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::::::::::::::::::::::: Ok fair enough. Is there a 9-note Harmonic scale from more classic-style music you're referring to? I am unfamiliar with this. --[[User:Lhearne|Lhearne]] ([[User talk:Lhearne|talk]]) 03:04, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::::: Ok fair enough. Is there a 9-note Harmonic scale from more classic-style music you're referring to? I am unfamiliar with this. --[[User:Lhearne|Lhearne]] ([[User talk:Lhearne|talk]]) 03:04, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::::::: It is not so much that this scale itself comes from more classical-style music so much as it demonstrates similar properties in regards to its intervals- e.g. large gaps between one or more steps of the heptatonic scale.  The two thirds and the two sixths in the Alpharabian Harmonic Scale are simply steps that can act as such in the heptatonic scale.  One can also think of the interchangeability between the two sixths and the interchangeability between the two thirds as being akin to melodic minor having different steps for the same scale degree. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 03:28, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


: In other news, I have called [[45/44]] 'O' after Ocean Stegasaurus Tardigrade's cake story associated with the comma, given that 'c' is already taken. Using this, and R, I have given 94edo well-ordered names:
: In other news, I have called [[45/44]] 'O' after Ocean Stegasaurus Tardigrade's cake story associated with the comma, given that 'c' is already taken. Using this, and R, I have given 94edo well-ordered names:
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:::: On another note, now that you have explained things a bit more, I do agree that we need to be able to notate 7/4 as both a subminor seventh and as a sort of sixth, as that reflects the functional realities concerning that interval.  I do not intend to do away with super and sub, though I do think we need to come up with a more consistent strategy for reflecting the functional realities.  To that end, I propose that we restrict the arithmetic ambiguities to primes that are more readily characterized by equivalent functional ambiguities, such as the 7-prime.  For instance, the pentacircle comma allows us to access the functionality of 7/4 as a third relative to 11/8, and thus, as a sixth, while the Archytas' Subchroma allows us access to 7/4 when it acts as a subminor seventh- yes, I'm calling 64/63 "Archytas' Subchroma" for the moment because it often does have a sort of chromatic function when not treated as a comma.  I hope this idea makes more sense. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 00:03, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
:::: On another note, now that you have explained things a bit more, I do agree that we need to be able to notate 7/4 as both a subminor seventh and as a sort of sixth, as that reflects the functional realities concerning that interval.  I do not intend to do away with super and sub, though I do think we need to come up with a more consistent strategy for reflecting the functional realities.  To that end, I propose that we restrict the arithmetic ambiguities to primes that are more readily characterized by equivalent functional ambiguities, such as the 7-prime.  For instance, the pentacircle comma allows us to access the functionality of 7/4 as a third relative to 11/8, and thus, as a sixth, while the Archytas' Subchroma allows us access to 7/4 when it acts as a subminor seventh- yes, I'm calling 64/63 "Archytas' Subchroma" for the moment because it often does have a sort of chromatic function when not treated as a comma.  I hope this idea makes more sense. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 00:03, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


::::: Ah, yes. I should fill you in. 'Bright' and 'baby' have been ditched, replaced with 'Hyper' and'hypo'. For Oceanic intervals I'm going with 'Obtuse' and 'opaque' for now, although 'Over' and 'off' is still an option, and I'm considering after a suggestion to replace 'Up' with 'Uber', so I have 'Uber' and 'under', though we could make them both German and go with 'Uber' and 'unter', which I kind of like actually. Yes I can follow that idea. I would argue 13 is also such a prime. I already have the same sort of ambiguities with 'Hyper' and 'hypo', wherein 13/10 is treated as an Hypermajor third, but 13/8 a type of minor sixth, and 5/4 a type of major third, and 13/10 a type of diminished fourth. 13/10 sounds as something between a major third and a fourth and in some edos (eg. 27edo and 37edo), the diatonic major third is 13/10 (as well as 9/7 in those cases). Perhaps that's where to leave it, but I think these sorts of ambiguities will always occur, and I want an scheme that allows both possibilities in all cases. --[[User:Lhearne|Lhearne]] ([[User talk:Lhearne|talk]]) 02:17, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
::::: Ah, yes. I should fill you in. 'Bright' and 'baby' have been ditched, replaced with 'Hyper' and 'hypo'. 'Tall' and 'tiny' have been added for Tridecimal intervals after a helpful suggestion. For Oceanic intervals I'm going with 'Obtuse' and 'opaque' for now, although 'Over' and 'off' is still an option, and I'm considering after a suggestion to replace 'Up' with 'Über', so I have 'Über' and 'under', though we could make them both German and go with 'Über' and 'unter', which I kind of like actually. Yes I can follow that idea. I would argue 13 is also such a prime. I already have the same sort of ambiguities with 'Hyper' and 'hypo', wherein 13/10 is treated as an Hypermajor third, but 13/8 a type of minor sixth, and 5/4 a type of major third, and so 13/10 a type of diminished fourth. 13/10 sounds as something between a major third and a fourth and in some edos (eg. 27edo and 37edo), the diatonic major third is 13/10 (as well as 9/7 in those cases). Perhaps that's where to leave it, but I think these sorts of ambiguities will always occur, and I want an scheme that allows both possibilities in all cases. --[[User:Lhearne|Lhearne]] ([[User talk:Lhearne|talk]]) 02:17, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 
