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== Theory == | |||
Since 38 factors as {{nowrap|2 × 19}}, 38edo can be thought of as two parallel chains of [[19edo]]. It provides a possible correction to the [[11/1|11th harmonic]] of 19edo, which works well with 19edo's flat approximations of the [[3/1|3rd]] and [[5/1|5th]] harmonics, making it a decent [[2.3.5.11 subgroup|2.3.5.11-subgroup]] system. Compared to 19edo, the halving of the step size lowers [[consistency]], and leaves it only mediocre in terms of overall [[relative interval error|relative error]]. However, the fact that the 3rd and 5th harmonics are flat by almost exactly the same amount, while the 11th is close to double that, means there are quite a few near-perfect composite ratios, such as the the [[6/5]] it shares with 19edo, plus [[11/9]], [[15/11]], [[25/22]], and their [[octave complement]]s, while a single step nears [[55/54]]. The approximation to [[11/9]] in particular should be noted for forming a 10-strong [[consistent circle]]. This gives several interesting possibilities for unusual near-just chords such as 15:18:22:25:30. | |||
Using the [[patent val]], it [[tempering out|tempers out]] the same [[5-limit]] commas as 19edo, namely [[81/80]], [[3125/3072]] and [[15625/15552]]. In the [[7-limit]], we can add [[50/49]], and tempering out 81/80 and 50/49 gives [[injera]] temperament, for which 38 is the [[optimal patent val]] in the 7-limit. In the [[11-limit]], we can add [[121/120]] and [[176/175]], and in the [[13-limit]] we can add [[66/65]] and [[144/143]]. 38edo patently supports [[mohajira]] up to the 13-limit. While the [[7/1|7th]] and [[13/1|13th]] harmonics themselves are improved compared to 19edo, many other intervals involving these harmonics become less accurate, so whether 38edo actually corrects them is debatable. | |||
Instead, the [[val]] {{val| 38 60 88 '''106''' 131 '''140''' 155 161 }} (38df in [[wart notation]]) can be used, where primes [[7/1|7]] and [[13/1|13]] use their second-best approximations, and are mapped the same as in 19edo. The [[2.3.5.7.13 subgroup|2.3.5.7.13-subgroup]] mapping of 19edo is preserved in 38df, while harmonics [[11/1|11]], [[17/1|17]], and [[19/1|19]] are mapped between steps of 19edo. In 38df, every [[odd harmonic]] from 3 to 19 is characterized by a flat intonation. Furthermore, the [[mapping]]s of all [[19-odd-limit]] intervals in 38df align with their closest approximations in 38edo, except for [[7/4]], [[13/8]], and their octave complements [[8/7]] and [[16/13]], which are by definition mapped to their second-closest steps within 38df. The 38df mapping thus creates a natural full [[19-limit]] extension to the 2.3.5.7.13-subgroup mapping of 19edo. It tempers out [[49/48]], [[65/64]], [[81/80]], [[225/224]], etc. as in 19edo, as well as [[121/120]], [[289/288]], [[324/323]], [[361/360]], and many more. | |||
The harmonic series from 1 to 20 is approximated within 38df by the step sequence: {{nowrap| 38 22 16 12 10 8 8 6 6 5 5 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 }} | |||
[[File:Harmonic_series_38df.mp3]] [[:File:Harmonic_series_38df.mp3|[Harmonic series 2-20 in 38df]]] | |||
=== Prime harmonics === | |||
{{Harmonics in equal|38}} | |||
== Intervals == | == Intervals == | ||
{| class="wikitable center-1 right-2" | {| class="wikitable center-1 right-2" | ||
|- | |- | ||
! Step | ! rowspan="3" | Step | ||
! Cents | ! rowspan="3" | Cents | ||
! colspan="3" | Approximated ratios | |||
! rowspan="3" colspan="3" | [[Ups and downs notation]]*<br>([[Enharmonic unisons in ups and downs notation|EUs]]: vvA1 and vvd2) | |||
|- | |||
