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205edo's step size is called a '''mem''' when used as an [[interval size unit]]. | |||
== Theory == | == Theory == | ||
205edo can serve as a tuning for various temperaments, such as [[amity]] or [[laka]], and supplies the [[optimal patent val]] for [[quanic]] in the 7-, 11-, 13-, 17- and 19- | Since {{nowrap|205 {{=}} 5 × 41}}, 205edo shares its [[3/2|fifth]] with [[41edo]]. It can serve as a tuning for various temperaments, such as [[amity]] or [[laka]], and supplies the [[optimal patent val]] for [[quanic]] in the 7-, 11-, 13-, 17- and 19-limit, and for 13-limit amity, as well as other temperaments [[tempering out]] the huntma, [[640/637]], the rank-5 temperament for which it also supplies the optimal patent val. | ||
In the 5-limit it tempers out 1600000/1594323, the [[amity comma]], and {{monzo| 38 -2 -15 }}, the [[hemithirds comma]], and is an excellent tuning for 5-limit amity. The [[patent val]] {{val| 205 325 476 576 709 759 }} tempers out [[4375/4374]], [[5120/5103]], [[6144/6125]] in the 7-limit; [[540/539]], 1331/1323, and 2420/2401 in the 11-limit; [[352/351]], [[640/637]], [[729/728]], [[847/845]], and [[1188/1183]] in the 13-limit. | In the 5-limit it tempers out 1600000/1594323, the [[amity comma]], and {{monzo| 38 -2 -15 }}, the [[hemithirds comma]], and is an excellent tuning for 5-limit amity. The [[patent val]] {{val| 205 325 476 576 709 759 }} tempers out [[4375/4374]], [[5120/5103]], [[6144/6125]] in the 7-limit; [[540/539]], 1331/1323, and 2420/2401 in the 11-limit; [[352/351]], [[640/637]], [[729/728]], [[847/845]], and [[1188/1183]] in the 13-limit. | ||
Using its alternative mapping {{val| 205 325 476 '''575''' }} (205d) it can also be used for [[hemithirds]] temperament. This extension tempers out [[385/384]], [[441/440]], and 3388/3375 in the 11-limit. The 13-limit version of this, {{val| 205 325 476 '''575''' 709 759 }} (205d), is especially noteworthy, where it tempers out [[196/195]] and [[1001/1000]]. Another 13-limit extension is {{val| 205 325 476 '''575''' 709 '''758''' }} (205df), where it adds [[325/324]] | Using its alternative mapping {{val| 205 325 476 '''575''' }} (205d) it can also be used for [[hemithirds]] temperament. This extension tempers out [[385/384]], [[441/440]], and 3388/3375 in the 11-limit. The 13-limit version of this, {{val| 205 325 476 '''575''' 709 759 }} (205d), is especially noteworthy, where it tempers out [[196/195]] and [[1001/1000]]. Another 13-limit extension is {{val| 205 325 476 '''575''' 709 '''758''' }} (205df), where it adds [[325/324]] and [[364/363]] to the comma list. | ||
Anyway, | Anyway, assuming the patent val, 205et tempers out 540/539, so that it allows [[swetismic chords]]; 729/728, so that it allows [[squbemic chords]]; [[640/637]], so that it allows [[huntmic chords]]; 352/351, so that it allows [[minthmic chords]]; 1188/1183, so that it allows [[kestrel chords]]; and 847/845, so that it allows the [[cuthbert triad]]. In the alternative 205df val, it allows [[marveltwin chords]], [[keenanismic chords]], [[gentle chords]], and [[werckismic chords]]. This makes it a tuning of exceptional fludity for its degree of accuracy. | ||
=== Odd harmonics === | === Odd harmonics === | ||
{{Harmonics in equal|205}} | {{Harmonics in equal|205|columns=11}} | ||
{{Harmonics in equal|205|columns=11|start=12|collapsed=1|title = Approximation of odd harmonics in 205edo (continued)}} | |||
=== Structural properties === | |||
