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I like how FREEZE is the name of the wikispaces to MediaWiki conversion engine! PiotrGrochowski (talk) 11:45, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

scala files

You know that you may upload files of each kind in MediaWiki? I'd suggest to transform the scala files into files instead of creating "very special pages" - it's also possible to embed these into normal pages. --Xenwolf (talk) 07:51, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

I would rather just make them pages - we would have to change every link and it would be difficult. Is there any reason why we would want them to be files? Mike Battaglia (talk) 13:13, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
I just tried to test it, but there seems to be something wrong with the scl extension, I'm getting this warning:
File extension ".scl" does not match the detected MIME type of the file (text/plain).
I tried to rename all to txt. But embedding seems not to be possible: SandBox#Embedding Text Files.
--Xenwolf (talk) 08:08, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Do they upload properly as scl? Mike Battaglia (talk) 13:39, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
It seems easy enough to paste them into a preformatted text block: Start with a " <nowiki>" (must include the leading space) and end with a "</nowiki>". See how I have just reformatted the scala definition that was embedded in Centaur. See also MediaWiki Help. Oak Blood Three () 14:32, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

concerning Category:IMPORTDEBUG - Change External Images

Embedding external images is possible in mediawiki. This I know for sure, read more in Manual:$wgAllowExternalImages - MediaWiki :) --Xenwolf (talk) 08:36, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Mediawiki embedded image support is weird in that you just type the URL. For example:
why would you say it's weird it's much more reasonable than that asterisk and hash list mess you type a website URL it becomes a link you type an image URL it becomes an image it's disabled by default for other reasons (talk) 16:28, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
If there are no embedded images, you'll see the same URL twice. But if they are turned on, that URL becomes a picture of a cat. So, *any* time someone types a URL for an image, with no wiki code or markup whatsoever, it becomes an embedded version of that image.
Kind of weird. We could enable it if we want it, but the bigger issue is that embedded external images break. Many of the old ones are broken on the old wiki. For this reason Mediawiki discourages external images - just upload the external image locally so you have a local copy of it. I tend to think this is a good idea... Mike Battaglia (talk) 13:34, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
I added a template:external image to keep the wiki text clean (automatic categorization included). --Xenwolf (talk) 11:38, 12 October 2018 (UTC)


Did you create the FREEZE engine? PiotrGrochowski (talk) 12:48, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

We were the ones who ported the content to Mediawiki, yes. Although we didn't call it the FREEZE engine, we were just saying that last revision was where we put a "freeze" on the original wikispaces wiki. But I kind of like this "FREEZE engine" name... :) Mike Battaglia (talk) 14:59, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Can FREEZE convert any html content, like the Acid3 test? What would happen? PiotrGrochowski (talk) 16:17, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
No, it was just for Wikispaces, but MediaWiki does support some HTML. What is that page? Mike Battaglia (talk) 16:24, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
The Acid tests (Acid1, Acid2 and Acid3) test the browser's support of CSS. Acid1 tests CSS1, and only old browsers like IE5 fail Acid1. Acid2 tests CSS2, and IE6 and IE7 failed Acid2, while IE8 passes it. Acid3 requires Javascript to run, and is more complex. IE7 renders it badly, IE8 gets 20/100 score, IE9 fails to apply text shadow, while IE10 passes. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 16:29, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
If it's "just for wikispaces", then how did FREEZE interpret pages like Interval calculator? What happens when you run FREEZE on dev:The Acid2 test?
Hi Piotr, I think there's a misunderstanding - it was just some stuff we did to port the Xenharmonic wiki from Wikispaces to MediaWiki. We didn't write something that is capable of processing all Wikispaces pages - it isn't an "engine" like you think. It was just us working a lot on this one wiki. Before we got rid of the old Wiki, we told everyone to FREEZE editing, so we used the word FREEZE to describe this is where the Wikispaces wiki was frozen. This is important because we don't want people to think we have some magic code engine for this. When there were `<script>` tags in the original page, we just got rid of them. But, we are going to re-add some of that stuff back in soon, using some workarounds to use JavaScript on Mediawiki. Mike Battaglia (talk) 19:59, 22 September 2018 (UTC)


