢)
TAMNAMS information
Name oneirotonic
Prefix oneiro-
Abbrev. onei
Related MOS scales
Parent 3L 2s
Sister 3L 5s
Daughters 8L 5s, 5L 8s
Neutralized 2L 6s
2-Flought 13L 3s, 5L 11s
Equal tunings
Equalized (L:s = 1:1) 3\8 (450.0 ¢)
Supersoft (L:s = 4:3) 11\29 (455.2 ¢)
Soft (L:s = 3:2) 8\21 (457.1 ¢)
Semisoft (L:s = 5:3) 13\34 (458.8 ¢)
Basic (L:s = 2:1) 5\13 (461.5 ¢)
Semihard (L:s = 5:2) 12\31 (464.5 ¢)
Hard (L:s = 3:1) 7\18 (466.7 ¢)
Superhard (L:s = 4:1) 9\23 (469.6 ¢)
Collapsed (L:s = 1:0) 2\5 (480.0 ¢)
For the tritave-equivalent MOS structure with the same step pattern, see 5L 3s (3/1-equivalent).

5L 3s, named oneirotonic in TAMNAMS, is a 2/1-equivalent (octave-equivalent) moment of symmetry scale containing 5 large steps and 3 small steps, repeating every octave. Generators that produce this scale range from 450 ¢ to 480 ¢, or from 720 ¢ to 750 ¢. 5L 3s can be seen as a warped diatonic scale, because it has one extra small step compared to diatonic (5L 2s).

Name

TAMNAMS suggests the temperament-agnostic name oneirotonic as the name of 5L 3s. The name was originally used as a name for the 5L 3s scale in 13edo.

'Father' is sometimes also used to denote 5L 3s, but it's a misnomer, as father is technically an abstract regular temperament (although a very inaccurate one), not a generator range. There are father tunings which generate 3L 5s. A more correct but still not quite correct name would be 'father[8]' or 'father octatonic'. "Father" is also vague regarding the number of notes, because optimal generators for it also generate 3L 2s.

Proposed mode names

The following names have been proposed for the modes of 5L 3s, and are named after cities in the Dreamlands.

Modes of 5L 3s
UDP Cyclic
order		 Step
pattern
7|0 1 LLsLLsLs
6|1 4 LLsLsLLs
5|2 7 LsLLsLLs
4|3 2 LsLLsLsL
3|4 5 LsLsLLsL
2|5 8 sLLsLLsL
1|6 3 sLLsLsLL
0|7 6 sLsLLsLL

Scale properties

MOS data is deprecated. Please use the following templates individually: MOS intervals, MOS genchain, and MOS mode degrees

Tunings

Simple tunings

The simplest tuning for 5L 3s correspond to 13edo, 18edo, and 21edo, with step ratios 2:1, 3:1, and 3:2, respectively.


Simple Tunings of 5L 3s
Scale degree Abbrev. Basic (2:1)
13edo 		Hard (3:1)
18edo 		Soft (3:2)
21edo
Steps ¢ Steps ¢ Steps ¢
Perfect 0-oneirodegree P0oneid 0\13 0.0 0\18 0.0 0\21 0.0
Minor 1-oneirodegree m1oneid 1\13 92.3 1\18 66.7 2\21 114.3
Major 1-oneirodegree M1oneid 2\13 184.6 3\18 200.0 3\21 171.4
Minor 2-oneirodegree m2oneid 3\13 276.9 4\18 266.7 5\21 285.7
Major 2-oneirodegree M2oneid 4\13 369.2 6\18 400.0 6\21 342.9
Diminished 3-oneirodegree d3oneid 4\13 369.2 5\18 333.3 7\21 400.0
Perfect 3-oneirodegree P3oneid 5\13 461.5 7\18 466.7 8\21 457.1
Minor 4-oneirodegree m4oneid 6\13 553.8 8\18 533.3 10\21 571.4
Major 4-oneirodegree M4oneid 7\13 646.2 10\18 666.7 11\21 628.6
Perfect 5-oneirodegree P5oneid 8\13 738.5 11\18 733.3 13\21 742.9
Augmented 5-oneirodegree A5oneid 9\13 830.8 13\18 866.7 14\21 800.0
Minor 6-oneirodegree m6oneid 9\13 830.8 12\18 800.0 15\21 857.1
Major 6-oneirodegree M6oneid 10\13 923.1 14\18 933.3 16\21 914.3
Minor 7-oneirodegree m7oneid 11\13 1015.4 15\18 1000.0 18\21 1028.6
Major 7-oneirodegree M7oneid 12\13 1107.7 17\18 1133.3 19\21 1085.7
Perfect 8-oneirodegree P8oneid 13\13 1200.0 18\18 1200.0 21\21 1200.0

Hypohard tunings

Hypohard oneirotonic tunings have step ratios between 2:1 and 3:1 and can be considered "meantone oneirotonic". This is because these tunings share the following features with meantone diatonic tunings:

  • The large step is a "meantone", around the range of 10/9 to 9/8.
  • The major 2-mosstep is a meantone- to flattone-sized major third, thus is a stand-in for the classical diatonic major third.
  • With step ratios between 5:2 and 2:1, the minor 2-mosstep is close to 7/6.

