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== Edo approximation == | == Edo approximation == | ||
[[Edo]]s which do relatively well at approximating 3-limit intervals can be found as the denominators of the convergents and semiconvergents of the | [[Edo]]s which do relatively well at approximating 3-limit intervals can be found as the denominators of the convergents and semiconvergents of the {{w|continued fraction}} for the logarithm base 2 of 3. The sequence is equivalent to the numbers of notes per octave in the [[mos scale]]s generated by pure 3/2: {{EDOs| 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 17, 29, 41, 53, 94, 147, 200, 253, 306, 359, 665, … }} ({{OEIS|A206788}}). | ||
Another approach is to find edos which have more accurate approximation to 3 than all smaller edos. This results in {{EDOs|1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 29, 41, 53, 200, 253, 306, 359, 665, | Another approach is to find edos which have more accurate approximation to 3 than all smaller edos. This results in {{EDOs| '''1''', '''2''', 3, '''5''', 7, '''12''', 29, '''41''', '''53''', 200, 253, '''306''', 359, '''665''', … }} ({{OEIS|A060528}}). Bold ones are records of relative error. For a more comprehensive list, see [[Sequence of equal temperaments by error]]. | ||
A stricter approach is to find edos with an increasingly stronger [[consistent circle]] of 3/2. These are {{EDOs|1, 12, 53, 665, 190537, … }} (with strengths 1, 2, 3, 11, 28, … respectively) | A stricter approach is to find edos with an increasingly stronger [[consistent circle]] of 3/2. These are {{EDOs| 1, 12, 53, 665, 190537, … }} (with strengths 1, 2, 3, 11, 28, … respectively) | ||
== Table of intervals == | == Table of intervals == | ||
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== Music == | == Music == | ||
; [[John Doe]] | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF7lTvOQ9r8 ''Building (A New Sun)''] (2017) | |||
; [[E8 Heterotic]] | ; [[E8 Heterotic]] | ||
* [https:// | * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPoyCQ7aYY8 "Metal"] from [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbe8k6ZUb2FiSx8Jal1N0XjzWJM_cjgsp ''Elements''] (2019–2020) | ||
; [[ELSM123456]] | |||
* ''[https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1sSpW6iEGK Huan Xiang Wei Gong]'' (2026) | |||
* [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1pmpJ6HEwc ''Huan Xiang Wei Gong'' (Traditional Chinese)] (2026) | |||
; [[Zhea Erose]] | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISHYKXPaL5o ''Circles of Indigo - Dreamsura''] (2023) | |||
; [[Francium]] | ; [[Francium]] | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzFK7uzAR1g ''Pythagorean Metal''] (2023) | * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzFK7uzAR1g ''Pythagorean Metal''] (2023) | ||
; [[Charles Ives]] | ; [[Charles Ives]] | ||
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; [[Bill Wesley]] | ; [[Bill Wesley]] | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L-jKEmSTh0 ''Familly Across the Border''] (2023, performed on [[mbira]] tuned to 30-note extended Pythagorean) | * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L-jKEmSTh0 ''Familly Across the Border''] (2023, performed on [[mbira]] tuned to 30-note extended Pythagorean) | ||
== See also == | == See also == | ||
Latest revision as of 08:35, 28 October 2026
The 3-limit consists of all just intonation intervals whose numerators and denominators are both products of the primes 2 and 3. Some examples of 3-limit intervals are 3/2, 4/3, 9/8. All 3-limit intervals can be written as [math]\displaystyle{ 2^a \cdot 3^b }[/math], where a and b can be any (positive, negative or zero) integer. When octave-reduced, if b is non-zero, a and b are opposite signs. In other words, one number in the ratio is a power of 2 and the other number is a power of 3. Confining intervals to the 3-limit is known as Pythagorean tuning, and the Pythagorean tuning used in Europe during the Middle Ages is the seed out of which grew the common-practice tradition of Western music, as well as genres derived from it. The 3-limit can be considered a rank-2 temperament which tempers out no commas.