Can you review each of the 17 incomplete articles and say which ones you are able to complete? PiotrGrochowski (talk) 16:22, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I'll take a look when I get some time... Mike Battaglia (talk) 16:24, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Ok, after that, tell me which ones you can or can't complete.PiotrGrochowski (talk) 18:28, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
It's night for me, 21:30 local time. I'll wake up at 7:00 localtime. Do the instructions! (talk) 19:30, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Heh, I'll look before I go to sleep tonight - only 3:32 PM here (15:32) :) Mike Battaglia (talk) 19:32, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
I wrote some more about extended meantone notation - no time to do the rest yet, as I need to continue working on site infrastructure. I'll look more later and know about most of these articles, but this will take some time... Mike Battaglia (talk) 01:52, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
Extended meantone notation STILL has that horrible notation that makes it incomplete. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 05:19, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure anybody's ever developed notational symbols for the diesis or kleisma. Would you like to try something? Mike Battaglia (talk) 05:58, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
See Talk:Extended meantone notation. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 06:01, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
How many of the incomplete articles have you reviewed? PiotrGrochowski (talk) 16:57, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
Not many yet, I am busy trying to get the site working now, but I will see if I can look at at least one tonight for you... Mike Battaglia (talk) 17:05, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Who made The Xen?

Who made The Xen? What does The Xen signify? PiotrGrochowski (talk) 16:42, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

I don't know, someone just put it as as a logo one day. Actually, I was thinking of having a new logo contest on Facebook, since the current logo doesn't seem to be connected to anything at all... Mike Battaglia (talk) 16:58, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
When was a Coming soon with The Xen in the middle, it's like you wanted people to pray to The Xen! PiotrGrochowski (talk) 17:08, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
I like the logo. I wonder if it was inspired by chladni plates. Tyler (talk) 07:54, 25 September 2018 (UTC)


While you're at restoring the admins to life, I created adminlist to archive the list of "Organizer" in case xenharmonic is lost due do wikispaces closing. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 18:24, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Sweet! Thanks - Mike Battaglia (talk) 19:02, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Jlmoriart, a new user, is admin! Add him! PiotrGrochowski (talk) 19:28, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Got him, thank you :) - Mike Battaglia (talk) 19:32, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Unconfirming 94edo's email

Why do you repeatedly unconfirm 94edo's email at Do you not like this tuning? And Talk:Bugs got a new bug, which you may have missed because of that bug... PiotrGrochowski (talk) 05:56, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

We just keep resetting it, and because we saved it in a state where your email was unconfirmed, it thinks it's unconfirmed again every time we reset it. Next time I reset it, I'll ask you to confirm your email and save that as the new starting point, so we you don't have to re-confirm every time we reset. Mike Battaglia (talk) 06:01, 25 September 2018 (UTC)


How are you gonna merge it to es: if there seems to be lots of English content in purdal:?

Quote: "Purdal is a unit of measure for musical intervals, suggested by Osmiorisbendi, which is the Ditave (2/1, the 'Octave') divided into 9900 equal parts. The Purdals are shown as a reliable and very consistent to idealize any musical system, whether just or temperate.

The purpose that it have is for the need of precise with better quality in its presentation, those 'EDDs' who have a quantity equal to a prime number of intervals and systems until 990 steps per Ditave, only requiring 2 decimals for a basic precision. The 12-EDD contains 825 Purdals in each semitone; Each Purdal is equivalent to 4/33 of a Cent (0.12 Cents), and 1 Cent is 8.25 Purdals."

PiotrGrochowski (talk) 18:57, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

I don't know yet, maybe we'll merge it to both. It really doesn't need to be its own wiki, we just saved it because someone had made it, and we figured, why not. Mike Battaglia (talk) 19:22, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
What does it mean that your edits to the talk page are "updated since your last visit"? PiotrGrochowski (talk) 19:27, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
Not sure. I accidentally deleted your edit to my page, then un-deleted it, so maybe it gave you a notificaton about that. Mike Battaglia (talk) 19:41, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
Here is a screenshot of a page that you "updated since your last visit": PiotrGrochowski (talk) 06:48, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

WS archive

great - I see that you got the idea. The template helps us to "buy time" for the visual effects. --Xenwolf (talk) 22:01, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

The time machine

"This is the time machine. If you're banned from, you absolutely MUST go there.

