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{{Infobox Interval
{{Infobox Interval
| Icon =
| Name = (greater) tridecimal neutral third, octave-reduced 13th subharmonic
| Ratio = 16/13
| Color name = 3u3, thu 3rd
| Monzo = 4 0 0 0 0 -1
| Cents = 359.47234
| Name = neutral tridecimal third
| FJS name = M3<sub>13</sub>
| Sound = jid_16_13_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3
| Sound = jid_16_13_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3
}}
}}


In [[13-limit]] [[just intonation]], '''16/13''' is a tridecimal (13-based) neutral third measuring about 359.5¢. It is the inversion of [[13/8]], the 13th harmonic. It differs from [[81/64]] by [[1053/1024]], about 48¢, from [[5/4]] by [[65/64]], about 27¢, from the undecimal neutral third [[11/9]] by [[144/143]], about 12¢, and from the rastmic neutral third [[27/22]] by [[352/351]], about 4.9¢. A [[List_of_root-3rd-P5_triads_in_JI|root-3rd-P5 triad]] featuring 16/13 is 26:32:39, which introduces another tridecimal neutral third, [[39/32]], which measures about 342.5¢. The interval between these two intervals is [[512/507]], about 17¢. While 16/13 is utonal, 39/32 is otonal, as it is the 39th overtone of the [[harmonic series]].
In [[13-limit]] [[just intonation]], '''16/13''', the '''(greater) tridecimal neutral third''', is a 13-limit-based interval measuring about 359.5¢. It is the inversion of [[13/8]], the [[octave reduction|octave-reduced]] 13th harmonic.  
 
16/13 differs from the Pythagorean major third [[81/64]] by [[1053/1024]], about 48¢, from the classic major third [[5/4]] by [[65/64]], about 27¢, from the undecimal neutral third [[11/9]] by [[144/143]], about 12¢, and from the rastmic neutral third [[27/22]] by [[352/351]], about 4.9¢. A [[List_of_root-3rd-P5_triads_in_JI|root-3rd-P5 triad]] featuring 16/13 is 26:32:39, which introduces another tridecimal neutral third, [[39/32]], which measures about 342.5¢. The interval between these two intervals is [[512/507]], about 17¢. While 16/13 is utonal, 39/32 is otonal, as it is the 39th harmonic of the [[harmonic series]].


16/13 is a fraction of a cent away from the neutral third found in the 10''n'' family of edos.  
16/13 is a fraction of a cent away from the neutral third found in the 10''n'' family of edos.  


16/13 is near the border-region between neutral thirds and submajor thirds, so it has a bright edge to it compared to narrower neutral thirds, while still sounding slightly darker than a major third like [[5/4]].
== Approximation ==
{{Interval edo approximation|16/13}}
== See also ==
== See also ==
* [[13/8]] - its [[octave complement]]
* [[13/8]] its [[octave complement]]
* [[39/32]] - its fifth complement
* [[39/32]] its [[fifth complement]]
* [[Gallery of Just Intervals]]       
* [[Gallery of Just Intervals]]       


[[Category:13-limit]]
[[Category:Third]]
[[Category:Interval]]
[[Category:Just interval]]
[[Category:Neutral third]]
[[Category:Neutral third]]
[[Category:Ratio]]
[[Category:Third]]
[[Category:Tridecimal]]

Latest revision as of 17:11, 30 May 2026

Interval information
Ratio 16/13
Subgroup monzo 2.13 [4 -1
Size in cents 359.4723¢
Names (greater) tridecimal neutral third,
octave-reduced 13th subharmonic
Color name 3u3, thu 3rd
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{M3}_{13} }[/math]
Special properties reduced,
reduced subharmonic
Tenney norm (log2 nd) 7.70044
Weil norm (log2 max(n, d)) 8
Wilson norm (sopfr(nd)) 21

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In 13-limit just intonation, 16/13, the (greater) tridecimal neutral third, is a 13-limit-based interval measuring about 359.5¢. It is the inversion of 13/8, the octave-reduced 13th harmonic.

16/13 differs from the Pythagorean major third 81/64 by 1053/1024, about 48¢, from the classic major third 5/4 by 65/64, about 27¢, from the undecimal neutral third 11/9 by 144/143, about 12¢, and from the rastmic neutral third 27/22 by 352/351, about 4.9¢. A root-3rd-P5 triad featuring 16/13 is 26:32:39, which introduces another tridecimal neutral third, 39/32, which measures about 342.5¢. The interval between these two intervals is 512/507, about 17¢. While 16/13 is utonal, 39/32 is otonal, as it is the 39th harmonic of the harmonic series.

16/13 is a fraction of a cent away from the neutral third found in the 10n family of edos.

16/13 is near the border-region between neutral thirds and submajor thirds, so it has a bright edge to it compared to narrower neutral thirds, while still sounding slightly darker than a major third like 5/4.

Approximation

Edo approximations for 16/13 (359.47 ¢)
≤ 80edo, relative error ≤ 10%
Edo Step size Cents (¢) Absolute error (¢) Relative error (%)
7 2\7 342.86 -16.62 -9.69
10 3\10 360.00 +0.53 +0.44
17 5\17 352.94 -6.53 -9.25
20 6\20 360.00 +0.53 +0.88
27 8\27 355.56 -3.92 -8.81
30 9\30 360.00 +0.53 +1.32
37 11\37 356.76 -2.72 -8.37
40 12\40 360.00 +0.53 +1.76
47 14\47 357.45 -2.03 -7.93
50 15\50 360.00 +0.53 +2.20
57 17\57 357.89 -1.58 -7.49
60 18\60 360.00 +0.53 +2.64
67 20\67 358.21 -1.26 -7.05
70 21\70 360.00 +0.53 +3.08
77 23\77 358.44 -1.03 -6.61
80 24\80 360.00 +0.53 +3.52

See also