User talk:Arseniiv

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Getting Started

Hello there! I'm fairly new to this wiki myself... I hope we can talk about stuff. --Aura (talk) 04:16, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Although I'm not too new, I also hope that we'll be able to talk about cool things eventually! --CritDeathX (talk) 13:46, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi all! Why not. Right now I’m still in the proccess of sorting out my microtonal VSTs and playing a bit with scales via Sevish’s Scale Workshop—no big ideas to share yet.
Though maybe you know something about synthesizing a timbre without 5, 10, 15, … overtones? (To try it in 17edo: I imagine subminor and supermajor thirds would look more consonant without ghosts of detuned minor and major thirds interfring.) IIRC Xenharmonic FMTS allows to generate specific overtones, but is it possible to somehow filter them out instead?
[I spaced our replies a bit from each other to make reading in the editor more comfortable.] --Arseniiv (talk) 13:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
The trick to overtone elimination is careful use of Pulse Width Modulation. Get a synth with a square or tri/saw that lets you alter the width/angle of the waveforms and carefully adjust it until the right ones are misssing. On ableton live's Analog a no 5's pulse wave is conveniently at precisely 35%, for example. That or if the synth has a notch filter, set key tracking to 100% and the Q right up and put it directly over the harmonic you want to eliminate. This won't get rid of all it's multiples as well in the same way, but it's a good start, especially if it has 2 or 3 filters you can use in tandem. Yourmusic Productions 19:30, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
You may not have big ideas, Arseniiv, but I already seem to have a few... Feel free to check out my own personal pages for all that stuff! If I need to improve on something, let me know! It may be true that you'll get some measure of resistance out of me at times, but even then, I seem to have a way of warming up to good ideas eventually... --Aura (talk) 20:02, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Infobox helper

See here User:Xenwolf#template:Infobox Interval for a template that auto-fills ratio and size (provided the page title is of the form n/d). --Xenwolf (talk) 20:47, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Neat! Though the last pages I edited, I wrote some code to generate the template by a ratio, and then I only fill in the other stuff. BTW do you know how to replace a character in argument with another one? Found it. --Arseniiv (talk) 21:18, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##replace ? That would also answer my trailing-dot problem ;) --Xenwolf (talk) 21:24, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
I'm stopping at this point. --Xenwolf (talk) 22:11, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
When you’re back, please look at the current version. I think it works as expected. It also does understand ^ for **, doesn’t shy from excess spaces, and makes minuses into unicode minus − which is a bit higher and wider than - and matches + and tall characters like digits: −+- −3 -3. But the code is almost unreadable and I needed to use #regex twice, otherwise the dots in the middle were deleted together with the trailing one. 23 ⋅ 5 ⋅ 7−5 ⋅ 11 ⋅ ⋅  9 19−4 --Arseniiv (talk) 22:56, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Interval category

I thought Category:Just interval would be better than just Category:Interval wasn't this also you opinion? I read this in Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do#Relations of various interval categories and found it the best solution. I now explicitly added it there. --Xenwolf (talk) 17:41, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

I wasn’t sure things won’t go in some other way so I added the most general category (and at least then those intervals would be found without listing all the pages, to recategorize later in any possible way). I can add Category:Just interval from now on. --Arseniiv (talk) 17:46, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Please have another look into Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do#Relations of various interval categories. Let's get consensus first to prevent future edit wars (even cold ones 😉). --Xenwolf (talk) 18:51, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. Then I’ll better halt scanning the remaining pages for a while, no rush. After that there would be less to redo, then. --Arseniiv (talk) 19:19, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Away for a while

I was in the thick of things, so I need to inform you I fell with cold or something. Hopefully. 😑 I was going to discuss bots. They are good for recategorization especially as one easily can hide their edits from Watchlist and focus on people. Of course many pages will need human intervention but anyway the possibilities are big, akin to scripting support Xenwolf mentioned. I planned to research how I could write a bot in Python 3 and wherher is it easy enough not to ditch it immediately. 😁 Also a bot could certainly apply infoboxes to appropriate places, and then a person just deletes duplicated descriptions on those pages if needed.

