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~~{{Wikipedia|Neutral interval#Second}}~~

'''11/10''', the '''large undecimal neutral second''' or '''undecimal submajor second''', is the simplest submajor second. It is 15 cents sharp of [[12/11]] and 17 cents flat of [[10/9]]. When tuned [[just]] or near-just, it not only has the very exotic melodic role of being almost exactly a third of [[4/3]], leading to [[4000/3993]] being [[Fudging|fudged]], but is also very close in size to a stack consisting of an [[apotome]] and [[33/32]], leading to the [[schisma]] being fudged. Keeping 11/10 distinct from 12/11 ensures that 11/10 bridges [[quartertone]]-based chords with more typical [[5-limit]] and [[Pythagorean tuning|Pythagorean]] chords as a step between notes.

'''11/10''', the '''large undecimal neutral second''' or '''undecimal submajor second''', is ~~an interval favored by Ptolemy. Coincidentally, the interval between the most common tuning frequency (A440) and~~ the second ~~most common AC electrical frequency (50 Hz)~~ is ~~exactly 44~~/~~5, or three octaves above an~~ 11/10. ~~It is approximated extremely precisely by~~ [[~~80edo~~]] ~~and its multiples~~, ~~with~~ a ~~chain~~ of ~~80 11~~/~~10's failing~~ to close ~~at the octave by~~ a ~~mere third~~ of ~~a cent~~, ~~close enough that you could theoretically tune an instrument~~ to ~~80edo by ear using it if you had~~ the ~~patience~~.

11/10 is the [[octave-reduced]] form of [[11/5]], one of the three most [[concordant]] 11-limit intervals within the entire [[4/1|first two octaves]] along with [[11/4]] and [[11/3]].

== Approximation ==

11/10 is approximated extremely precisely by [[80edo]] and its multiples, with a chain of 80 11/10's failing to close at the octave by a mere third of a [[cent]], close enough that you could theoretically tune an instrument to 80edo by ear using it if you had the patience. 11/10 is also approximated within 2 cents by [[22edo]], and is 4c sharp of an octave-reduced stack of 9 generators in [[BPS]].

== Temperaments ==

11/10 is ~~treated as~~ a ~~comma in edos 1~~, 2, 3, ~~5, and some very low accuracy~~ temperaments such as [[~~Very_low_accuracy_temperaments#Antietam|Antietam~~]]. ~~If it~~ is ~~used~~ as a generator ~~instead, it produces~~ [[~~porcupine~~]], ~~although it is slightly sharper than~~ the ~~optimal tuning for porcupine and does not fit~~ the ~~80edo patent val mapping~~.

Using 11/10 as a generator and tempering out 4000/3993 (as previously mentioned) leads to temperaments that look like [[porcupine]] but whose harmonies have higher accuracy. A [[semi-octave]] period is exceptionally natural when 11/10 is a generator, because by virtue of making the extremely accurate approximation of the half-octave by [[99/70]], [[9/7]] is found as the period-complement of the generator. Taking this approach, this gives us temperaments in the [[stearnsmic clan]] such as [[pogo]], [[supers]], or [[echidna]], all of which observe [[100/99]][[~]][[121/120]] and find accurate [[11-limit]] and no-13's [[17-limit]] harmonies. The three temperaments have the same mapping in the 2.3.7.11/5.17 subgroup and only differ on the mapping of 5 and 11. Of these, echidna's mapping of the no-13's 17-limit is the simplest. The complexity of pogo rewards you with increased accuracy, being a weak schismic extension, and supers shows an intermediate path between them.

Using sqrt(11/10) ([[21/20]]~[[22/21]]) as a generator leads to the low-complexity [[nautilus]] with one period to the octave, and if you use two periods to the octave with this generator you get the high-accuracy temperament [[harry]]; using cbrt(11/10) as a generator leads to [[escapade]] with one period to the octave.

