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== Edo approximation ==
== Edo approximation ==
[[Edo]]s which do relatively well at approximating 3-limit intervals can be found as the denominators of the convergents and semiconvergents of the [[wikipedia: Continued fraction|continued fraction]] for the logarithm base 2 of 3. These are {{EDOs| 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 17, 29, 41, 53, 94, 147, 200, 253, 306, 359, 665, … }} ({{OEIS|A206788}})
[[Edo]]s which do relatively well at approximating 3-limit intervals can be found as the denominators of the convergents and semiconvergents of the {{w|continued fraction}} for the logarithm base 2 of 3. The sequence is equivalent to the numbers of notes per octave in the [[mos scale]]s generated by pure 3/2: {{EDOs| 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 17, 29, 41, 53, 94, 147, 200, 253, 306, 359, 665, … }} ({{OEIS|A206788}}).


Another approach is to find edos which have more accurate approximation to 3 than all smaller edos. This results in {{EDOs|1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 29, 41, 53, 200, 253, 306, 359, 665, 8286, 8951, 9616, 10281, 10946, 11611, 12276, 12941, 13606, 14271, 14936, 15601, 31867 }}, … ({{OEIS|A060528}})
Another approach is to find edos which have more accurate approximation to 3 than all smaller edos. This results in {{EDOs| '''1''', '''2''', 3, '''5''', 7, '''12''', 29, '''41''', '''53''', 200, 253, '''306''', 359, '''665''', … }} ({{OEIS|A060528}}). Bold ones are records of relative error. For a more comprehensive list, see [[Sequence of equal temperaments by error]].


A stricter approach is to find edos with an increasingly stronger [[consistent circle]] of 3/2. These are {{EDOs|1, 12, 53, 665, 190537, … }} (with strengths 1, 2, 3, 11, 28, … respectively)
A stricter approach is to find edos with an increasingly stronger [[consistent circle]] of 3/2. These are {{EDOs| 1, 12, 53, 665, 190537, … }} (with strengths 1, 2, 3, 11, 28, … respectively)


== Table of intervals ==
== Table of intervals ==
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== Music ==
== Music ==
; [[John Doe]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF7lTvOQ9r8 ''Building (A New Sun)''] (2017)
; [[E8 Heterotic]]
; [[E8 Heterotic]]
* [https://youtu.be/NPoyCQ7aYY8?si=bnAq4FJ7f8s3AagZ "Elements - Metal"] from ''Elements'' (2019–2020)
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPoyCQ7aYY8 "Metal"] from [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbe8k6ZUb2FiSx8Jal1N0XjzWJM_cjgsp ''Elements''] (2019–2020)
 
; [[ELSM123456]]
* ''[https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1sSpW6iEGK Huan Xiang Wei Gong]'' (2026)
* [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1pmpJ6HEwc ''Huan Xiang Wei Gong'' (Traditional Chinese)] (2026)
 
; [[Zhea Erose]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISHYKXPaL5o ''Circles of Indigo - Dreamsura''] (2023)


; [[Francium]]
; [[Francium]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzFK7uzAR1g ''Pythagorean Metal''] (2023)
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzFK7uzAR1g ''Pythagorean Metal''] (2023)
; [[John Doe]]
* [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GF7lTvOQ9r8 ''Building (A New Sun)''] (2017)


; [[Charles Ives]]
; [[Charles Ives]]
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; [[Bill Wesley]]
; [[Bill Wesley]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L-jKEmSTh0 ''Familly Across the Border''] (2023, performed on [[mbira]] tuned to 30-note extended Pythagorean)
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L-jKEmSTh0 ''Familly Across the Border''] (2023, performed on [[mbira]] tuned to 30-note extended Pythagorean)
; [[Zhea Erose]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISHYKXPaL5o ''Circles of Indigo - Dreamsura''] (2023)


== See also ==
== See also ==

Latest revision as of 08:35, 28 October 2026

English Wikipedia has an article on:

The 3-limit consists of all just intonation intervals whose numerators and denominators are both products of the primes 2 and 3. Some examples of 3-limit intervals are 3/2, 4/3, 9/8. All 3-limit intervals can be written as [math]\displaystyle{ 2^a \cdot 3^b }[/math], where a and b can be any (positive, negative or zero) integer. When octave-reduced, if b is non-zero, a and b are opposite signs. In other words, one number in the ratio is a power of 2 and the other number is a power of 3. Confining intervals to the 3-limit is known as Pythagorean tuning, and the Pythagorean tuning used in Europe during the Middle Ages is the seed out of which grew the common-practice tradition of Western music, as well as genres derived from it. The 3-limit can be considered a rank-2 temperament which tempers out no commas.

Terminology

A 3-limit interval is also known as a Pythagorean interval. Recently, composers Catherine Lamb and Marc Sabat have adopted tertial for intervals of HC3[citation needed], not to be confused with tertian which is the adjective associated with the third diatonic degree.

Edo approximation

Edos which do relatively well at approximating 3-limit intervals can be found as the denominators of the convergents and semiconvergents of the continued fraction for the logarithm base 2 of 3. The sequence is equivalent to the numbers of notes per octave in the mos scales generated by pure 3/2: 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 17, 29, 41, 53, 94, 147, 200, 253, 306, 359, 665, … (OEIS: A206788).

Another approach is to find edos which have more accurate approximation to 3 than all smaller edos. This results in 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 29, 41, 53, 200, 253, 306, 359, 665, … (OEIS: A060528). Bold ones are records of relative error. For a more comprehensive list, see Sequence of equal temperaments by error.

A stricter approach is to find edos with an increasingly stronger consistent circle of 3/2. These are 1, 12, 53, 665, 190537, … (with strengths 1, 2, 3, 11, 28, … respectively)

Table of intervals

3-limit intervals up to odd-limit 19683:

Ratio Monzo Size (¢) Color Name Diatonic Category
1/1 [0⟩ 0.000 w1 wa unison P1 C
2187/2048 [-11 7⟩ 113.685 Lw1 lawa 1sn A1 C#
256/243 [8 -5⟩ 90.225 sw2 sawa 2nd m2 Db
9/8 [-3 2⟩ 203.910 w2 wa 2nd M2 D
19683/16384 [-14 9⟩ 317.595 Lw2 lawa 2nd A2 D#
32/27 [5 -3⟩ 294.135 w3 wa 3rd m3 Eb
81/64 [-6 4⟩ 407.820 Lw3 lawa 3rd M3 E
8192/6561 [13 -8⟩ 384.360 sw4 sawa 4th d4 Fb
4/3 [2 -1⟩ 498.045 w4 wa 4th P4 F
729/512 [-9 6⟩ 611.730 Lw4 lawa 4th A4 F#
1024/729 [10 -6⟩ 588.270 sw5 sawa 5th d5 Gb
3/2 [-1 1⟩ 701.955 w5 wa 5th P5 G
6561/4096 [-12 8⟩ 815.640 Lw5 lawa 5th A5 G#
128/81 [7 -4⟩ 792.180 sw6 sawa 6th m6 Ab
27/16 [-4 3⟩ 905.865 w6 wa 6th M6 A
32768/19683 [15 -9⟩ 882.405 sw7 sawa 7th d7 Bbb
16/9 [4 -2⟩ 996.090 w7 wa 7th m7 Bb
243/128 [-7 5⟩ 1109.775 Lw7 lawa 7th M7 B
4096/2187 [12 -7⟩ 1086.315 sw8 sawa 8ve d8 Cb
2/1 [1⟩ 1200.000 w8 wa 8ve P8 C

Music

John Doe
E8 Heterotic
ELSM123456
Zhea Erose
Francium
Charles Ives
Peter 'Rush' Kosmorsky
Bill Wesley

See also