Time is frozen in the time machine. Files have no time to load. Even the skin is Timeless." (from dev:Xenharmonic Wiki:About)

Did you intentionally make the time machine for banned people like me? PiotrGrochowski (talk) 17:38, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Value of MediaWiki:Otherlanguages

Hi Mike,
The value of MediaWiki:Otherlanguages is currently "Translate this page". I find this misleading and suggest to set it to "Languages". Then it's of course time to rename the section with the four static links to the "homepages" from "Languages" to "Homepages" (and better remove the English one). I'd do that if you agree to the change.
--Xenwolf (talk) 01:59, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Wolf - sounds good to me. I made the change myself to make it more descriptive, but I don't think it worked. Feel free to change it however you think is best - Mike Battaglia (talk) 04:58, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

An outdate links to the retro wiki site, when it should link to the modern one PiotrGrochowski (info, talk, contribs) 13:54, 14 October 2018 (UTC)


why did you delete my user page?! 05:24, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Interval summary

wouldn't it be better to move the page Interval summary to User:PiotrGrochowski/Interval summary? It's one of his questionable comparison projects. --Xenwolf (talk) 21:06, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, I would just put them in his userspace Mike Battaglia (talk) 21:15, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Done. --Xenwolf (talk) 21:31, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Dictionary of users by languages

Hi Mike, Please have a look on "Xenharmonic Wiki talk:What languages do various users know?". What's your opinion? --Xenwolf (talk) 22:05, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Eh, I think this should just go on each user page. No real need for it Mike Battaglia (talk) 02:49, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Although could be useful to see who can help with the language wikis. I'm neutral on it Mike Battaglia (talk) 03:10, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Enabling User scripts

Hi Mike,
Hope you are well. Would it be possible to enable user scripts (I'm talking about things like User:Xenwolf/vector.js)? I think this will not harm anybody besides the user themselves. As I saw, the preview (when creating or editing the script itself) works but finally the saved script seemingly isn't included. It seems like scripts are currenty not enabled (which is the default setting), the configuration is done in LocalSettings.php via $wgAllowUserJs.

Thanks for having a look into it.
--Xenwolf (talk) 16:35, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

- I will look into this - what are the user scripts for? Also, if I don't see this, you can message me on FB - Mike Battaglia (talk) 07:57, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

It's basically for testing possible useful additions to MediaWiki:Common.js (look Wikipedia's Common.js for a real-world example). There are some thing I'm personally interested in (with changing focus). I just often get stopped here because it's disabled. I'm not longer active on FB and also don't want to change this. I'll keep an eye on mein E-Mail inbox and the Special:RecentChanges.
Thanks so far --Xenwolf (talk) 08:32, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
In Wikipedia:User scripts #A word about security, you can read that the necessary safety precautions have been taken. --Xenwolf (talk) 10:20, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
And in Manual:Interface/JavaScript), I read: If $wgAllowUserJs is set to true, users can customize the interface for only themselves by creating and importing personal scripts in user subpages [...]
(hope I got this right)
--Xenwolf (talk) 11:07, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
It looks like the thing you want was already set. Have you tried using it? Mike Battaglia (talk) 20:29, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Yes it is. Now I'm getting it. Thanks for your support and patience :) --Xenwolf (talk) 21:00, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
One more point to think about <source> alias <syntaxhighligh> would be really great. I already added some Python and wish to do more of this (also Perl). And the readability would be significantly increased by syntax highlighting.
Thanks in advance --Xenwolf (talk) 08:32, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

The brackets ...

... in template:monzo and template:val may look nice, but they make problems for copy&paste. Seemingly most fonts do not have glyphs for the code points U+27E8 and U+27E8. 🙁 --Xenwolf (talk) 22:28, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

They also look not very good, the stroke widths are not well balanced and the vertical alignment isn't satisfying. It's not the worst thing, since templates concentrate the work to one point and thus allow to postpone action. --Xenwolf (talk) 23:10, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
You may want to tell this to User:Cmloegcmluin, since it is he who made the change after talking about it on the FC group. Two members (Cmloegcmluin and Dave Keenan) suggested that the "true" glyphs for bra-ket notation were the Unicode ones, and indeed in most of the nicely LaTeX'd theory papers so far, those symbols have been used, so I changed it. If it causes problems for copy and paste perhaps we can put it back (or perhaps there is a way to change the copy/paste text with CSS or something). I am not sure if there is a "mathematical square bracket" unicode glyph to balance the "mathematical right angle" glyph... Mike Battaglia (talk) 18:34, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks so far. Let's see how it works out. Having them in the template does no harm (can be easily changed in future). In my opinion the symbols look better the < and >. Maybe in math-related articles it's anyway better to switch to <math>. --Xenwolf (talk) 20:04, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

source code boxes for several languages

Hi Mike,
Do you know the extension syntax highlighting? It's stable and used in all Wikipedias. I think we have a lot of places where it would help to simplify wiki editing. The *.scl scale pages, some maple (Wikipedia currently emulates it by mupad) code and additions of helpful tools in Python, Perl and JavaScript. I'd like to see it added to the wiki. Would you please have a look at this (if you find the time)? Thanks --Xenwolf (talk) 17:26, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussion about KISS notation