== See also ==

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[[Category:Neutral second]]

[[Category:Submajor second]]

[[Category:Over-5]]

[[Category:Over-5 intervals]]

[[Category:Equable heptatonic]]

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-{{Wikipedia|Neutral interval#Second}}
+'''11/10''', the '''large undecimal neutral second''' or '''undecimal submajor second''', is the simplest submajor second. It is 15 cents sharp of [[12/11]] and 17 cents flat of [[10/9]]. When tuned [[just]] or near-just, it not only has the very exotic melodic role of being almost exactly a third of [[4/3]], leading to [[4000/3993]] being [[Fudging|fudged]], but is also very close in size to a stack consisting of an [[apotome]] and [[33/32]], leading to the [[schisma]] being fudged. Keeping 11/10 distinct from 12/11 ensures that 11/10 bridges [[quartertone]]-based chords with more typical [[5-limit]] and [[Pythagorean tuning|Pythagorean]] chords as a step between notes.
-'''11/10''', the '''large undecimal neutral second''' or '''undecimal submajor second''', is an interval favored by Ptolemy. Coincidentally, the interval between the most common tuning frequency (A440) and the second most common AC electrical frequency (50&nbsp;Hz) is exactly 44/5, or three octaves above an 11/10. It is approximated extremely precisely by [[80edo]] and its multiples, with a chain of 80 11/10's failing to close at the octave by a mere third of a cent, close enough that you could theoretically tune an instrument to 80edo by ear using it if you had the patience.
+/10 is the [[octave-reduced]] form of [[11/5]], one of the three most [[concordant]] 11-limit intervals within the entire [[4/1|first two octaves]] along with [[11/4]] and [[11/3]].
+== Approximation ==
+/10 is approximated extremely precisely by [[80edo]] and its multiples, with a chain of 80 11/10's failing to close at the octave by a mere third of a [[cent]], close enough that you could theoretically tune an instrument to 80edo by ear using it if you had the patience. 11/10 is also approximated within 2 cents by [[22edo]], and is 4c sharp of an octave-reduced stack of 9 generators in [[BPS]].
+{{Interval edo approximation|11/10}}
 == Temperaments ==
-/10 is treated as a comma in edos 1, 2, 3, 5, and some very low accuracy temperaments such as [[Very_low_accuracy_temperaments#Antietam|Antietam]]. If it is used as a generator instead, it produces [[porcupine]], although it is slightly sharper than the optimal tuning for porcupine and does not fit the 80edo patent val mapping.
+Using 11/10 as a generator and tempering out 4000/3993 (as previously mentioned) leads to temperaments that look like [[porcupine]] but whose harmonies have higher accuracy. A [[semi-octave]] period is exceptionally natural when 11/10 is a generator, because by virtue of making the extremely accurate approximation of the half-octave by [[99/70]], [[9/7]] is found as the period-complement of the generator. Taking this approach, this gives us temperaments in the [[stearnsmic clan]] such as [[pogo]], [[supers]], or [[echidna]], all of which observe [[100/99]][[~]][[121/120]] and find accurate [[11-limit]] and no-13's [[17-limit]] harmonies. The three temperaments have the same mapping in the 2.3.7.11/5.17 subgroup and only differ on the mapping of 5 and 11. Of these, echidna's mapping of the no-13's 17-limit is the simplest. The complexity of pogo rewards you with increased accuracy, being a weak schismic extension, and supers shows an intermediate path between them.
+Using sqrt(11/10) ([[21/20]]~[[22/21]]) as a generator leads to the low-complexity [[nautilus]] with one period to the octave, and if you use two periods to the octave with this generator you get the high-accuracy temperament [[harry]]; using cbrt(11/10) as a generator leads to [[escapade]] with one period to the octave.
 == See also ==
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 [[Category:Neutral second]]
 [[Category:Submajor second]]
-[[Category:Over-5]]
+[[Category:Over-5 intervals]]
 [[Category:Equable heptatonic]]