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While even advocates of less-common [[edo]]s can struggle to find something about 32edo worth noting, it does provide an excellent tuning for the [[sixix]] temperament, which [[tempering out|tempers out]] the [[5-limit]] sixix comma, [[3125/2916]], using its 9\32 generator of size 337.5 cents. [[Petr Pařízek]]'s preferred generator for sixix is (128/15)<sup>(1/11)</sup>, which is 337.430 cents and which gives equal error to fifths and major thirds, so 32edo does sixix about as well as sixix can be done. It also can be used (with the 9\32 generator) to tune [[mohavila]], an 11-limit temperament which does not temper out sixix. | While even advocates of less-common [[edo]]s can struggle to find something about 32edo worth noting, it does provide an excellent tuning for the [[sixix]] temperament, which [[tempering out|tempers out]] the [[5-limit]] sixix comma, [[3125/2916]], using its 9\32 generator of size 337.5 cents. [[Petr Pařízek]]'s preferred generator for sixix is (128/15)<sup>(1/11)</sup>, which is 337.430 cents and which gives equal error to fifths and major thirds, so 32edo does sixix about as well as sixix can be done. It also can be used (with the 9\32 generator) to tune [[mohavila]], an 11-limit temperament which does not temper out sixix. | ||
It also tempers out [[2048/2025]] in the 5-limit, and [[50/49]] with [[64/63]] in the [[7-limit]], which means it [[support]]s [[pajara]], with a very sharp fifth of 712.5 cents which could be experimented with by those with a penchant for fifths even sharper than the fifth of [[27edo]]; this fifth is in fact very close to the [[minimax tuning]] of the pajara extension [[Diaschismic family#Pajaro|pajaro]], using the 32f val. In the 11-limit it provides the [[optimal patent val]] for the {{nowrap|15 & | It also tempers out [[2048/2025]] in the 5-limit, and [[50/49]] with [[64/63]] in the [[7-limit]], which means it [[support]]s [[pajara]], with a very sharp fifth of 712.5 cents which could be experimented with by those with a penchant for fifths even sharper than the fifth of [[27edo]]; this fifth is in fact very close to the [[minimax tuning]] of the pajara extension [[Diaschismic family #Pajaro|pajaro]], using the 32f val. In the 11-limit it provides the [[optimal patent val]] for the {{nowrap| 15 & 17 }} temperament, tempering out [[55/54]], 64/63, and [[245/242]]. | ||
The sharp fifth of 32edo can be used to generate a very unequal [[archy]] (specifically [[ | The sharp fifth of 32edo can be used to generate a very unequal [[archy]] (specifically [[oceanfront]]) [[5L 2s|diatonic scale]], with a [[diatonic semitone]] of 5 steps and a [[chromatic semitone]] of only 1. The diatonic [[major third]] (which can sound like both a major third and a flat fourth depending on context) is an interseptimal interval of 450¢, approximating [[9/7]] and [[13/10]], and the minor third is 262.5¢, approximating [[7/6]]. Because of the unequalness of the scale, the minor second is reduced to a fifth-tone, but it still strongly resembles "normal" diatonic music, especially for darker [[mode]]s. In addition to the sharp fifth, there is an alternative [[mavila|mavila-like]] flat fifth of 675{{c}} (inherited from [[16edo]]), but it is much more inaccurate and discordant than the sharp fifth. | ||
=== Odd harmonics === | === Odd harmonics === | ||
{{Harmonics in equal|32}} | {{Harmonics in equal|32}} | ||
=== Subsets and supersets === | |||
Since 32 is a power of two and factors as 2<sup>5</sup>, 32edo contains subset edos {{EDOs| 2, 4, 8, and 16 }}. | |||
See also [[32nd-octave temperaments]]. | |||
== Intervals == | == Intervals == | ||
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! Degree | ! Degree | ||
! Cents | ! Cents | ||
! colspan="3" | [[Ups and | ! colspan="3" | [[Ups and downs notation]] | ||
