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The head of the '''starling family''' is starling, which tempers out [[126/125]], the starling comma or septimal semicomma. Starling has a normal list basis of [2, 3, 5]; hence a 5-limit scale can be converted to starling simply by tempering it. One way to do that, and an excellent starling tuning, is given by [[77edo]]. Other possible tunings are [[108edo]] and [[185edo]], and the nonpatent [[135edo]] val {{val| 135 214 314 379 }}.
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The head of the '''starling family''' is starling, which tempers out [[126/125]], the starling comma or septimal semicomma. Starling has a normal list basis of [2, 3, 5]; hence a 5-limit scale can be converted to starling simply by tempering it. One way to do that, and an excellent starling tuning, is given by [[77edo]]. Other possible tunings are [[108edo]] and [[185edo]], and the nonpatent [[135edo]] val {{val| 135 214 314 379 }} (135c).


In starling, (6/5)<sup>3</sup> = 126/125 × 12/7, and minor thirds/major sixths are low complexity intervals. A suitable 5-limit scale to temper via starling will be one where there are chains of minor thirds. Starling has a 6/5-6/5-6/5-7/6 versions of the diminished seventh chord which is very characteristic of it. Since this is a chord of meantone temperament in wide use in Western common practice harmony long before 12edo established itself as the standard tuning, it is arguably more authentic to tune it as three stacked minor thirds and an augmented second, which is what it is in meantone, than as the modern version of four stacked very flat minor thirds.
In starling, (6/5)<sup>3</sup> = 126/125 × 12/7, and minor thirds/major sixths are low complexity intervals. A suitable 5-limit scale to temper via starling will be one where there are chains of minor thirds. Starling has a 6/5-6/5-6/5-7/6 versions of the diminished seventh chord which is very characteristic of it. Since this is a chord of meantone temperament in wide use in Western common practice harmony long before 12edo established itself as the standard tuning, it is arguably more authentic to tune it as three stacked minor thirds and an augmented second, which is what it is in meantone, than as the modern version of four stacked very flat minor thirds.


Because no appreciable tuning accuracy is lost by including [[1029/1024]] along with 126/125 in the comma list, which leads to [[Starling temperaments #Valentine|valentine temperament]], there is a close relationship between the two. Even if tempering a 5-limit scale, one can assume valentine tempering.
Because no appreciable tuning accuracy is lost by including [[1029/1024]] along with 126/125 in the comma list, which leads to [[valentine]], there is a close relationship between the two. Even if tempering a 5-limit scale, one can assume valentine tempering.


Temperaments discussed elsewhere include [[erato]] (→ [[Didymus rank three family #Erato|Didymus rank-3 family]]) and [[sensigh]] (→ [[Sensamagic family #Sensigh|Sensamagic family]]). Considered below are starling, thrush, thrasher, aplonis, oxpecker, treecreeper, and cuckoo.  
Temperaments discussed elsewhere include
* ''[[Erato]]'' (+81/80) → [[Didymus rank three family #Erato|Didymus rank-3 family]]
* ''[[Sensigh]]'' (+245/243) → [[Sensamagic family #Sensigh|Sensamagic family]]
* ''[[Oxpecker]]'' (+121/120) → [[Biyatismic clan #Oxpecker|Biyatismic clan]]
* ''[[Cuckoo]]'' (+243/242) → [[Rastmic rank three clan #Cuckoo|Rastmic rank-3 clan]]
 
Considered below are starling, thrush, thrasher, aplonis, and treecreeper.  


== Starling ==
== Starling ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
{{Main| Starling and thrush }}
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: [[126/125]]
[[Comma list]]: [[126/125]]


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 -2 }}, {{val| 0 0 1 3 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 0 -1 | 0 1 0 -2 | 0 0 1 3 }}


Mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5


[[Mapping to lattice]]: [{{val| 0 1 0 -2 }}, {{val| 0 1 1 1 }}]
[[Mapping to lattice]]: [{{val| 0 1 0 -2 }}, {{val| 0 1 1 1 }}]


Minkowski lattice basis:  
[[Minkowski lattice basis]]:  
: 6/5 length = 1.068, 5/4 length = 1.206
: 6/5 length = 1.068, 5/4 length = 1.206
: Angle (6/5, 5/4) = 100.364 degrees
: Angle (6/5, 5/4) = 100.364 degrees