The set of identifications above is associated with A-Team temperament.

EDOs that are in the hypohard range include 13edo, 18edo, and 31edo.

  • 13edo has characteristically small 1-mossteps of about 185¢. It is uniformly compressed 12edo, so it has distorted versions of non-diatonic 12edo scales. It essentially has the best 11/8 out of all hypohard tunings.
  • 18edo can be used for a large step ratio of 3, (thus 18edo oneirotonic is distorted 17edo diatonic, or for its nearly pure 9/8 and 7/6. It also makes rising fifths (733.3¢, a perfect 5-mosstep) and falling fifths (666.7¢, a major 4-mosstep) almost equally off from a just perfect fifth. 18edo is also more suited for conventionally jazz styles due to its 6-fold symmetry.
  • 31edo can be used to make the major 2-mosstep a near-just 5/4.
  • 44edo (generator 17\44 = 463.64¢), 57edo (generator 22\57 = 463.16¢), and 70edo (generator 27\70 = 462.857¢) offer a compromise between 31edo's major third and 13edo's 11/8 and 13/8. In particular, 70edo has an essentially pure 13/8.
Hypohard Tunings of 5L 3s
Scale degree Abbrev. Basic (2:1)
13edo 		Semihard (5:2)
31edo 		Hard (3:1)
18edo
Steps ¢ Steps ¢ Steps ¢
Perfect 0-oneirodegree P0oneid 0\13 0.0 0\31 0.0 0\18 0.0
Minor 1-oneirodegree m1oneid 1\13 92.3 2\31 77.4 1\18 66.7
Major 1-oneirodegree M1oneid 2\13 184.6 5\31 193.5 3\18 200.0
Minor 2-oneirodegree m2oneid 3\13 276.9 7\31 271.0 4\18 266.7
Major 2-oneirodegree M2oneid 4\13 369.2 10\31 387.1 6\18 400.0
Diminished 3-oneirodegree d3oneid 4\13 369.2 9\31 348.4 5\18 333.3
Perfect 3-oneirodegree P3oneid 5\13 461.5 12\31 464.5 7\18 466.7
Minor 4-oneirodegree m4oneid 6\13 553.8 14\31 541.9 8\18 533.3
Major 4-oneirodegree M4oneid 7\13 646.2 17\31 658.1 10\18 666.7
Perfect 5-oneirodegree P5oneid 8\13 738.5 19\31 735.5 11\18 733.3
Augmented 5-oneirodegree A5oneid 9\13 830.8 22\31 851.6 13\18 866.7
Minor 6-oneirodegree m6oneid 9\13 830.8 21\31 812.9 12\18 800.0
Major 6-oneirodegree M6oneid 10\13 923.1 24\31 929.0 14\18 933.3
Minor 7-oneirodegree m7oneid 11\13 1015.4 26\31 1006.5 15\18 1000.0
Major 7-oneirodegree M7oneid 12\13 1107.7 29\31 1122.6 17\18 1133.3
Perfect 8-oneirodegree P8oneid 13\13 1200.0 31\31 1200.0 18\18 1200.0

Hyposoft tunings

Hyposoft oneirotonic tunings have step ratios between 3:2 and 2:1, which remains relatively unexplored. In these tunings,

  • The large step of oneirotonic tends to be intermediate in size between 10/9 and 11/10; the small step size is a semitone close to 17/16, about 92¢ to 114¢.
  • The major 2-mosstep (made of two large steps) in these tunings tends to be more of a neutral third, ranging from 6\21 (342¢) to 4\13 (369¢).
  • 21edo's P1-L1ms-L2ms-L4ms approximates 9:10:11:13 better than the corresponding 13edo chord does. 21edo will serve those who like the combination of neogothic minor thirds (285.71¢) and Baroque diatonic semitones (114.29¢, close to quarter-comma meantone's 117.11¢).
  • 34edo's 9:10:11:13 is even better.

This set of JI identifications is associated with petrtri temperament. (P1-M1ms-P3ms could be said to approximate 5:11:13 in all soft-of-basic tunings, which is what "basic" petrtri temperament is.)


