Schisma

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The schisma, 32805/32768, is the difference between the Pythagorean comma and the syntonic comma. It is equal to (9/8)4/(8/5) and to (135/128)/(256/243) and also to (9/8)3/(64/45).

Interval information
Ratio 32805/32768
Factorization 2-15 × 38 × 5
Monzo [-15 8 1
Size in cents 1.953721¢
Name schisma
Color name LyM, layoma
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{d}{-2}^{5} }[/math]
Special properties reduced,
reduced harmonic
Tenney norm (log2 nd) 30.0016
Weil norm (log2 max(n, d)) 30.0033
Wilson norm (sopfr(nd)) 59
Comma size unnoticeable
Open this interval in xen-calc
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Other intervals

Commas arising from the difference between a stack of Pythagorean intervals and other primes may also be called schismas. The difference between the Pythagorean comma and septimal comma is called the septimal schisma. Other examples are undevicesimal schisma, Alpharabian schisma and tridecaschisma.

Temperaments

Tempering out this comma gives a 5-limit microtemperament called schismatic, schismic or helmholtz, which if extended to larger subgroups leads to the schismatic family of temperaments.

Nestoria

Nestoria tempers out 361/360 (S19) and 513/512 (S15/S20), and can be described as the 12 & 53 temperament in the 2.3.5.19 subgroup. This is derived since the schisma is expressible as S19/(S16/S18)2 and (S15/S20)/(S16/S18).

Garibaldi

Garibaldi tempers out 225/224 (S15) and 5120/5103 (S8/S9), and can be described as the 41 & 53 temperament in the 7-limit. This is derived since the schisma is also equal to S15/(S8/S9).

2.3.5.7.19 subgroup

Adding nestoria to garibaldi (tempering 400/399 (S20)) results in an extremely elegant temperament which has all of the same patent tunings that garibaldi has but which includes a mapping for 19 through nestoria.

2.3.5.7.17 12 & 118 & 171 (unnamed)

As the schisma also equals S15/S16 * S18/S20, we can derive the extremely accurate 12 & 118 & 171 temperament:

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.17

Comma list: 1701/1700, 32805/32768

Mapping[1 0 15 0 -32], 0 1 -8 0 21], 0 0 0 1 1]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~7

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 701.7197, ~7/4 = 968.8307

Optimal ET sequence12, 29, 41, 53, 106d, 118, 171, 472, 525, 643, 814, 985, 1799, 2324, 2495, 3138b, 3309bd, 4294bdg

2.3.5.7.17.19 12 & 118 & 171 (unnamed)

By tempering S16/S18 we equate S15 with S20 (tempering the other comma of Nestoria) because of S15~S16~S18~S20, leading to:

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.17.19

Comma list: 361/360, 513/512, 1701/1700

Mapping[1 0 15 0 -32 9], 0 1 -8 0 21 -3], 0 0 0 1 1 0]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~7

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 701.7053, ~7/4 = 968.9281

Optimal ET sequence12, 29, 41, 53, 106d, 118, 171, 289h, 460hh

2.3.5.41 53 & 65 (unnamed)

The schisma can additionally split into two superparticular commas in the 41-limit: 32805/32768 = (1025/1024)*(6561/6560). Tempering both of these out provides a natural mapping for prime 41, if a little less practical than those for 19 or 7.

History and etymology

Schisma is a borrowing of Ancient Greek, meaning "split". The term was first used by Boethius (6th century), in his De institutione musica, using it to refer to half of the Pythagorean comma. The modern sense was introduced by Helmholtz' On the Sensations of Tone, in particular the translation by Alexander Ellis, where it is spelled skhisma. Since it is extremely close to the superparticular ratio 887/886 (2-1⋅443-1⋅887), it is used interchangably with this interval in some of Helmholtz' writing.

Trivia

The schisma explains how the greatly composite numbers 1048576 (220) and 104976 (184) look alike in decimal. The largest common power of two between these numbers is 25, (when 1049760 is written to equalize) and when reduced by that, 1049760/1048576 becomes 32805/32768.

It is also very close in size—about 0.0013 ¢ off—from the difference between 3/2 and 7\12, which is about 1.9550009 ¢. Tempering out this difference instead results in atomic, an extremely high accuracy temperament.

See also