[[Minimax tuning]]:  
[[Minimax tuning]]:  
* 7- and [[9-odd-limit]]: 3 and 7 just, 5 1/3c sharp
* 7- and [[9-odd-limit]]: 3 and 7 just, 5 1/3-comma sharp
: [{{val| 1 0 0 0 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 0 }}, {{val| 1/3 2/3 0 1/3 }}, {{val| 0 0 0 1 }}]
: {{monzo list| 1 0 0 0 | 0 1 0 0 | 1/3 2/3 0 1/3 | 0 0 0 1 }}
: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 8/7, 4/3
: [[Eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.3.7


{{Val list|legend=1| 7d, 8d, 12, 19, 27, 31, 46, 58, 77, 135c, 166c }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 8d, 12, 19, 27, 31, 46, 58, 77, 135c, 166c }}


[[Badness]]: 0.0699 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
[[Badness]]: 0.0699 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
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[[Projection pair]]: 7 125/18
[[Projection pair]]: 7 125/18


Scales: [[starling7]], [[starling8]], [[starling9]], [[starling11]], [[starling12]], [[starling15]], [[starling16]], [[starling17]], [[starling19]]
{{Databox|[[Minkowski blocks]]|
 
; Music
* [https://soundcloud.com/jdfreivald/a-seed-planted-starling-pure A Seed Planted] by [[Jake Freivald]]. The melody depends on tempering out 126/125.
 
<div class="toccolours mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="width:600px; overflow:auto;">
<div style="line-height:1.6;">[[Minkowski blocks]]</div>
<div class="mw-collapsible-content">
 
* 7: 25/24, 81/80
* 7: 25/24, 81/80
* 8: 16/15, 648/625
* 8: 16/15, 648/625
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* 31: 81/80, 1990656/1953125
* 31: 81/80, 1990656/1953125
* 34: 15625/15552, 2048/2025
* 34: 15625/15552, 2048/2025
 
}}
</div></div>


== Undecimal starling ==
== Undecimal starling ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11


[[Comma list]]: 126/125, 385/384
[[Comma list]]: 126/125, 385/384


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 8 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 -2 3 }}, {{val| 0 0 1 3 -4 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 0 -1 8 | 0 1 0 -2 3 | 0 0 1 3 -4 }}
 
Mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5


{{Val list|legend=1| 12e, 15, 19, 27, 31, 46, 77, 96d, 127d, 173d, 204de }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12e, 15, 19, 27, 31, 46, 77, 96d, 127d, 173d, 204de }}


[[Badness]]: 0.677 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
[[Badness]]: 0.677 × 10<sup>-3</sup>


== Thrush ==
== Thrush ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
{{Main| Starling and thrush }}
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11


[[Comma list]]: 126/125, 176/175
[[Comma list]]: 126/125, 176/175


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 -5 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 -2 -2 }}, {{val| 0 0 1 3 5 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 0 -1 -5 | 0 1 0 -2 -2 | 0 0 1 3 5 }}
 
Mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5


Mapping to lattice: [{{val| 0 1 1 1 3 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 -2 -2 }}]
Mapping to lattice: [{{val| 0 1 1 1 3 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 -2 -2 }}]
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* 7- and [[9-odd-limit]]
* 7- and [[9-odd-limit]]
: [{{monzo| 1 0 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 0 1 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 1/3 2/3 0 1/3 0 }}, {{monzo| 0 0 0 1 0 }}, {{monzo| -10/3 4/3 0 5/3 0 }}]
: [{{monzo| 1 0 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 0 1 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 1/3 2/3 0 1/3 0 }}, {{monzo| 0 0 0 1 0 }}, {{monzo| -10/3 4/3 0 5/3 0 }}]
: [[Eigenmonzo]]s (unchanged intervals): 2, 7/6, 4/3
: [[Eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.3.7


{{Val list|legend=1| 12, 15, 19e, 27e, 31, 46, 58, 89, 135c, 193c, 224c }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 15, 19e, 27e, 31, 46, 58, 89, 135c, 193c, 224c }}


[[Badness]]: 0.353 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
[[Badness]]: 0.353 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
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[[Projection pair]]s: 7 125/18 11 3125/288
[[Projection pair]]s: 7 125/18 11 3125/288


[[Associated temperament]]: [[Starling temperaments #Myna|myna]]
[[Associated temperament]]: [[myna]]
 
Scales: [[thrush12]]


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
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Comma list: 126/125, 176/175, 196/195
Comma list: 126/125, 176/175, 196/195


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 -5 0 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 -2 -2 -5 }}, {{val| 0 0 1 3 5 5 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 -5 0 | 0 1 0 -2 -2 -5 | 0 0 1 3 5 5 }}