Hi Mike,

can you please have a look on this topic: Talk:KISS notation#Middle C. Thanks. --Xenwolf (talk) 20:00, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Notation for 159edo

Hello, Mike! It's me, Dawson. I'm working on a system of accidentals for 159edo, since I plan on using this particular EDO a lot. This is what I have so far, but I suspect the system could use some work:

159edo Notation.png

Hey Mike! Sorry I didn't sign the previous comment, but yes, it's me again. I hope to hear back from you on this soon. --Aura (talk) 18:22, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Looks good Dawson, make a page for it! Mike Battaglia (talk) 03:09, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm glad you like it, but I'm thinking it needs to be clearer than it is first... I spoke to Xenwolf about it and he had questions. Right now, I'm looking for ways to improve what I have before I finalize things... I think we ought to continue this discussion on his talk page for now. We can bring the conversation back here later if need be. --Aura (talk) 03:34, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
So Mike, Xenwolf and I got the 159edo notation page up. I'm hoping to get some more feedback on the possibility of extending this system to the 13-limit, and, the idea of potentially branching out from 159edo to cover all of the edos between 53edo and 171edo. Of course, this kind of extension would likely go hand in hand with an upgrade to the SHEFKHED interval naming system to cover these same EDOs... --Aura (talk) 22:30, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Extension request

I would be very happy if we could add two extensions to this Wiki:

1) Extension:SyntaxHighlight - MediaWiki - there are a lot of code boxes (maple, python etc.) that could benefit from it
2) Extension:ImageMap - MediaWiki - maps of intervals and such could be easily linked to articles

this is not something I would like to see implemented overnight (I've been considering this request for several months anyway), but I think it's worth giving it some serious thought. Both extensions have been on board in Wikipedia practically from the beginning and seem to behave in a disciplined manner.

Thanks in advance for the effort --Xenwolf (talk) 18:19, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Wolf - this is alright with me. Tyler would be the better person to ask right now to implement... Mike Battaglia (talk) 03:09, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Interval Naming System Extension

Excuse me for bringing up another topic so soon, but I think we should consider extending the SHEFKHED system out to 171edo- with the main reason for not going further than this having everything to do with the need for the steps of the EDO to be more than 7 cents apart on account of anything smaller than that leaving less than an unnoticeable comma's worth of distance in cents between the edo step proper and the beginning of the adjacent step. While we're at it, I've also come up with an rudimentary chart to help label the diatonic and paradiatonic functions of the various intervals as well...

Diatonic Function Map (Version 3).png

I hope you like these proposals of mine... Before I forget, I should point out that a more refined version of this chart can be used to locate just intervals, meaning that it can be used the base image for interval maps using the Extension:ImageMap - MediaWiki plugin that Xenwolf mentioned... --Aura (talk) 03:51, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

BTW: this was one thing I had in mind. But, to be honest, this picture is extremely large and has a unusual upright format. It is really a good start but not great for an image map. An image should not exceed the size of most displays (should I ask if I'm the only one who still uses desktop computers?). Fonts of course should not be too small. If we combine these two aspects we get a natural limitation for the information an image may hold in an accessible manner. It's true that am image is worth a thousand words but not able to tell you a whole novel. In conclusion, I believe that an infographics should always develop something like a "face", i.e. memorable features, because this way its message is much better remembered. I think that the reason why the image formats "Landscape" and "Portrait" have been established is exactly here. --Xenwolf (talk) 07:36, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
For the record, I'm most comfortable with a desktop computer myself, and my main concern was displaying the smaller regions, such as the subcommatic and supercommatic regions, as well as the dominant and serviant regions. I also figured that one needed to see the small gap between 3/2- which forms the core of the dominant region- and the 700 cent marker, which also falls in the dominant region by virtue of being an unnoticeable comma's worth of distance away from 3/2. How would you improve this picture in order to make an image map? --Aura (talk) 10:15, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
First, I'd try to figure out what to show and what to leave out. I think it's impossible to show all aspects in one picture. --Xenwolf (talk) 13:14, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Space Tour