! rowspan="2" | Ratios of the <br>2.3.5.11.17.19 subgroup | |||
! colspan="2" | Ratios of 7 and 13 | |||
|- | |||
! Patent val | |||
! 38df val | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 0 | | 0 | ||
| 0. | | 0.0 | ||
| [[1/1]] | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| Perfect 1sn | |||
| P1 | |||
| D | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
| 31. | | 31.6 | ||
| [[55/54]], [[45/44]], ''[[33/32]]'' | |||
| [[64/63]], ''[[36/35]]'' | |||
| [[56/55]] | |||
| Up 1sn | |||
| ^1 | |||
| ^D | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 2 | | 2 | ||
| 63. | | 63.2 | ||
| [[25/24]], [[34/33]] | |||
| [[22/21]] | |||
| [[28/27]], [[26/25]], [[27/26]] | |||
| Aug 1sn, dim 2nd | |||
| A1, d2 | |||
| D# | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 3 | | 3 | ||
| 94. | | 94.7 | ||
| [[20/19]], [[19/18]], [[18/17]], [[17/16]] | |||
| ''[[15/14]]'', [[21/20]] | |||
| | |||
| Upaug 1sn, downminor 2nd | |||
| ^A1, vm2 | |||
| ^D#, vEb | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 4 | | 4 | ||
| 126. | | 126.3 | ||
| [[16/15]] | |||
| [[14/13]] | |||
| [[15/14]], [[14/13]], [[13/12]] | |||
| Minor 2nd | |||
| m2 | |||
| Eb | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 5 | | 5 | ||
| 157. | | 157.9 | ||
| [[12/11]], [[11/10]] | |||
| ''[[13/12]]'', [[35/32]] | |||
| | |||
| Mid 2nd | |||
| ~2 | |||
| vE | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 6 | | 6 | ||
| 189. | | 189.5 | ||
| [[10/9]], [[19/17]], [[9/8]] | |||
| | |||
| [[28/25]] | |||
| Major 2nd | |||
| M2 | |||
| E | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 7 | | 7 | ||
| 221. | | 221.1 | ||
| [[25/22]], [[17/15]] | |||
| [[8/7]], ''[[15/13]]'' | |||
| | |||
| Upmajor 2nd | |||
| ^M2 | |||
| ^E | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 8 | | 8 | ||
| 252. | | 252.6 | ||
| [[22/19]] | |||
| | |||
| ''[[8/7]]'', [[15/13]], [[7/6]] | |||
| Aug 2nd, Dim 3rd | |||
| A2, d3 | |||
| E#, Fb | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 9 | | 9 | ||
| 284. | | 284.2 | ||
| [[20/17]], [[19/16]] | |||
| ''[[7/6]]'' | |||
| [[13/11]] | |||
| Downminor 3rd | |||
| vm3 | |||
| vF | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 10 | | 10 | ||
| 315. | | 315.8 | ||
| [[6/5]] | |||
| ''[[13/11]]'', ''[[17/14]]'' | |||
| | |||
| Minor 3rd | |||
| m3 | |||
| F | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 11 | | 11 | ||
| 347. | | 347.4 | ||
| [[11/9]] | |||
| [[16/13]] | |||
| [[17/14]] | |||
| Mid 3rd | |||
| ~3 | |||
| ^F | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 12 | | 12 | ||
| 378. | | 378.9 | ||
| [[5/4]] | |||
| | |||
| ''[[16/13]]'' | |||
| Major 3rd | |||
| M3 | |||
| F# | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 13 | | 13 | ||
| 410. | | 410.5 | ||
| [[24/19]], [[19/15]] | |||
| ''[[9/7]]'' | |||
| [[14/11]] | |||
| Upmajor 3rd, Downdim 4th | |||
| ^M3, vd4 | |||
| ^F#, vGb | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 14 | | 14 | ||
| 442. | | 442.1 | ||
| [[22/17]], [[32/25]] | |||
| ''[[14/11]]'', ''[[17/13]]'' | |||
| [[9/7]], [[13/10]], ''[[21/16]]'' | |||
| Aug 3rd, dim 4th | |||
| A3, d4 | |||
| Gb | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 15 | | 15 | ||
| 473. | | 473.7 | ||
| [[25/19]] | |||
| [[21/16]], ''[[13/10]]'' | |||
| [[17/13]] | |||
| Down 4th | |||
| v4 | |||
| vG | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 16 | | 16 | ||
| 505. | | 505.3 | ||
| [[4/3]] | |||
| ''[[19/14]]'' | |||
| | |||
| Perfect 4th | |||
| P4 | |||
| G | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 17 | | 17 | ||
| 536. | | 536.8 | ||
| [[15/11]], [[11/8]], [[34/25]] | |||
| ''[[18/13]]'' | |||
| [[19/14]], [[26/19]] | |||