205edo contains a very accurate approximation of the [[2.3.5.11 subgroup]], inheriting the perfect fifth from 41edo. The patent val mappings of primes 7 and 13 can then be found by mapping [[7/5]] to the Pythagorean diminished fifth, and [[13/11]] at the Pythagorean minor third, thus tempering out [[5120/5103]] and [[352/351]], as well as [[847/845]] and [[2080/2079]]. In fact, it is the last edo tempering out 5120/5103 to map both [[7/5]] and [[1024/729]] consistently. It also supports the [[counterpyth]] mapping of prime 19. | |||
Its step size represents several important intervals, such as the septimal kleisma [[225/224]], and the keenanisma [[385/384]]. Notably, the mappings of primes 5, 7, 11, 13, and 19 all differ from their nearest 41edo step by 1 step of 205edo, so 205edo can be considered as 41edo with fine-tuning, similarly to how [[217edo]] can be considered as 31edo with fine-tuning. The intervals [[11/10]], [[12/11]], [[13/12]], [[14/13]], and [[15/14]] are mapped equidistant, corresponding to [[121/120]], [[144/143]], [[169/168]], and [[196/195]] all being mapped to 2 steps. The mappings of 17 and 19 are accurate, with 15/14, [[16/15]], [[17/16]], [[18/17]], [[19/18]], and [[20/19]] all spaced apart from each other by one step. Overall, despite the sharpness of its 7 and 13, 205edo does fairly well in a range of prime limits. | |||
=== Temperament generators and Tonal Plexus === | === Temperament generators and Tonal Plexus === | ||
205edo is the default tuning for the [http://hpi.zentral.zone/tonalplexus Tonal Plexus midi controller]. See the [http://musictheory.zentral.zone/huntsystem1.html theory part] on the same website. Aside from the 24\205 generator of quanic, the 58\205 generator of amity, and the 33\205 generator of hemithirds, 205edo supplies an excellent [[meantone]] fifth in 119\205, an excellent [[myna]] generator in 53\205, and a very good [[porcupine]] generator with 28\205, which is also an excellent generator for the higher-limit extension porky, and when sliced in half to 14\205, can even be used for nautilus. These facts are all potentially of significance to anyone using a 205edo based system such as the Tonal Plexus. | 205edo is the default tuning for the [http://hpi.zentral.zone/tonalplexus Tonal Plexus midi controller]. See the [http://musictheory.zentral.zone/huntsystem1.html theory part] on the same website. Aside from the 24\205 generator of quanic, the 58\205 generator of amity, and the 33\205 generator of hemithirds, 205edo supplies an excellent [[meantone]] fifth in 119\205, an excellent [[myna]] generator in 53\205, and a very good [[porcupine]] generator with 28\205, which is also an excellent generator for the higher-limit extension porky, and when sliced in half to 14\205, can even be used for nautilus. These facts are all potentially of significance to anyone using a 205edo based system such as the Tonal Plexus. | ||
The 119\205 meantone fifth is extremely close to the 1/4-comma fifth, being only 0.007 cents sharp of it. Moreover the steps are half a cent flat of 1/4 of a syntonic comma. This makes the Tonal Plexus keyboard potentially of use in implementing [[Wikipedia: Nicola Vicentino|Nicola Vicentino]]'s [http://www.tonalsoft.com/monzo/vicentino/vicentino.aspx adaptive-JI scheme of 1555]. It also means that authentic 1/4-comma meantone tuning is, for practical purposes, available in 205 and allows for historically authentic performances of 1/4-comma music on the historically newfangled Tonal Plexus. | The 119\205 meantone fifth is extremely close to the [[1/4-comma meantone]] fifth, being only 0.007 cents sharp of it. Moreover the steps are half a cent flat of 1/4 of a syntonic comma. This makes the Tonal Plexus keyboard potentially of use in implementing [[Wikipedia: Nicola Vicentino|Nicola Vicentino]]'s [http://www.tonalsoft.com/monzo/vicentino/vicentino.aspx adaptive-JI scheme of 1555]. It also means that authentic 1/4-comma meantone tuning is, for practical purposes, available in 205 and allows for historically authentic performances of 1/4-comma music on the historically newfangled Tonal Plexus. | ||
=== | === Subsets and supersets === | ||
205 factors into primes as 5 × 41, a fact some advocates of the division make use of; it is also [[2460edo|2460/12]], so that a single step is precisely 12 [[mina]]s. | 205 factors into primes as [[5edo|5]] × [[41edo|41]], a fact some advocates of the division make use of; it is also [[2460edo|2460/12]], so that a single step is precisely 12 [[mina]]s. | ||
== Intervals == | |||
{{Interval table}} | |||
== Notation == | |||
=== Ups and downs === | |||
205edo can be notated with [[Ups and downs notation|ups and downs]] representing {{nowrap|5\205 {{=}} 1\41}}, and lifts and drops (written as / and \) representing 1\205. Alternatively, ups and downs represent 1\205 and the quintuple-arrow symbols quip and quid (> and <) represent {{nowrap|5\205 {{=}} 1\41}}. Both notations have the advantage of building on a familiarity with 41edo The first notation is especially useful for [[Kite guitar]]ists who want to notate microbends more precisely. | |||
{| class="wikitable" | |||
|- | |||
! 0 !! 1 !! 2 !! 3 !! 4 !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 11 !! 12 !! 13 !! 14 !! 15 !! 16 !! … | |||
|- | |||
| P1 || /1 || //1 || ^\\1 || ^\1 || ^1 || ^/1 || ^//1 || v\\m2 || v\m2 || vm2 || v/m2 || v//m2 || \\m2 || \m2 || m2 || /m2 || … | |||
|- | |||
| P1 | |||
| ^1 | |||
| ^^1 | |||
| ^^^1 | |||
| v>1 | |||
| >1 | |||
| ^>1 | |||
| ^^>1 | |||
| vv<m2 | |||
| v<m2 | |||
| <m2 | |||
| ^<m2 | |||
| vvvm2 | |||
| vvm2 | |||
| vm2 | |||
| m2 | |||
| ^m2 | |||
| | |||
|} | |||
== Regular temperament properties == | == Regular temperament properties == | ||
{| class="wikitable center-4 center-5 center-6" | {| class="wikitable center-4 center-5 center-6" | ||
! rowspan="2" | Subgroup | |- | ||
! rowspan="2" | [[Subgroup]] | |||
! rowspan="2" | [[Comma list]] | ! rowspan="2" | [[Comma list]] | ||
! rowspan="2" | [[Mapping]] | ! rowspan="2" | [[Mapping]] | ||
! rowspan="2" | Optimal<br>8ve stretch (¢) | ! rowspan="2" | Optimal<br />8ve stretch (¢) | ||
! colspan="2" | Tuning error | ! colspan="2" | Tuning error | ||
|- | |- | ||
! [[TE error|Absolute]] (¢) | ! [[TE error|Absolute]] (¢) | ||
! [[TE simple badness|Relative]] (%) | ! [[TE simple badness|Relative]] (%) | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 2.3.5 | | 2.3.5 | ||
| 1600000/1594323, {{monzo| 38 -2 -15 }} | | 1600000/1594323, {{monzo| 38 -2 -15 }} | ||
| | | {{mapping| 205 325 476 }} | ||
| | | −0.106 | ||
| 0.141 | | 0.141 | ||
| 2.41 | | 2.41 | ||
| Line 43: | Line 84: | ||
| 2.3.5.11 | | 2.3.5.11 | ||
| 5632/5625, 14641/14580, 1600000/1594323 | | 5632/5625, 14641/14580, 1600000/1594323 | ||
| | | {{mapping| 181 287 420 508 }} | ||
| | | −0.002 | ||
| 0.218 | | 0.218 | ||
| 3.72 | | 3.72 | ||
| Line 51: | Line 92: | ||
=== Rank-2 temperaments === | === Rank-2 temperaments === | ||
{| class="wikitable center-all left-5" | {| class="wikitable center-all left-5" | ||