Hyposoft Tunings of 5L 3s
Scale degree Abbrev. Soft (3:2)
21edo 		Semisoft (5:3)
34edo 		Basic (2:1)
13edo
Steps ¢ Steps ¢ Steps ¢
Perfect 0-oneirodegree P0oneid 0\21 0.0 0\34 0.0 0\13 0.0
Minor 1-oneirodegree m1oneid 2\21 114.3 3\34 105.9 1\13 92.3
Major 1-oneirodegree M1oneid 3\21 171.4 5\34 176.5 2\13 184.6
Minor 2-oneirodegree m2oneid 5\21 285.7 8\34 282.4 3\13 276.9
Major 2-oneirodegree M2oneid 6\21 342.9 10\34 352.9 4\13 369.2
Diminished 3-oneirodegree d3oneid 7\21 400.0 11\34 388.2 4\13 369.2
Perfect 3-oneirodegree P3oneid 8\21 457.1 13\34 458.8 5\13 461.5
Minor 4-oneirodegree m4oneid 10\21 571.4 16\34 564.7 6\13 553.8
Major 4-oneirodegree M4oneid 11\21 628.6 18\34 635.3 7\13 646.2
Perfect 5-oneirodegree P5oneid 13\21 742.9 21\34 741.2 8\13 738.5
Augmented 5-oneirodegree A5oneid 14\21 800.0 23\34 811.8 9\13 830.8
Minor 6-oneirodegree m6oneid 15\21 857.1 24\34 847.1 9\13 830.8
Major 6-oneirodegree M6oneid 16\21 914.3 26\34 917.6 10\13 923.1
Minor 7-oneirodegree m7oneid 18\21 1028.6 29\34 1023.5 11\13 1015.4
Major 7-oneirodegree M7oneid 19\21 1085.7 31\34 1094.1 12\13 1107.7
Perfect 8-oneirodegree P8oneid 21\21 1200.0 34\34 1200.0 13\13 1200.0

Parasoft and ultrasoft tunings

The range of oneirotonic tunings of step ratio between 6:5 and 3:2 is closely related to porcupine temperament; these tunings equate three oneirotonic large steps to a diatonic perfect fourth, i.e. they equate the oneirotonic large step to a porcupine generator. The chord 10:11:13 is very well approximated in 29edo.


Soft Tunings of 5L 3s
Scale degree Abbrev. 6:5
45edo 		Supersoft (4:3)
29edo 		Soft (3:2)
21edo
Steps ¢ Steps ¢ Steps ¢
Perfect 0-oneirodegree P0oneid 0\45 0.0 0\29 0.0 0\21 0.0
Minor 1-oneirodegree m1oneid 5\45 133.3 3\29 124.1 2\21 114.3
Major 1-oneirodegree M1oneid 6\45 160.0 4\29 165.5 3\21 171.4
Minor 2-oneirodegree m2oneid 11\45 293.3 7\29 289.7 5\21 285.7
Major 2-oneirodegree M2oneid 12\45 320.0 8\29 331.0 6\21 342.9
Diminished 3-oneirodegree d3oneid 16\45 426.7 10\29 413.8 7\21 400.0
Perfect 3-oneirodegree P3oneid 17\45 453.3 11\29 455.2 8\21 457.1
Minor 4-oneirodegree m4oneid 22\45 586.7 14\29 579.3 10\21 571.4
Major 4-oneirodegree M4oneid 23\45 613.3 15\29 620.7 11\21 628.6
Perfect 5-oneirodegree P5oneid 28\45 746.7 18\29 744.8 13\21 742.9
Augmented 5-oneirodegree A5oneid 29\45 773.3 19\29 786.2 14\21 800.0
Minor 6-oneirodegree m6oneid 33\45 880.0 21\29 869.0 15\21 857.1
Major 6-oneirodegree M6oneid 34\45 906.7 22\29 910.3 16\21 914.3
Minor 7-oneirodegree m7oneid 39\45 1040.0 25\29 1034.5 18\21 1028.6
Major 7-oneirodegree M7oneid 40\45 1066.7 26\29 1075.9 19\21 1085.7
Perfect 8-oneirodegree P8oneid 45\45 1200.0 29\29 1200.0 21\21 1200.0

Parahard tunings

23edo oneiro combines the sound of neogothic tunings like 46edo and the sounds of "superpyth" and "semaphore" scales. This is because 23edo oneirotonic has a large step of 208.7¢, same as 46edo's neogothic major second, and is both a warped 22edo superpyth diatonic and a warped 24edo semaphore semiquartal (and both nearby scales are superhard MOSes).