:::::: Good to know.  While I'm aware that these weird ambiguities will always occur, I'm currently under the impression that these issues are not as bad in the realm of the 2.3.11 subgroup in part because the discrepancies tend to occur mainly with augmented and diminished intervals and in cases where intervals akin to the Pythagorean comma are involved- these intervals tending to function more as differences between enharmonics than anything.  Is that a fair assessment? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 03:22, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


== Notation and Well-Ordered Naming Systems ==
== Notation and Well-Ordered Naming Systems ==
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:: Oh, and yes, I do indeed believe that it is possible to generalize this notation system to a number of other EDOs, but the trick to this lies within the series of rastmic/syntonic accidentals. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 00:08, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
:: Oh, and yes, I do indeed believe that it is possible to generalize this notation system to a number of other EDOs, but the trick to this lies within the series of rastmic/syntonic accidentals. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 00:08, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
:: Oh!  I was just looking, and it turns out that 416/405 and 1053/1024 are types of quartertone...  Given this, and given how the 2.3.11 subgroup provides more of a clean structure for dealing with quartertones, I'm thinking we should instead use commas to derive intervals like this from 2.3.11 quartertones for good measure, especially judging from your observation that the 13-prime is about as bad as the 7-prime when it comes to functional ambiguity. Perhaps we should even give the 7-prime the same treatment, even though it should go without saying that 7/4 can still be considered a subminor seventh.  Just something to think about. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 20:39, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
:: I'm curious as to how we should convey the modification of Augmented and Diminished intervals by 33/32.  I also haven't heard from you in a while, and since you didn't respond to what I said last, I'm wondering what your thoughts have been on these matters. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 13:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
::: Hi Aura. I'm sorry I've been silent. I've been working on my other projects. I have many going on at once and sort of cycle through giving 3 or so more focus for a month or so, while others fall away. I'm not sure when I'll get back to this, but it hasn't fallen from my mind. --[[User:Lhearne|Lhearne]] ([[User talk:Lhearne|talk]]) 15:29, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
:::: Ah, that makes sense.  You never can tell what's going on on the other end of the line. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 16:11, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
I do have an update to share concerning the quartertone accidentals for this particular system that I shared with you.  I redid some of the accidentals, and I've made a better resolution image.
[[File:Possible Quartertone Accidentals 2.png]]
I hope you don't mind. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 18:40, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
== SKULO Notation and Interval Names ==
Considering that SKULO Notation and Interval Names is the successor to SHEFKHED, I think there should be an article on it so we can look at it, just like there is for SHEFKHED. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 18:40, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
: Hey I'm sorry I missed this. Yeah I need to write up a page on SKULO for sure. On my to-do list! --[[User:Lhearne|Lhearne]] ([[User talk:Lhearne|talk]]) 09:05, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
== delete page ==
After seeing that you added the same scale once more, should [[((2/1, 5/4)-3, 16/15: 225/224)-9]] be deleted now? (BTW: Naming mistakes like this are normally fixed by moving a page) --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:43, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
: Ahh thanks I see what happened now. I hadn't realised the page was named wrong and thought I must have neglected to create it. Yes, I would like for [[((2/1, 5/4)-3, 16/15: 225/224)-9]] to be deleted if it's not too much effort. Thanks for watching over! --[[User:Lhearne|Lhearne]] ([[User talk:Lhearne|talk]]) 16:48, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
: Done. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:57, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
:: Thanks so much! And thank you for notifying me of how naming mistakes are normally fixed. I'll make sure to do that in the future --[[User:Lhearne|Lhearne]] ([[User talk:Lhearne|talk]]) 06:58, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
== Old "user page" ==
Hi Lhearne! I just stumbled upon the page [[Gareth.hearne]], which I suppose you created unintentionally back in 2018. Would you agree if I nominated it for deletion? (You can also do it yourself if you want, just add <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki> in the page's body.) [[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 23:01, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
: Hi! So to explain, my old user page was created fully intentionally. I worked in this community as Gareth Hearne for a decade before I changed my name to Lillian. Thank you for explaining how to delete the page. I imagine I will do so at some point, after I'm confident that my work is known under the name 'Lillian' and not still under the name 'Gareth'. Perhaps I'll do it soon. I'll think about it.