! 13-limit Ratios | ! 13-limit Ratios | ||
! Other | ! Other | ||
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== Notation == | == Notation == | ||
=== | === Stein–Zimmermann–Gould notation === | ||
[[Stein–Zimmermann–Gould notation]] uses sharps and flats with arrows: | |||
{{Sharpness- | {{Sharpness-sharp5-szg}} | ||
If the arrows are taken to have their own layer of enharmonic spellings, then in some cases notes may be best denoted using triple arrows. | |||
{{ | === Kite's ups and downs notation === | ||
32edo can also be notated with [[Kite's ups and downs notation|Kite's ups and downs]], spoken as up, dup, dudsharp, downsharp, sharp, upsharp etc. and down, dud, dupflat etc. Note that dudsharp is equivalent to trup (triple-up) and dupflat is equivalent to trud (triple-down). | |||
{{Ups and downs sharpness}} | |||
=== Sagittal notation === | === Sagittal notation === | ||
This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as [[25edo#Sagittal notation| | This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as [[25edo #Sagittal notation|25edo]], and is a subset of the notation for [[64edo #Second-best fifth notation|64b-edo]]. | ||
==== Evo flavor ==== | ==== Evo flavor ==== | ||
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{{Q-odd-limit intervals|32}} | {{Q-odd-limit intervals|32}} | ||
=== | == Regular temperament properties == | ||
{| class="wikitable center-4 center-5 center-6" | |||
|- | |||
! rowspan="2" | [[Subgroup]] | |||
! rowspan="2" | [[Comma list]] | |||
! rowspan="2" | [[Mapping]] | |||
! rowspan="2" | Optimal<br>8ve stretch (¢) | |||
! colspan="2" | Tuning error | |||
|- | |||
! [[TE error|Absolute]] (¢) | |||
! [[TE simple badness|Relative]] (%) | |||
|- | |||
| 2.3 | |||
| {{Monzo| 51 -32 }} | |||
| {{Mapping| 32 51 }} | |||
| -3.327 | |||
| 3.32 | |||
| 8.87 | |||
|- | |||
| 2.3.7 | |||
| 64/63, 46118408/43046721 | |||
| {{Mapping| 32 51 90 }} | |||
| -2.950 | |||
| 2.76 | |||
| 7.38 | |||
|- style="border-top: double;" | |||
| 2.3.5 | |||
| 648/625, 20480/19683 | |||
| {{Mapping| 32 51 75 }} (32c) | |||
| -5.965 | |||
| 4.61 | |||
| 12.3 | |||
|- | |||
| 2.3.5.7 | |||
| 64/63, 245/243, 392/375 | |||
| {{Mapping| 32 51 75 90 }} (32c) | |||
| -5.027 | |||
| 4.31 | |||
| 11.5 | |||
|- style="border-top: double;" | |||
| 2.3.5 | |||
| 2048/2025, 3125/2916 | |||
| {{Mapping| 32 51 74 }} (32) | |||
| +0.177 | |||
| 4.72 | |||
| 12.6 | |||
|- | |||
| 2.3.5.7 | |||
| 50/49, 64/63, 3125/2916 | |||
| {{Mapping| 32 51 75 90 }} (32) | |||
| -1.008 | |||
| 4.15 | |||
| 11.1 | |||
|} | |||
[[ | === Rank-2 temperaments === | ||
{| class="wikitable center-all left-5" | |||
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Table of rank-2 temperaments by generator | |||
|- | |||
| | ! Periods<br>per 8ve | ||
| | ! Generator* | ||
| | ! Cents* | ||
| | ! Associated<br>ratio* | ||
| | ! Temperaments | ||
| | |- | ||
| | | 1 | ||
| | | 1\32 | ||
| | | 37.5 | ||
| | | 49/48 | ||
} | | [[Slender]] (32) | ||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 9\32 | |||
| 262.5 | |||
| 7/6 | |||
| [[Septimin]] (32f) | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 9\32 | |||
| 337.5 | |||
| 6/5 | |||
| [[Sixix]] (32f) | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 13\32 | |||
| 487.5 | |||
| 4/3 | |||
| [[Superpyth]] (32c, 7-limit) / [[ultrapyth]] (32) / [[quasiultra]] (32) | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 15\32 | |||
| 562.5 | |||
| 7/5 | |||
| [[Progress]] (32cf) | |||
|- | |||
| 2 | |||
| 13\32 | |||
| 487.5 | |||
| 4/3 | |||
| [[Pajara]] (32, 7-limit) | |||
|- | |||
| 8 | |||
| 14\33<br>(1\32) | |||
| 487.5<br>(37.5) | |||
| 4/3<br>(36/35) | |||
| [[Octonion]] (32cf) | |||
|- | |||
| 16 | |||
| 14\33<br>(1\32) | |||
| 487.5<br>(37.5) | |||
| 4/3<br>(45/44) | |||
| [[Sedecic]] (32) | |||
|} | |||