If you don't mind please don't do hard recategorization work by hand for a week. --Arseniiv (talk) 11:24, 10 November 2020 (UTC) Arseniiv (talk) 11:24, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I wish you get well soon!
Concerning bots: Of course, it would be practical to have a bot available (because there are things that tire human editors, but which are nevertheless indispensable). However, I find rather undemanding works a welcome opportunity to actually read the pages I am about to edit. In this way, I sometimes discover texts that are completely incomprehensible to readers, sometimes even those that I have written myself - reading is as important as writing.
Bots help in formally clear situations, but when are situations formally clear?
To avoid misunderstandings: I consider myself to be a technically gifted person, I have been programming with passion for decades, but I have learned that interpersonal problems are often not solved when you "throw technical solutions at them". Wikis in particular are strongly influenced by interpersonal interactions, they are ultimately the lasting traces of this interaction. So if something is wrong in a wiki, it is different than if something is wrong with a document, for example. Therefore it needs wise consideration when to use technical tools. At least that's what my fifteen years of wiki experience tells me. And yes, it is only a part of the truth. --Xenwolf (talk) 13:42, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
I agree throwing bots in the mix should be a careful decision. 🙂 Hopefully now are the last few days of the illness, and we'll discuss the matter in all needed detail soon! I just need to start sensing smell again (ow, was that an enlightening experience...) Thank you for words of care! --Arseniiv (talk) 20:38, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Oh btw do you by any chance know if there is a xentonal Discord server or two? If there aren't, maybe I could create one right from this phone. I'm not on good terms with Facebook to tap my feet in those groups which are already there. A quick chat may be useful sometimes! --Arseniiv (talk) 20:44, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
It would be great if there were a Xenharmonic Discord Server. I know I'm on Discord, so there's that. --Aura (talk) 00:24, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
So far, I don't see any signs of a Xenharmonic Discord Server... Perhaps we should start one... --Aura (talk) 00:26, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't know Discord. Maybe the chat linekd in the sidebar (XA IRC Chat) could help in some way? --Xenwolf (talk) 06:23, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
What you propose may help on this wiki, however, expanding our community to Discord is still a good idea. You may not know Discord, but we do. That said, I don't know how to mod, and I can't trust myself to do that kind of job. --Aura (talk) 14:07, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
Finally I’m back! Sorting things out will take a while but I’ll continue with this two threads (bots and Discord) well soon! I’ll start their own sections at a current project discussion page, I think, and make longer posts. Oh, also if there were edits which you think I would want to see, please tell. I was going to comb through all recent changes since I was absent but I can miss something interesting by chance. --Arseniiv (talk) 16:15, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Hey, it turns out that Inthar is also on Discord, so perhaps between the three of us, we can start the server. --Aura (talk) 18:43, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
That’s probably good! Though for some weeks I can’t collect myself together, but I hope to come back here and resume doing something nice. I have bad inertia with re-picking up things I left for a little while. 😟
Also, about Discord, I hope no essential moderatorial skills would be needed for a time for a new server, and hopefully people who are more or less for a long time in xen community and will be joining know better than argue between each other, so moderation would be needed very and very scarcely and people like us would be able to deliver that in a reasonable fashion. Arseniiv (talk) 16:43, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
I should post an update- SA has formed the Microtonal Discord Server, so perhaps we can build off of what's going on there. Speak to him on his talk page about this. --Aura (talk) 17:55, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
I figured I might as well post a link to the Microtonal Server on Discord that SA created. It's currently not very active, but still. --Aura (talk) 07:00, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Score for Folly of a Drunk

Hey, Arseniiv, remember Folly of a Drunk? The score is now posted on my user page, and I think you'd be interested to see some of the quartertone motions that occur in that song. --Aura (talk) 03:35, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I’ll take a look! Though I’m not that good with reading sheet music — I know all the basics but have almost no practice to read scores fluently (even 12-edo ones). --Arseniiv (talk) 16:15, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Good to see you again!

Hi Arseniiv, hope you are well. Maybe you are interested in a brand new approach to templates on dev.xen.wiki? See User:Xenwolf/Lua for the details. BTW: what's your opinion about emails by others (PreferencesUser settingsAllow other users to email me)? --Xenwolf (talk) 17:01, 16 December 2020 (UTC)