| Up 4th | |||
| ^4 | |||
| ^G | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 18 | | 18 | ||
| 568. | | 568.4 | ||
| [[25/18]] | |||
| ''[[26/19]]'' | |||
| [[18/13]], [[7/5]] | |||
| Aug 4th | |||
| A4 | |||
| G# | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 19 | | 19 | ||
| 600. | | 600.0 | ||
| [[24/17]], [[17/12]] | |||
| [[7/5]], [[10/7]] | |||
| | |||
| Upaug 4th, downdim 5th | |||
| ^A4, vd5 | |||
| ^G#, vAb | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 20 | | 20 | ||
| 631. | | 631.6 | ||
| [[36/25]] | |||
| ''[[19/13]]'' | |||
| [[10/7]], [[13/9]] | |||
| Dim 5th | |||
| d5 | |||
| Ab | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 21 | | 21 | ||
| 663. | | 663.2 | ||
| [[22/15]], [[16/11]], [[25/17]] | |||
| ''[[13/9]]'' | |||
| [[19/13]], [[28/19]] | |||
| Down 5th | |||
| v5 | |||
| vA | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 22 | | 22 | ||
| 694. | | 694.7 | ||
| [[3/2]] | |||
| ''[[28/19]]'' | |||
| | |||
| Perfect 5th | |||
| P5 | |||
| A | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 23 | | 23 | ||
| 726. | | 726.3 | ||
| [[38/25]] | |||
| ''[[20/13]]'' | |||
| [[26/17]] | |||
| Up 5th | |||
| ^5 | |||
| ^A | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 24 | | 24 | ||
| 757. | | 757.9 | ||
| [[17/11]], [[25/16]] | |||
| ''[[26/17]]'', ''[[11/7]]'' | |||
| [[14/9]], [[20/13]], ''[[32/21]]'' | |||
| Aug 5th, dim 6th | |||
| A5, d6 | |||
| A# | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 25 | | 25 | ||
| 789. | | 789.5 | ||
| [[30/19]], [[19/12]] | |||
| ''[[14/9]]'' | |||
| [[11/7]] | |||
| Upaug 5th, downminor 6th | |||
| ^A5, vm6 | |||
| ^A#, vBb | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 26 | | 26 | ||
| 821. | | 821.1 | ||
| [[8/5]] | |||
| | |||
| ''[[13/8]]'' | |||
| Minor 6th | |||
| m6 | |||
| Bb | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 27 | | 27 | ||
| 852. | | 852.6 | ||
| [[18/11]] | |||
| [[13/8]] | |||
| [[28/17]] | |||
| Mid 6th | |||
| ~6 | |||
| vB | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 28 | | 28 | ||
| 884. | | 884.2 | ||
| [[5/3]] | |||
| ''[[28/17]]'', ''[[22/13]]'' | |||
| | |||
| Major 6th | |||
| M6 | |||
| B | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 29 | | 29 | ||
| 915. | | 915.8 | ||
| [[32/19]], [[17/10]] | |||
| | |||
| [[22/13]] | |||
| Upmajor 6th | |||
| ^M6 | |||
| ^B | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 30 | | 30 | ||
| 947. | | 947.4 | ||
| [[19/11]] | |||
| | |||
| [[12/7]], [[26/15]], ''[[7/4]]'' | |||
| Aug 6th, dim 7th | |||
| A6, d7 | |||
| B#, Cb | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 31 | | 31 | ||
| 978. | | 978.9 | ||
| [[44/25]], [[30/17]] | |||
| ''[[26/15]]'', [[7/4]] | |||
| | |||
| Downminor 7th | |||
| vm7 | |||
| vC | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 32 | | 32 | ||
| 1010. | | 1010.5 | ||
| [[16/9]], [[34/19]], [[9/5]] | |||
| | |||
| [[25/14]] | |||
| Minor 7th | |||
| m7 | |||
| C | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 33 | | 33 | ||
| 1042. | | 1042.1 | ||
| [[20/11]], [[11/6]] | |||
| ''[[24/13]]'', [[64/35]] | |||
| | |||
| Mid 7th | |||
| ~7 | |||
| ^C | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 34 | | 34 | ||
| 1073. | | 1073.7 | ||
| [[15/8]] | |||
| [[13/7]] | |||
| [[24/13]], [[13/7]], [[28/15]] | |||
| Major 7th | |||
| M7 | |||
| C# | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 35 | | 35 | ||
| 1105. | | 1105.3 | ||
| [[32/17]], [[17/9]], [[36/19]], [[19/10]] | |||
| ''[[28/15]]'' | |||
| | |||
| Upmajor 7th, Downdim 8ve | |||
| ^M7, vd8 | |||
| ^C#, vDb | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 36 | | 36 | ||