Terminology
A 3-limit interval is also known as a Pythagorean interval. Recently, composers Catherine Lamb and Marc Sabat have adopted tertial for intervals of HC3[citation needed], not to be confused with tertian which is the adjective associated with the third diatonic degree.
Edo approximation
Edos which do relatively well at approximating 3-limit intervals can be found as the denominators of the convergents and semiconvergents of the continued fraction for the logarithm base 2 of 3. The sequence is equivalent to the numbers of notes per octave in the mos scales generated by pure 3/2: 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 17, 29, 41, 53, 94, 147, 200, 253, 306, 359, 665, … (OEIS: A206788).
Another approach is to find edos which have more accurate approximation to 3 than all smaller edos. This results in 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 29, 41, 53, 200, 253, 306, 359, 665, … (OEIS: A060528). Bold ones are records of relative error. For a more comprehensive list, see Sequence of equal temperaments by error.
A stricter approach is to find edos with an increasingly stronger consistent circle of 3/2. These are 1, 12, 53, 665, 190537, … (with strengths 1, 2, 3, 11, 28, … respectively)
Table of intervals
3-limit intervals up to odd-limit 19683:
| Ratio | Monzo | Size (¢) | Color Name | Diatonic Category | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1/1 | [0⟩ | 0.000 | w1 | wa unison | P1 | C |
| 2187/2048 | [-11 7⟩ | 113.685 | Lw1 | lawa 1sn | A1 | C# |
| 256/243 | [8 -5⟩ | 90.225 | sw2 | sawa 2nd | m2 | Db |
| 9/8 | [-3 2⟩ | 203.910 | w2 | wa 2nd | M2 | D |
| 19683/16384 | [-14 9⟩ | 317.595 | Lw2 | lawa 2nd | A2 | D# |
| 32/27 | [5 -3⟩ | 294.135 | w3 | wa 3rd | m3 | Eb |
| 81/64 | [-6 4⟩ | 407.820 | Lw3 | lawa 3rd | M3 | E |
| 8192/6561 | [13 -8⟩ | 384.360 | sw4 | sawa 4th | d4 | Fb |
| 4/3 | [2 -1⟩ | 498.045 | w4 | wa 4th | P4 | F |
| 729/512 | [-9 6⟩ | 611.730 | Lw4 | lawa 4th | A4 | F# |
| 1024/729 | [10 -6⟩ | 588.270 | sw5 | sawa 5th | d5 | Gb |
| 3/2 | [-1 1⟩ | 701.955 | w5 | wa 5th | P5 | G |
| 6561/4096 | [-12 8⟩ | 815.640 | Lw5 | lawa 5th | A5 | G# |
| 128/81 | [7 -4⟩ | 792.180 | sw6 | sawa 6th | m6 | Ab |
| 27/16 | [-4 3⟩ | 905.865 | w6 | wa 6th | M6 | A |
| 32768/19683 | [15 -9⟩ | 882.405 | sw7 | sawa 7th | d7 | Bbb |
| 16/9 | [4 -2⟩ | 996.090 | w7 | wa 7th | m7 | Bb |
| 243/128 | [-7 5⟩ | 1109.775 | Lw7 | lawa 7th | M7 | B |
| 4096/2187 | [12 -7⟩ | 1086.315 | sw8 | sawa 8ve | d8 | Cb |
| 2/1 | [1⟩ | 1200.000 | w8 | wa 8ve | P8 | C |
Music
- Building (A New Sun) (2017)
- Huan Xiang Wei Gong (2026)
- Huan Xiang Wei Gong (Traditional Chinese) (2026)
- Pythagorean Metal (2023)
- Johnny Reinhard's 2023 book, The Transcendental Tuning of Charles Ives, lays the foundation for AFMM's realizations of some of Ives' works, employing chains of up to 29 perfect fifths.
- String Quartet #2, The Unanswered Question, Three-Page Sonata, Universe Symphony
- Concord Sonata
- The Unanswered Question
- Universe Symphony
- String Trio no. 2 (2013) – SoundCloud | play – in Pythagorean[17]
- Familly Across the Border (2023, performed on mbira tuned to 30-note extended Pythagorean)