Vals: {{Val list| 12f, 19e, 27e, 31, 46, 58, 104c, 135c, 193cf }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12f, 19e, 27e, 31, 46, 58, 104c, 135c, 193cf }}


Badness: 0.677 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
Badness: 0.677 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
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Comma list: 126/125, 144/143, 176/175
Comma list: 126/125, 144/143, 176/175


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 -5 9 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 -2 -2 4 }}, {{val| 0 0 1 3 5 -5 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 -5 9 | 0 1 0 -2 -2 4 | 0 0 1 3 5 -5 }}


Vals: {{Val list| 12, 15, 27e, 31, 43, 58, 147cf, 205cceff, 263ccdeefff }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 15, 27e, 31, 43, 58, 147cf, 205cceff, 263ccdeefff }}


Badness: 0.915 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
Badness: 0.915 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
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Comma list: 66/65, 126/125, 176/175
Comma list: 66/65, 126/125, 176/175


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 -5 -4 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 -2 -2 -1 }}, {{val| 0 0 1 3 5 4 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 -5 -4 | 0 1 0 -2 -2 -1 | 0 0 1 3 5 4 }}


Vals: {{Val list| 12f, 15, 19e, 27eff, 31 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12f, 15, 19e, 27eff, 31 }}


Badness: 0.837 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
Badness: 0.837 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
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Comma list: 91/90, 126/125, 176/175
Comma list: 91/90, 126/125, 176/175


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 -5 2 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 -2 -2 4 }}, {{val| 0 0 1 3 5 -2 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 -5 2 | 0 1 0 -2 -2 4 | 0 0 1 3 5 -2 }}


Vals: {{Val list| 12, 15, 19e, 27e, 31f, 46 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 15, 19e, 27e, 31f, 46 }}


Badness: 0.991 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
Badness: 0.991 × 10<sup>-3</sup>


== Thrasher ==
== Thrasher ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
{{See also| Ptolemismic clan #Thrasher }}
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11


[[Comma list]]: 56/55, 100/99
[[Comma list]]: 56/55, 100/99


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 2 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 -2 -2 }}, {{val| 0 0 1 3 2 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 0 -1 2 | 0 1 0 -2 -2 | 0 0 1 3 2 }}
 
Mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5


Mapping to lattice: [{{val| 0 1 0 -2 -2 }}, {{val| 0 1 1 1 0 }}]
Mapping to lattice: [{{val| 0 1 0 -2 -2 }}, {{val| 0 1 1 1 0 }}]
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* [[11-odd-limit]]
* [[11-odd-limit]]
: [{{monzo| 1 0 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 1 3/4 0 1/4 -3/8 }}, {{monzo| 1 1/2 0 1/2 -1/4 }}, {{monzo| 0 0 0 1 0 }}, {{monzo| 2 -1/2 0 1/2 1/4 }}]
: [{{monzo| 1 0 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 1 3/4 0 1/4 -3/8 }}, {{monzo| 1 1/2 0 1/2 -1/4 }}, {{monzo| 0 0 0 1 0 }}, {{monzo| 2 -1/2 0 1/2 1/4 }}]
: [[Eigenmonzo]]s (unchanged intervals): 2, 8/7, 11/9
: [[Eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.7.11/9


{{Val list|legend=1| 7d, 8d, 12, 15, 19, 27e }} <nowiki>*</nowiki>
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 8d, 12, 15, 19, 27e }} <nowiki>*</nowiki>


<nowiki>*</nowiki> [[optimal patent val]]: [[34edo|34]]
<nowiki>*</nowiki> [[optimal patent val]]: [[34edo|34]]


[[Badness]]: 0.480 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
[[Badness]]: 0.480 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
Scales: [[Thrasher chromatic]], [[Thrasher diatonic]]


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 91/90, 100/99, 126/125
Comma list: 56/55, 91/90, 100/99


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 2 2 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 -2 -2 4 }}, {{val| 0 0 1 3 2 -2 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 2 2 | 0 1 0 -2 -2 4 | 0 0 1 3 2 -2 }}


Vals: {{Val list| 7d, 8d, 12, 15, 19, 27e, 69bceef }} <nowiki>*</nowiki>
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 8d, 12, 15, 19, 27e, 69bceef }} <nowiki>*</nowiki>


<nowiki>*</nowiki> optimal patent val: [[34edo|34]]
<nowiki>*</nowiki> optimal patent val: [[34edo|34]]
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Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 40/39, 100/99, 126/125
Comma list: 40/39, 56/55, 100/99


