User talk:Mike Battaglia

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I like how FREEZE is the name of the wikispaces to MediaWiki conversion engine! PiotrGrochowski (talk) 11:45, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

scala files

You know that you may upload files of each kind in MediaWiki? I'd suggest to transform the scala files into files instead of creating "very special pages" - it's also possible to embed these into normal pages. --Xenwolf (talk) 07:51, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

I would rather just make them pages - we would have to change every link and it would be difficult. Is there any reason why we would want them to be files? Mike Battaglia (talk) 13:13, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
I just tried to test it, but there seems to be something wrong with the scl extension, I'm getting this warning:
File extension ".scl" does not match the detected MIME type of the file (text/plain).
I tried to rename all to txt. But embedding seems not to be possible: SandBox#Embedding Text Files.
--Xenwolf (talk) 08:08, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Do they upload properly as scl? Mike Battaglia (talk) 13:39, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
It seems easy enough to paste them into a preformatted text block: Start with a " <nowiki>" (must include the leading space) and end with a "</nowiki>". See how I have just reformatted the scala definition that was embedded in Centaur. See also MediaWiki Help. Oak Blood Three () 14:32, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

concerning Category:IMPORTDEBUG - Change External Images

Embedding external images is possible in mediawiki. This I know for sure, read more in Manual:$wgAllowExternalImages - MediaWiki :) --Xenwolf (talk) 08:36, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Mediawiki embedded image support is weird in that you just type the URL. For example:
why would you say it's weird it's much more reasonable than that asterisk and hash list mess you type a website URL it becomes a link you type an image URL it becomes an image it's disabled by default for other reasons (talk) 16:28, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
If there are no embedded images, you'll see the same URL twice. But if they are turned on, that URL becomes a picture of a cat. So, *any* time someone types a URL for an image, with no wiki code or markup whatsoever, it becomes an embedded version of that image.
Kind of weird. We could enable it if we want it, but the bigger issue is that embedded external images break. Many of the old ones are broken on the old wiki. For this reason Mediawiki discourages external images - just upload the external image locally so you have a local copy of it. I tend to think this is a good idea... Mike Battaglia (talk) 13:34, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
I added a template:external image to keep the wiki text clean (automatic categorization included). --Xenwolf (talk) 11:38, 12 October 2018 (UTC)


Did you create the FREEZE engine? PiotrGrochowski (talk) 12:48, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

We were the ones who ported the content to Mediawiki, yes. Although we didn't call it the FREEZE engine, we were just saying that last revision was where we put a "freeze" on the original wikispaces wiki. But I kind of like this "FREEZE engine" name... :) Mike Battaglia (talk) 14:59, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Can FREEZE convert any html content, like the Acid3 test? What would happen? PiotrGrochowski (talk) 16:17, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
No, it was just for Wikispaces, but MediaWiki does support some HTML. What is that page? Mike Battaglia (talk) 16:24, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
The Acid tests (Acid1, Acid2 and Acid3) test the browser's support of CSS. Acid1 tests CSS1, and only old browsers like IE5 fail Acid1. Acid2 tests CSS2, and IE6 and IE7 failed Acid2, while IE8 passes it. Acid3 requires Javascript to run, and is more complex. IE7 renders it badly, IE8 gets 20/100 score, IE9 fails to apply text shadow, while IE10 passes. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 16:29, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
If it's "just for wikispaces", then how did FREEZE interpret pages like Interval calculator? What happens when you run FREEZE on dev:The Acid2 test?
Hi Piotr, I think there's a misunderstanding - it was just some stuff we did to port the Xenharmonic wiki from Wikispaces to MediaWiki. We didn't write something that is capable of processing all Wikispaces pages - it isn't an "engine" like you think. It was just us working a lot on this one wiki. Before we got rid of the old Wiki, we told everyone to FREEZE editing, so we used the word FREEZE to describe this is where the Wikispaces wiki was frozen. This is important because we don't want people to think we have some magic code engine for this. When there were `<script>` tags in the original page, we just got rid of them. But, we are going to re-add some of that stuff back in soon, using some workarounds to use JavaScript on Mediawiki. Mike Battaglia (talk) 19:59, 22 September 2018 (UTC)


Can you review each of the 17 incomplete articles and say which ones you are able to complete? PiotrGrochowski (talk) 16:22, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I'll take a look when I get some time... Mike Battaglia (talk) 16:24, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Ok, after that, tell me which ones you can or can't complete.PiotrGrochowski (talk) 18:28, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
It's night for me, 21:30 local time. I'll wake up at 7:00 localtime. Do the instructions! (talk) 19:30, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Heh, I'll look before I go to sleep tonight - only 3:32 PM here (15:32) :) Mike Battaglia (talk) 19:32, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
I wrote some more about extended meantone notation - no time to do the rest yet, as I need to continue working on site infrastructure. I'll look more later and know about most of these articles, but this will take some time... Mike Battaglia (talk) 01:52, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
Extended meantone notation STILL has that horrible notation that makes it incomplete. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 05:19, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure anybody's ever developed notational symbols for the diesis or kleisma. Would you like to try something? Mike Battaglia (talk) 05:58, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
See Talk:Extended meantone notation. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 06:01, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
How many of the incomplete articles have you reviewed? PiotrGrochowski (talk) 16:57, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
Not many yet, I am busy trying to get the site working now, but I will see if I can look at at least one tonight for you... Mike Battaglia (talk) 17:05, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Who made The Xen?