Hey Mike, I just recently completed a huge 20-minute song called "Space Tour". I wonder if you have any thoughts about it... --Aura (talk) 22:58, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

the redirect makes sense

Hi Mike, a redirect page Mike Battaglia makes absolutely sense. This way it's much easier to link the author of pieces (or tests) as it is normally done in music sections on edo pages etc. Are you okay with that? --Xenwolf (talk) 07:54, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

OK, if there are already links like that, let's just leave the redirect in then. Mike Battaglia (talk) 04:06, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


I've sent a join request to the Xen wiki work group on FB. However, I think it would be ideal if more of the discussion could be seen on the wiki where it's visible by the Discord users, so that people can reach an agreement quicker. I should have been more careful about getting more established RTT opinions before changing more central RTT-related pages.

My (and User:Godtone's) edits were mainly on MOS-related pages, and my approach has been to add new stuff, mostly naming and MOS data, and to try out a new presentation for the material. You can also talk to User:Godtone and User:SupahstarSaga to get more "Discordian" opinions. Inthar (talk) 22:54, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Also, an important thing about my proposed "RTT restriction policy" is that it's not really so much a restriction policy, as an modularization policy to better separate RTT info from non-RTT info where things can be described without RTT. (I doubt that simply discussing the relative goodness of prime approximations in an edo needs RTT, for instance.) And I should have framed it that way instead. Inthar (talk) 23:22, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Your various points on the discussion page for Inthar's MV3 stuff raise questions as to what types of 2-MODMOS count as being examples of a 3-MOS, and similarly, what types of 3-MODMOS count as being examples of a 4-MOS. I'm looking at the Dualharmonic Ionian Scale (1/1, 9/8, 5/4, 4/3, 3/2, 27/16, 15/8, 2/1), which I mention on the 5L 2s Muddles page, and wondering how to properly classify it based on the more strict definition of a 2-MODMOS being either a different arrangement of a 2-MOS's preexisting step sizes, or a modification of a single 2-MOS step by a chroma. Regardless, I see now that I need to both move and rewrite the page, but I don't know how to do any of this properly. Do you think you have time to help me on this if Inthar doesn't? --Aura (talk) 02:35, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Questions about 3-MOSes and 3-MODMOSes

Your various points on the discussion page for Inthar's MV3 stuff raise questions as to what types of 2-MODMOS count as being examples of a 3-MOS, and similarly, what types of 3-MODMOS count as being examples of a 4-MOS. I'm looking at the Dualharmonic Ionian Scale (1/1, 9/8, 5/4, 4/3, 3/2, 27/16, 15/8, 2/1), which I mention on the 5L 2s Muddles page, and wondering how to properly classify it based on the more strict definition of a 2-MODMOS being either a different arrangement of a 2-MOS's preexisting step sizes, or a modification of a single 2-MOS step by a chroma. Regardless, I see now that I need to both move and rewrite the page, but I don't know how to do any of this properly. Do you think you have time to help me on this if Inthar doesn't? --Aura (talk) 02:36, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure if "3-MOS" is the best term, but I was informally using it for scales that are generated by stacking two generators in alternating sequence until you get exactly three of each interval size. Once the math is all put together you folks can figure out what is best to call it. I don't really care if the term is extended to include "at most 3" of each interval size, similar to how MOS is sometimes used, although that leads to some complication with how the generators work. I have never heard these two "strict definitions" of a 2-MODMOS you talk about - I am the one who wrote much of the material on MODMOS's and never intended for the definition to be so strict; the first definition would make the harmonic minor scale not be a MODMOS, for instance, which I always intended for it to be, and likewise with the double harmonic scale in your second definition. Mike Battaglia (talk) 05:52, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Between the two of them, yeah, I don't consider the double harmonic scale a 2-MODMOS. It's just a type of scale that sounds good. I do use both definitions as a way of including all the heptatonic scales that are considered proper in 12edo. --Aura (talk) 06:03, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure how you just "don't consider" it that way; this is what the term means and what it meant when I created that page. Have you thought about using a different term that means what you want it to mean? Mike Battaglia (talk) 06:09, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
How then do you isolate the more special scales derived from the diatonic scale, like the harmonic minor scale, the harmonic major scale, the melodic scale, and the greater Neapolitan scale? I mean, in those cases, the modifications are obvious, whereas in modifying a MOS enough times, it eventually ceases to be recognizable as a MODMOS, even if it does technically still meet the definition. --Aura (talk) 06:12, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
For any MODMOS you can always look at a few important metrics: how many alterations were made, how many generators it takes to get to the entire MODMOS, etc, all of which increase as you alter things to infinity. You can use whatever term you want to refer to single-alteration MODMOS's - go ahead and coin one, if you like. The term MODMOS is "permissive" in that refers to the entire set of scales that are obtainable in this way; people will of course only focus on the most important ones. Mike Battaglia (talk) 06:46, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
I'd gladly do so... if I could think of a name... --Aura (talk) 07:20, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
I brought this up to Supahstar Saga, and he came up with the term "1-Chroma MODMOS". From there, we can classify MODMOSes in terms of how many chromas they are different from the regular MOS. --Aura (talk) 21:43, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
I also came up with the term "Metathetic MODMOS" for cases like the Greater Neapolitan scale, which have the same number of large and small steps as the original MOS (in this case the Diatonic scale), but have them put in a different order. --Aura (talk) 21:45, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
Sounds good to me! Mike Battaglia (talk) 21:49, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Commas and New Cataloguing Strategies