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 2 3 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 -2 -2 -1 }}, {{val| 0 0 1 3 2 1 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 2 3 | 0 1 0 -2 -2 -1 | 0 0 1 3 2 1 }}


Vals: {{Val list| 7d, 8d, 12f, 15, 27eff }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 8d, 12f, 15, 27eff }}


Badness: 0.859 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
Badness: 0.859 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
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Comma list: 78/77, 100/99, 126/125
Comma list: 78/77, 100/99, 126/125


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 2 0 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 -2 -2 -5 }}, {{val| 0 0 1 3 2 5 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 2 0 | 0 1 0 -2 -2 -5 | 0 0 1 3 2 5 }}


Vals: {{Val list| 7df, 8d, 12f, 19, 27e, 66cdeeef }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7df, 8d, 12f, 19, 27e, 66cdeeef }}


Badness: 0.905 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
Badness: 0.905 × 10<sup>-3</sup>


== Aplonis ==
== Aplonis ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11


[[Comma list]]: 126/125, 540/539
[[Comma list]]: 126/125, 540/539


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 4 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 -2 7 }}, {{val| 0 0 1 3 -5 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 0 -1 4 | 0 1 0 -2 7 | 0 0 1 3 -5 }}


{{Val list|legend=1| 12e, 19, 27e, 31, 58, 89, 197c, 228c }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12e, 19, 27e, 31, 58, 89, 197c, 228c }}


[[Badness]]: 0.648 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
[[Badness]]: 0.648 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
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Comma list: 126/125, 144/143, 196/195
Comma list: 126/125, 144/143, 196/195


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 4 0 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 -2 7 -5 }}, {{val| 0 0 1 3 -5 5 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 4 0 | 0 1 0 -2 7 -5 | 0 0 1 3 -5 5 }}


Vals: {{Val list| 8d, 19, 27e, 31, 50, 58, 166cef, 224ceeff }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 19, 27e, 31, 50, 58, 166cef, 224ceeff }}


Badness: 0.821 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
Badness: 0.821 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
== Oxpecker ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
[[Comma list]]: 121/120, 126/125
[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 1 2 2 }}, {{val| 0 1 1 1 1 }}, {{val| 0 0 -2 -6 -1 }}]
{{Val list|legend=1| 7d, 8d, 15, 23de, 24d, 31, 46, 77 }}
[[Badness]]: 0.699 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
=== Woodpecker ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 66/65, 121/120, 126/125
Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 1 2 2 2 }}, {{val| 0 1 1 1 1 1 }}, {{val| 0 0 -2 -6 -1 -1 }}]
Vals: {{Val list| 7d, 8d, 15, 23de, 24d, 31 }}
Badness: 1.093 × 10<sup>-3</sup>


== Treecreeper ==
== Treecreeper ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11


[[Comma list]]: 126/125, 1232/1215
[[Comma list]]: 126/125, 1232/1215


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 -3 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 -2 7 }}, {{val| 0 0 1 3 -2 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 0 -1 -3 | 0 1 0 -2 7 | 0 0 1 3 -2 }}


{{Val list|legend=1| 7d, 12e, 19e, 27e, 39d, 46, 119c }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 12e, 19e, 27e, 39d, 46, 119c }}


[[Badness]]: 1.585 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
[[Badness]]: 1.585 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
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Comma list: 91/90, 126/125, 352/351
Comma list: 91/90, 126/125, 352/351


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 -3 2 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 -2 7 4 }}, {{val| 0 0 1 3 -2 -2 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 -3 2 | 0 1 0 -2 7 4 | 0 0 1 3 -2 -2 }}


Vals: {{Val list| 7d, 12e, 19e, 27e, 46 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 12e, 19e, 27e, 46 }}


Badness: 1.588 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
Badness: 1.588 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
== Cuckoo ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
[[Comma list]]: 126/125, 243/242
[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 1 0 -3 2 }}, {{val| 0 2 0 -4 5 }}, {{val| 0 0 1 3 0 }}]
{{Val list|legend=1| 24d, 27e, 31, 58, 89, 154, 185 }}
[[Badness]]: 0.933 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
=== 13-limit  ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 126/125, 196/195, 243/242
Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 0 -3 2 -5 }}, {{val| 0 2 0 -4 5 -10 }}, {{val| 0 0 1 3 0 5 }}]
Vals: {{Val list| 27e, 31, 58, 96d, 154 }}


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