Superhard Tuning of 5L 3s
Scale degree Abbrev. Superhard (4:1)
23edo
Steps ¢
Perfect 0-oneirodegree P0oneid 0\23 0.0
Minor 1-oneirodegree m1oneid 1\23 52.2
Major 1-oneirodegree M1oneid 4\23 208.7
Minor 2-oneirodegree m2oneid 5\23 260.9
Major 2-oneirodegree M2oneid 8\23 417.4
Diminished 3-oneirodegree d3oneid 6\23 313.0
Perfect 3-oneirodegree P3oneid 9\23 469.6
Minor 4-oneirodegree m4oneid 10\23 521.7
Major 4-oneirodegree M4oneid 13\23 678.3
Perfect 5-oneirodegree P5oneid 14\23 730.4
Augmented 5-oneirodegree A5oneid 17\23 887.0
Minor 6-oneirodegree m6oneid 15\23 782.6
Major 6-oneirodegree M6oneid 18\23 939.1
Minor 7-oneirodegree m7oneid 19\23 991.3
Major 7-oneirodegree M7oneid 22\23 1147.8
Perfect 8-oneirodegree P8oneid 23\23 1200.0

Ultrahard

Buzzard is a rank-2 temperament in the pseudocollapsed range. It represents the only harmonic entropy minimum of the oneirotonic spectrum.

In the broad sense, Buzzard can be viewed as any tuning that divides the 3rd harmonic into 4 equal parts. 23edo, 28edo and 33edo can nominally be viewed as supporting it, but are still very flat and in an ambiguous zone between 18edo and true Buzzard in terms of harmonies. 38edo & 43edo are good compromises between melodic utility and harmonic accuracy, as the small step is still large enough to be obvious to the untrained ear, but 48edo is where it really comes into its own in terms of harmonies, providing not only an excellent 3/2, but also 7/4 and archipelago harmonies, as by dividing the 5th in 4 it obviously also divides it in two as well.

Beyond that, it's a question of which intervals you want to favor. 53edo has an essentially perfect 3/2, 58edo gives the lowest overall error for the Barbados triads 10:13:15 and 26:30:39, while 63edo does the same for the basic 4:6:7 triad. You could in theory go up to 83edo if you want to favor the 7/4 above everything else, but beyond that, general accuracy drops off rapidly and you might as well be playing equal pentatonic.


Ultrahard Tunings of 5L 3s
Scale degree Abbrev. 7:1
38edo 		10:1
53edo 		12:1
63edo
Steps ¢ Steps ¢ Steps ¢
Perfect 0-oneirodegree P0oneid 0\38 0.0 0\53 0.0 0\63 0.0
Minor 1-oneirodegree m1oneid 1\38 31.6 1\53 22.6 1\63 19.0
Major 1-oneirodegree M1oneid 7\38 221.1 10\53 226.4 12\63 228.6
Minor 2-oneirodegree m2oneid 8\38 252.6 11\53 249.1 13\63 247.6
Major 2-oneirodegree M2oneid 14\38 442.1 20\53 452.8 24\63 457.1
Diminished 3-oneirodegree d3oneid 9\38 284.2 12\53 271.7 14\63 266.7
Perfect 3-oneirodegree P3oneid 15\38 473.7 21\53 475.5 25\63 476.2
Minor 4-oneirodegree m4oneid 16\38 505.3 22\53 498.1 26\63 495.2
Major 4-oneirodegree M4oneid 22\38 694.7 31\53 701.9 37\63 704.8
Perfect 5-oneirodegree P5oneid 23\38 726.3 32\53 724.5 38\63 723.8
Augmented 5-oneirodegree A5oneid 29\38 915.8 41\53 928.3 49\63 933.3
Minor 6-oneirodegree m6oneid 24\38 757.9 33\53 747.2 39\63 742.9
Major 6-oneirodegree M6oneid 30\38 947.4 42\53 950.9 50\63 952.4
Minor 7-oneirodegree m7oneid 31\38 978.9 43\53 973.6 51\63 971.4
Major 7-oneirodegree M7oneid 37\38 1168.4 52\53 1177.4 62\63 1181.0
Perfect 8-oneirodegree P8oneid 38\38 1200.0 53\53 1200.0 63\63 1200.0

Approaches

Samples

The Angels' Library by Inthar in the Sarnathian (23233233) mode of 21edo oneirotonic (score)

WT13C Prelude II (J Oneirominor) (score) – Simple two-part Baroque piece. It stays in oneirotonic even though it modulates to other keys a little.

(13edo, first 30 seconds is in J Celephaïsian)

(13edo, L Ilarnekian)

(by Igliashon Jones, 13edo, J Celephaïsian)

13edo Oneirotonic Modal Studies

Scale tree

Template:Scale tree

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