Who made The Xen? What does The Xen signify? PiotrGrochowski (talk) 16:42, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

I don't know, someone just put it as as a logo one day. Actually, I was thinking of having a new logo contest on Facebook, since the current logo doesn't seem to be connected to anything at all... Mike Battaglia (talk) 16:58, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
When was a Coming soon with The Xen in the middle, it's like you wanted people to pray to The Xen! PiotrGrochowski (talk) 17:08, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
I like the logo. I wonder if it was inspired by chladni plates. Tyler (talk) 07:54, 25 September 2018 (UTC)


While you're at restoring the admins to life, I created adminlist to archive the list of "Organizer" in case xenharmonic is lost due do wikispaces closing. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 18:24, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Sweet! Thanks - Mike Battaglia (talk) 19:02, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Jlmoriart, a new user, is admin! Add him! PiotrGrochowski (talk) 19:28, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Got him, thank you :) - Mike Battaglia (talk) 19:32, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Unconfirming 94edo's email

Why do you repeatedly unconfirm 94edo's email at Do you not like this tuning? And Talk:Bugs got a new bug, which you may have missed because of that bug... PiotrGrochowski (talk) 05:56, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

We just keep resetting it, and because we saved it in a state where your email was unconfirmed, it thinks it's unconfirmed again every time we reset it. Next time I reset it, I'll ask you to confirm your email and save that as the new starting point, so we you don't have to re-confirm every time we reset. Mike Battaglia (talk) 06:01, 25 September 2018 (UTC)


How are you gonna merge it to es: if there seems to be lots of English content in purdal:?

Quote: "Purdal is a unit of measure for musical intervals, suggested by Osmiorisbendi, which is the Ditave (2/1, the 'Octave') divided into 9900 equal parts. The Purdals are shown as a reliable and very consistent to idealize any musical system, whether just or temperate.

The purpose that it have is for the need of precise with better quality in its presentation, those 'EDDs' who have a quantity equal to a prime number of intervals and systems until 990 steps per Ditave, only requiring 2 decimals for a basic precision. The 12-EDD contains 825 Purdals in each semitone; Each Purdal is equivalent to 4/33 of a Cent (0.12 Cents), and 1 Cent is 8.25 Purdals."

PiotrGrochowski (talk) 18:57, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

I don't know yet, maybe we'll merge it to both. It really doesn't need to be its own wiki, we just saved it because someone had made it, and we figured, why not. Mike Battaglia (talk) 19:22, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
What does it mean that your edits to the talk page are "updated since your last visit"? PiotrGrochowski (talk) 19:27, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
Not sure. I accidentally deleted your edit to my page, then un-deleted it, so maybe it gave you a notificaton about that. Mike Battaglia (talk) 19:41, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
Here is a screenshot of a page that you "updated since your last visit": PiotrGrochowski (talk) 06:48, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

WS archive

great - I see that you got the idea. The template helps us to "buy time" for the visual effects. --Xenwolf (talk) 22:01, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

The time machine

"This is the time machine. If you're banned from, you absolutely MUST go there.

Time is frozen in the time machine. Files have no time to load. Even the skin is Timeless." (from dev:Xenharmonic Wiki:About)

Did you intentionally make the time machine for banned people like me? PiotrGrochowski (talk) 17:38, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Value of MediaWiki:Otherlanguages

Hi Mike,
The value of MediaWiki:Otherlanguages is currently "Translate this page". I find this misleading and suggest to set it to "Languages". Then it's of course time to rename the section with the four static links to the "homepages" from "Languages" to "Homepages" (and better remove the English one). I'd do that if you agree to the change.
--Xenwolf (talk) 01:59, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Wolf - sounds good to me. I made the change myself to make it more descriptive, but I don't think it worked. Feel free to change it however you think is best - Mike Battaglia (talk) 04:58, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

An outdate links to the retro wiki site, when it should link to the modern one PiotrGrochowski (info, talk, contribs) 13:54, 14 October 2018 (UTC)


why did you delete my user page?! 05:24, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Interval summary

wouldn't it be better to move the page Interval summary to User:PiotrGrochowski/Interval summary? It's one of his questionable comparison projects. --Xenwolf (talk) 21:06, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, I would just put them in his userspace Mike Battaglia (talk) 21:15, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Done. --Xenwolf (talk) 21:31, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Dictionary of users by languages

Hi Mike, Please have a look on "Xenharmonic Wiki talk:What languages do various users know?". What's your opinion? --Xenwolf (talk) 22:05, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Eh, I think this should just go on each user page. No real need for it Mike Battaglia (talk) 02:49, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Although could be useful to see who can help with the language wikis. I'm neutral on it Mike Battaglia (talk) 03:10, 17 October 2018 (UTC)