Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do: Difference between revisions
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:: Duplication of information is a severe problem we discussed. The tendency to copy&past from table to table raises the danger of spreading errors and making much more work... That's the problem I have with all that information. I had much hope in your comments, @Kite, but to be honest, I still don't see in how far this information will be helpful for you. Just saying I like it is not enough in my opinion. Can you please explain your personal use of comma information? --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 06:31, 12 January 2021 (UTC) | :: Duplication of information is a severe problem we discussed. The tendency to copy&past from table to table raises the danger of spreading errors and making much more work... That's the problem I have with all that information. I had much hope in your comments, @Kite, but to be honest, I still don't see in how far this information will be helpful for you. Just saying I like it is not enough in my opinion. Can you please explain your personal use of comma information? --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 06:31, 12 January 2021 (UTC) | ||
::: If I understand you correctly, you want the cents for say 81/80 to only appear on the 81/80 page, and nowhere else? Same for say 5/4 and 3/2? | |||
::: You asked about the practical purpose of these tables. Many microtonalists are locked into a specific edo because of the nature of their instrument (e.g. guitarists). The comma table tells them what commas they can pump, very important for a composer to know. They are also useful when deciding which guitar to get, and which edo it will be in. | |||
::: The disadvantage of not duplicating the info is that you have to go to another page and wait for it to load to see the info you need. For example, say I'm looking for a smallish comma that 41-edo tempers out. Without the cents column, I have to do a lot of clicking to find one. With the cents column, it's all right there. I actually did that recently. We're planning a series of videos about the Kite guitar, and in one we discuss how 81/80 pumps cause pitch shifts. I wanted to include an example of a comma pump that not only doesn't require pitch shifts, but in fact would require them on a 12-edo guitar. I knew I wanted one with a small cents for this example, so that a short pump would still be well-tuned. So I went to the 41edo page and ran down the list and quickly found Latrizo. And now that pump is added to the video script. Incidentally, the color names really made my search much easier. Because I can never keep straight the 800 (literally! I counted them!) non-color comma names. This is of course merely my personal preference. | |||
::: Now if the xenwiki had the hover feature that wikipedia has, then not duplicating info would make more sense. I'm referring to how you hover over a wikipedia link and the first paragraph of the article pops up on your screen. I think it only works on non-touchscreens, i.e. laptops not phones or tablets. Another possibility is for each edo page's table to somehow directly link to the comma page, so that changing the comma page's data affects all the other tables. And maybe even have the comma page calculate the cents internally from the actual ratio and/or monzo? Just suggesting possibilities here. If we could automate everything, there would be no danger of errors creeping in. | |||
::: I'd also like to point out that wikipedia has tons of duplication. To pick a random example, the page for Barack Obama has a lengthy section on his presidency. It has an even longer page solely about his presidency. Plus another page solely about his first 100 days. Lots and lots of duplication. I mention this because I figure wikipedia knows what they're doing, and obviously they have decided that duplication is not a problem. I also question your use of "severe" to describe the issue. How many actual reduplicated errors have you seen recently? --[[User:TallKite|TallKite]] ([[User talk:TallKite|talk]]) 01:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
:: The octave reduced version of (patent) vals can easily be added in EDO pages, but in this case the first value would be zero. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 06:31, 12 January 2021 (UTC) | :: The octave reduced version of (patent) vals can easily be added in EDO pages, but in this case the first value would be zero. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 06:31, 12 January 2021 (UTC) | ||
::: The first value needn't be zero if you define octave-reduction appropriately. Which we should, because the zero doesn't convey any useful information. --[[User:TallKite|TallKite]] ([[User talk:TallKite|talk]]) 01:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC) | |||