<nowiki/>* [[Normal forms #Equave-reduced-generator form|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[normal forms #Minimal-generator form|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct | |||
== Delta-rational harmony == | == Delta-rational harmony == | ||
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| 0.00026 | | 0.00026 | ||
|} | |} | ||
== Octave stretch or compression == | |||
Whether [[octave stretch]], shrink or neither is advised for 32edo depends on which [[val]]s one wishes to use. | |||
For 32, pure-octaves, or slight compression (~0.5{{c}}), works well. | |||
For 32f, moderate compression (~2{{c}}) works well. This is close to [[zpi|133zpi]] (32.07edo). | |||
For 32c or 32cf, substantial compression (3-4{{c}}) is well suited. | |||
For 32be, substantial ''stretch'' works (~5{{c}}). This is close to [[zpi|132zpi]] (31.86edo). | |||
The graph shows [[zeta]] near 32edo. | |||
[[File:plot32.png|alt=plot32.png|plot32.png]] | |||
== Instruments == | == Instruments == | ||
[[Lumatone mapping for 32edo]] | * [[Lumatone mapping for 32edo]] | ||
== Music == | == Music == | ||
=== Modern renderings === | |||
; {{W|Koji Kondo}} | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OUlNwN-bAsc "Lost Woods" from ''The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time OST''] (1998) – covered by [[Bryan Deister]] (2025) | |||
=== 21st century === | |||
; [[Brody Bigwood]] | ; [[Brody Bigwood]] | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMokW3-0vIs ''Beyond the Grid''] (2024) | * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMokW3-0vIs ''Beyond the Grid''] (2024) | ||
; [[Bryan Deister]] | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nTQfjPjeee8 ''32edo improv''] (2025) | |||
* ''Licorice Hearted'' (2026) | |||
** [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zFgw-AfGEcQ short 1] · [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ocgMIf4xopo short 2] | |||
; [[groundfault]] | |||
* "Winter's Mortal Hope", from ''A New Dusk'' (2024) – [https://groundfco.bandcamp.com/track/winters-mortal-hope-32edo Bandcamp] | [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bnEO8vGvbo&t=1357 YouTube (22:37–26:00)] | |||
; [[Claudi Meneghin]] | ; [[Claudi Meneghin]] | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2G6Fs2HMUs | * ''Canon on Twinkle Twinkle Little Star'' | ||
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2G6Fs2HMUs for organ] (2023) · [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWRGLa59ZwY for baroque oboe & viola] (2024) | |||
; [[Petr Pařízek]] | ; [[Petr Pařízek]] | ||
* [http://micro.soonlabel.com/petr_parizek/3125_2916_temp_q32.ogg ''Sixix''] | * [https://web.archive.org/web/20201127014118/http://micro.soonlabel.com/petr_parizek/3125_2916_temp_q32.ogg ''Sixix''] | ||
; [[Billy Stiltner]] | |||
* [https://billystiltner.bandcamp.com/album/1332 ''1332''] (2019) | |||
; [[Chris Vaisvil]] | ; [[Chris Vaisvil]] | ||
* [http://micro.soonlabel.com/32edo/32-32-32-nothing-less-will-do.mp3 ''32 32 32 Nothing Less Will Do''] | * [https://web.archive.org/web/20201127013223/http://micro.soonlabel.com/32edo/32-32-32-nothing-less-will-do.mp3 ''32 32 32 Nothing Less Will Do''] | ||
; [[Stephen Weigel]] | ; [[Stephen Weigel]] | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00kH3CqSgMY "Zinnia Riplet" | * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00kH3CqSgMY "Zinnia Riplet"], featured in [https://spectropolrecords.bandcamp.com/album/possible-worlds-vol-4 ''Possible Worlds Vol. 4''] (2019) of Spectropol Records | ||
* [https://soundcloud.com/overtoneshock/admins-hot-tub-32-edo ''Admin's Hot Tub''] | * [https://soundcloud.com/overtoneshock/admins-hot-tub-32-edo ''Admin's Hot Tub''] (2019) | ||
[[Category:Listen]] | [[Category:Listen]] | ||
[[Category:Sixix]] | [[Category:Sixix]] | ||
{{ | {{Todo|add scales list}} | ||