| 1136. | | 1136.8 | ||
| [[33/17]], [[48/25]] | |||
| | |||
| [[27/14]], [[25/13]], [[52/27]] | |||
| Aug 7th, dim 8ve | |||
| A7, d8 | |||
| Db | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 37 | | 37 | ||
| 1168. | | 1168.4 | ||
| ''[[64/33]]'', [[88/45]], [[108/55]] | |||
| [[63/32]] | |||
| [[55/28]] | |||
| Down 8ve | |||
| v8 | |||
| vD | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 38 | | 38 | ||
| 1200. | | 1200.0 | ||
| [[2/1]] | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| Perfect 8ve | |||
| P8 | |||
| D | |||
|} | |||
<nowiki/>* Ups and downs may be substituted with semi-sharps and semi-flats, respectively | |||
== Notation == | |||
=== Ups and downs notation === | |||
Spoken as up, sharp, upsharp, etc. Note that up can be respelled as downsharp. | |||
{{Ups and downs sharpness}} | |||
=== Quarter-tone notation === | |||
Since a sharp raises by two steps, [[24edo#Notation|quarter-tone accidentals]] can also be used: | |||
{{sharpness-sharp2}} | |||
=== Sagittal notation === | |||
This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as EDOs [[17edo#Sagittal notation|17]], [[24edo#Sagittal notation|24]], and [[31edo#Sagittal notation|31]], is a subset of the notation for [[76edo#Sagittal notation|76-EDO]], and is a superset of the notation for [[19edo#Sagittal notation|19-EDO]]. | |||
==== Evo flavor ==== | |||
<imagemap> | |||
File:38-EDO_Evo_Sagittal.svg | |||
desc none | |||
rect 80 0 300 50 [[Sagittal_notation]] | |||
rect 300 0 679 80 [https://sagittal.org#periodic-table Periodic table of EDOs with sagittal notation] | |||
rect 20 80 130 106 [[33/32]] | |||
default [[File:38-EDO_Evo_Sagittal.svg]] | |||
</imagemap> | |||
==== Revo flavor ==== | |||
<imagemap> | |||
File:38-EDO_Revo_Sagittal.svg | |||
desc none | |||
rect 80 0 300 50 [[Sagittal_notation]] | |||
rect 300 0 703 80 [https://sagittal.org#periodic-table Periodic table of EDOs with sagittal notation] | |||
rect 20 80 130 106 [[33/32]] | |||
default [[File:38-EDO_Revo_Sagittal.svg]] | |||
</imagemap> | |||
==== Evo-SZ flavor ==== | |||
<imagemap> | |||
File:38-EDO_Evo-SZ_Sagittal.svg | |||
desc none | |||
rect 80 0 300 50 [[Sagittal_notation]] | |||
rect 300 0 631 80 [https://sagittal.org#periodic-table Periodic table of EDOs with sagittal notation] | |||
rect 20 80 130 106 [[33/32]] | |||
default [[File:38-EDO_Evo-SZ_Sagittal.svg]] | |||
</imagemap> | |||
Because it contains no Sagittal symbols, this Evo-SZ Sagittal notation is also a Stein-Zimmerman notation. | |||
== Approximation to JI == | |||
=== Interval mappings === | |||
{{Q-odd-limit intervals}} | |||
{{Q-odd-limit intervals|37.9|apx=val|header=none|tag=none|title=15-odd-limit intervals by 38df val mapping}} | |||
== Rank-2 temperaments == | |||
{| class="wikitable" | |||
|+ [[Rank-2 temperament]]s in 38edo | |||
|- | |||
! Temperament !! Generator !! Periods per octave | |||
|- | |||
| [[Opossum]] || 5\38 || 1 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Hemisensi]] || 7\38 || 1 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Delorean]] / [[subkla]] || 9\38 || 1 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Migration]] / [[mohajira]] / [[nethertone]] / [[ptolemy]] / [[subklei]] || 11\38 || 1 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Hocus]] || 13\38 || 1 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Buzzard]] || 15\38 || 1 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Maquila]] / [[wilsec]] || 17\38 || 1 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Bimeantone]] / [[injera]] || 3\38 || 2 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Bison]] / [[hemikleismic]] || 5\38 || 2 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Astrology]] / [[divination]] / [[horoscope]] || 7\38 || 2 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Decimal]] || 8\38 || 2 | |||