|+Table of rank-2 temperaments by generator | |+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Table of rank-2 temperaments by generator | ||
! Periods<br>per | |- | ||
! Generator | ! Periods<br />per 8ve | ||
! Cents | ! Generator* | ||
! Associated<br>ratio | ! Cents* | ||
! | ! Associated<br />ratio* | ||
! Temperament | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
| Line 83: | Line 125: | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 5 | | 5 | ||
| 63\205<br>(19\205) | | 63\205<br />(19\205) | ||
| 368.780<br>(111.220) | | 368.780<br />(111.220) | ||
| | | 1024/891<br />(16/15) | ||
| [[ | | [[Quintosec]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 41 | | 41 | ||
| 66\205<br>(1\205) | | 66\205<br />(1\205) | ||
| 386.341<br>(5.85) | | 386.341<br />(5.85) | ||
| 5/4<br>(32805/32768) | | 5/4<br />(32805/32768) | ||
| [[ | | [[Countercomp]] | ||
|} | |} | ||
<nowiki />* [[Normal forms #Equave-reduced-generator form|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[normal forms #Minimal-generator form|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct | |||
== Scales == | == Scales == | ||
=== Quanic (24\205) | === Quanic (24\205) mos === | ||
; 17-note | |||
11 13 11 13 11 13 11 13 11 13 11 13 11 13 11 13 13 | : 11 13 11 13 11 13 11 13 11 13 11 13 11 13 11 13 13 | ||
; 26-note | |||
: 11 11 2 11 11 2 11 11 2 11 11 2 11 11 2 11 11 2 11 11 2 11 11 2 11 2 | |||
11 11 2 11 11 2 11 11 2 11 11 2 11 11 2 11 11 2 11 11 2 11 11 2 11 2 | |||
=== | === Amity (58\205) mos === | ||
; 11-note | |||
: 27 27 4 27 27 4 27 27 4 27 4 | |||
; 18-note | |||
: 23 4 23 4 4 23 4 23 4 4 23 4 23 4 4 23 4 4 | |||
; 25-note | |||
: 19 4 4 19 4 4 4 19 4 4 19 4 4 4 19 4 4 19 4 4 4 19 4 4 4 | |||
=== | === Hemithirds (33\205) mos === | ||
7 7 7 7 7 7 | ; 13-note | ||
: 26 7 26 7 26 7 26 7 26 7 26 7 7 | |||
; 19-note | |||
: 19 7 7 19 7 7 19 7 7 19 7 7 19 7 7 19 7 7 7 | |||
; 25-note | |||
: 12 7 7 7 12 7 7 7 12 7 7 7 12 7 7 7 12 7 7 7 12 7 7 7 7 | |||
; 31-notes | |||
: 5 7 7 7 7 5 7 7 7 7 5 7 7 7 7 5 7 7 7 7 5 7 7 7 7 5 7 7 7 7 7 | |||
=== | === Meantone (119\205) mos === | ||
7 7 7 7 7 7 7 | ; 12-note | ||
: 13 20 13 20 13 20 20 13 20 13 20 20 | |||
; 19-note | |||
: 13 13 7 13 13 7 13 13 7 13 7 13 13 7 13 13 7 13 7 | |||
; 31-note | |||
: 6 7 6 7 7 6 7 6 7 7 6 7 6 7 7 6 7 7 6 7 6 7 7 6 7 6 7 7 6 7 7 | |||
=== | === Myna (53\205) mos === | ||
; 11-note | |||
19 | : 7 7 39 7 7 39 7 7 39 7 39 | ||
; 15-note | |||
: 7 7 7 32 7 7 7 32 7 7 7 32 7 7 32 | |||
; 19-note | |||
: 7 7 7 7 25 7 7 7 7 25 7 7 7 7 25 7 7 7 25 | |||
; 23-note | |||
: 7 7 7 7 7 18 7 7 7 7 7 18 7 7 7 7 7 18 7 7 7 7 18 | |||
; 27-note | |||
: 7 7 7 7 7 7 11 7 7 7 7 7 7 11 7 7 7 7 7 7 11 7 7 7 7 7 11 | |||
; 31-note | |||
: 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 4 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 4 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 4 7 7 7 7 7 7 4 | |||
==== 22 note | === Porcupine (28\205) mos === | ||
10 9 9 10 9 9 10 9 9 10 9 9 10 9 9 10 9 9 10 9 9 9 | ; 15-note | ||
: 19 9 19 9 19 9 19 9 19 9 19 9 19 9 9 | |||
; 22-note | |||
: 10 9 9 10 9 9 10 9 9 10 9 9 10 9 9 10 9 9 10 9 9 9 | |||
; 29-note | |||
: 1 9 9 9 1 9 9 9 1 9 9 9 1 9 9 9 1 9 9 9 1 9 9 9 1 9 9 9 9 | |||
== | == External links == | ||
* [http://tonalsoft.com/enc/m/mem.aspx mem, 205-edo] on [[Tonalsoft Encyclopedia]] | |||
[[Category:Amity]] | [[Category:Amity]] | ||
[[Category:Hemithirds]] | [[Category:Hemithirds]] | ||
[[Category:Huntmic]] | |||
[[Category:Laka]] | [[Category:Laka]] | ||
[[Category:Quanic]] | [[Category:Quanic]] | ||