: Thanks --[[User:Lhearne|Lhearne]] ([[User talk:Lhearne|talk]]) 05:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
:: Just to be clear, I was specifically talking about the page that is not in the User: namespace. I consider [[Gareth.hearne]] and [[User:Gareth.hearne]] to be duplicate pages, but it would seem perfectly fine to me to keep one of these two along with your current user page.
:: Also, if you prefer to keep only your current user page, [[User:Gareth.hearne]] would likely be set up as a redirect page to your current user page. Maybe you knew that already, but I think that might help you decide what you want to do with your previous user page. It's all up to you, anyway, and you can do that whenever you want, so no hurry. ;) [[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 06:42, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
::: oh haha, yeah will delete that. Thanks for the heads up! Sorry I missed that and this reply... --[[User:Lhearne|Lhearne]] ([[User talk:Lhearne|talk]]) 14:16, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:::: Hi again! I just stumbled upon the page [[Gareth Hearne]], created by Xenwolf almost 6 years ago and never edited since. Should we move that to [[Lillian Hearne]]?
:::: On a related note, I'm working on a page about the [[Now&Xen]] podcast with, among other things, the list of guests in each episode. When you were invited on episodes 19 and 22, you were still going by Gareth and are credited as such on the podcast's website. Should I list you as Gareth, Lillian or both? I feel like writing Gareth makes more sense, since that's the name you used in the podcast episodes, and the links would automatically redirect to [[Lillian Hearne]] anyway (if we go forward with the move), but I'd like to know your view on this before proceeding. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 03:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
::::: Hi, thanks for checking. In light of the podcast reference, I think we can move the page to [[Lillian Hearne]]. I'll edit it after to update it to link to my current soundcloud. I'm still not sure whether I should be listed as Gareth or Lillian on the page [[Now&Xen]]. Since I'm not sure, you can go with Gareth for now, and I'll edit later if I decide I'd prefer to be listed there as Lillian, or I'll ask, if you'd prefer. Thanks. --[[User:Lhearne|Lhearne]] ([[User talk:Lhearne|talk]]) 05:20, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
== Known languages ==
Hi again! I was looking at [[Xenharmonic_Wiki:What_languages_do_various_users_know?]] and found you in the list. Since that page was deprecated, you might want to add the appropriate user language categories to your user page instead. For example, if you're a native English speaker, add <nowiki>[[Category:User en-N]]</nowiki>. For more information, see [https://en.xen.wiki/w/Category:Users_by_language] or just ask me! [[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 00:11, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
: Ok thanks, done! --[[User:Lhearne|Lhearne]] ([[User talk:Lhearne|talk]]) 05:30, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
== Linking pages ==
Hi Lhearne, there are a couple of pages you created that have no inbound links, for example, [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Marvel dipentatonic|Marvel dipentatonic]], [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Prodigy dipentatonic|Prodigy dipentatonic]], [[Special:WhatLinksHere/The Porcutone System|The Porcutone System]]. It would be nice if you could take a look when you get a chance! Thanks. Best regards --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 17:44, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
== 15edo subpage ==
Hi Lillian! I noticed that you have a custom version of the [[15edo]] page in your user space (at [[User:Lhearne/15edo]]) on which you worked a few years ago. Are there specific parts that you wanted to keep separate from the main page, and do you believe it should stay separate like that? I think it's harder to see the differences when they're all mixed in with the rest of the otherwise normal (and probably outdated now) page. There isn't any rush to change anything, but I thought I'd let you know in case we can make the pages both cleaner and more informative. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 03:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)