|} | |} | ||
[[ | == Octave stretch or compression == | ||
[[ | 38edo's approximation of [[JI]] can be improved by slightly [[octave stretch|stretching the octave]], as in [[ed5|88ed5]], [[zpi|166zpi]] or [[60edt]]. | ||
[[Category: | |||
== Scales == | |||
; [[MOS scale]]s | |||
* Astrology[22]: 2 1 2 2 2 1 2 2 2 1 2 2 1 2 2 2 1 2 2 2 1 2 | |||
* Buzzard[8]: 7 1 7 7 1 7 1 7 | |||
* Buzzard[13] 1 6 1 6 1 1 6 1 1 6 1 6 1 | |||
* Buzzard[18]: 1 5 1 1 1 5 1 1 1 5 1 1 5 1 1 1 5 1 | |||
* Buzzard[23]: 1 1 4 1 1 1 4 1 1 1 1 4 1 1 1 1 4 1 1 1 4 1 1 | |||
* Decimal[10]: 3 5 3 5 3 3 5 3 5 3 | |||
* Decimal[14]: 3 2 3 3 3 2 3 3 2 3 3 3 2 3 | |||
* Decimal[24]: 2 1 2 1 2 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 1 2 1 2 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 | |||
* Hocus[23]: 1 1 1 6 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 6 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 6 1 1 1 | |||
* Injera[6]: 3 13 3 3 13 3 | |||
* Injera[8]: 3 3 10 3 3 3 10 3 | |||
* Injera[10]: 3 3 7 3 3 3 3 7 3 3 | |||
* Injera[12]: 3 3 3 4 3 3 3 3 3 4 3 3 | |||
* Injera[14]: 3 3 3 1 3 3 3 3 3 3 1 3 3 3 | |||
* Injera[26]: 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 | |||
* Maquila[20]: 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 | |||
* Mohajira[7] (''a.k.a. quasi-[[equiheptatonic]]''): 5 6 5 6 5 6 5 | |||
* Mohajira[10]: 5 1 5 5 1 5 5 5 1 5 | |||
* Mohajira[17]: 1 4 1 4 1 1 4 1 4 1 4 1 1 4 1 4 1 | |||
* Mohajira[24]: 1 3 1 1 1 3 1 1 3 1 1 1 3 1 1 3 1 1 3 1 1 1 3 1 | |||
* Subkla[13]: 2 5 2 2 5 2 2 2 5 2 2 5 2 | |||
* Subkla[17]: 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 | |||
* Subkla[21]: 2 2 1 2 2 2 2 1 2 2 2 2 2 1 2 2 2 2 1 2 2 | |||
; MOS subsets | |||
* ''of injera[12]'' | |||
** Quasi-major: 6 7 3 6 6 7 3 | |||
** Quasi-minor: 6 3 7 6 3 7 6 | |||
; [[MODMOS|MODMOS scales]] | |||
{{Idiosyncratic terms}} | |||
* ''of bison[22]'' | |||
** Tame bison: 3 1 1 1 1 3 3 1 1 1 3 3 1 1 1 3 3 1 1 1 1 3 | |||
* ''of hemisensi[11]'' | |||
** Hemisettled11: 3 3 3 4 3 6 3 3 3 4 3 | |||
* ''of hemisensi[16]'' | |||
** Hemisettled16: 5 1 3 3 1 3 1 1 3 1 5 1 3 3 1 3 | |||
* ''of opossum[23]'' | |||
** Tame possum: 3 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 3 | |||
; Others | |||
{{Idiosyncratic terms}} | |||
* [[Antipental blues]]: 9 7 2 4 9 7 | |||
* Ninteenplus: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 2 2 2 | |||
* Quasi-[[equipentatonic]]: 8 8 6 8 8 | |||
* [[Well temperament|Well-tempered]] 19-in-38: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 1 2 2 2 | |||
== Instruments == | |||
* [[Lumatone mapping for 38edo]] | |||
* [[Skip fretting system 38 2 11]] | |||
== Music == | |||
; [[Bryan Deister]] | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rewy-32BfRs ''Spirit of the Night - Secret of Mana (microtonal cover in 38edo)''] (2025) | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QcFEW45uxHY ''38edo improv''] (2025) | |||
* ''waltz in 38edo'' (2026) | |||
** [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Gdx4hk7FKU0 <nowiki>[short]</nowiki>] (demonstrates Lumatone mapping) | |||
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amukQrZuseY <nowiki>[full version]</nowiki>] | |||
; [[Claudi Meneghin]] | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw1Cz1ojoSw Canon at the Semitone on The Mother's Malison Theme for Cor Anglais and Violin] (2022) | |||
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