Hey, Mike, I heard you're coming up with new cataloguing strategies for temperaments, and that dealing with commas is not part of this. Is that true? I mean, I've spent a bunch of time looking at commas and seeing what they have to offer. I was at least hoping that commas could still be used in checking for things like telicity, however, that might be just a pipe dream. --Aura (talk) 18:26, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Anything can always be analyzed in terms of either commas or mappings, so I'm not sure what the confusion is about. The thing we're doing (basically just the completion of the "Subgroup Clan/Family/etc" project) can be analyzed similarly in several ways. Of course even if we weren't using commas (and there are some other interesting methods which are less comma-based), you never need to ask my "permission" to use commas...? Mike Battaglia (talk) 21:50, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
Hmm, the way FloraC was talking about it on discord made it seem like you weren't planning on using commas and that pages like The Archipelago and The Nexus would be obsolete. --Aura (talk) 03:29, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
I said "commatic realms will be deprecated" because I interpreted their words as they once came up with the scheme but it didn't work out. FloraC (talk) 05:40, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Ah. No, of course there can always be multiple categorization schemes (my pronouns are he/him btw) Mike Battaglia (talk) 22:21, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Diamond-mos notation

It's finally here! We're still looking for some fresh pairs of eyes, so we would appreciate it if you could give us feedback. Inthar (talk) 02:23, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Wow, very interesting! I think it's a neat idea. No real complaints, although I prefer having #/b be the MOS chroma rather than the diatonic chroma (which is what I did in my KISS notation). But I guess it's just a matter of personal taste... Mike Battaglia (talk) 03:21, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks! We thought it was a good idea to not give #/b new meanings, otherwise people would have to remember that #/b means a different alteration in a nondiatonic context, and "#6" in modmos and chord names would be ambiguous as to whether it refers to a fifth-based sharp or a nondiatonic moschroma. Inthar (talk) 04:43, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Gotcha. I wish you'd have gone with something a little bit more verbose than & and @, as I will probably forget which is which. Something like ^ and v, or + and -, or resurrect the old \ and /. Also, I think there are plenty of pages on the wiki which use #/b in different ways, so I would suggest being clear that not every single thing is using your notation system. Mike Battaglia (talk) 07:10, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Known languages

Hi! I was looking at Xenharmonic_Wiki:What_languages_do_various_users_know? and found you in the list. Since that page was deprecated, you might want to add the appropriate user language categories to your user page instead. For example, if you're a native English speaker, add [[Category:User en-N]]. For more information, see [1] or just ask me! Fredg999 (talk) 00:13, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Request for help on a new microtonal theory

Mike, I know that you have much more experience in microtones than I do, so I would like you to take a look at my new microtonal theory, Intervallic Polarity. This is something that I think has useful implications, but right now, its definition is a bit shaky and also quite subjective. If you are willing, I would really appreciate it if you could give me your thoughts on this theory or maybe even help me refine and expand upon its definition. Best regards, Userminusone (talk) 21:53, 1 August 2021 (UTC)